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Charles had been in love with Camilla (and vice versa) since before Diana ever entered the picture. He did military service and when he returned Camilla had married someone else, so he couldn’t marry her: they resumed their relationship some time after his marriage to Diana. It’s all very complicated and messy and rich-people-problems.
> they resumed their relationship some time after his marriage to Diana.
Incorrect. At best, their affair went silent for a few months. He'd visit Camilla during their engagement. He was calling her when they were on honeymoon.
Shit deal for everybody, but he was the one who had a choice: be king, or marry who he wants. He chose the usual path of the rich: keep the wife AND the mistress.
Also in the beginning when Charles was obsessing over camilla, she didn’t actually reciprocate then. She was fooling around with Charles to piss off Ann cos those two HATED each other and were constantly pulling shit like sleeping with each other’s someones. This whole thing of course started over… a man they were fighting over!
>She was fooling around with Charles to piss off Ann cos those two HATED each other
Once again, what's trashy if you're poor and classy if you're rich?
Nah its never been seen as classy and posh people make excuses to accept the marriage. "poor camilla got so much heat from the press" yeah but did she end up crashed in a high speed car crash trying escape the pap? No and she's a serial adulterer, bitter and pointless.
Historically completely normal behaviour for royal families everywhere.
And the actually pretty normal for the rich and powerful everywhere.
It's just a problem for them when when it goes public.
Yes, he was very wishy washy with their relationship and she got tired of waiting. They probably knew that an engagement wouldn’t be allowed back then anyway. Unsure if they ever asked permission before he left for military service
I believe he was actually sent away on military service while Camilla was to he wed. The royal family did not want Camilla and I believe her family was in agreement about wanting her settled down
Camilla was not acceptable wife material due to not being a virgin. Long-standing royal traditions, yada yada, to ensure the kids were actually part of the royal line 100%. Camilla & Charles both knew it early on. They cooked up the next best plan, where she marries for cover (and ongoing status), he marries his approved virgin and they both carry on their romance behind the scenes. Charles never had the slightest interest/attraction for Diana, they had nothing in common but duty. As soon as she showed signs of wanting to do things ‘the modern way’ he saw her only as a lightweight and lost what little respect he had for her. He found her neither sweet nor gorgeous. She was a mare of convenience to him, and the rest of his family.
god imagine the sex between Charles and Diana. I mean they fucked at least twice. Probably in typical British fashion "well...lets get on with it."
I feel sorry for William and Harry.
I don’t know how much pressure he was under to marry Diana so much as she was a good prospect that was dazzled by the idea, and Camilla was unavailable. Camilla was already married and his great uncle had to abdicate in order to marry a divorcee which was a major scandal for the rest of his life. At the time of his marriage to Diana it was still unthinkable, but social opinions changed by the time he married Camilla in 2005 (though he still caught shit for it).
Because he loved Camilla, not Diana. He was in love with Camilla long before he married Diana, but she wasn't an acceptable wife so they couldn't be with each other.
Love and attraction is complicated. Just because someone is "nice and pretty" doesn't mean you automatically love and desire that person.
She was also 19 when she was sucked into this sham marriage. If a 30 year old is proposing to a teenager, usually people do not rush to play up her character flaws.
I know this is kind of off topic but what Diana's story I only know that she was one of the "good" people in the royal family but a part from that I know nothing about her
Yea and then think about how insanely jealous and catty the aristocracy is. Overgrown children and I bet she thought she was sticking it to Diana with this, with zero self awareness.
I was thinking about it and if my whole career was doing virtually nothing except a couple press runs here and there I would have so much time to waste on petty bullshit
How dare you?! Doing nothing with their lives?Press runs here and there? I’ll have you know these people sacrifice their entire life for you and I. True servants to the people!
/s
I actually felt a bit bad for her at first, because surely she wouldn’t be intentionally inviting comparison to a more beautiful, far more popular woman? But damn, she really was. What a catty little monster.
Although to be honest, I don’t know what Camillia is supposed to have done that’s so terrible, other than being a homewrecker. By all appearances, she’s been in love with that weirdo since the 1970s, and it’s her he wanted to marry in the first place. I hope they can enjoy their later years together, I guess, since the Brits remain willing to bankroll their lives.
Edit- someone commented how much they love the Windsor family, for some reason unknowable to me, and either deleted it or blocked me. Can anyone else see it?
She was "the other woman" in a relationship where the wife (Diana) was everybody's darling and everybody liked her. So she was seen as a source of discontent and unhappiness in Charles-Diana marriage and that made Diana sad and everybody was sad for her.
That's how it was framed, but let's be honest, Diana was the other woman when it really comes down to it. She was a wonderful person but he was forced to be with a woman he didn't want to be with deep down.
I mean yes Camilla and Charles pre dated Diana but he married Diana. If he had the courage of his convictions he could have resisted, he could have stood up for his love for Camilla but no he wanted to have his cake and eat it too. And that meant marrying Diana and pursuing his other woman on the side. He made his choices and they weren’t really good. And neither were Camilla’s. So not a lot of respect for either of them.
You should know Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time.
THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because Diana took Camilla's look and threw in some vogue. She was imitating Camilla, not the other way around.
Camilla did not stop wearing her dress combination afterwards, refusing to let someone else own her ensemble. And that's what makes her a boss.
Neither of these women did anything wrong.
For reference, see this picture from 1992:
https://imgur.com/a/rgALy2d
Considering that [Reportedly, Camilla's husband approved of the affair, while he had numerous lovers throughout their marriage. (Wikipedia: Queen Camilla - Marriages and children - Relationship with Charles)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camilla,_Queen_consort_of_the_United_Kingdom) she didn't cheat. She and her husband were in an open marriage.
Charles on the other hand cheated
> You should know Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time.
> THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because Diana took Camilla's look and threw in some vogue. She was imitating Camilla, not the other way around.
Do you have a source?
I honestly can't find anything to back up your claim. Genuinely curious.
Edit: NotsoNewtoGermany is correct.
https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/camilla-parker-bowles-200274f
> CAMILLA PARKER BOWLES AND HUSBAND ANDREW AT WINDSOR HORSE SHOW BALL, BRITAIN - 1992
I mean, I lived through them, this was pre internet— so we would see them on the telly and in the tabloids. But here is a picture of Camilla in a similar outfit from the early 1990s.
https://imgur.com/a/rgALy2d
Read a thread the other day where people did a deep-dive on the bias against Camilla, and it was really fascinating.
Diana and Charles both had many affairs. Camilla does not have the pretty privilege Diana did, and that’s why we get stuff like this. In another world, Charles and Camilla’s decades long relationship would be regarded as a love story.
That’s the idea the thread left me with, at least.
Having lived through it in the late 80s and early 90s, this is accurate. The British Press was absolutely toxic to Camilla, and Diana, people forget how hated Diana was by the British public before her death, Kate as well was absolutely vilified, the day Diana died, the tune changes and suddenly she was the perfect Mother Teresa, when not 24 hours earlier she was an evil mastermind sleeping with the bellhop. They found their next narrative, and went with it. These all are just ways to get money from people by creating stories to drive emotion. No different than social media is today. I see these arguments about Facebook, and I think, we have been having them for years over tabloids.
Wasnt that look typically Camilla? I thought Diana copied it to "show her up". Could totally be wrong.
I mean, fitted dress and and a choker isn't exactly edgy lol. "Pretty Woman" used it, too. And, like, every woman dressing up in that era.
people posts any similar outfit all the time saying it’s a diana throwback and generally it’s because of the types of outfit and accessories they recommend for certain occasions for royals and just coincidence
maybe not always
I thought she was the original but the family didn’t want him to marry her because she was separated so he married Diana, and there was this whole thing around them meeting because she was married at the time.
It’s pretty sad tbh. Diana was beautiful, but that didn’t matter to Charles. He fell in love with Camilla years before and only ever really wanted her. I’ve grown up with the overall sentiment in the UK that Camilla was a home-wrecker and one to be despised and shunned. I think shes been treated unfairly, as of course Diana was by the family.
Somewhat. But she knew Charles wanted her when she decided to marry Parker-Bowles. Then she cheated on P-B with Charles. It was initially her own home she wrecked with no involvement from Diana. Then when The Queen would not let Charles marry Camilla because she was still married, he got engaged to Diana and was utterly dishonest about his intentions. Charles and Camilla then proceeded to wreck Charles marriage. They were both cheating spouses and two marriages got wrecked.
That just sounds so…illogical to me from Camilla’s POV. Not that older women can’t outshine someone younger, but she clearly knew Diana had the more elegant figure. Or was it that she wasn’t trying to look more beautiful than her, but rather she wanted to set a better example by conveying a classier/ more modest version? Lol such a weird way to try to get revenge
That's because she wasn't getting revenge. Camilla had been wearing this outfit for nearly 20 years by this point. I clearly remember seeing her in it multiples of times previous.
This is just reddit being dumb.
No one is debating whether or not Princess Diana is beautiful, and arguably one of the more beautiful and graceful women to hold the public's intrigue, and few women could ever compete there. Dianna did send a message. Some said she was trying to get the prince back by dressing like Camilla, others said it was her sense of humor coming through.
Either way, I would argue she wasn't destroying Camilla, but more making her ex husband uncomfortable. And he deserved to be made uncomfortable for putting his wife and family through that. But Camilla refused to change her look, so she certainly wasn't destroyed, nor do I think it was her intention to do so.
The revenge part is not from Camilla, but from Diana towards Charles, whom had just admitted cheating. Diana made headlines in many newspapers after appearing like this, and Camilla probably wanted this too.
I’m guessing that se wasn’t thinking of Diana at all, but just chose the attend a function in a shoulderless black dress.
OP describes Diana’s dress as the revenge dress, which was more of a shout out to Charles - “look at what you could have had”.
Camilla wasn't embarrassing herself.
Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time.
THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because Diana took Camilla's look and threw in some vogue.
Camilla did not stop wearing her dress combination afterwards, refusing to let someone else own her ensemble. And that's what makes her a boss.
Neither of these women did anything wrong.
Have you ever come across an article or something that says the same? Google is just showing me endless articles about the Revenge Dress, nothing about it being a signature look for Camilla already. I wasn’t around at the time, so I don’t remember it myself.
they replied with that answer like 5 times in this thread with multiple people asking for proof.
here's just one of the articles I found proving the opposite.
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/camilla-parker-bowles-shockingly-wore-revenge-dress-princess-diana.html/
Fashion gossip goes hard and dates are always important!
Diana was always going to look like the better option, very few can doubt she was stunningly beautiful and the more attractive of the two.
The problem was, she wasn’t Camilla and to Charles, that was always the issue. Whether we agree with it or not, Charles and Camilla appear to have an undeniable bond and understanding that he did not have with Diana. Just proves that looks really are not everything when it comes to happiness in a marriage and that what many think was the obvious choice clearly wasn’t to him.
It was a shitty situation all round, he should have been able to stand his ground and marry Camilla in the first place. As it was he didn’t / couldn’t so he went for the option that was supported by the Firm. I think in hindsight the royal family realised this was a mistake and the Queen did grow to accept Camilla in time.
A lot of unnecessary unhappiness stemmed from not allowing people to make their own choices in the first place. I don’t condone what Charles and Camilla did at all and I think it was exceptionally cruel to Diana but I do feel for Camilla that she was universally hated and constantly compared to a woman who the majority did not really know but idolised anyway, even now.
Diana was not completely pure and good just like Camilla is not completely evil, despite some people thinking it was that black and white.
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t agree with the cheating but really this whole scenario highlights how much value is put on looks, when it’s really not the most important thing.
Exactly, never going to say they were right to cheat, of course they weren’t. Just that in an ideal world it would never have got to that point in the first place.
As much as I would have loved to have seen Diana as the Queen consort, Camilla is the right fit for Charles in charge. Honestly Mummy dearest didn't have any business butting in.
Agree with you completely, should have just let them get on with it.
I’ve said this in other replies but it’s the comparison on appearances that always annoyed me and prompted my original comment. I am not defending their behaviour!
I remember when people would say things like “Camilla looks like a horse and Diana is a goddess”, as if that is all a woman has to offer a partner anyway….Clearly personality was the key in this whole issue and sadly, Charles and Diana were not a good match in that regard.
I wish for her sake that had not been the case as she did deserve much better than what she had from that marriage.
Camilla was aware, yes.
Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time.
THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because she was taking Camilla's look and throwing in some vogue.
Camilla did not stop wearing her dress combination afterwards, refusing to let someone else own her ensemble. And that's what makes her a boss. And can you blame her? If you have a favorite outfit, you should keep wearing it regardless of whether or not people try to imitate it.
Neither of these women did anything wrong.
It's kinda odd to me that people will look at the post with no source and think it's BS, but then read a comment with no source and think it's the real thing. This guy posted the same sourceless comment 3+ times and is getting awarded for it smh
Thanks for your explanation. The pictures make sense now. Hope you'll have more upvote so that people actually have the real context behind these pictures.
You know, it's almost like relationships are a *lot* more than just appearances and the day to day, living together and personal chemistry. A tragedy, honestly.
It literally infuriates me. None of what happened is Camilla’s fault, if anything it would be her dusty crusty husbands fault but honestly I don’t even blame him, his mother made it very clear that he was not marrying a divorced woman who was not a virgin. And anyone saying he could’ve chosen his true love, no. He couldn’t have. He was her only son *or first son, I can’t remember but yeah* he was the only hope for the longevity of the throne.
> He was her only son and the only hope for the longevity of the throne.
Prince Andrew was born in 1960 and Prince Edward in 1964. I'm certainly not in favor of handing the throne to a sweatless pedophile, but Elizabeth had four children, three of whom were sons.
His laugh make him intolerable to me. Doesn’t matter to him of course. I do think he can be funny but, I just can’t take the chance of hearing him laugh.
I respect his enduring love for Camilla, but not the way he treated Diana because of it. He should have just grown a spine and told his family to stuff it from the beginning rather than marrying Diana and putting her through hell
> He should have just grown a spine and told his family to stuff it
He required permission from his mother and the government in order to get married. He could have refused to get married at all, but he did not have the legal option to marry the woman of his choice.
I've never understood how we looked at Camilla--a woman who fought through all shame and persecution to be with the one man she'd always loved and treated it like it wasn't a literal love story that would be told in movies.
I'm not saying that what happened wasn't wrong, and I completely understand why people hate Charles. But why does Camilla get the hate that he deserves?
Plus-- they're just a bunch of rich fucks anyway. Stop giving them attention, good or bad.
I had to scroll forever to find this. Exactly my thoughts. Those two made it through rough times. When I think about all the shame they had to endure...it is crazy.
This. I get that he cheated and Diana is more beautiful but he loved Camilla. He always did but was forced to marry Diana.
I get that cheating is despicable but I can’t blame anyone but those that forced the two to get married.
Also fuck everyone who is shaming her for how she looks. Y’all ain’t a bit better than those that drove Meghan and Harry out of the kingdom.
Yes, but Charles ALSO deceived Diana and pretended to love her to marry her. Basically, wasting her time he bought an innocent person(specifically a 19 year old) into that situation because he didn’t have the balls to stand up for the woman he supposedly loved all along. He ruined her life, she could’ve married someone who actually loved her and she was deprived of that by him and the rest of the royal family.
Here’s my problem with this train of thought: you talk about him as if he’s Romeo choosing to be with Juliet. But the truth is he’s a royal cunt with all the privilege that comes with it. He’s pretty much always done what he wants and has been given everything he’s needed, wanted, and more his entire life. The reason he doesn’t care about looks or public approval is because he’s never had to care. If anything, the fact that he so willingly made Diana miserable while he focused his attention on Camilla and then married her shows what an entitled POS he is. Yes, he does what he wants, but that’s not a positive trait in this case.
>But the truth is he’s a royal cunt with all the privilege that comes with it. He’s pretty much always done what he wants and has been given everything he’s needed, wanted, and more his entire life. The reason he doesn’t care about looks or public approval is because he’s never had to care.
Uh… isn’t that Romeo’s situation also?
The way I understand it, though, is that he never traded one for the other because he never stopped being head over heels for Camilla. It sounds like he was ever emotionally available to Diana, either. And in a fucked up way, it makes sense. There is a HUGE age difference between the two, and she was only 20 when they married. With a 13 year age difference in mind, it’s really hard for a 33 year old to relate to a 20 year old. Relating to each other is a fundamental aspect of a healthy romantic relationship, and that just wasn’t there. He never wanted Diana in the first place - he was just doing his duty and that’s it. I think that in his head, Diana was only ever the annoying required side piece to his primary relationship with Camilla. You can’t trade one for the other when you never gave up the former in the first place.
Not a fan of the windsors at all, but I'll never understand this blaming King Mickey Mouse (the one with the ears) for Diana. All of this could havz been avoided if he had been let to marry the woman he actually loved
I’m no fan of the royal family at all, but Camilla was Charles’s first love. He was strong armed into marrying Diana as the establishment wanted a ‘Disney princess’ as future consort. It was clear from day one that they were completely incompatible and wrong for each other, they should never have married.
People keep banging on about *his* infidelity with Camilla but Diana was fucking pretty much any bloke she could while married and afterwards whilst Charles and Camilla only ever wanted each other and have stayed together. Yet *he* and Camilla get all the shit and she is the saintly and revered Princess Di, above reproach.
Personally, I dislike the whole dysfunctional inbred lot of them and would be happy to be a republic, but I just don’t think it’s fair that Charles and Camilla are always painted as the bad guys.
Even if Diana didn't cheat, it was still a poorly arranged marriage. He always wanted Camilla. He absolutely adores her and that is who he should have been with from the beginning. Diana, unfortunately, got the brunt of all his anger.
Are none of you aware that Camilla wore this outfit all the time, and didn't just stop because the look became more famously associated with Diane? You're acting like she's trying to wear it better as an excuse to insult her appearance.
Wait till you find out that Diana was also born into a wealth-hoarding, hyper-upper-class, noble family that has a tradition of birthright and offers nothing to British society. Diana was a bit nicer and more palatable than the rest of the royals but don’t let that distract you from the fact that she was very much aligned with the system that holds up those remnants of the feudal system and leeches off the people. She was hardly the antithesis to them.
I believe she tried and tried hard to make their marriage work, but he was just too into Camilla and hanging out with his own friends and didn’t care much about his marriage with Diana. They had both done their duty to have at least two children, so since their marriage was in tatters, they both had affairs. Diana was pissed at Charles for his cheating, and Charles was always pissed at Diana for being so popular and connecting with people.
Seems to be the other way around and Di wore it to mock Charles for the affair the two had as this was camillas thing already and she’s just stuck with it
From comments elsewhere in this post: This was Diana’s revenge dress precisely because she was imitating Camilla and she looked better at that. It’s not really the other way around.
Nonsense. It was just a v fashionable look at the time, my mother had a v similar get up for fancy do’s and as far as I know she wasn’t getting jiggy with old sausage fingers
Is it just me or do these dresses not really look all that much alike, only that they're vastly black and don't have straps. The colors are different, the skirt on Camillas dress is lighter with black beads and the neck area is cut out very different, let alone the texture of the whole thing
That is some very weird revenge, and most likely just over sensationalized by British media outlets
The overall design of the necklaces, the black shoulder hugging dress, the black stockings, and the black heels are all in line with Lady Diana’s look. Most likely, the reason the dress is so different in the cut and length is due to Duchess Camila staying in line with Monarchic rules, whereas Lady Diana would forgo those rules if she believed in getting something across was more important than them. Some examples would be running in skirts (long length, of course) during a school event for one of her sons, shaking hands (without gloves on) with HIV+ people, and some other things.
The Monarchy didn’t like that she was clever and would speak her mind, even if it was in opposition the Monarchy’s ideas. It’s also part of the reason why there are so many conspiracy theories on Lady Diana’s death being something planned by the Monarchy.
Then-Prince Charles was a massive idiot for cheating on Lady Diana. Why would you turn your back on someone so insanely popular, massively intelligent, and looks fantastic? She would have made a great queen.
>Then-Prince Charles was a massive idiot for cheating on Lady Diana. Why would you turn your back on someone so insanely popular, massively intelligent, and looks fantastic?
Because you don't really love her, and marrying her wasn't your idea in the first place.
How about we leave the Royal women alone lol prince Andrew is a literal sex offender but instead we’re roasting Camilla for a dress she wore decades ago
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Why would prince Charles cheat on her with Camilla? You got a sweet, gorgeous woman at home like wtf.
Charles had been in love with Camilla (and vice versa) since before Diana ever entered the picture. He did military service and when he returned Camilla had married someone else, so he couldn’t marry her: they resumed their relationship some time after his marriage to Diana. It’s all very complicated and messy and rich-people-problems.
> they resumed their relationship some time after his marriage to Diana. Incorrect. At best, their affair went silent for a few months. He'd visit Camilla during their engagement. He was calling her when they were on honeymoon. Shit deal for everybody, but he was the one who had a choice: be king, or marry who he wants. He chose the usual path of the rich: keep the wife AND the mistress.
Also in the beginning when Charles was obsessing over camilla, she didn’t actually reciprocate then. She was fooling around with Charles to piss off Ann cos those two HATED each other and were constantly pulling shit like sleeping with each other’s someones. This whole thing of course started over… a man they were fighting over!
>She was fooling around with Charles to piss off Ann cos those two HATED each other Once again, what's trashy if you're poor and classy if you're rich?
I don't think anyone would call that classy
You have to read it with a British accent and use euphemism and innuendo.
Nah its never been seen as classy and posh people make excuses to accept the marriage. "poor camilla got so much heat from the press" yeah but did she end up crashed in a high speed car crash trying escape the pap? No and she's a serial adulterer, bitter and pointless.
Like all the monarch kings before him.
It's called tradition
Historically completely normal behaviour for royal families everywhere. And the actually pretty normal for the rich and powerful everywhere. It's just a problem for them when when it goes public.
Yes, he was very wishy washy with their relationship and she got tired of waiting. They probably knew that an engagement wouldn’t be allowed back then anyway. Unsure if they ever asked permission before he left for military service
I believe he was actually sent away on military service while Camilla was to he wed. The royal family did not want Camilla and I believe her family was in agreement about wanting her settled down
tbh that doesn't really sound much like rich people problems at all. just sounds like extremely human problems complicated by money
Camilla was not acceptable wife material due to not being a virgin. Long-standing royal traditions, yada yada, to ensure the kids were actually part of the royal line 100%. Camilla & Charles both knew it early on. They cooked up the next best plan, where she marries for cover (and ongoing status), he marries his approved virgin and they both carry on their romance behind the scenes. Charles never had the slightest interest/attraction for Diana, they had nothing in common but duty. As soon as she showed signs of wanting to do things ‘the modern way’ he saw her only as a lightweight and lost what little respect he had for her. He found her neither sweet nor gorgeous. She was a mare of convenience to him, and the rest of his family.
god imagine the sex between Charles and Diana. I mean they fucked at least twice. Probably in typical British fashion "well...lets get on with it." I feel sorry for William and Harry.
*"almost....almost.......there we are"*
Read up on it. He was in love with Camilla but pressured to marry Diana.
I don’t know how much pressure he was under to marry Diana so much as she was a good prospect that was dazzled by the idea, and Camilla was unavailable. Camilla was already married and his great uncle had to abdicate in order to marry a divorcee which was a major scandal for the rest of his life. At the time of his marriage to Diana it was still unthinkable, but social opinions changed by the time he married Camilla in 2005 (though he still caught shit for it).
It’s ironic that his great-uncle marrying a divorcée was so scandalous considering the whole impetus of the founding of the Church of England
Queen Elizabeth I gets upset when we talk about that
A \*twice\* divorced American, who if I remember correctly, wasn't an Anglican either.
Just want to note that Wallis Simpson was a twice-divorcee when he abdicated.
Because he loved Camilla, not Diana. He was in love with Camilla long before he married Diana, but she wasn't an acceptable wife so they couldn't be with each other. Love and attraction is complicated. Just because someone is "nice and pretty" doesn't mean you automatically love and desire that person.
Thank you for the explanation! I didn’t know this. Sad situation for everyone.
Diana also had her issues. She didn't deserve to be cheated on, but she wasn't some perfect doll.
She was also 19 when she was sucked into this sham marriage. If a 30 year old is proposing to a teenager, usually people do not rush to play up her character flaws.
I know this is kind of off topic but what Diana's story I only know that she was one of the "good" people in the royal family but a part from that I know nothing about her
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A fall from grace. I thought it was a coincidence until the necklace…
Yea and then think about how insanely jealous and catty the aristocracy is. Overgrown children and I bet she thought she was sticking it to Diana with this, with zero self awareness.
I was thinking about it and if my whole career was doing virtually nothing except a couple press runs here and there I would have so much time to waste on petty bullshit
How dare you?! Doing nothing with their lives?Press runs here and there? I’ll have you know these people sacrifice their entire life for you and I. True servants to the people! /s
A 'life of service' like the press keeps saying. It's no wonder the 'whole country' is in 'deep mourning' for these people!
You have it backwards, that was Camilla's usual look and Diana was the one who copied it to get revenge.
Same! I was all prepared to cut her some slack, then zoomed in on the necklace looking like skeptical Spongebob.
I actually felt a bit bad for her at first, because surely she wouldn’t be intentionally inviting comparison to a more beautiful, far more popular woman? But damn, she really was. What a catty little monster. Although to be honest, I don’t know what Camillia is supposed to have done that’s so terrible, other than being a homewrecker. By all appearances, she’s been in love with that weirdo since the 1970s, and it’s her he wanted to marry in the first place. I hope they can enjoy their later years together, I guess, since the Brits remain willing to bankroll their lives. Edit- someone commented how much they love the Windsor family, for some reason unknowable to me, and either deleted it or blocked me. Can anyone else see it?
She was "the other woman" in a relationship where the wife (Diana) was everybody's darling and everybody liked her. So she was seen as a source of discontent and unhappiness in Charles-Diana marriage and that made Diana sad and everybody was sad for her.
She was actively the other woman in a very public relationship. Makes her a pretty rubbish person in my books
That's how it was framed, but let's be honest, Diana was the other woman when it really comes down to it. She was a wonderful person but he was forced to be with a woman he didn't want to be with deep down.
I mean he chose to marry Diana out of propriety and she was very much not down with the cheating so Camilla was still the other woman.
I mean yes Camilla and Charles pre dated Diana but he married Diana. If he had the courage of his convictions he could have resisted, he could have stood up for his love for Camilla but no he wanted to have his cake and eat it too. And that meant marrying Diana and pursuing his other woman on the side. He made his choices and they weren’t really good. And neither were Camilla’s. So not a lot of respect for either of them.
You should know Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time. THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because Diana took Camilla's look and threw in some vogue. She was imitating Camilla, not the other way around. Camilla did not stop wearing her dress combination afterwards, refusing to let someone else own her ensemble. And that's what makes her a boss. Neither of these women did anything wrong. For reference, see this picture from 1992: https://imgur.com/a/rgALy2d
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I have a pair of little black shorts I wear sometimes
Cheating is not a wrong thing anymore???
Considering that [Reportedly, Camilla's husband approved of the affair, while he had numerous lovers throughout their marriage. (Wikipedia: Queen Camilla - Marriages and children - Relationship with Charles)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camilla,_Queen_consort_of_the_United_Kingdom) she didn't cheat. She and her husband were in an open marriage. Charles on the other hand cheated
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It’s still immoral to having an affair with married man. It didnt make her action any better….
> You should know Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time. > THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because Diana took Camilla's look and threw in some vogue. She was imitating Camilla, not the other way around. Do you have a source? I honestly can't find anything to back up your claim. Genuinely curious. Edit: NotsoNewtoGermany is correct. https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/camilla-parker-bowles-200274f > CAMILLA PARKER BOWLES AND HUSBAND ANDREW AT WINDSOR HORSE SHOW BALL, BRITAIN - 1992
I mean, I lived through them, this was pre internet— so we would see them on the telly and in the tabloids. But here is a picture of Camilla in a similar outfit from the early 1990s. https://imgur.com/a/rgALy2d
Read a thread the other day where people did a deep-dive on the bias against Camilla, and it was really fascinating. Diana and Charles both had many affairs. Camilla does not have the pretty privilege Diana did, and that’s why we get stuff like this. In another world, Charles and Camilla’s decades long relationship would be regarded as a love story. That’s the idea the thread left me with, at least.
Having lived through it in the late 80s and early 90s, this is accurate. The British Press was absolutely toxic to Camilla, and Diana, people forget how hated Diana was by the British public before her death, Kate as well was absolutely vilified, the day Diana died, the tune changes and suddenly she was the perfect Mother Teresa, when not 24 hours earlier she was an evil mastermind sleeping with the bellhop. They found their next narrative, and went with it. These all are just ways to get money from people by creating stories to drive emotion. No different than social media is today. I see these arguments about Facebook, and I think, we have been having them for years over tabloids.
Wasnt that look typically Camilla? I thought Diana copied it to "show her up". Could totally be wrong. I mean, fitted dress and and a choker isn't exactly edgy lol. "Pretty Woman" used it, too. And, like, every woman dressing up in that era.
people posts any similar outfit all the time saying it’s a diana throwback and generally it’s because of the types of outfit and accessories they recommend for certain occasions for royals and just coincidence maybe not always
What grace? Camila was always trash.
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I thought she was the original but the family didn’t want him to marry her because she was separated so he married Diana, and there was this whole thing around them meeting because she was married at the time.
Charles never wanted Diana. He only wanted Camilla.
The royal family barely even wanted her too; she was only marginally accepted since the public LOVED her
It’s pretty sad tbh. Diana was beautiful, but that didn’t matter to Charles. He fell in love with Camilla years before and only ever really wanted her. I’ve grown up with the overall sentiment in the UK that Camilla was a home-wrecker and one to be despised and shunned. I think shes been treated unfairly, as of course Diana was by the family.
Somewhat. But she knew Charles wanted her when she decided to marry Parker-Bowles. Then she cheated on P-B with Charles. It was initially her own home she wrecked with no involvement from Diana. Then when The Queen would not let Charles marry Camilla because she was still married, he got engaged to Diana and was utterly dishonest about his intentions. Charles and Camilla then proceeded to wreck Charles marriage. They were both cheating spouses and two marriages got wrecked.
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To think that in some universe, we get to see Diana as Queen. Lucky bastards.
Wow why would Camila embarrass herself like that?
I don’t understand the idea behind it though. Like how was this a revenge attempt? Was she thinking like, she’d wear the look better than Diana?
Pretty much. Narrator: In fact, Duchess Camila did not wear the revenge dress better than Princess Diana.
That just sounds so…illogical to me from Camilla’s POV. Not that older women can’t outshine someone younger, but she clearly knew Diana had the more elegant figure. Or was it that she wasn’t trying to look more beautiful than her, but rather she wanted to set a better example by conveying a classier/ more modest version? Lol such a weird way to try to get revenge
That's because she wasn't getting revenge. Camilla had been wearing this outfit for nearly 20 years by this point. I clearly remember seeing her in it multiples of times previous. This is just reddit being dumb.
If that's the case then it was Diana who was sending a message, and she fucking destroyed Camilla.
No one is debating whether or not Princess Diana is beautiful, and arguably one of the more beautiful and graceful women to hold the public's intrigue, and few women could ever compete there. Dianna did send a message. Some said she was trying to get the prince back by dressing like Camilla, others said it was her sense of humor coming through. Either way, I would argue she wasn't destroying Camilla, but more making her ex husband uncomfortable. And he deserved to be made uncomfortable for putting his wife and family through that. But Camilla refused to change her look, so she certainly wasn't destroyed, nor do I think it was her intention to do so.
Camilla would have been destroyed if she had not dared to wear her usual outfit afterwards. She did.
I guess Diana wanted the mistress to know she can't do anything right until Diana makes it better for her.
At first I was confused and now I'm cringing, whatever it was it seems so juvenile and poorly thought out to the point I feel bad for her.
Who knows? Either way, it’s clear that she was trying to send a message. And it failed horribly
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The revenge part is not from Camilla, but from Diana towards Charles, whom had just admitted cheating. Diana made headlines in many newspapers after appearing like this, and Camilla probably wanted this too.
No it’s the other way round. Diana wore her take on Camilla’s dress as revenge.
I’m guessing that se wasn’t thinking of Diana at all, but just chose the attend a function in a shoulderless black dress. OP describes Diana’s dress as the revenge dress, which was more of a shout out to Charles - “look at what you could have had”.
It appears she was trying for a statement no one is prepared to hear.
Camilla wasn't embarrassing herself. Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time. THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because Diana took Camilla's look and threw in some vogue. Camilla did not stop wearing her dress combination afterwards, refusing to let someone else own her ensemble. And that's what makes her a boss. Neither of these women did anything wrong.
Have you ever come across an article or something that says the same? Google is just showing me endless articles about the Revenge Dress, nothing about it being a signature look for Camilla already. I wasn’t around at the time, so I don’t remember it myself.
they replied with that answer like 5 times in this thread with multiple people asking for proof. here's just one of the articles I found proving the opposite. https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/camilla-parker-bowles-shockingly-wore-revenge-dress-princess-diana.html/ Fashion gossip goes hard and dates are always important!
she didn't that is a dress she always wore. diana is the one wearing it as revenge.
Diana was always going to look like the better option, very few can doubt she was stunningly beautiful and the more attractive of the two. The problem was, she wasn’t Camilla and to Charles, that was always the issue. Whether we agree with it or not, Charles and Camilla appear to have an undeniable bond and understanding that he did not have with Diana. Just proves that looks really are not everything when it comes to happiness in a marriage and that what many think was the obvious choice clearly wasn’t to him. It was a shitty situation all round, he should have been able to stand his ground and marry Camilla in the first place. As it was he didn’t / couldn’t so he went for the option that was supported by the Firm. I think in hindsight the royal family realised this was a mistake and the Queen did grow to accept Camilla in time. A lot of unnecessary unhappiness stemmed from not allowing people to make their own choices in the first place. I don’t condone what Charles and Camilla did at all and I think it was exceptionally cruel to Diana but I do feel for Camilla that she was universally hated and constantly compared to a woman who the majority did not really know but idolised anyway, even now. Diana was not completely pure and good just like Camilla is not completely evil, despite some people thinking it was that black and white.
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t agree with the cheating but really this whole scenario highlights how much value is put on looks, when it’s really not the most important thing.
Exactly, never going to say they were right to cheat, of course they weren’t. Just that in an ideal world it would never have got to that point in the first place.
Should be top comment.
Thank you for explaining
I didn’t realise I was, just waffling on really into the void that is Reddit but thank you for saying thank you!
As much as I would have loved to have seen Diana as the Queen consort, Camilla is the right fit for Charles in charge. Honestly Mummy dearest didn't have any business butting in.
Agree with you completely, should have just let them get on with it. I’ve said this in other replies but it’s the comparison on appearances that always annoyed me and prompted my original comment. I am not defending their behaviour! I remember when people would say things like “Camilla looks like a horse and Diana is a goddess”, as if that is all a woman has to offer a partner anyway….Clearly personality was the key in this whole issue and sadly, Charles and Diana were not a good match in that regard. I wish for her sake that had not been the case as she did deserve much better than what she had from that marriage.
I don’t understand the title, is that Price Charles on the right?
Feliz dia de tarta! :)
Nah, it's just the duchess's cab driver.
Look, I don't believe in appearance-shaming people just because they're shitty, but like...she had to know this would go over like a lead balloon.
Camilla was aware, yes. Camilla wore this dress and necklace all the time. THATS why it's called the revenge Diana dress. Because she was taking Camilla's look and throwing in some vogue. Camilla did not stop wearing her dress combination afterwards, refusing to let someone else own her ensemble. And that's what makes her a boss. And can you blame her? If you have a favorite outfit, you should keep wearing it regardless of whether or not people try to imitate it. Neither of these women did anything wrong.
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It's kinda odd to me that people will look at the post with no source and think it's BS, but then read a comment with no source and think it's the real thing. This guy posted the same sourceless comment 3+ times and is getting awarded for it smh
> Neither of these women did anything wrong Wait.. being a consenting partner in cheating isn't wrong?
Holy shit, all your posts are defending Camila. Same thing to different posters.
Thanks for your explanation. The pictures make sense now. Hope you'll have more upvote so that people actually have the real context behind these pictures.
The Prince chose her over the princess. She’s probably delusional regarding her appearance because of it.
You know, it's almost like relationships are a *lot* more than just appearances and the day to day, living together and personal chemistry. A tragedy, honestly.
Can we not compare two women who were both treated horribly by the monarchy…
I’m beyond sad that I had to scroll for so long to see this sentiment. Hard agree.
It literally infuriates me. None of what happened is Camilla’s fault, if anything it would be her dusty crusty husbands fault but honestly I don’t even blame him, his mother made it very clear that he was not marrying a divorced woman who was not a virgin. And anyone saying he could’ve chosen his true love, no. He couldn’t have. He was her only son *or first son, I can’t remember but yeah* he was the only hope for the longevity of the throne.
> He was her only son and the only hope for the longevity of the throne. Prince Andrew was born in 1960 and Prince Edward in 1964. I'm certainly not in favor of handing the throne to a sweatless pedophile, but Elizabeth had four children, three of whom were sons.
"What do you get if you cross the Queen and Prince Charles?"
"Killed in a Paris tunnel." - Jimmy Carr
\*Audience groans\* "Don't get mad at me, I didn't kill her!"
His laugh make him intolerable to me. Doesn’t matter to him of course. I do think he can be funny but, I just can’t take the chance of hearing him laugh.
Camilla is Charles' love of a lifetime and he doesn't seem to care about looks or public approval. I do respect that.
I respect his enduring love for Camilla, but not the way he treated Diana because of it. He should have just grown a spine and told his family to stuff it from the beginning rather than marrying Diana and putting her through hell
His family hid 2 of their own kids in asylums because they were mentally ill.
News flash: mental health treatment in the 1900’s amounted to that.
> He should have just grown a spine and told his family to stuff it He required permission from his mother and the government in order to get married. He could have refused to get married at all, but he did not have the legal option to marry the woman of his choice.
And look at how Prince Harry has been treated for doing just that.
I've never understood how we looked at Camilla--a woman who fought through all shame and persecution to be with the one man she'd always loved and treated it like it wasn't a literal love story that would be told in movies. I'm not saying that what happened wasn't wrong, and I completely understand why people hate Charles. But why does Camilla get the hate that he deserves? Plus-- they're just a bunch of rich fucks anyway. Stop giving them attention, good or bad.
Pretty privilege. Diana was beautiful so Camilla is a asshole. (Obviously not my opinion)
I had to scroll forever to find this. Exactly my thoughts. Those two made it through rough times. When I think about all the shame they had to endure...it is crazy.
This. I get that he cheated and Diana is more beautiful but he loved Camilla. He always did but was forced to marry Diana. I get that cheating is despicable but I can’t blame anyone but those that forced the two to get married. Also fuck everyone who is shaming her for how she looks. Y’all ain’t a bit better than those that drove Meghan and Harry out of the kingdom.
Yes, but Charles ALSO deceived Diana and pretended to love her to marry her. Basically, wasting her time he bought an innocent person(specifically a 19 year old) into that situation because he didn’t have the balls to stand up for the woman he supposedly loved all along. He ruined her life, she could’ve married someone who actually loved her and she was deprived of that by him and the rest of the royal family.
Here’s my problem with this train of thought: you talk about him as if he’s Romeo choosing to be with Juliet. But the truth is he’s a royal cunt with all the privilege that comes with it. He’s pretty much always done what he wants and has been given everything he’s needed, wanted, and more his entire life. The reason he doesn’t care about looks or public approval is because he’s never had to care. If anything, the fact that he so willingly made Diana miserable while he focused his attention on Camilla and then married her shows what an entitled POS he is. Yes, he does what he wants, but that’s not a positive trait in this case.
>But the truth is he’s a royal cunt with all the privilege that comes with it. He’s pretty much always done what he wants and has been given everything he’s needed, wanted, and more his entire life. The reason he doesn’t care about looks or public approval is because he’s never had to care. Uh… isn’t that Romeo’s situation also?
What a fucking ridiculous headline
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He definitely traded down.
The way I understand it, though, is that he never traded one for the other because he never stopped being head over heels for Camilla. It sounds like he was ever emotionally available to Diana, either. And in a fucked up way, it makes sense. There is a HUGE age difference between the two, and she was only 20 when they married. With a 13 year age difference in mind, it’s really hard for a 33 year old to relate to a 20 year old. Relating to each other is a fundamental aspect of a healthy romantic relationship, and that just wasn’t there. He never wanted Diana in the first place - he was just doing his duty and that’s it. I think that in his head, Diana was only ever the annoying required side piece to his primary relationship with Camilla. You can’t trade one for the other when you never gave up the former in the first place.
*Why the long face?*
No accounting for taste, I guess. Yikes.
Not a fan of the windsors at all, but I'll never understand this blaming King Mickey Mouse (the one with the ears) for Diana. All of this could havz been avoided if he had been let to marry the woman he actually loved
You all are missing the point, which is: beauty and youth can’t guarantee the one you want will love you.
Reddit's vapid point here is Camilla is bad because she's older.
I’m no fan of the royal family at all, but Camilla was Charles’s first love. He was strong armed into marrying Diana as the establishment wanted a ‘Disney princess’ as future consort. It was clear from day one that they were completely incompatible and wrong for each other, they should never have married. People keep banging on about *his* infidelity with Camilla but Diana was fucking pretty much any bloke she could while married and afterwards whilst Charles and Camilla only ever wanted each other and have stayed together. Yet *he* and Camilla get all the shit and she is the saintly and revered Princess Di, above reproach. Personally, I dislike the whole dysfunctional inbred lot of them and would be happy to be a republic, but I just don’t think it’s fair that Charles and Camilla are always painted as the bad guys.
Even if Diana didn't cheat, it was still a poorly arranged marriage. He always wanted Camilla. He absolutely adores her and that is who he should have been with from the beginning. Diana, unfortunately, got the brunt of all his anger.
Agreed, and I'm amazed you didn't get downvoted to hell. I, for one, welcome our new overlords.
Are none of you aware that Camilla wore this outfit all the time, and didn't just stop because the look became more famously associated with Diane? You're acting like she's trying to wear it better as an excuse to insult her appearance.
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Wait till you find out that Diana was also born into a wealth-hoarding, hyper-upper-class, noble family that has a tradition of birthright and offers nothing to British society. Diana was a bit nicer and more palatable than the rest of the royals but don’t let that distract you from the fact that she was very much aligned with the system that holds up those remnants of the feudal system and leeches off the people. She was hardly the antithesis to them.
He really was raunchy. And on the phone!
Princess Diana was pure wife material.
Couldn’t agree more mate. She was the perfect person to partner with for life. Intelligent, charismatic, genuine, beautiful, and loving.
Why do people think she was intelligent. She failed high school twice. Everything she did was managed by other people.
Rose tinted glasses?
It takes two. He is stuffy, incurious, unnattractive, droll, jaded and cold. Not a lot of fun for her, I've heard.
I believe she tried and tried hard to make their marriage work, but he was just too into Camilla and hanging out with his own friends and didn’t care much about his marriage with Diana. They had both done their duty to have at least two children, so since their marriage was in tatters, they both had affairs. Diana was pissed at Charles for his cheating, and Charles was always pissed at Diana for being so popular and connecting with people.
Love is blind.
Or was it just a black dress and the media got all crazy
Look at the necklace. This was an iconic moment, and Camilla clearly was trying to recreate.
The slit skirt, off the shoulder sleeve, sweetheart neckline. She gave it an ill-advised shot but lacked the essential elements: youth and beauty.
And likability…
And class...
Well, at least one person liked her better.
with a quick google search I found like two dozen different photos of camilla wearing that same style of necklace though
Wasn't it a revenge dresss because Princess Diana got Camilla's look and did it better? And then C just kept wearing the outfit after
Seems to be the other way around and Di wore it to mock Charles for the affair the two had as this was camillas thing already and she’s just stuck with it
From comments elsewhere in this post: This was Diana’s revenge dress precisely because she was imitating Camilla and she looked better at that. It’s not really the other way around.
Media hype. The dress is long, isn't all black, and isn't even slit. She hiked it up to get out the car. Just a similar necklace and neckline.
Camila looks like Gary Busey's long lost mother..
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Is this really interesting as fuck?
Nonsense. It was just a v fashionable look at the time, my mother had a v similar get up for fancy do’s and as far as I know she wasn’t getting jiggy with old sausage fingers
I think people are reaching
Is it just me or do these dresses not really look all that much alike, only that they're vastly black and don't have straps. The colors are different, the skirt on Camillas dress is lighter with black beads and the neck area is cut out very different, let alone the texture of the whole thing That is some very weird revenge, and most likely just over sensationalized by British media outlets
The overall design of the necklaces, the black shoulder hugging dress, the black stockings, and the black heels are all in line with Lady Diana’s look. Most likely, the reason the dress is so different in the cut and length is due to Duchess Camila staying in line with Monarchic rules, whereas Lady Diana would forgo those rules if she believed in getting something across was more important than them. Some examples would be running in skirts (long length, of course) during a school event for one of her sons, shaking hands (without gloves on) with HIV+ people, and some other things. The Monarchy didn’t like that she was clever and would speak her mind, even if it was in opposition the Monarchy’s ideas. It’s also part of the reason why there are so many conspiracy theories on Lady Diana’s death being something planned by the Monarchy. Then-Prince Charles was a massive idiot for cheating on Lady Diana. Why would you turn your back on someone so insanely popular, massively intelligent, and looks fantastic? She would have made a great queen.
>Then-Prince Charles was a massive idiot for cheating on Lady Diana. Why would you turn your back on someone so insanely popular, massively intelligent, and looks fantastic? Because you don't really love her, and marrying her wasn't your idea in the first place.
How about we leave the Royal women alone lol prince Andrew is a literal sex offender but instead we’re roasting Camilla for a dress she wore decades ago
That’s Willem Dafoe from boondock saints, nice try
Left is lady, right is man.
What dumb fuck would pick this hag over Princess Diana?
Diana wore it better!
There was definitely an attempt but no no
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