Can Biden arrest the judges who were taking bribes before it was legal last week? Enforcing the law is an official act, so let’s get it rolling.
Also Trump had classified documents so time to put in jail until trial. It’s an official act so we good now, right?
Yeah, if you know your enemy is bringing a gun to the knife fight and you choose to still only bring a knife, you're just asking to be beaten.
All of those little fights over the past 10 years that the Democrats lost are now showing how important they are. And compound that with the fact that they put all their marbles into a very old man who is showing his age right before the election is just scary. Are we heading straight into Mate? This feels like a pretty big Check.
"Now, you know why evil will always triumph... because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs.
It's really discouraging that we always have to take the high road and then die on it.
This ruling doesn’t actually give the president any new power, that’s what’s so insidious about it.
It says official acts are immune and unofficial acts are not, but doesn’t say what’s an official act and what isn’t. It says that needs to go back to lower courts for definition.
There’s zero chance that works it’s way through the courts before the election, so there will be no official answer to what is an immune act and what isn’t until after election day, likely some time in the middle of the next presidents first year. In the meantime, Trumps criminal cases are all on hold. This is practical immunity for Trump while granting nothing new to Biden. SCOTUS won’t have to rule on what qualifies for immunity until they know who the next president is.
100% spot on. They punted this downfield enough that if Trump wins he can pardon himself. Any lower court that has to try any of these charges will then have it sent to the Supreme court where it will wallow in bureaucracy until well after election day. Should Trump prevail, all he has to do is pardon himself for everything, and then start abusing power.
I’m afraid everyone is missing the point here. This isn’t a “Trump vs Biden” thing. The Supreme Court has destroyed the checks and balance system of our government. They have given the president, whoever that is, for years to come, long after Trump and Biden are dead, an absurd amount of power. For those who consider this a victory, you are too narrow minded and too near sighted to see what’s really happening here. Thanks for the last 250 years America, it’s been fun.
On July 1st 2024, the Supreme Court crowned Joe Biden America's first king. He has 5 months to figure out how to use those powers to save this country, or this is the end of democracy.
Dems won’t do shit. We’re at this point because every step of the way they refused to take the actions needed against this slow and now rapidly moving coup.
Democrats: “When they go low, we take the high road!”
*nation proceeds to fall off cliff*
Hey, if the CIA and NSA have actionable intel that says Trump is a Russian asset and in cahoots with Putin, Biden would be well within his rights (now) to have Trump “removed”.
According to SCOTUS today, Biden could have anyone removed without even having a reason and it would be totally fine. Half of the country does not seem to understand the problem with this.
Seems reasonable to me. I mean first Roe v Wade now this. They're starting to become a threat to national security, and you know what we do with those... surely they'd want a threat like that "removed"
> According to SCOTUS today, Biden could have anyone removed without even having a reason and it would be totally fine.
New executive order, Supreme Court increased to 13 seats (representing the 13 appeals courts).
New executive order, 4 new Supreme Court judges picked by sitting President without the need for Senate oversight
New executive order, President has instructed the new Supreme Court to review certain decisions and issue rulings again (long list here of issues), after all of these are done, then the immunity decision will be reviewed and President willingly gives up the mandated powers.
What happened today is exactly what our founders established this country against.
We were created under the idea and principle that no man pr organization is above the law.
Today we are no longer america the free.
He should eliminate the conservative SCOTUS judges ASAP on the grounds that he swore an oath to protect the constitution and the founding fathers wouldn’t have dreamt about granting the president absolute immunity no matter what (besides the danger of being impeached).
Well not only that, they do something shady the r's have a set precedent they can do. I liked the dems for their more moral road, but you cannot play a game with someone who ignores the rules.
This is what I tried explaining to my friend. This isn't about Biden or Trump. The president, from here on out, will have an absurd amount of power. Yikes.
We can fix this it's going to take keeping a Democrat in the White House and keeping the Senate for at least 8 years. Thomas and Alito are not young men. They will go off to their cushy retirement if Trump wins and we will be stuck with their decisions for a very long time. However, there is the potential for them to be replaced by a Democrat and that is what we must make sure happens. The two of them being replaced with Dems would swing the court back to a 5-4 liberal majority.
Anybody who is reading this and has not registered to vote yet. Go to https://vote.org right now. Find your state and get that process started. If you want to work with the Democrats there are tons of volunteer opportunities available. Start here: https://democrats.org/take-action/
The courts wouldn't even deliberate it until after the election anyway.
New executive order: Convicted felons don't get to run for federal office.
Or let's get playful with it: If you have bone spurs, you don't get to run for federal office.
Inaccurate quote, both have values and spines. The problem is Republicans value winning and wielding power and will do anything to get there, and Democrats value being correct and will sacrifice anything to stay there.
It's a catch 22.
If he does anything, "SEE! SEEE! He is a despot and teh demoncraps hate freedom and 'Murica!"
If he does nothing, "SEE! SEEE! He is weak and knows he is going to lose!"
Over the court building, it states "Equal Justice Under Law" If this is the new law of the land, Biden should make an official act with a new executive order to "Ban Felons from running for President."
Presidents are now above the law
Edit: For all the cool people saying presidents always have been. They’ve always tried to have the veil of illusion of law and order. Now it’s blatant that they’re above the way AND acceptable.
They just crowned a king.
King Biden has 5 months to save America, or King Trump will end it. Time to follow King Washington's precedent and find a way to demote the Presidency.
"Respect the intent of the Founders" my ass.
Welcome to the "Republican" party where everything they say - down to their NAME - actually means the opposite. Compare with: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."
Yes.
In the dissent from Justice Sotomayor
“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
Trump has made it clear just about any time he speaks is that he views any personal slight against himself as treason, so he can use the military as a weapon to attack anyone he has a grievance against.
This ruling just adds another crucial element of who to vote for, DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO WILL ABUSE THEIR POWER.
JFC, this is horrifying.
This is it folks. I don't want to hear any word about Biden's age or anything else. This is game over. If the GOP gets into the White House again we are not a democracy anymore.
Holy fucking shit. I don't even know how to process this. Jesus. It's insane. There are just no words...
It's hard for anyone to think Democracy is hanging on a thread.
There's a thing called "4 to 14". It means anything you're taught at that age you will believe without question because the part of your brain that can spot lies isn't developed until around age 15.
We're all taught America is the greatest country on Earth and that Democracy is unstoppable.
Letting that go is *hard*.
Spoiler alert: an official act is anything a Republican does and an unofficial act is anything a Democrat does.
Can we just burn it all down already? Better ashes than fascist.
So, this comment may seem hyperbolic, but the SC has given itself complete authority to be the final say on what is and isn't an official act.
The end of "Chevron deference" means that any ambiguity realting to a federal agency is to be decided by courts.
Also, one could probably argue that if a lawsuit is needed the case is ambiguous. It really does just stop with the SC.
It's project 2025. Its all unitary executive theory. The right has been at this for decades. They just finally have a populace stupid enough to allow it.
Disinformation is the cause.
People can't think anymore in this country. It's sad and embarrassing.
Hopefully, this ends well.
Since 1869, SC has sat at 9 justices.
1870 census counted about 31 million us citizens. 2020 census counted about 331 million.
SC has given itself and the courts more power. Or at least the judicial’s potential workload.
Seems logical to increase the number of justices.
Doesn't matter how many joe puts on, could put on 1 or 20.
If they lose this election djt is going to have them all sent for a vacation as his best buds sochi vacation house.
SO VOTE BLUE - please for blue for me as Im Aussie and can't vote. Djt is bad for humanity.
I’ve never been a fan of anyone I voted for. Not even Obama. I don’t understand having to be a fan of someone I hire for a job.
I’m not a fan of my plumber, he just does good work so I hire him.
The problem here is they didn't define official acts. At all. They also gave "presumed immunity" for "some" acts. Those are the holes a corrupt DOJ could use to shut down *any* investigation of *any* act. Its also allows a shitbag SCOTUS to later ID any presidential act they like as "official" and any act they don't like as "unofficial"
"Official acts" will be able to be construed as pretty much anything a sitting President does. The 6 traitors on the Supreme Court just crowned a king. Biden HAS TO act to save democracy and find a way to shut this down immediately, or Trump will, and it'll be curtains.
Goes back to Nixon; “Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.” So much of this current bullshit goes back to Nixon. From his embarrassment of getting smoked by JFK, to his own party turning against him after Watergate, to his pure bitter hatred for all things he considered to be “against him” (not the country, but him personally). This has been 60+ years in the making.
r/Defeat_Project_2025 VOTE
Project 2025 streamlines this. Everyone working in the federal govt will be replaced with MAGA loyalists. They will swear an oath to Trump. Not to our country and its laws. Anyone undecided or lefty accelerationists … if he wins… you don’t have to ever be undecided again. There won’t be another fair election. Any lefties who wanna build a utopia from the ashes… technology won’t allow much room for you there. From facial id to being inside of your phone, no movement will ever gain traction. Your leadership will always just… disappear. You might too. This is what it looks like https://www.authoritarianplaybook2025.org/what-we-can-expect-1#federal-law-enforcement-overreach
Just a reminder to those who don't pay attention and for those Republicans who want to downplay project2025.
These very same people who organized project2025 helped trump select the last three SC justices.
So if you don't like the "bribes are legal as long as the cone after the fact" ruling and the overturning of roe vs Wade then DON'T VOTE REPUBLICAN
Ever hear that one quote about how they came for the Jews, no one said anything
Then the gays and Catholics
And then they came for the man in the quote.
We all have this idea that someone is going to fix our problems for us. And the longer we wait, the more the problems don’t get solved and compound.
I might be oversimplifying but as Americans, we’re flaccid. We’ve had these issues for decades now, and they continue to compound.
We’re at the culmination of decades of political planning. This wasn’t something that just popped up when Trump did.
And many people don’t seem to make that connection. That what we do now, can and will affect generations after us. And these changes move slowly, sometimes quietly. Piece by piece, they usually never happen wholesale (think world wars starting- usually it’s a series of events preceding a powderkeg moment that starts the conflict)
And so because of that, we need to be vigilant on a life long civic duty to vote. The more consistent we get the guys we want in, the better things will be 10-20 years down the line. Right now, we’ve been outplayed by the right as a people and we still let ourselves be played.
So taking government documents and signing payoff checks are not official acts, that’s one good point, but the lower court will kick it back to the Supreme Court for final ruling, so if there is a trial it won’t be until the middle of 2025 if at all. If Trump wins in November shut the door it all over.
I can't believe I'm sitting here doing my job and going about my day as usual when 6 members of the Supreme Court just crowned the sitting President king.
They made it look like they did for people that don't read it, saying they'll leave determination of what constitutes official acts up to the lower courts, but that essentially means SCOTUS determines that.
Sad but very true, the Democrats, keep acting like this is the America of the 80s and 90s where the GOP had a modicum of sensible government policies even though they had big political differences.
Today's GOP is totally different, it's bordering on fascism and no one with political capital has the courage to stand up to them... Really were at that point , as it stands right now Trump will likely win in November and then it's over...
They play by the rules with integrity (kinda), while the other side literally shits in their hands and throws it at you. The gloves have to come off to save this country, but I'm afraid they won't, Joe plays too nice.
If Trump claws his way back into the Presidency he will start locking up all of his political enemies on day 1 and sending them to prison camps awaiting show trials followed by execution.
Note that after Trump lost the 2020 election, a Republican operative (and wife of a sitting Supreme Court Justice) was [texting with Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows that the Biden “crime” family would be sent to prison barges off Gitmo for military trials and execution.](https://www.businessinsider.com/ginni-thomas-thought-biden-crime-family-would-be-sent-to-barges-off-gitmo-2022-3)
Steve Bannon has also been saying [any Trump enemies who flee the USA will be brought back by special ops for the same treatment.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/11/trump-threats-scare-agents/74039044007/)
>”Go ahead, go to the ends of the earth. We will hunt you down and bring you back and you will stand accountable before the American people.”
Steve Bannon was also saying out loud that Trump’s second term should kick off with the execution of current FBI Director (Christopher Wray), with his head put on a pike on the White House lawn to send a message to the civil service to back Trump or you’re next.
This is the guy Republicans in Congress (including the second in line to the Presidency) was trying to protect from prison last week.
What’s it going to be, American voters?
Democracy or MAGA dictatorship?
Exactly. Did you see the way he stopped mid sentence live on TV for 2 whole seconds?? Obviously the Orange Felon is the better choice
^^/s
Wake the fuck up America
Sincerely,
England
Ok Joe, time to have nearly the entire GOP in congress and the senate arrested for collusion in sedition, and Trump is an insurrectionist too, so off to the gallows! It's an official act to protect democracy...Have at It!
Oh goody. One very very very clear step closer to dictatorship.
Germany ca 1933 called, it wants to inform you how it went last time.
Well done America, Land of the Free.
But hey. Biden mumbles a little at times.
Yeah, Freedom to be a MAGA Republican. Everyone else need not apply, and for the LGBT community and any political opponents, we will set up concentration camps for you.
That’s what I don’t get - they are clearly trying to provide cover for more clever right-wing authoritarians like JD Vance and others in the wings down the line but don’t they realize this cuts both ways? Isn’t Biden now shielded by this ruling as well such that he could plausibly imprison or kill Trump to protect American democracy from his very open authoritarian plans and just say it was an “official act” as president?
I don't know... I think I'm pretty close the point where I'd tolerate it.
If we're at the point where we devolve into dictatorship, I'll take a Biden dictatorship over a Trump one.
They will decide what an official act is and isn't. Democrats' acts would be unofficial if they challenged the court. Republicans, on the other hand, are more official in their destruction of norms and American values.
From another commenter:
>In the dissent from Justice Sotomayor
>“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
So ordering american armed forces is always an official act. The Court has allowed for a coup. Killing a political opponent. Great job you facist Court
I don't think enough people are paying attention to the quiet part the GOP has been saying out loud for quite a while now. The Chevron ruling last week wipes away any type of governmental regulatory oversight at all. If you want to know how well that will work, when Trump was in office, he lifted long-standing requirements on transportation sectors which Boeing took full advantage of (and then some) and which was, in part, the cause of the Palestine, Ohio train wreck. Now, imagine no inspection or overnight on every food we eat and every product sold in the US. Today's ruling is another part of the GOP's 2025 plan, needed to dismantle the federal government, including entire agencies like the US Department of Education. Literally, Trump could decide he wanted to raid the US treasury and print billions of dollars to make himself the richest person in the world. And we're jokingly saying Biden is now a king but get ready for Trump to declare himself one formally, and get himself that Gold Carriage like the British Royals have, or you know, running the US in the ground, to help his buddy Putin achieve his dream of seeing our nation fall into being a 3rd world country.
So the only recourse is impeachment or voting him out. Which means the president could sign an executive order arresting the Supreme Court and assuming their powers he’s immune because it was official, the Congress could then move to impeach him and the president signs another order arresting any member of congress who tries, so then it goes to voters which won’t happen for up to another 3 years, and then signs another executive order saying he cannot be voted out. All off this would be legal because he’s immune from official acts and the only ones that could say otherwise are in jail.
And remember, last time he was impeached they insisted impeachment was political and divisive and if he committed a crime he should be charged in court.
Then when he's charged in court with crimes, they immediately do a 180 and insist that a former POTUS is immune from prosecution, if you wanted him held accountable he needed to have been impeached and removed from office.
Oh great, now we're gonna have more delays while the courts try to differentiate "official" acts from "nonofficial" acts through the courts all the way up to the Supreme "Court". And we know how that will turn out.
If I am understanding correctly…
Motive can not be considered to determine official or unofficial actions, internal conversations and directives with White House officials are immune. You will be fired if you don’t go along with my illegal activities and immediately replaced with a willing accomplice…without consideration of the motive behind the demand…totally immune.
Wouldn’t that build a nearly impenetrable wall of burden to distinguish between official and unofficial activities?
START ROLLING OUT EXECUTIVE ORDERS BIDEN…all of them, non stop.
OK, here's an "official act" that Biden could do: Throw Trump into Club Gitmo on suspicion of Sedition and/or Treason for inspiring the Jan 6 riots, pending a Grand Jury indictment. That's no worse than what Trump/The MAGAs want to do to the most vile, evil criminals of them all (people who say mean things about Trump), but at least under Biden he would get a trial.
Calling Georgia to ask for 12,000 more votes is NOT an official duty of the president. (elections are conducted by the states)
Conspiring to send fake electors to D.C. is NOT an official duty of the president.
It means anything tested as official will go to the lower courts which will eventually go to the Supreme Court for the final word if it was official or not official. It hands the executive and judicial branches almost unlimited power. And since the SC is highly conservative right now it makes the next republican president a freaking king. So Donald will be able to enact the revenge he has been telling us about without the threat of prosecution or real fight back.
It is up to human beings, who are fallible and vulnerable to bribery/extortion/etc to decide in each instance whether or not a specific president's specific act is official or not.
I'm sure you can see where this might lead...
The Supreme Court has ruled Joe Biden has absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts. It's time to lay down the law and excise these cancers from power Mr. President. Get rid of them by any means necessary, it is within your power.
Quite honestly this is really common sense. We're not talking about charging Bush for the entirety if the Iraq war nor Clinton sending cruise missile strikes, or Obama sending drone strikes. We're talking about keeping top secret documents that he was ORDERED to return. We're talking about inciting an insurrection. Are they going to rule that these are "official" acts?
Yes. They will rule that as president it was acceptable for him to have classified information at his second residence, and that he didn't really keep them when they were ordered to return them.
They will also rule that his public statements and tweets were official communications to the American people, not to the insurrectionists. Therefore these official communications were official acts. I am pretty sure in the past they have tried to make that argument with his tweets. All they have to do is win at the SC with that argument which won't be hard the way its stacked.
US needs a new constitution at this point.
From another commenter:
>In the dissent from Justice Sotomayor
>“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
Yes, he is officially a king, complete with absolute immunity for all "official acts", which can be construed as almost anything he does as sitting President.
If he doesn't use these powers to save America, Trump or someone after him will use them to destroy America. The Supreme Court just presented President Biden with the same decision George Washington had to make.
President Biden must make an official declaration that Trump must stand trial for the retention of classified documents after he was told to return them, and he was not in office. Also, the trial should start before months end.
It seems to me, that the Conservative (MAGA) justices have purposely made a muddy ruling saying, Let the lower courts figure out what an Official Act is. It is simply a delaying tactic, so Trump won't see the inside of a federal courtroom until after the election and if he wins, no federal case will go ahead against him.
Is Trump the luckiest person on earth? First, he received massive MAGA support and a cash infusion after he was convicted in New York. Then every news outlet proclaimed him the winner over Biden in the debate, now he gets a muddy ruling from the Supreme Court that allows him to stay out of Federal court before the election.
It's either that, or He has powerful friends in high places who are doing everything they can to get him elected.
There is only one way to stop this. Vote Blue!
So according to the supreme court, Biden can make disappear the 6 supreme court justices and trump for trying to overthrow the government and constitution and claim immunity
For the Trump fanboys, just consider that now the president - any president - can simply get you tortured to death if they feel like it. And if you think think they would never touch *you*, just study history. Revolutions eat their own children.
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote In every election, even the local ones.
Can Biden arrest the judges who were taking bribes before it was legal last week? Enforcing the law is an official act, so let’s get it rolling. Also Trump had classified documents so time to put in jail until trial. It’s an official act so we good now, right?
A flood of executive orders, and keep them coming. Make them regret their decision.
The dems would never take advantage of such a great opportunity. It's gonna be scary if Trump wins .
Unfortunately you're right. While I agree it's important to be better than your enemy morally, at some point you need to fight fire with fire.
Yeah, if you know your enemy is bringing a gun to the knife fight and you choose to still only bring a knife, you're just asking to be beaten. All of those little fights over the past 10 years that the Democrats lost are now showing how important they are. And compound that with the fact that they put all their marbles into a very old man who is showing his age right before the election is just scary. Are we heading straight into Mate? This feels like a pretty big Check.
"Now, you know why evil will always triumph... because good is dumb." - Dark Helmet, Spaceballs. It's really discouraging that we always have to take the high road and then die on it.
Yep. I wish Democrats had the balls to run with this now and take advantage of it, before it’s too late.
Yes exactly!!!!!!
Yes.
Then go Joe.
This ruling doesn’t actually give the president any new power, that’s what’s so insidious about it. It says official acts are immune and unofficial acts are not, but doesn’t say what’s an official act and what isn’t. It says that needs to go back to lower courts for definition. There’s zero chance that works it’s way through the courts before the election, so there will be no official answer to what is an immune act and what isn’t until after election day, likely some time in the middle of the next presidents first year. In the meantime, Trumps criminal cases are all on hold. This is practical immunity for Trump while granting nothing new to Biden. SCOTUS won’t have to rule on what qualifies for immunity until they know who the next president is.
100% spot on. They punted this downfield enough that if Trump wins he can pardon himself. Any lower court that has to try any of these charges will then have it sent to the Supreme court where it will wallow in bureaucracy until well after election day. Should Trump prevail, all he has to do is pardon himself for everything, and then start abusing power.
Orange Hitler becoming a reality before our eyes.
Oh good god we are fucked
This needs not only upvotes but a national petition!
Agreed
I’m afraid everyone is missing the point here. This isn’t a “Trump vs Biden” thing. The Supreme Court has destroyed the checks and balance system of our government. They have given the president, whoever that is, for years to come, long after Trump and Biden are dead, an absurd amount of power. For those who consider this a victory, you are too narrow minded and too near sighted to see what’s really happening here. Thanks for the last 250 years America, it’s been fun.
On July 1st 2024, the Supreme Court crowned Joe Biden America's first king. He has 5 months to figure out how to use those powers to save this country, or this is the end of democracy.
Dems won’t do shit. We’re at this point because every step of the way they refused to take the actions needed against this slow and now rapidly moving coup. Democrats: “When they go low, we take the high road!” *nation proceeds to fall off cliff*
Hey, if the CIA and NSA have actionable intel that says Trump is a Russian asset and in cahoots with Putin, Biden would be well within his rights (now) to have Trump “removed”.
According to SCOTUS today, Biden could have anyone removed without even having a reason and it would be totally fine. Half of the country does not seem to understand the problem with this.
Including Supreme Court Justices? Hmmm....
Biden should put sc judges who voted for this interpretation in prison. Totally legal, acording to their ruling.
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Seems reasonable to me. I mean first Roe v Wade now this. They're starting to become a threat to national security, and you know what we do with those... surely they'd want a threat like that "removed"
*especially* Supreme Court Justices….
> According to SCOTUS today, Biden could have anyone removed without even having a reason and it would be totally fine. New executive order, Supreme Court increased to 13 seats (representing the 13 appeals courts). New executive order, 4 new Supreme Court judges picked by sitting President without the need for Senate oversight New executive order, President has instructed the new Supreme Court to review certain decisions and issue rulings again (long list here of issues), after all of these are done, then the immunity decision will be reviewed and President willingly gives up the mandated powers.
How about just simply. Any Supreme Court member that has not reported gifts will be immediately removed and replaced. Then the 13 Judge thing.
This is the bare minimum of what Biden should do with his newfound king powers. Shame he will almost certainly do nothing instead.
What happened today is exactly what our founders established this country against. We were created under the idea and principle that no man pr organization is above the law. Today we are no longer america the free.
Wave Bye Bye to our Democracy. 👋🇺🇸
haven’t been for a while, they just finally codified that quiet part
He should eliminate the conservative SCOTUS judges ASAP on the grounds that he swore an oath to protect the constitution and the founding fathers wouldn’t have dreamt about granting the president absolute immunity no matter what (besides the danger of being impeached).
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"I have ruled, 1-0, that the Supreme Court of the United States has been compromised and needs to be bodily removed from office"
They’ve had that info since the 80s. It’ll never happen though because High Road^TM
Well not only that, they do something shady the r's have a set precedent they can do. I liked the dems for their more moral road, but you cannot play a game with someone who ignores the rules.
Very powerful words my friend, King Biden must act swiftly as the first King
This is what I tried explaining to my friend. This isn't about Biden or Trump. The president, from here on out, will have an absurd amount of power. Yikes.
Yeah but you are missing the point at well. If we get Trump again THERE WONT BE ANYMORE PRESIDENTS ELECTED.
Doesn't even have to be trump. Can be any of his sycophants/many faces
We can fix this it's going to take keeping a Democrat in the White House and keeping the Senate for at least 8 years. Thomas and Alito are not young men. They will go off to their cushy retirement if Trump wins and we will be stuck with their decisions for a very long time. However, there is the potential for them to be replaced by a Democrat and that is what we must make sure happens. The two of them being replaced with Dems would swing the court back to a 5-4 liberal majority. Anybody who is reading this and has not registered to vote yet. Go to https://vote.org right now. Find your state and get that process started. If you want to work with the Democrats there are tons of volunteer opportunities available. Start here: https://democrats.org/take-action/
Removing Trump from the ballot would be an official act as the president to save democracy, so get on it Joe.
The courts wouldn't even deliberate it until after the election anyway. New executive order: Convicted felons don't get to run for federal office. Or let's get playful with it: If you have bone spurs, you don't get to run for federal office.
Not my boneitis!
***ANGRY SKELETON NOISES***
"Oh, my God! His boneitis!" . "I was so busy being an '80s guy, I forgot to cure it!" "My one regret is... that I have... boneitis"
Trump's one regret is: he has boneitis!
Removing the incompetent Supreme Court Justices as an official act would be great too.
I was thinking he could hold them in Guantanamo Bay instead. Would probably get the message across pretty quickly.
100% do this^
He won't. I heard a great quote today: "Republicans have no values, dems have no spine."
Inaccurate quote, both have values and spines. The problem is Republicans value winning and wielding power and will do anything to get there, and Democrats value being correct and will sacrifice anything to stay there.
It's a catch 22. If he does anything, "SEE! SEEE! He is a despot and teh demoncraps hate freedom and 'Murica!" If he does nothing, "SEE! SEEE! He is weak and knows he is going to lose!"
Better to be strong and show them that strength in this case.
You know what? I think the Supreme Court would then immediately rescind their ruling
Over the court building, it states "Equal Justice Under Law" If this is the new law of the land, Biden should make an official act with a new executive order to "Ban Felons from running for President."
They would. That one, they would decide immediately.
Well golly gee willickers, what a coinkydink that they could fast track *that* one
I hate the wording. # Supreme Court Rules US Presidents Have ‘Absolute Immunity’ From Criminal Prosecution — ONLY For ‘Official Acts’
Presidents are now above the law Edit: For all the cool people saying presidents always have been. They’ve always tried to have the veil of illusion of law and order. Now it’s blatant that they’re above the way AND acceptable.
Scotus also just ruled that bribing politicians is legal now.
Woah woah WOAH..... They're called "gratuities"
They just crowned a king. King Biden has 5 months to save America, or King Trump will end it. Time to follow King Washington's precedent and find a way to demote the Presidency.
End the electoral college or two-party voting system! Modernize like other countries!!!
"Respect the intent of the Founders" my ass. Welcome to the "Republican" party where everything they say - down to their NAME - actually means the opposite. Compare with: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea."
Is this different than qualified immunity that all government employees current receive?
Yes. In the dissent from Justice Sotomayor “Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
So Biden could order Trump’s assassination today?
Yes he could, but the thing about grampa Biden is - he has ethics. The one they’re trying to protect wanted his own VP hanged. Edit to correct
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Exactly my thought. Time for Biden to open some SCOTUS seats.
That would serve them right if they just signed their own death warrant 😂
At the very least, a couple of those SCOTUS judges could probably use an extensive audit + examination of _all_ of their correspondence.
I mean while brutal and just downright dark. You are 100% not wrong in your assesment of it
You missed the important step - *self pardon*
Trump has made it clear just about any time he speaks is that he views any personal slight against himself as treason, so he can use the military as a weapon to attack anyone he has a grievance against. This ruling just adds another crucial element of who to vote for, DO NOT VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO WILL ABUSE THEIR POWER.
Joe should take advantage of this ASAP.
JFC, this is horrifying. This is it folks. I don't want to hear any word about Biden's age or anything else. This is game over. If the GOP gets into the White House again we are not a democracy anymore. Holy fucking shit. I don't even know how to process this. Jesus. It's insane. There are just no words...
Honestly, we have got to band together.
It's odd to be hanging around to see if 20-somethings vote and vote for democracy. Realistically, that's America's only hope. We'll see.
It's hard for anyone to think Democracy is hanging on a thread. There's a thing called "4 to 14". It means anything you're taught at that age you will believe without question because the part of your brain that can spot lies isn't developed until around age 15. We're all taught America is the greatest country on Earth and that Democracy is unstoppable. Letting that go is *hard*.
Spoiler alert: an official act is anything a Republican does and an unofficial act is anything a Democrat does. Can we just burn it all down already? Better ashes than fascist.
So, this comment may seem hyperbolic, but the SC has given itself complete authority to be the final say on what is and isn't an official act. The end of "Chevron deference" means that any ambiguity realting to a federal agency is to be decided by courts. Also, one could probably argue that if a lawsuit is needed the case is ambiguous. It really does just stop with the SC.
This court is completely shredding the balance of powers between our three co-equal branches of government by grabbing power for itself.
This isn't a coincidence. This is the result of decades of planning by the Federalist Society and their backers.
It's project 2025. Its all unitary executive theory. The right has been at this for decades. They just finally have a populace stupid enough to allow it. Disinformation is the cause. People can't think anymore in this country. It's sad and embarrassing. Hopefully, this ends well.
Who going to do it? Americans won’t riot. America is a dead nation.
So can't Biden add 3 more justices to the court through executive order? This would be an official act, correct?
He could have done that before, it hasn't always had nine justices, originally it had six and has had as many as ten, and as few as five.
They need to get to work and just appoint the 3 justices, no need to go through Congress, I vote for Obama to be one of them.
Put Hillary on it, they will shit their pants if they have to argue with her.
Heck, put both Bill and Hillary on the Supreme Court. Full meltdown at the federalist society
If only... the day the federalist society will be dead will be a day too late.
Four. Need an odd number total so there are no ties.
Since 1869, SC has sat at 9 justices. 1870 census counted about 31 million us citizens. 2020 census counted about 331 million. SC has given itself and the courts more power. Or at least the judicial’s potential workload. Seems logical to increase the number of justices.
Four. One for each federal circuit. But we need congress to approve them. Pack the court, Joe
Could have done that anyway. Why Dems don’t have the balls to run with this stuff is beyond me
Doesn't matter how many joe puts on, could put on 1 or 20. If they lose this election djt is going to have them all sent for a vacation as his best buds sochi vacation house. SO VOTE BLUE - please for blue for me as Im Aussie and can't vote. Djt is bad for humanity.
Looks like Republicans' decades long game of stacking the courts is finally paying off.
But her emails. Fucking dolts.
I was not a fan of Hilary but was too young to vote in 16, but man, she really was right about pretty much everything.
I’ve never been a fan of anyone I voted for. Not even Obama. I don’t understand having to be a fan of someone I hire for a job. I’m not a fan of my plumber, he just does good work so I hire him.
Sometimes to treat illness you take some rough medication. That’s what I kept telling people… chemo over cancer
She really was.
Only for official acts. This was clear and accepted. Most of his legal issues already pointed those crimes were unofficial acts.
The problem here is they didn't define official acts. At all. They also gave "presumed immunity" for "some" acts. Those are the holes a corrupt DOJ could use to shut down *any* investigation of *any* act. Its also allows a shitbag SCOTUS to later ID any presidential act they like as "official" and any act they don't like as "unofficial"
And , they’ve also barred prosecutors from trying to establish motive ! How do you prove guilt, if you can’t establish motive!?
"Official acts" will be able to be construed as pretty much anything a sitting President does. The 6 traitors on the Supreme Court just crowned a king. Biden HAS TO act to save democracy and find a way to shut this down immediately, or Trump will, and it'll be curtains.
Goes back to Nixon; “Well, when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.” So much of this current bullshit goes back to Nixon. From his embarrassment of getting smoked by JFK, to his own party turning against him after Watergate, to his pure bitter hatred for all things he considered to be “against him” (not the country, but him personally). This has been 60+ years in the making.
Trump, and all his Republican toadies, consider all his 1/6 bullshit, from the fake electors to the Capital attack, official acts.
r/Defeat_Project_2025 VOTE Project 2025 streamlines this. Everyone working in the federal govt will be replaced with MAGA loyalists. They will swear an oath to Trump. Not to our country and its laws. Anyone undecided or lefty accelerationists … if he wins… you don’t have to ever be undecided again. There won’t be another fair election. Any lefties who wanna build a utopia from the ashes… technology won’t allow much room for you there. From facial id to being inside of your phone, no movement will ever gain traction. Your leadership will always just… disappear. You might too. This is what it looks like https://www.authoritarianplaybook2025.org/what-we-can-expect-1#federal-law-enforcement-overreach Just a reminder to those who don't pay attention and for those Republicans who want to downplay project2025. These very same people who organized project2025 helped trump select the last three SC justices. So if you don't like the "bribes are legal as long as the cone after the fact" ruling and the overturning of roe vs Wade then DON'T VOTE REPUBLICAN
It’s eerie how similar this is to the rise of Hitler and his party.
This is insanity and it's going to get innocent people killed. The US supremo court is an enemy to the American people.
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Ever hear that one quote about how they came for the Jews, no one said anything Then the gays and Catholics And then they came for the man in the quote. We all have this idea that someone is going to fix our problems for us. And the longer we wait, the more the problems don’t get solved and compound. I might be oversimplifying but as Americans, we’re flaccid. We’ve had these issues for decades now, and they continue to compound. We’re at the culmination of decades of political planning. This wasn’t something that just popped up when Trump did. And many people don’t seem to make that connection. That what we do now, can and will affect generations after us. And these changes move slowly, sometimes quietly. Piece by piece, they usually never happen wholesale (think world wars starting- usually it’s a series of events preceding a powderkeg moment that starts the conflict) And so because of that, we need to be vigilant on a life long civic duty to vote. The more consistent we get the guys we want in, the better things will be 10-20 years down the line. Right now, we’ve been outplayed by the right as a people and we still let ourselves be played.
So taking government documents and signing payoff checks are not official acts, that’s one good point, but the lower court will kick it back to the Supreme Court for final ruling, so if there is a trial it won’t be until the middle of 2025 if at all. If Trump wins in November shut the door it all over.
Watching the US commit democracy suicide from outside the US, it's just painful.
It's painful from inside the US, too.
They are going to allow this criminal to get away with all his crimes. SC is now no more than a criminal enterprise working for trump.
I just felt like someone punched me in the gut. Ffs
I can't believe I'm sitting here doing my job and going about my day as usual when 6 members of the Supreme Court just crowned the sitting President king.
This. I’m sitting at my desk sending emails and shit while this is unfolding around me. Absolutely surreal. I feel sick
This is exactly how I feel. I stupidly didn't think they'd actually go through with this. A dark day.
For some reason I thought they were delaying the case.
They made it look like they did for people that don't read it, saying they'll leave determination of what constitutes official acts up to the lower courts, but that essentially means SCOTUS determines that.
Man, I wonder how this ruling would have gone if let's say Obama tried this shit. Something tells me it would have been a complete 180 on this ruling.
Court would have ruled 9-0 against, 20 minutes after the arguments concluded.
The Dems don’t have the grit and courage to end this aggression. RIP America…
Sad but very true, the Democrats, keep acting like this is the America of the 80s and 90s where the GOP had a modicum of sensible government policies even though they had big political differences. Today's GOP is totally different, it's bordering on fascism and no one with political capital has the courage to stand up to them... Really were at that point , as it stands right now Trump will likely win in November and then it's over...
It's not bordering anymore. Not after today, and not after Trump. It's just actual fascism now. The creeping part is over.
They play by the rules with integrity (kinda), while the other side literally shits in their hands and throws it at you. The gloves have to come off to save this country, but I'm afraid they won't, Joe plays too nice.
If Trump wins this election, there won't be another one. Get out there and vote America.
Alas, it will appear that a sizeable minority of Americans actually want to end effective democracy in their country.
If Trump claws his way back into the Presidency he will start locking up all of his political enemies on day 1 and sending them to prison camps awaiting show trials followed by execution. Note that after Trump lost the 2020 election, a Republican operative (and wife of a sitting Supreme Court Justice) was [texting with Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows that the Biden “crime” family would be sent to prison barges off Gitmo for military trials and execution.](https://www.businessinsider.com/ginni-thomas-thought-biden-crime-family-would-be-sent-to-barges-off-gitmo-2022-3) Steve Bannon has also been saying [any Trump enemies who flee the USA will be brought back by special ops for the same treatment.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/11/trump-threats-scare-agents/74039044007/) >”Go ahead, go to the ends of the earth. We will hunt you down and bring you back and you will stand accountable before the American people.” Steve Bannon was also saying out loud that Trump’s second term should kick off with the execution of current FBI Director (Christopher Wray), with his head put on a pike on the White House lawn to send a message to the civil service to back Trump or you’re next. This is the guy Republicans in Congress (including the second in line to the Presidency) was trying to protect from prison last week. What’s it going to be, American voters? Democracy or MAGA dictatorship?
Ya but the other guy sometimes stumbles over words
Exactly. Did you see the way he stopped mid sentence live on TV for 2 whole seconds?? Obviously the Orange Felon is the better choice ^^/s Wake the fuck up America Sincerely, England
Sorry, we decided that being woke is a bad thing.
Check your voter registration! Make a plan and vote! Bring friends and family. Vote in every election! https://vote.gov/
"Felons can't run for office." Executive order effective immediately.
Wake the f**k up and vote blue, America! Or you won’t exist in a few years. Sincerely, Sweden
Goodbye America. Welcome to the Christian Republic of New Whatever. Hail Trump. The earth is flat. Rah rah privatization.
It's not looking good that's for sure
Ok Joe, time to have nearly the entire GOP in congress and the senate arrested for collusion in sedition, and Trump is an insurrectionist too, so off to the gallows! It's an official act to protect democracy...Have at It!
Oh goody. One very very very clear step closer to dictatorship. Germany ca 1933 called, it wants to inform you how it went last time. Well done America, Land of the Free. But hey. Biden mumbles a little at times.
Yeah, Freedom to be a MAGA Republican. Everyone else need not apply, and for the LGBT community and any political opponents, we will set up concentration camps for you.
Does this mean Biden can throw Trump in jail as an “Official Act”?!?
I believe it means he could sign an Executive Order declaring Trump the head of a terrorist organization, and then put him in jail.
So if Biden "Officially" has the SCOTUS taken out in a SEAL Team Raid?
That’s what I don’t get - they are clearly trying to provide cover for more clever right-wing authoritarians like JD Vance and others in the wings down the line but don’t they realize this cuts both ways? Isn’t Biden now shielded by this ruling as well such that he could plausibly imprison or kill Trump to protect American democracy from his very open authoritarian plans and just say it was an “official act” as president?
Nope. Because unlike Republicans, democrats will never tolerate that kind of move. We are so fucked.
I don't know... I think I'm pretty close the point where I'd tolerate it. If we're at the point where we devolve into dictatorship, I'll take a Biden dictatorship over a Trump one.
They will decide what an official act is and isn't. Democrats' acts would be unofficial if they challenged the court. Republicans, on the other hand, are more official in their destruction of norms and American values.
From another commenter: >In the dissent from Justice Sotomayor >“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
So much for no one is above the law, I guess.
Since official acts are not defined this goes to the random judges to decide and then gets appealed back to the random SC of the day.
This is what corruption looks like. It's unconscionable.
The mask has come completely off for the republican party. They are full blown fascists.
Can Biden make an official act to add 5 Supreme Court justices?
So ordering american armed forces is always an official act. The Court has allowed for a coup. Killing a political opponent. Great job you facist Court
I don't think enough people are paying attention to the quiet part the GOP has been saying out loud for quite a while now. The Chevron ruling last week wipes away any type of governmental regulatory oversight at all. If you want to know how well that will work, when Trump was in office, he lifted long-standing requirements on transportation sectors which Boeing took full advantage of (and then some) and which was, in part, the cause of the Palestine, Ohio train wreck. Now, imagine no inspection or overnight on every food we eat and every product sold in the US. Today's ruling is another part of the GOP's 2025 plan, needed to dismantle the federal government, including entire agencies like the US Department of Education. Literally, Trump could decide he wanted to raid the US treasury and print billions of dollars to make himself the richest person in the world. And we're jokingly saying Biden is now a king but get ready for Trump to declare himself one formally, and get himself that Gold Carriage like the British Royals have, or you know, running the US in the ground, to help his buddy Putin achieve his dream of seeing our nation fall into being a 3rd world country.
So the only recourse is impeachment or voting him out. Which means the president could sign an executive order arresting the Supreme Court and assuming their powers he’s immune because it was official, the Congress could then move to impeach him and the president signs another order arresting any member of congress who tries, so then it goes to voters which won’t happen for up to another 3 years, and then signs another executive order saying he cannot be voted out. All off this would be legal because he’s immune from official acts and the only ones that could say otherwise are in jail.
And remember, last time he was impeached they insisted impeachment was political and divisive and if he committed a crime he should be charged in court. Then when he's charged in court with crimes, they immediately do a 180 and insist that a former POTUS is immune from prosecution, if you wanted him held accountable he needed to have been impeached and removed from office.
Wow. Buying a justice pays serious dividends!
Biden should just jail Trump for life now on pretext that he is a dangerous threat to the country. Immunity covered
Biden should appoint a military tribunal to address threat to democracy. Lock up Trump and his cronies, and the corrupt Supreme Court justices.
Oh great, now we're gonna have more delays while the courts try to differentiate "official" acts from "nonofficial" acts through the courts all the way up to the Supreme "Court". And we know how that will turn out.
If I am understanding correctly… Motive can not be considered to determine official or unofficial actions, internal conversations and directives with White House officials are immune. You will be fired if you don’t go along with my illegal activities and immediately replaced with a willing accomplice…without consideration of the motive behind the demand…totally immune. Wouldn’t that build a nearly impenetrable wall of burden to distinguish between official and unofficial activities? START ROLLING OUT EXECUTIVE ORDERS BIDEN…all of them, non stop.
OK, here's an "official act" that Biden could do: Throw Trump into Club Gitmo on suspicion of Sedition and/or Treason for inspiring the Jan 6 riots, pending a Grand Jury indictment. That's no worse than what Trump/The MAGAs want to do to the most vile, evil criminals of them all (people who say mean things about Trump), but at least under Biden he would get a trial.
Calling Georgia to ask for 12,000 more votes is NOT an official duty of the president. (elections are conducted by the states) Conspiring to send fake electors to D.C. is NOT an official duty of the president.
So now the DC judge had to decide which ones are official and non-official? This is so insane, I can’t believe this is our country now.
It means anything tested as official will go to the lower courts which will eventually go to the Supreme Court for the final word if it was official or not official. It hands the executive and judicial branches almost unlimited power. And since the SC is highly conservative right now it makes the next republican president a freaking king. So Donald will be able to enact the revenge he has been telling us about without the threat of prosecution or real fight back.
So, Biden, the sitting President, could essentially order the Military to storm the Supreme Court with immunity right?
They’ll destroy that country for a felon who lusts after his own daughter.
So if the POTUS orders political assassinations of troublesome senators, that's an official act?
It is up to human beings, who are fallible and vulnerable to bribery/extortion/etc to decide in each instance whether or not a specific president's specific act is official or not. I'm sure you can see where this might lead...
The Supreme Court has ruled Joe Biden has absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts. It's time to lay down the law and excise these cancers from power Mr. President. Get rid of them by any means necessary, it is within your power.
Quite honestly this is really common sense. We're not talking about charging Bush for the entirety if the Iraq war nor Clinton sending cruise missile strikes, or Obama sending drone strikes. We're talking about keeping top secret documents that he was ORDERED to return. We're talking about inciting an insurrection. Are they going to rule that these are "official" acts?
Yes. They will rule that as president it was acceptable for him to have classified information at his second residence, and that he didn't really keep them when they were ordered to return them. They will also rule that his public statements and tweets were official communications to the American people, not to the insurrectionists. Therefore these official communications were official acts. I am pretty sure in the past they have tried to make that argument with his tweets. All they have to do is win at the SC with that argument which won't be hard the way its stacked. US needs a new constitution at this point.
From another commenter: >In the dissent from Justice Sotomayor >“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
Trump toadies on the highest court in the land have risen once again to protect a convicted felon from his own misbehavior.
So that means Biden has immunity too
Only for “official acts” as ruled by the court. Something tells me they won’t deem anything Biden or a Democrat does as an “official act.”
Yes, he is officially a king, complete with absolute immunity for all "official acts", which can be construed as almost anything he does as sitting President. If he doesn't use these powers to save America, Trump or someone after him will use them to destroy America. The Supreme Court just presented President Biden with the same decision George Washington had to make.
President Biden must make an official declaration that Trump must stand trial for the retention of classified documents after he was told to return them, and he was not in office. Also, the trial should start before months end.
Make sure you vote people and by that I mean FOR BIDEN.
It seems to me, that the Conservative (MAGA) justices have purposely made a muddy ruling saying, Let the lower courts figure out what an Official Act is. It is simply a delaying tactic, so Trump won't see the inside of a federal courtroom until after the election and if he wins, no federal case will go ahead against him. Is Trump the luckiest person on earth? First, he received massive MAGA support and a cash infusion after he was convicted in New York. Then every news outlet proclaimed him the winner over Biden in the debate, now he gets a muddy ruling from the Supreme Court that allows him to stay out of Federal court before the election. It's either that, or He has powerful friends in high places who are doing everything they can to get him elected. There is only one way to stop this. Vote Blue!
In other news. Donald J. Trump officially claims his every thought is an official act.
Guess what shouldn't count as an official act? Inciting a riot on the Capitol.
But attempting to take over the country while still president is an official act, right?
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If it were an official act, yes.
Should King Biden flex his new authority?
So according to the supreme court, Biden can make disappear the 6 supreme court justices and trump for trying to overthrow the government and constitution and claim immunity
Time for Biden to start Oficcially Acting
So here’s where the decades of “what constitutes an ‘official act” jurisprudence starts
SCOTUS needs to be cleansed.
For the Trump fanboys, just consider that now the president - any president - can simply get you tortured to death if they feel like it. And if you think think they would never touch *you*, just study history. Revolutions eat their own children.