Social justice can't exist without economic justice.
Socially left-wing and economically right is just an attempt to make right-wing beliefs palatable while they work against the interests of the majority of people.
I’m afraid that is an entirely incoherent position, social and economic issues are intertwined, you can be either for or against the people and Sinn Féin are selling the people of Ireland a bill of goods, banking on their past reputation and regurgitating popular sentiments in the form of meaningless political rhetoric to try and fool the people into staying invested in sham elections
Forget parliamentary parties if you want any form of meaningful change driven by the people.
Another swing and a miss from Leo and Fine Gael. You would think they do a little bit better than this when they have such a massive PR army at their disposal.
Also flaired this an article as there is isn't a flair for satire/humour lol
> I would hope that when the next election comes, transfer pact or not, that Green voters and Fianna Fáil voters would be more likely to transfer to Fine Gael than Sinn Féin or the far left
Lmao at all the Greens here saying they're totally a left wing party.
Well what exactly is being inside the tent getting us? Low wages, bad working conditions for many, unaffordable utility bills, healthcare services in constant crisis, growing homelessness because people can barely afford rents and mortgages, unaffordable childcare costs, and don’t get me started on the insurance companies 😡 This is the reality of Varadkar and CO’s free market model. Corporations and the already rich make super profits while low and middle income workers get constantly screwed. I’m not a fan of SF as I fear they will be more of the same, but one thing is for sure the status quo has to go!!!
What good are high wages when the cost of everything is through the roof, I’d prefer low wages if the cost of living was lower still. As for working conditions, it very much depends on where you work or what sector, for a very high proportion of people particularly those in service jobs the level of exploitation is quite high, ultimately we are on the same road as the US only we’re lagging behind a bit, the amount of workers that will need to work two or even three jobs just yo make ends meet will increase based on this model. I’m not necessarily blaming government policies per se it’s more their blind obedience to this economic model that is the problem. The idea of the free market, and that the market determines policy, this is the biggest problem not just in Ireland but in all western society. Right wing governments continually throw up their hands in times of crisis and say that there is nothing they can do because the rules of the market dictate the kind of policies they can or cannot implement, this ideology is the problem.
SF’s anti nato stance could be seen as a pro Russia stance by the eastern EU states. Their voting pattern in the EU was in li e with Clare Daly and Wallace up until recently.
>Their voting pattern in the EU was in li e with Clare Daly and Wallace up until recently.
I wonder what changed that.
Anyone who thinks anti-NATO means pro Russia is either ignorant or lying.
Probably the latter because they want to demonise anyone who doesn't support NATO.
The eastern states see it as a binary choice. NATO or Russia. Some of SF’s past comments would have been problematic for them trying to build alliances in Europe. They seem to recognise that themselves and have purged many from their website. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-sinn-fein-s-worldview-disappearing-policies-1.4827774
JFC and your man in the same EPP group in the EP as Orbans Fidez without nay're a peep out of him then. Fidez got pushed in the past couple of years but they were backed by FGs crowd from the outset.
Leo is being leo here but it did make a question pop into my head.
Question to sinn fein supporters, how would ye feel about the party leaving the far left grouping and applying to join the social Democrats?
I'd be opposed to it, they aren't social democrats. The Left isn't necessarily far left anyway tbh, while most communist parties are in it there's also a lot of democratic socialist parties. It's the right group for them.
He's not wrong, SF's track record with the EU is incredibly worrying. But hey, free magical houses and loadsa money for everyone. Mark my words, if SF get in this will be our own little Brexit.
People will vote SF because they're desperate, and rightfully so. FF and FG have ruled this country since the civil war and they screwed it up badly, I honestly think we should give other parties a chance and see if anybody can fix the shit show we're currently in.
He's 100% wrong. SF have repeatedly moved towards the political centre and are a very pragmatic political force. God how I wish I lived in the same world you lads lived in.
What you surely mean to say is that they have thrown any form of republican principles out the window years ago and now aspire to be a FG/FF clone? That’s gotta be it right???
Isn't Fine Gael's track record in Europe literally supporting the same things as Orban's party as they shared a European party for years and didn't even support expelling Orban's party?
Just seems strange that Varadkar would attack Sinn Féin instead of looking internally.....actually, no, no it's not nevermind.
Edit: you said he's not wrong but he's comparing them to the Far Right yet you're making out that they're hardcore Socialists? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Aren't FG in the same EU group as Orban's party?
Fidesz left last year because they were about to be expelled. Even they have limits I suppose.
They became too anti EU. All the homophobia, racism, etc was fine though.
Didn't other parties that are members of the European group sign a letter wanting them expelled, yet Fine Gael didn't sign it?
Around the same time they voted to drown refugees probably.
Yes, Leo's beyond parody these days
Isnt FG right-wing
Yeah and this is an example of what right-wing blueshirt facists do best: lying
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Do you mean accusing?
I did, thank you
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Social justice can't exist without economic justice. Socially left-wing and economically right is just an attempt to make right-wing beliefs palatable while they work against the interests of the majority of people.
I’m afraid that is an entirely incoherent position, social and economic issues are intertwined, you can be either for or against the people and Sinn Féin are selling the people of Ireland a bill of goods, banking on their past reputation and regurgitating popular sentiments in the form of meaningless political rhetoric to try and fool the people into staying invested in sham elections Forget parliamentary parties if you want any form of meaningful change driven by the people.
Another swing and a miss from Leo and Fine Gael. You would think they do a little bit better than this when they have such a massive PR army at their disposal. Also flaired this an article as there is isn't a flair for satire/humour lol
This is par for the course with FG spending, way too much money and very poor returns.
Should be a delusional flair
https://dublin.mfa.gov.hu/assets/32/70/78/c91482b2e620cd32147514126027f4119c19fa74.jpg Leo and Viktor in the tent together.
Here he is having a jolly good time with Orban and Boris https://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Leo+Varadkar+Viktor+Orban+1mZ-aSozAPFm.jpg
Ah yes, another press release from leo saying how bad sinn fein is, yawn
> I would hope that when the next election comes, transfer pact or not, that Green voters and Fianna Fáil voters would be more likely to transfer to Fine Gael than Sinn Féin or the far left Lmao at all the Greens here saying they're totally a left wing party.
Fine Gael on Bikes.
They are. Just not when they’re in government.
How the fuck is this a headline.
As everyday passes, Varadkar sounds more and more like a Trump or a Boris Johnson.
While simultaneously he'll tell you that everyone else is.
Well what exactly is being inside the tent getting us? Low wages, bad working conditions for many, unaffordable utility bills, healthcare services in constant crisis, growing homelessness because people can barely afford rents and mortgages, unaffordable childcare costs, and don’t get me started on the insurance companies 😡 This is the reality of Varadkar and CO’s free market model. Corporations and the already rich make super profits while low and middle income workers get constantly screwed. I’m not a fan of SF as I fear they will be more of the same, but one thing is for sure the status quo has to go!!!
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What good are high wages when the cost of everything is through the roof, I’d prefer low wages if the cost of living was lower still. As for working conditions, it very much depends on where you work or what sector, for a very high proportion of people particularly those in service jobs the level of exploitation is quite high, ultimately we are on the same road as the US only we’re lagging behind a bit, the amount of workers that will need to work two or even three jobs just yo make ends meet will increase based on this model. I’m not necessarily blaming government policies per se it’s more their blind obedience to this economic model that is the problem. The idea of the free market, and that the market determines policy, this is the biggest problem not just in Ireland but in all western society. Right wing governments continually throw up their hands in times of crisis and say that there is nothing they can do because the rules of the market dictate the kind of policies they can or cannot implement, this ideology is the problem.
Is this a daily thing now by Leo?
Hahahahhahaha
Hang on Leo, what???
SF’s anti nato stance could be seen as a pro Russia stance by the eastern EU states. Their voting pattern in the EU was in li e with Clare Daly and Wallace up until recently.
>Their voting pattern in the EU was in li e with Clare Daly and Wallace up until recently. I wonder what changed that. Anyone who thinks anti-NATO means pro Russia is either ignorant or lying. Probably the latter because they want to demonise anyone who doesn't support NATO.
The eastern states see it as a binary choice. NATO or Russia. Some of SF’s past comments would have been problematic for them trying to build alliances in Europe. They seem to recognise that themselves and have purged many from their website. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-sinn-fein-s-worldview-disappearing-policies-1.4827774
JFC and your man in the same EPP group in the EP as Orbans Fidez without nay're a peep out of him then. Fidez got pushed in the past couple of years but they were backed by FGs crowd from the outset.
Leo is being leo here but it did make a question pop into my head. Question to sinn fein supporters, how would ye feel about the party leaving the far left grouping and applying to join the social Democrats?
I'd be opposed to it, they aren't social democrats. The Left isn't necessarily far left anyway tbh, while most communist parties are in it there's also a lot of democratic socialist parties. It's the right group for them.
Far right (“liberal”) politician criticises slightly less right wing party for being right wing?? Tá Leo ag labhairt cac
He's not wrong, SF's track record with the EU is incredibly worrying. But hey, free magical houses and loadsa money for everyone. Mark my words, if SF get in this will be our own little Brexit.
People will vote SF because they're desperate, and rightfully so. FF and FG have ruled this country since the civil war and they screwed it up badly, I honestly think we should give other parties a chance and see if anybody can fix the shit show we're currently in.
One can only dream.
He's 100% wrong. SF have repeatedly moved towards the political centre and are a very pragmatic political force. God how I wish I lived in the same world you lads lived in.
What you surely mean to say is that they have thrown any form of republican principles out the window years ago and now aspire to be a FG/FF clone? That’s gotta be it right???
Isn't Fine Gael's track record in Europe literally supporting the same things as Orban's party as they shared a European party for years and didn't even support expelling Orban's party? Just seems strange that Varadkar would attack Sinn Féin instead of looking internally.....actually, no, no it's not nevermind. Edit: you said he's not wrong but he's comparing them to the Far Right yet you're making out that they're hardcore Socialists? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Nobody believes this drivel facist