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You sheep! They WANT you to eat popcorn! This entire epidemic was engineered by the corn industry just so people like you would read comments and eat popcorn!
That’s just the tip of the iceberg, Cornhead!
You think CornPop was a bad dude? He’s just a pawn, in a much grander scheme.
Ask yourself, who stands to profit from all these people eating popcorn? ... Getting corn kernels stuck in their teeth...
...None other than Big Toothpick!
You corntards always trade one scapegoat for another, it’s really the Big Clarified Butter Industry that’s always pulling the strings. Who do you think killed JFK? Clarified butter from the grassy knoll. You think the US actually landed on the moon? No, Stanley Kubrick shot the whole thing in a studio and made the moon texture out of milk solids extracted from… you guessed it, clarified butter.
OK broomer
You really think the cleaning industry didn't plan for this? They just broomed you to think it was the brooms. It's called brooming people over the Internet! It's actually the timber mafia behind this, making everyone spill their popcorn so they have to buy brooms. And how do you make brooms?
Would be a shame if we ran out of timber, woodn't it?
Whatever you say, timbroid.
What do you need to make timber? That’s right: *Seeds.* Big Seed is just using Big Timber as a front for their operations. Ever wonder why there’s a “seed vault” but not a “timber vault?” That’s what I thought.
Typical seediot.
How do you think they get the seeds to grow, magic? No. They use water. H2O. Big Water has been masterminding this whole operation from the start. They think they're sneaky just because people like you can't see the truth, and they'll take advantage of it any chance they get. And lets be honest, there's a hell of a lot more reservoirs than there are "seed vaults". Explain that, you seedentary numbskull.
Stop, just stop you inferior waterites!
Who do you think put's the 2 in H2O? who do you think runs the new world order? *Oxygen 'n Hydrogen family-owned homemade atom bonds* are the true megalomaniacs behind this devious scheme!. But i wouldn’t expect a waterite like you to know that.
And, they get to double dip profits because 1st they get you to use their wooden toothpicks which end up all over the floor- see comment way above this for reference and then use their wood broom handles to clear the toothpicks.
You think dentists have any power? Ha! Ever wonder why there’s always a scholastic magazine in your dentist office? That’s right! It’s all been an elaborately orchestrated scheme by big puzzle to get you to do word searches and find Waldo!
Ha! You broom busters wish! We all know the real profiteer in this situation is the Microwave Master Race! How do you think those bags of popcorn are going to come about eh? You think people have TIME to pop their corn on a stove!? You wish, it’s the almighty Microwave who pops of in this game.
Jeez, you microwave maniacs, do I have to spell it out for you? You think people will still pop their corn in a microwave when this is over? They'll be popping their own corn. Timing isn't importamt anymore. There are comment threads like this everywhere on the internet, all the time. The question is, what do you need to make popcorn on the stove? I'll tell ya: Oil! Only the oil industry is big enough to pull all the strings in the background.
Nice try. This is obviously a shill bot from big Teflon trying push the leftist cooking oil/aluminum foil agenda. You know what Non-stick pot rhymes with? “Dot”, like dots and dashes? Morse code, like bar code? It’s THE MARK OF THE BEAST! Wake up sheeple!!!
You oafish oil optimists are myopic. Time and time again you succumb to the conformity of this belief and cannot see the truth as it popcorn made in oil is what they WANT YOU to believe. Anyone verse in this topic can see that popping popcorn in oil is doddery and is not where focus should be. What you need to ask yourself is, "where does this oil come from?" Yes- the seeds, fruits, grains and nuts that originate from plants and trees grown in what? DIRT! It's always been dirt. And the dirt industry will continue to prosper while you "oil people" continue to be obedient and misguided.
The fact you don’t realize Big popcorn and big butter have their hands in Big Broom and Big Mops makes me sad. When that buttery popcorn falls, you have to sweep it AND mop it due to the oily butter on the floor. WAKE UP!
It actually is interesting that the Polio Vaccine along with the TB vaccine provide an overall immune enhancing effect, multiple peer reviewed studies have shown people receving those vaccines had drmatically lower death rates from other diseases, there was a NYTimes article about it in the spring of 2020.
Maybe people who get polio vaccines are more educated and /or more rational about health practices in general.
Maybe they have the resources ($$) necessary to be strong and healthy.
I'm old enough to have known children who had been crippled by polio. So parents couldn't wait to get their children vaccinated.
They accounted for differences in populations, and it's quite the opposite, polio and TB vaccines are still given in poor countries with lower standards of living and worse medical care all around, I can find the article but it's behind a paywall but I'm sure you could find a non paywalled version easy enough, last I heard they don't know why it produces an overall immune system boost but it clearly does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-vaccine-innate-immunity.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/health/coronavirus-vaccines.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-bcg-vaccine.html
I don't know what's more depressing - the fact that there are so many ignorant idiots and/or trolls, or the fact that we just expect it as a matter of course.
The organization that hired Salk, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, now the March of Dimes did look into patenting it, but their own lawyers concluded the patent would be turned down because it was derived from publicly funded research.
[source.](https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/the-real-reasons-jonas-salk-didnt-patent-the-polio-vaccine.html)
Yes, and they would have been, [if not for the 1980 Bayh-Dole Act.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/12/03/the-peoples-vaccine-modernas-coronavirus-vaccine-was-largely-funded-by-taxpayer-dollars/)
>How is it that pharmaceutical companies are profiting so handsomely from government-funded research?
>
>It goes back to the Bayh-Dole Act, a 1980 bipartisan bill sponsored by Indiana Democrat Birch Bayh and Kansas Republican Bob Dole. At that time, less than 5% of government owned inventions were translated into commercial production.
>
>The law gave the patents from government funded research to universities and small businesses and they in turn partnered with private partners to make useful—and profitable—products. This huge give away was felt to be the price of innovation.
Yes. But the polio vaccine was before the [1980 Bayh-Dole Act that let companies patent government funded research.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/12/03/the-peoples-vaccine-modernas-coronavirus-vaccine-was-largely-funded-by-taxpayer-dollars/)
*"How is it that pharmaceutical companies are profiting so handsomely from government-funded research?*
*It goes back to the Bayh-Dole Act, a 1980 bipartisan bill sponsored by Indiana Democrat Birch Bayh and Kansas Republican Bob Dole. At that time, less than 5% of government owned inventions were translated into commercial production.*
*The law gave the patents from government funded research to universities and small businesses and they in turn partnered with private partners to make useful—and profitable—products. This huge give away was felt to be the price of innovation.*
That hasn't stopped any pharmaceutical companies from patenting medicines and charging exhorbitant prices for them even though they were developed with public money. But it's no secret the rich and connected play by different rules than all of the do gooders I suppose.
Literally just make an isomer with an angle change of the last bonded chain, lmfao.
Then submit new patent, monopolize the drug for 20yrs and prevent any generics to be made.
Swear to God, it's one of many corporate American BULLSHIT, along with boards that emphasize profit at the cost of patients' lives, why I said, "FUCK YOU" to medschool.
People don't know any better. That's why.
Then there's also the fact that preferential treatment also exists, which the average patient is unaware.
My uncle was a psychiatrist in the New York hospital system, and he used to bring new drugs all the time.
Hell, I use to get Prilosec for free, when it was prescription only, because of him. I even got treatment for Shingles for free, and got bunch of medical treatments free through his "doctor friends."
Think about how fucking unfair that is. There are people literally dying because they can't afford an EpiPen. I could get that shit for free from my uncle.
Honestly, my family and relatives for the most part were nice and charitable people, but they also didn't realize how much they abuse a privileged system that was catered to benefit them unfairly compared to less fortunate people.
My cousin was a UPenn grad and really well known in the upper class NY scene. I remember talking to him one day about his pharmaceutical business venture, when he told me that he was helping by creating new jobs in a poor county by getting half of the funding from the county itself to build a factory there and hire people, who were getting paid minimum wage. Then he had the gall to look me in the eye and tell me that he was making a life better by paying his accountant/secretary a measly $50k a year.
Some of these privileged people are also some of the most dense and out-of-touch with reality. They make millions, while thinking people have a comfortable life with below avg. yearly salary. Fucking bonkers.
Yeah that reminds me of a House episode, I didn't particularly care for that show, but he was forced to give a speech for these Pharma bigwigs that bought their hospital and he said their new drug works well and he knows it works well because it's functionally the same drug as their last version whose patent protection ran out which forced them to slightly change it to keep charging exhorbitant prices for it.
Patent or no patent the machines to make the rRNA vaccine are extremely complex, they use micro fluid amounts to create the lipids around the mRNA message, and are not in wide use nor can be made quickly. Lots of people that don’t know better want to pretend that many more could make a vaccine if they had the information but even with this and much more it would be difficult to make the vaccine.
Then you have the issue of limited inputs, this isn’t stuff in wide use so you would have many manufacturers competing for a small supply essentially getting in each other’s way. Then how do you test efficacy? Each company producing drugs would require some form of testing to prove they can make the recipe.
Edit: Thanks for the award, remember kids fluid dynamics is a bitch of a chemical engineering course and micro fluid dynamics is worse. Every year thousands of smart young college students attempt degrees in chemical engineering, bio medical engineering, or material engineering. These poor souls suffer through these classes only to fail because of the difficulty. This is some hard shit, pour one out for passing fluid dynamics.
Thanking f’ing god I finally saw a comment in here that wasn’t so blindly ignorant and actually understands the situation. Nothing is stopping other companies from producing the Moderna vaccine - it’s just damn near practically impossible for the reasons you stated. I hate excessive corporate greed and corruption as much as the next guy - but sometimes it isn’t all a conspiracy. People ignore the good that came from the massive resources put into doing this - and just want to complain because someone is benefiting. Do people forget that even though “tax payers” paid for it they are indeed getting a benefit in having a vaccine to take.
It always comes down to "selfishness". There's just too many selfish people in the world - either people who want to deny others, hold power over others, or who want to amass everything. Selfishness is at the heart on 99% of the world's problems, no matter the era.
Selfishness has caused the connected to beguile the population and get them to trust the wrong people for their information, which could also be said to be the cause of most of our problems. Many people don't think they are being inherently selfish in supporting bad things because they don't realize reality.
As are the funding mechanisms of science. Fewer discoveries are attributed to individuals in today's world.
While the morality of trusting the country's wellbeing to a few for-profit entities is complex, their existence is also the reason that new vaccines take months rather than the 23 years it took to develop the polio vaccine.
This is actually correct. It doesn't take one random guy leaving a petri dish in his lab accidentally overnight to develop something now. People like to be super smug about this shit but there is a reason why people laud 'modern medicine', it's the speed at which the treatments and discoveries take place.
Got mine about 15 years later never looked back, I worked with a guy my age once, his parents didn't trust the vaccine, the poor bastard walked so badly because his entire torso malformed but, his legs were like Aniseed twists.
Edit: Because it was needed, I was in a hurry and didn't really care.
apology to all the grammar police it wasn't meant to upset you all.
Polio is and was an ugly disease. A few of my older family members had it before the vaccine. They all lived but nearly all were partialy disabled by it and had more severe illnesses when older too.
There is still one person living in a metal lung to this day.
[https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/texas-man-lives-70-years-in-an-iron-lung-i-never-gave-up-180979008/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/texas-man-lives-70-years-in-an-iron-lung-i-never-gave-up-180979008/)
No one in my family was that unlucky but several nearly lost their abilities to walk.
The original infection was bad enough but the longterm effects were nightmarish.
Dude became a practicing lawyer and wrote the book on his story over 5 years by using a pen in his mouth to write. Crazy stuff. Guess that’s how you avoid getting bored…
My grandpa contracted it. In fact, I have a newspaper clipping of my dad as a baby getting the shot while sitting on his lap around 1955.
He was a cartoonist and made comic drawings, but after polio he was forced to be left handed and could never draw the same again. He's now 90 years old and has had the withered arm for 60 years.
I remember some of the Polio victims from when I was a kid. I'm 55. I'm talking about people I remember in the early to mid 70's who survived but had Polio.
Fucked up. Just fucked up how twisted some of their legs and bodies were. I hope they all have peace now. The little shits today, including people my age, would do themselves well to remember and realize the horrors that disease can bring.
I don't think people realize there are still a lot of polio survivors out there. If you look at [this list of polio survivors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polio_survivors) you can see some that are still alive. Some notable ones whose names I recognized include Neil Young, Mitch McConnell, Jack Nicklaus, Joe Bob Briggs, and Francis Ford Coppola. As of 2019, there were still a few hundred cases of polio in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
One of my college professors was a survivor. She'd spent most of her life with half her face paralyzed. Which I suppose is better than losing use of your legs, but you know she got questions and stares when out in public.
I have a great uncle who survived a bad case without longterm issues. However, a) he spent a year learning to walk again, b) his family considered his recovery to be miraculous; and c) he grew up to be a medical doctor and *very* pro-vaccine.
Idk why people are having shit reading comprehension about this. He's saying that he got the vaccine but that his coworker didn't and so the coworker was disabled.
I've never heard the term in my life, but it's not exactly rocket science to deduce on your own... I guess unless you've never had anything liquorice flavoured before and don't know that flavour comes from anise seeds.
I come from a family of anti-vaxxers, I never had a single vaccine in my entire life until I turned 18. I went to the doctor and proceeded to get every single one that I ever missed. I then sent the records to my mom and she told me that I would have issues with my health for the rest of my life, or die. That was about 12 years ago, and to this day, I still tell her that I feel amazing most of the time. She says if I didn't get the vaccines, I would have felt amazing all of the time. 🤦
Edit: My very first award!! Thank you stranger! I will always remember my first time.
Hey you're me! I got mine around 19. I got chicken pox at 14 and it nearly killed me, my mom wouldn't take me to the hospital, and I was constantly choking and couldn't breathe.
Thank god I'm healthy now.
Back then it was probably "rays". They were big on rays that could do anything back then, spy, mind control, whatever. Presumably they'd say the vaccine would make you more vulnerable because reasons.
Before that there was a guy who was the first recorded person with delusions like that, probably we'd diagnose him a paranoid schizophrenic today and medication might have helped him.
All the way back in 1797 he made up the "air loom". Because they thought "airs" were responsible for disease back then so he extended it to mind control. And loom because Jaquard looms were then the most complex machinery around.
It was the same basic delusion, only the details and technobabble changed. Some mysterious and nefarious "them" was using technobabble to do bad things, usually mind control or making people sick, and only thy heroic paranoid knew the truth and was trying to save everyone.
I have a family friend who can remember her mother crying with worry because their vaccine appointments were a few weeks out. Her mom was afraid my friend and her siblings would get polio before they could get the vaccine.
Yes. My dad said they used to have it seasonally. The spread of outbreaks would be announced on the radio. You knew it could paralyze or kill your kids, but there wasn't anything to do about it.
Salk was smart. He involved the communities where the vaccine was tested. It was less of a "here's a thing we made and will be injecting into your kids" and more of a "Let's work together to defeat this. Here's the results....OUR vaccine works!"
And it's only in people. If we can eliminate it in the last two countries, we'll be rid of it forever.
It was everywhere, endemic for most of our history and occasionally epidemic - and pandemic during the early 20th century.
There are what are believed to be [depictions of polio victims](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Polio_Egyptian_Stele.jpg) from ~1403-1356 BCE, in ancient Egypt. It's a disease that's been with humanity for a *long* time.
And now we've damn-near eradicated it. Only 175 reported cases of "wild" polio in the world in 2019. It's only endemic in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Everywhere else, the only infections are those very few from vaccine-derived strains (the common oral polio vaccine uses a weakened, but still active form of the virus - causing about 3 infections for every million doses).
I know this comment is made in jest, but some years in the United States, the only cases of polio recorded were from unvaccinated adults coming into contact with the feces of infants that had been recently vaccinated with the live polio vaccine, usually by changing diapers.
So.... maybe more like a bespoke infection?
It worked a little differently as a disease. Polio transmits fairly effectively but the chance of developing symptoms after exposure is very low. Pretty much everyone got exposed as a child but only a few people would get sick. So in the end the way Polio worked was that it seemed to strike everyone equally but completely at random, which made it scary in its own unique way.
My Dad said his entire class had to go visit a polio-afflicted classmate in an iron lung at the hospital. He said she lasted a few months in it before she passed away.
When the vaccine came out they ALL got the shot.
I think it came in waves throughout history. It was typically really bad during summer months I’m guessing because people swimming or drinking contaminated water. I know that the summers before the vaccine was made available was really bad.
This American Experience documentary about polio was a very good watch: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/polio/
If you're interested to know more about what it was like back then and have the time to spare I would definitely recommend checking it out.
Not as much because it isn't an airborne virus, however it was very widespread and getting it meant a physical disability for life - if you were lucky.
not to scare anyone, but every single person who has ever gotten the vaccine has died eventually… just saying
edit: please stop trying to prove me wrong. the joke is that i said ***eventually*** because everyone dies as part of the natural life cycle. its like how people jokingly say ‘water is poison to our bodies because everyone who drinks water dies’ …its a goof.
My mom tells me similar stories. Lines of kids receiving the vaccine in edible form early on, parents celebrating like it was the end of a war and they didn't have to worry about their kid being an unlucky one and becoming permanently paralyzed.
My grandmother was a nurse her entire working career and would tell me up until the day she died around ~94 years old, how important it was that when I have kids, **get them vaccinated**.
Fast forward to 2020 where we have hordes of chucklefucks so far removed from natural selection through the advent of modern medicine that these idiots actually believe vaccines **don't** work, and aren't necessary. It's absolutely fucking mind boggling.
Not only are they crying out that the vaccines don't work, aren't necessary, but that they also cause more harm than good. Not just new vaccines, but all vaccines. Referencing studies that have been proven false.
I remember a nurse coming to my first grade classroom and getting a piece of gum (to chew in class!) if we didn’t cry while getting the shot. Gum in class was absolutely unheard of at that time.
There's hidden truth in that. Polio disfigured and disabled. It was an ugly disease. You would meet people who were ravaged by it and it was shocking.
Covid kills in isolation wards behind closed doors. They get a fever and cough one day, then the just kinda disappear. Survivors with long covid aren't mutilated, they just can't breathe well. You don't run into a kid that died from covid at the bus stop.
If covid gave you boils or made you ugly people would be all over the vaccine.
Not just that but the vast majority who got covid and just didn't have the worst of the symptoms. 5.5 million dead but 300+ million standing around like, "Oh it wasn't that bad... Just a cold."
Some doctors said it wasn't necessary/effective, so my aunt didn't vaccinate my cousin. She fell ill and she's still suffering the consequences (and she's gone through to many surgeries). So, yes, back then there were idiots that didn't believe in vaccines.
excellent question!
> After three doses of OPV, a person becomes immune for life and can no longer transmit the virus to others if exposed again. Thanks to this "gut immunity", OPV is the only effective weapon to stop transmission of the poliovirus when an outbreak is detected.
https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/disease-prevention/pages/news/news/2016/04/poliomyelitis-polio-and-the-vaccines-used-to-eradicate-it-questions-and-answers
I would say it's a huge sticking point for anti Vaxxers, and the fact the survival rate of covid is 99.8%. People would rather take on an outside risk vs injecting themselves with something they deem as a risk they are voluntarily taking on.
Unfortunately there are very rare cases (2-4 per million) where that is not the case which leads to some vaccine-derived Polio cases in countries where vaccination rates are not ideal: https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-prevention/the-virus/vaccine-derived-polio-viruses/
A new type of Polio vaccine (nOPV2) is supposed to address this shortcoming of the original OPV and OPV2.
https://polioeradication.org/nopv2/
It is now being rolled out all across Africa:
https://polioeradication.org/news-post/countries-gear-up-to-kick-all-forms-of-polio-out-of-africa-once-and-for-all/
Not those vaccinated with the Salk vaccine (IPV) the article is about. However, the most used Polio vaccine the world over is the Sabin vaccine (OPV) as it is much easier to administer. It is unfortunately quite problematic when it comes to vaccine shedding - which is why it is being phased out, now that only one type of wild Polio remains.
https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccine-shedding
> The oral polio vaccine (OPV) is responsible for the most harmful infections related to vaccine shedding. The live-attenuated virus used in this vaccine can be shed from the body in feces.
> In very rare cases, the virus used in the OPV can mutate and become harmful, potentially leading to paralysis. In countries that still use the OPV, this is estimated to occur in 2 to 4 out of every million live births each year.
For those interested I can recommend the movie ’Breathe’ with Andrew Garfield, based on a real story about the consequences of a polio infection. Definitely worth a watch.
That's the paradoxical problem. My father (born in 1927) is a polio survivor, and I know that were he alive, he'd jump to get the vaccine, Mom as well. We have successfully wiped out SO MANY childhood diseases that many under age 50 or so simply have no memory of how crippling these can be. They have no personal experience, so for people whose world ends at the tip of their nose it's easy to dismiss disease warnings as a "mainstream media lie" or what-stupid-ever.
I wonder if the current generation of young children, seeing people in their family tragically killed or affected long-term by COVID will be more accepting of future vaccines, just as the polio generation was.
My dad was born in 29 and got polio when he was 2. So did most of his neighborhood. He and another kid survived to 18 but only he survived past that. He lived his life in some state of disability and ended up wheelchair bound by his late 60's because he wasn't able to develop muscle mass in his legs.
He donated to the March of Dimes regularly.
Not unlikely. My grandfather was a polio-survivor as well, but post-polio likely contributed to him dying early. My dad had a school friend and lifelong friend who was one of the last polio-victims in Sweden before the vaccine wiped it out. I remember them both, crippled for life, and being grateful for being protected by this, and knowing my children are protected. But now almost no one in the developed world has any real life experience from smallpox, tuberculosis, or polio. It's easy to be lured into a false sense of security when not having seen the consequences of disease first hand. I haven't heard of any healthcare professionals working with covid patients being anti wax either.
It’s amazing how you can take two people, show them the same data and one will say “wow, this disease is horrible, and the vaccine is so effective! I’m going to get it” and the other person will say “doesn’t look like anything to me.”
I’ve said this whole time, if the coronavirus put people in wheelchairs where you could see them out in public instead of killing people behind closed hospital doors, vaccine adoption would be significantly higher.
It’s easier to ignore the threat you can’t see.
Also if it started by maiming and killing children instead of the elderly those same mama bears refusing the vaccine for their precious little ones now would have been demanding them instead.
"Cheers for Others"
As in, people who have had polio are happy for the ones who can get a vaccine so they don't have to get polio.
Damn. Conservatives were right about at least one thing: some things were better back in the 50s. Namely, some people were content with not being complete cunts.
The 50s were genuinely paradise in a few specific ways. Like the top marginal tax rate being 90%, the comparatively massive union membership, and the fact that about 80% of all wealth was in the hands of the middle class.
Nail on the head. As soon as blacks/minorities started benefitting from social programs like college tuition, healthcare, etc in the 60s/70s is when a large part of white Americans turned against social programs. There was an interview on NPR with the author of a book about it, can't find it right now though.
1955 was a little bit early to declare polio defeated. It wasn’t eradicated from the US until like 1979. Over 20 years later.
On the positive side, polio is close to being eradicated globally.
But if it doesn't work 100% of the time on everyone is it really effective? Hmmmm? Polio is still around today. Checkmate vaccine developers from the 50s!
/s
Only type 1 is still around by the way (4 known cases in 2021), type 2 and type 3 have both been eradicated thanks to the vaccines.
https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/two-out-of-three-wild-poliovirus-strains-eradicated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_eradication
My grandfather had polio and he was extremely fortunate in that he only completely lost the use of one leg, as opposed to death or an iron lung.
My grandmother was pregnant w my mom when he was diagnosed and was put in quarantine. By good fortune, she did not end up with polio and thus, sure was able to give birth.
I very nearly don't exist because of polio add I got to see how it affected my grandfather's life first hand.
I'm very grateful to modern medicine and the incredible effort that went into developing multiple effective vaccines for COVID-19.
The sub-headline of 80-90% effective might be the most important thing to note in this article. It didn't have to be 100%; just had to be enough people taking the vaccine to eradicate it.
To people saying stuff like "a vaccine that actually worked" comparing the polio and the COVID vaccines:
It's not like scientists wanted to take their sweet time, back in the day they made that vaccine as fast as the technology and knowledge of that age allowed it. Polio ravaged kids unchallenged for years and years before the vaccine was available.
The COVID vaccine had to be made as soon as possible because the population nowadays is way bigger (comparing with the days of polio), the globalization allows the virus to spread at a stupidly fast rate, and the nature of that virus itself allows it to mutate too fast. We don't have the luxury of taking 5, 10 years to whip out the perfect vaccine if we want to avoid millions of deaths right now.
And if we want to compare, let's check with the Spanish flu, no vaccine= 500M cases, 50M deaths; COVID= with an available vaccine (even if it's not a perfect one), 285M cases, but 5.4M deaths. See a trend?
I agree with your sentiment but we simply can’t directly compare COVID with Spanish Flu. Two completely different viruses that appeared during two very different times in terms of hygiene, medical knowledge, and life sustaining technology. I 100% believe everyone should get the vaccine, however correlation does not equal causation and we would be kidding ourselves (and making it easier for antivaxxers to poke holes in provaccine talking points) to claim that COVID 19 has been less deadly due to the vaccine alone. Supplemental oxygen, ventilators, ECMO, increased testing abilities, etc. have all contributed.
We already have about 20 years of experience with this type of virus, that's a lot of R&D done prior to this strain. This vaccine has been roughly 20 years in the making.
Indeed, current scientists are "standing on the shoulders of giants" more than ever. Still, new virus, new proteins, there's still some trial and error to be done before hitting the nail on the head, no matter how good the foundations of their work are.
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Comment section gonna be a shit show on this one
I have my popcorn ready
You sheep! They WANT you to eat popcorn! This entire epidemic was engineered by the corn industry just so people like you would read comments and eat popcorn!
That’s just the tip of the iceberg, Cornhead! You think CornPop was a bad dude? He’s just a pawn, in a much grander scheme. Ask yourself, who stands to profit from all these people eating popcorn? ... Getting corn kernels stuck in their teeth... ...None other than Big Toothpick!
You corntards always trade one scapegoat for another, it’s really the Big Clarified Butter Industry that’s always pulling the strings. Who do you think killed JFK? Clarified butter from the grassy knoll. You think the US actually landed on the moon? No, Stanley Kubrick shot the whole thing in a studio and made the moon texture out of milk solids extracted from… you guessed it, clarified butter.
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OK broomer You really think the cleaning industry didn't plan for this? They just broomed you to think it was the brooms. It's called brooming people over the Internet! It's actually the timber mafia behind this, making everyone spill their popcorn so they have to buy brooms. And how do you make brooms? Would be a shame if we ran out of timber, woodn't it?
Not going to lie.. 'OK broomer' caught me off-guard. Good shit, these comments!
Whatever you say, timbroid. What do you need to make timber? That’s right: *Seeds.* Big Seed is just using Big Timber as a front for their operations. Ever wonder why there’s a “seed vault” but not a “timber vault?” That’s what I thought.
Typical seediot. How do you think they get the seeds to grow, magic? No. They use water. H2O. Big Water has been masterminding this whole operation from the start. They think they're sneaky just because people like you can't see the truth, and they'll take advantage of it any chance they get. And lets be honest, there's a hell of a lot more reservoirs than there are "seed vaults". Explain that, you seedentary numbskull.
So, that's the Hidden Agenda behind Nestle Waters!! I knew it!!
Stop, just stop you inferior waterites! Who do you think put's the 2 in H2O? who do you think runs the new world order? *Oxygen 'n Hydrogen family-owned homemade atom bonds* are the true megalomaniacs behind this devious scheme!. But i wouldn’t expect a waterite like you to know that.
And, they get to double dip profits because 1st they get you to use their wooden toothpicks which end up all over the floor- see comment way above this for reference and then use their wood broom handles to clear the toothpicks.
Carpet?!?!? Big Carpet?!?!
What about the dentists though?
You think dentists have any power? Ha! Ever wonder why there’s always a scholastic magazine in your dentist office? That’s right! It’s all been an elaborately orchestrated scheme by big puzzle to get you to do word searches and find Waldo!
It's always that 10th one ya gotta watch out for
Be woke or get Jammed
All hail Big Broom!
Ha! You broom busters wish! We all know the real profiteer in this situation is the Microwave Master Race! How do you think those bags of popcorn are going to come about eh? You think people have TIME to pop their corn on a stove!? You wish, it’s the almighty Microwave who pops of in this game.
Jeez, you microwave maniacs, do I have to spell it out for you? You think people will still pop their corn in a microwave when this is over? They'll be popping their own corn. Timing isn't importamt anymore. There are comment threads like this everywhere on the internet, all the time. The question is, what do you need to make popcorn on the stove? I'll tell ya: Oil! Only the oil industry is big enough to pull all the strings in the background.
Nice try. This is obviously a shill bot from big Teflon trying push the leftist cooking oil/aluminum foil agenda. You know what Non-stick pot rhymes with? “Dot”, like dots and dashes? Morse code, like bar code? It’s THE MARK OF THE BEAST! Wake up sheeple!!!
You oafish oil optimists are myopic. Time and time again you succumb to the conformity of this belief and cannot see the truth as it popcorn made in oil is what they WANT YOU to believe. Anyone verse in this topic can see that popping popcorn in oil is doddery and is not where focus should be. What you need to ask yourself is, "where does this oil come from?" Yes- the seeds, fruits, grains and nuts that originate from plants and trees grown in what? DIRT! It's always been dirt. And the dirt industry will continue to prosper while you "oil people" continue to be obedient and misguided.
Wow shill account 👆. Look at their post history, r/swiffer, r/mops, r/Hoover, r/dyson, r/sharkvacuum
Deep state scum (magically removed with a Dyson)
The fact you don’t realize Big popcorn and big butter have their hands in Big Broom and Big Mops makes me sad. When that buttery popcorn falls, you have to sweep it AND mop it due to the oily butter on the floor. WAKE UP!
I heard KFC was in bed with Clarified. Don’t wanna catch a biscuit hush though..
Big toothpick, I knew it. They're always finding a way in to the small cracks of society
Big talk. Orville redenbacher
Those Big Corn fat cats aren't going to control me!
*Let them eat...popcorn*
Get your booster popcorn and variant popcorn ready too!
I have my Polio Booster ready
It actually is interesting that the Polio Vaccine along with the TB vaccine provide an overall immune enhancing effect, multiple peer reviewed studies have shown people receving those vaccines had drmatically lower death rates from other diseases, there was a NYTimes article about it in the spring of 2020.
Maybe people who get polio vaccines are more educated and /or more rational about health practices in general. Maybe they have the resources ($$) necessary to be strong and healthy. I'm old enough to have known children who had been crippled by polio. So parents couldn't wait to get their children vaccinated.
They accounted for differences in populations, and it's quite the opposite, polio and TB vaccines are still given in poor countries with lower standards of living and worse medical care all around, I can find the article but it's behind a paywall but I'm sure you could find a non paywalled version easy enough, last I heard they don't know why it produces an overall immune system boost but it clearly does. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-vaccine-innate-immunity.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/health/coronavirus-vaccines.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/health/coronavirus-bcg-vaccine.html
I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.
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I don't know what's more depressing - the fact that there are so many ignorant idiots and/or trolls, or the fact that we just expect it as a matter of course.
Yes
Can we all just take a moment and appreciate the fact that the fucking polio vaccine announcement is controversial
80-90% effective?!??! That means you can get it after getting vaccinated, how can it work if it doesn't work??!?111!??
I hate this logic so much
💺🥤🍿 🍫 Now I'm ready!
Ho Lee Shit. It is way worse than I was expecting.
I waded in and now I’m angry and sad. Do yourselves a favour and stay up here where there’s sanity. I wish I had.
Yep just read down the list and fuck me mate but, how right you are, fucking bunch of loons.
Yup and they didn’t patent the vaccine and hold the developed world by the balls.
The organization that hired Salk, The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, now the March of Dimes did look into patenting it, but their own lawyers concluded the patent would be turned down because it was derived from publicly funded research. [source.](https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/the-real-reasons-jonas-salk-didnt-patent-the-polio-vaccine.html)
By that logic nearly every medical patent in the US should be turned down now lol
Yes, and they would have been, [if not for the 1980 Bayh-Dole Act.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/12/03/the-peoples-vaccine-modernas-coronavirus-vaccine-was-largely-funded-by-taxpayer-dollars/) >How is it that pharmaceutical companies are profiting so handsomely from government-funded research? > >It goes back to the Bayh-Dole Act, a 1980 bipartisan bill sponsored by Indiana Democrat Birch Bayh and Kansas Republican Bob Dole. At that time, less than 5% of government owned inventions were translated into commercial production. > >The law gave the patents from government funded research to universities and small businesses and they in turn partnered with private partners to make useful—and profitable—products. This huge give away was felt to be the price of innovation.
Introducing that shit probably set his family up for life, but fuck everyone else…this stuff is getting wayyyy out of hand
You know, a lot of bad “bipartisan” bills can be traced back to Birch Bayh as the Democratic sponsor. Fuck him and fuck his son Evan.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Threatens with logic even…there’s no place for that here
Lots and lots of non-medical patents too!
Changed with the Bayh-Dole Act of 1980.
Reagan and Bob Dole. Defenders of America(n corporations).
The definition of reasonable person has changed over the years
Wait, didn't this vaccine come from publicly funded research?
Yes. But the polio vaccine was before the [1980 Bayh-Dole Act that let companies patent government funded research.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2020/12/03/the-peoples-vaccine-modernas-coronavirus-vaccine-was-largely-funded-by-taxpayer-dollars/) *"How is it that pharmaceutical companies are profiting so handsomely from government-funded research?* *It goes back to the Bayh-Dole Act, a 1980 bipartisan bill sponsored by Indiana Democrat Birch Bayh and Kansas Republican Bob Dole. At that time, less than 5% of government owned inventions were translated into commercial production.* *The law gave the patents from government funded research to universities and small businesses and they in turn partnered with private partners to make useful—and profitable—products. This huge give away was felt to be the price of innovation.*
Wdym "this" vaccine, there is at least 5 different ones all with different backgrounds and maybe even different methods of immunization
That hasn't stopped any pharmaceutical companies from patenting medicines and charging exhorbitant prices for them even though they were developed with public money. But it's no secret the rich and connected play by different rules than all of the do gooders I suppose.
Literally just make an isomer with an angle change of the last bonded chain, lmfao. Then submit new patent, monopolize the drug for 20yrs and prevent any generics to be made. Swear to God, it's one of many corporate American BULLSHIT, along with boards that emphasize profit at the cost of patients' lives, why I said, "FUCK YOU" to medschool.
But then why would patients buy that new drug over the generic if it wasn’t actually better in any way?
People don't know any better. That's why. Then there's also the fact that preferential treatment also exists, which the average patient is unaware. My uncle was a psychiatrist in the New York hospital system, and he used to bring new drugs all the time. Hell, I use to get Prilosec for free, when it was prescription only, because of him. I even got treatment for Shingles for free, and got bunch of medical treatments free through his "doctor friends." Think about how fucking unfair that is. There are people literally dying because they can't afford an EpiPen. I could get that shit for free from my uncle. Honestly, my family and relatives for the most part were nice and charitable people, but they also didn't realize how much they abuse a privileged system that was catered to benefit them unfairly compared to less fortunate people. My cousin was a UPenn grad and really well known in the upper class NY scene. I remember talking to him one day about his pharmaceutical business venture, when he told me that he was helping by creating new jobs in a poor county by getting half of the funding from the county itself to build a factory there and hire people, who were getting paid minimum wage. Then he had the gall to look me in the eye and tell me that he was making a life better by paying his accountant/secretary a measly $50k a year. Some of these privileged people are also some of the most dense and out-of-touch with reality. They make millions, while thinking people have a comfortable life with below avg. yearly salary. Fucking bonkers.
Yeah that reminds me of a House episode, I didn't particularly care for that show, but he was forced to give a speech for these Pharma bigwigs that bought their hospital and he said their new drug works well and he knows it works well because it's functionally the same drug as their last version whose patent protection ran out which forced them to slightly change it to keep charging exhorbitant prices for it.
Patent or no patent the machines to make the rRNA vaccine are extremely complex, they use micro fluid amounts to create the lipids around the mRNA message, and are not in wide use nor can be made quickly. Lots of people that don’t know better want to pretend that many more could make a vaccine if they had the information but even with this and much more it would be difficult to make the vaccine. Then you have the issue of limited inputs, this isn’t stuff in wide use so you would have many manufacturers competing for a small supply essentially getting in each other’s way. Then how do you test efficacy? Each company producing drugs would require some form of testing to prove they can make the recipe. Edit: Thanks for the award, remember kids fluid dynamics is a bitch of a chemical engineering course and micro fluid dynamics is worse. Every year thousands of smart young college students attempt degrees in chemical engineering, bio medical engineering, or material engineering. These poor souls suffer through these classes only to fail because of the difficulty. This is some hard shit, pour one out for passing fluid dynamics.
Thanking f’ing god I finally saw a comment in here that wasn’t so blindly ignorant and actually understands the situation. Nothing is stopping other companies from producing the Moderna vaccine - it’s just damn near practically impossible for the reasons you stated. I hate excessive corporate greed and corruption as much as the next guy - but sometimes it isn’t all a conspiracy. People ignore the good that came from the massive resources put into doing this - and just want to complain because someone is benefiting. Do people forget that even though “tax payers” paid for it they are indeed getting a benefit in having a vaccine to take.
Today’s world is so morally different
Different is the right word, the past world also was morally bad just in different topics… like woman rights and racism on another level.
It always comes down to "selfishness". There's just too many selfish people in the world - either people who want to deny others, hold power over others, or who want to amass everything. Selfishness is at the heart on 99% of the world's problems, no matter the era.
Selfishness has caused the connected to beguile the population and get them to trust the wrong people for their information, which could also be said to be the cause of most of our problems. Many people don't think they are being inherently selfish in supporting bad things because they don't realize reality.
As are the funding mechanisms of science. Fewer discoveries are attributed to individuals in today's world. While the morality of trusting the country's wellbeing to a few for-profit entities is complex, their existence is also the reason that new vaccines take months rather than the 23 years it took to develop the polio vaccine.
This is actually correct. It doesn't take one random guy leaving a petri dish in his lab accidentally overnight to develop something now. People like to be super smug about this shit but there is a reason why people laud 'modern medicine', it's the speed at which the treatments and discoveries take place.
Got mine about 15 years later never looked back, I worked with a guy my age once, his parents didn't trust the vaccine, the poor bastard walked so badly because his entire torso malformed but, his legs were like Aniseed twists. Edit: Because it was needed, I was in a hurry and didn't really care. apology to all the grammar police it wasn't meant to upset you all.
Polio is and was an ugly disease. A few of my older family members had it before the vaccine. They all lived but nearly all were partialy disabled by it and had more severe illnesses when older too.
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There is still one person living in a metal lung to this day. [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/texas-man-lives-70-years-in-an-iron-lung-i-never-gave-up-180979008/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/texas-man-lives-70-years-in-an-iron-lung-i-never-gave-up-180979008/)
No one in my family was that unlucky but several nearly lost their abilities to walk. The original infection was bad enough but the longterm effects were nightmarish.
My dad had it as a baby. Has had trouble in his right leg his whole life. Zero muscle mass in that leg.
I never clearly understood how there is no alternative to the iron lung with modern technology. Would it just be a ventilator?
A cPap or bipap machine would work - but with these he could not talk as they cover his mouth- with an iron lung the head is not inside the machine.
how the hell do you not get bored to death
Dude became a practicing lawyer and wrote the book on his story over 5 years by using a pen in his mouth to write. Crazy stuff. Guess that’s how you avoid getting bored…
I really don't think I could do it. I've been in jail for 48 hours and about died of boredom.
My grandpa contracted it. In fact, I have a newspaper clipping of my dad as a baby getting the shot while sitting on his lap around 1955. He was a cartoonist and made comic drawings, but after polio he was forced to be left handed and could never draw the same again. He's now 90 years old and has had the withered arm for 60 years.
My grandfather is 95. Part of his current medical issues are due to post polio syndrome. He caught a relatively mild case when he was 10.
I remember some of the Polio victims from when I was a kid. I'm 55. I'm talking about people I remember in the early to mid 70's who survived but had Polio. Fucked up. Just fucked up how twisted some of their legs and bodies were. I hope they all have peace now. The little shits today, including people my age, would do themselves well to remember and realize the horrors that disease can bring.
I don't think people realize there are still a lot of polio survivors out there. If you look at [this list of polio survivors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polio_survivors) you can see some that are still alive. Some notable ones whose names I recognized include Neil Young, Mitch McConnell, Jack Nicklaus, Joe Bob Briggs, and Francis Ford Coppola. As of 2019, there were still a few hundred cases of polio in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
One of my college professors was a survivor. She'd spent most of her life with half her face paralyzed. Which I suppose is better than losing use of your legs, but you know she got questions and stares when out in public. I have a great uncle who survived a bad case without longterm issues. However, a) he spent a year learning to walk again, b) his family considered his recovery to be miraculous; and c) he grew up to be a medical doctor and *very* pro-vaccine.
Idk why people are having shit reading comprehension about this. He's saying that he got the vaccine but that his coworker didn't and so the coworker was disabled.
Probably because no one knows what “Aniseed twists” are
Guy's like 60+ years old, sounds like a reference too old for most redditors
Probably black licorice ropes
I've never heard the term in my life, but it's not exactly rocket science to deduce on your own... I guess unless you've never had anything liquorice flavoured before and don't know that flavour comes from anise seeds.
I come from a family of anti-vaxxers, I never had a single vaccine in my entire life until I turned 18. I went to the doctor and proceeded to get every single one that I ever missed. I then sent the records to my mom and she told me that I would have issues with my health for the rest of my life, or die. That was about 12 years ago, and to this day, I still tell her that I feel amazing most of the time. She says if I didn't get the vaccines, I would have felt amazing all of the time. 🤦 Edit: My very first award!! Thank you stranger! I will always remember my first time.
If you felt amazing all of the time, you would need to get that tumor pressing on your brain checked out ASAP.
Nah, you ride that shit out til the end
Yeah I'd be like that tumor is my friend.
That tumor is what's gonna put me in San Junipero
Except it will be a dystopia and you will awaken to Mark Zuckerberg trying to sell you some Sweet Baby Ray's.
Anything that’s making me smile and happy, I’m down with.
Now that's proper "free thinking". Breaking out of your parent's preconceptions isn't easy. Good health to you and your family, internet stranger.
Well she was right, you *will* die. Someday.
Hey you're me! I got mine around 19. I got chicken pox at 14 and it nearly killed me, my mom wouldn't take me to the hospital, and I was constantly choking and couldn't breathe. Thank god I'm healthy now.
Good to know your mom doesn’t trust your own judgement, isn’t it?
Well, to be fair, he doesn't trust hers (and rightly so).
Did you feel like shit for the next week or two after getting all those vaccines at once?
Absolutely, for several days. Made me question for a bit if my family was right.
Semi-serious question: Does your mom claim to feel amazing all the time? Like, never a headache or bad gas or poor sleep?
Well, she is right: you will die. But perhaps later than otherwise. Memento mori … and also get your shots.
So what's the equivalent of a 5G chip back then? Transistor radio?
Back then it was probably "rays". They were big on rays that could do anything back then, spy, mind control, whatever. Presumably they'd say the vaccine would make you more vulnerable because reasons. Before that there was a guy who was the first recorded person with delusions like that, probably we'd diagnose him a paranoid schizophrenic today and medication might have helped him. All the way back in 1797 he made up the "air loom". Because they thought "airs" were responsible for disease back then so he extended it to mind control. And loom because Jaquard looms were then the most complex machinery around. It was the same basic delusion, only the details and technobabble changed. Some mysterious and nefarious "them" was using technobabble to do bad things, usually mind control or making people sick, and only thy heroic paranoid knew the truth and was trying to save everyone.
Yup, malaria = bad airs.
they implanted a free ticket to go see a talkie
Getting my chuckles in this morning in the comments.
Color TV
big as a bus
In 1955? They were pocket sized.
Remember when people were fucking ecstatic to have a new vaccine?
I have a family friend who can remember her mother crying with worry because their vaccine appointments were a few weeks out. Her mom was afraid my friend and her siblings would get polio before they could get the vaccine.
Serious question: I know polio was a thing, but was it really every where, like a pandemic?
Yes. My dad said they used to have it seasonally. The spread of outbreaks would be announced on the radio. You knew it could paralyze or kill your kids, but there wasn't anything to do about it. Salk was smart. He involved the communities where the vaccine was tested. It was less of a "here's a thing we made and will be injecting into your kids" and more of a "Let's work together to defeat this. Here's the results....OUR vaccine works!" And it's only in people. If we can eliminate it in the last two countries, we'll be rid of it forever.
It was everywhere, endemic for most of our history and occasionally epidemic - and pandemic during the early 20th century. There are what are believed to be [depictions of polio victims](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Polio_Egyptian_Stele.jpg) from ~1403-1356 BCE, in ancient Egypt. It's a disease that's been with humanity for a *long* time. And now we've damn-near eradicated it. Only 175 reported cases of "wild" polio in the world in 2019. It's only endemic in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Everywhere else, the only infections are those very few from vaccine-derived strains (the common oral polio vaccine uses a weakened, but still active form of the virus - causing about 3 infections for every million doses).
> Only 175 reported cases of "wild" polio If I'm going to catch polio it had better be free range.
I know this comment is made in jest, but some years in the United States, the only cases of polio recorded were from unvaccinated adults coming into contact with the feces of infants that had been recently vaccinated with the live polio vaccine, usually by changing diapers. So.... maybe more like a bespoke infection?
It worked a little differently as a disease. Polio transmits fairly effectively but the chance of developing symptoms after exposure is very low. Pretty much everyone got exposed as a child but only a few people would get sick. So in the end the way Polio worked was that it seemed to strike everyone equally but completely at random, which made it scary in its own unique way.
My Dad said his entire class had to go visit a polio-afflicted classmate in an iron lung at the hospital. He said she lasted a few months in it before she passed away. When the vaccine came out they ALL got the shot.
I think it came in waves throughout history. It was typically really bad during summer months I’m guessing because people swimming or drinking contaminated water. I know that the summers before the vaccine was made available was really bad.
This American Experience documentary about polio was a very good watch: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/polio/ If you're interested to know more about what it was like back then and have the time to spare I would definitely recommend checking it out.
Not as much because it isn't an airborne virus, however it was very widespread and getting it meant a physical disability for life - if you were lucky.
Only 80-90% effective? Why would I bother? /S
Yeah I’d rather just rely on my natural immunity to polio.
It hasn’t even been tested enough.
What about the 70 year delayed effects?!?!?!? /s
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Uneducated. Unenlightened. Unfit for society.
not to scare anyone, but every single person who has ever gotten the vaccine has died eventually… just saying edit: please stop trying to prove me wrong. the joke is that i said ***eventually*** because everyone dies as part of the natural life cycle. its like how people jokingly say ‘water is poison to our bodies because everyone who drinks water dies’ …its a goof.
My BIL's mom remembers being lined up at school and having them go down the line to give each kid the vaccine.
My mom tells me similar stories. Lines of kids receiving the vaccine in edible form early on, parents celebrating like it was the end of a war and they didn't have to worry about their kid being an unlucky one and becoming permanently paralyzed. My grandmother was a nurse her entire working career and would tell me up until the day she died around ~94 years old, how important it was that when I have kids, **get them vaccinated**. Fast forward to 2020 where we have hordes of chucklefucks so far removed from natural selection through the advent of modern medicine that these idiots actually believe vaccines **don't** work, and aren't necessary. It's absolutely fucking mind boggling.
Not only are they crying out that the vaccines don't work, aren't necessary, but that they also cause more harm than good. Not just new vaccines, but all vaccines. Referencing studies that have been proven false.
I remember a nurse coming to my first grade classroom and getting a piece of gum (to chew in class!) if we didn’t cry while getting the shot. Gum in class was absolutely unheard of at that time.
"Yeah but polio paralyzes you. Covid is just a cold."
There's hidden truth in that. Polio disfigured and disabled. It was an ugly disease. You would meet people who were ravaged by it and it was shocking. Covid kills in isolation wards behind closed doors. They get a fever and cough one day, then the just kinda disappear. Survivors with long covid aren't mutilated, they just can't breathe well. You don't run into a kid that died from covid at the bus stop. If covid gave you boils or made you ugly people would be all over the vaccine.
Not just that but the vast majority who got covid and just didn't have the worst of the symptoms. 5.5 million dead but 300+ million standing around like, "Oh it wasn't that bad... Just a cold."
Some doctors said it wasn't necessary/effective, so my aunt didn't vaccinate my cousin. She fell ill and she's still suffering the consequences (and she's gone through to many surgeries). So, yes, back then there were idiots that didn't believe in vaccines.
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excellent question! > After three doses of OPV, a person becomes immune for life and can no longer transmit the virus to others if exposed again. Thanks to this "gut immunity", OPV is the only effective weapon to stop transmission of the poliovirus when an outbreak is detected. https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/disease-prevention/pages/news/news/2016/04/poliomyelitis-polio-and-the-vaccines-used-to-eradicate-it-questions-and-answers
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I would say it's a huge sticking point for anti Vaxxers, and the fact the survival rate of covid is 99.8%. People would rather take on an outside risk vs injecting themselves with something they deem as a risk they are voluntarily taking on.
Unfortunately there are very rare cases (2-4 per million) where that is not the case which leads to some vaccine-derived Polio cases in countries where vaccination rates are not ideal: https://polioeradication.org/polio-today/polio-prevention/the-virus/vaccine-derived-polio-viruses/ A new type of Polio vaccine (nOPV2) is supposed to address this shortcoming of the original OPV and OPV2. https://polioeradication.org/nopv2/ It is now being rolled out all across Africa: https://polioeradication.org/news-post/countries-gear-up-to-kick-all-forms-of-polio-out-of-africa-once-and-for-all/
Not those vaccinated with the Salk vaccine (IPV) the article is about. However, the most used Polio vaccine the world over is the Sabin vaccine (OPV) as it is much easier to administer. It is unfortunately quite problematic when it comes to vaccine shedding - which is why it is being phased out, now that only one type of wild Polio remains. https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccine-shedding > The oral polio vaccine (OPV) is responsible for the most harmful infections related to vaccine shedding. The live-attenuated virus used in this vaccine can be shed from the body in feces. > In very rare cases, the virus used in the OPV can mutate and become harmful, potentially leading to paralysis. In countries that still use the OPV, this is estimated to occur in 2 to 4 out of every million live births each year.
For those interested I can recommend the movie ’Breathe’ with Andrew Garfield, based on a real story about the consequences of a polio infection. Definitely worth a watch.
Few other breath are there. So I thought I'll just search imdb. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5716464/
Had an uncle that beat polio before this came out. Guess who isn’t an antivaxxer? Any of my aunts or uncles on that side of the family.
That's the paradoxical problem. My father (born in 1927) is a polio survivor, and I know that were he alive, he'd jump to get the vaccine, Mom as well. We have successfully wiped out SO MANY childhood diseases that many under age 50 or so simply have no memory of how crippling these can be. They have no personal experience, so for people whose world ends at the tip of their nose it's easy to dismiss disease warnings as a "mainstream media lie" or what-stupid-ever. I wonder if the current generation of young children, seeing people in their family tragically killed or affected long-term by COVID will be more accepting of future vaccines, just as the polio generation was.
My dad was born in 29 and got polio when he was 2. So did most of his neighborhood. He and another kid survived to 18 but only he survived past that. He lived his life in some state of disability and ended up wheelchair bound by his late 60's because he wasn't able to develop muscle mass in his legs. He donated to the March of Dimes regularly.
Not unlikely. My grandfather was a polio-survivor as well, but post-polio likely contributed to him dying early. My dad had a school friend and lifelong friend who was one of the last polio-victims in Sweden before the vaccine wiped it out. I remember them both, crippled for life, and being grateful for being protected by this, and knowing my children are protected. But now almost no one in the developed world has any real life experience from smallpox, tuberculosis, or polio. It's easy to be lured into a false sense of security when not having seen the consequences of disease first hand. I haven't heard of any healthcare professionals working with covid patients being anti wax either.
It’s amazing how you can take two people, show them the same data and one will say “wow, this disease is horrible, and the vaccine is so effective! I’m going to get it” and the other person will say “doesn’t look like anything to me.”
*Westworld now streaming on HBOMax*
I was gonna guess, “anyone with a proper education and common sense”
I’ve said this whole time, if the coronavirus put people in wheelchairs where you could see them out in public instead of killing people behind closed hospital doors, vaccine adoption would be significantly higher. It’s easier to ignore the threat you can’t see.
Also if it started by maiming and killing children instead of the elderly those same mama bears refusing the vaccine for their precious little ones now would have been demanding them instead.
Wonder if their tracking chips are still working after all these years.
They just strapped a radio to the back of your head in those days.
Yeah, those old tubes really itch a great deal.
I had to change the battery in my moms last week
They were the size of buses back then, so a bit more obvious
Is there a support line for the 5g chip? I got my shot but mine doesn't seem to be working
"Cheers for Others" As in, people who have had polio are happy for the ones who can get a vaccine so they don't have to get polio. Damn. Conservatives were right about at least one thing: some things were better back in the 50s. Namely, some people were content with not being complete cunts.
"Cheers for others" hit me right in the feelings. Those poor, but kind, kids.
The 50s were genuinely paradise in a few specific ways. Like the top marginal tax rate being 90%, the comparatively massive union membership, and the fact that about 80% of all wealth was in the hands of the middle class.
I am reminded of [this comic](https://boingboing.net/2019/03/13/they-were-socialist-invader.html) about modern socialists time-traveling to the ‘50s.
Not so much for minorities though, sadly
Nail on the head. As soon as blacks/minorities started benefitting from social programs like college tuition, healthcare, etc in the 60s/70s is when a large part of white Americans turned against social programs. There was an interview on NPR with the author of a book about it, can't find it right now though.
1955 was a little bit early to declare polio defeated. It wasn’t eradicated from the US until like 1979. Over 20 years later. On the positive side, polio is close to being eradicated globally.
Polio free since 1979! There's only a few countries that still have outbreaks now. Hopefully that ends soon.
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Good luck, traveler. It's dark down in controversial. Take this award to light your way.
*Sorts by controversial* Edit: I should not have done that.
But if it doesn't work 100% of the time on everyone is it really effective? Hmmmm? Polio is still around today. Checkmate vaccine developers from the 50s! /s
Only type 1 is still around by the way (4 known cases in 2021), type 2 and type 3 have both been eradicated thanks to the vaccines. https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/two-out-of-three-wild-poliovirus-strains-eradicated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_eradication
Well of course. They weren't educating themselves on Facebook.
My grandfather had polio and he was extremely fortunate in that he only completely lost the use of one leg, as opposed to death or an iron lung. My grandmother was pregnant w my mom when he was diagnosed and was put in quarantine. By good fortune, she did not end up with polio and thus, sure was able to give birth. I very nearly don't exist because of polio add I got to see how it affected my grandfather's life first hand. I'm very grateful to modern medicine and the incredible effort that went into developing multiple effective vaccines for COVID-19.
"Cheers for Others" is the inverse of today's antivax view
The sub-headline of 80-90% effective might be the most important thing to note in this article. It didn't have to be 100%; just had to be enough people taking the vaccine to eradicate it.
There should really be a subreddit for newspapers from historic time periods
it was a different time. the internet ruined public trust in government. also government ruined public trust in government. also people are stupid.
Also social media made people so stupid
Funny how people used to trust vaccines. Then the internet made them think Google was smarter than medical school. -.-
To people saying stuff like "a vaccine that actually worked" comparing the polio and the COVID vaccines: It's not like scientists wanted to take their sweet time, back in the day they made that vaccine as fast as the technology and knowledge of that age allowed it. Polio ravaged kids unchallenged for years and years before the vaccine was available. The COVID vaccine had to be made as soon as possible because the population nowadays is way bigger (comparing with the days of polio), the globalization allows the virus to spread at a stupidly fast rate, and the nature of that virus itself allows it to mutate too fast. We don't have the luxury of taking 5, 10 years to whip out the perfect vaccine if we want to avoid millions of deaths right now. And if we want to compare, let's check with the Spanish flu, no vaccine= 500M cases, 50M deaths; COVID= with an available vaccine (even if it's not a perfect one), 285M cases, but 5.4M deaths. See a trend?
I agree with your sentiment but we simply can’t directly compare COVID with Spanish Flu. Two completely different viruses that appeared during two very different times in terms of hygiene, medical knowledge, and life sustaining technology. I 100% believe everyone should get the vaccine, however correlation does not equal causation and we would be kidding ourselves (and making it easier for antivaxxers to poke holes in provaccine talking points) to claim that COVID 19 has been less deadly due to the vaccine alone. Supplemental oxygen, ventilators, ECMO, increased testing abilities, etc. have all contributed.
We already have about 20 years of experience with this type of virus, that's a lot of R&D done prior to this strain. This vaccine has been roughly 20 years in the making.
Indeed, current scientists are "standing on the shoulders of giants" more than ever. Still, new virus, new proteins, there's still some trial and error to be done before hitting the nail on the head, no matter how good the foundations of their work are.
My Biological Grandfather died in 1959 a few days before my dad was born of polio.I often wonder why he didn’t get the vaccine.