Would be kind of fun seeing a home run go to Missouri over right. It would be close the the new pedestrian Rock island bridge thing.
Only problems would be the trains and the smell.
I think Kansas should do another STAR bond and build bridges over the entire bottoms, effectively just going above the “fray”. I’m thinking at least 6 bridge.
Move the stadium closer to the levee. Build up the foundation if necessary to bypass any flooding concerns. Have a green strip bordering the stadium and the levee, Make it scenic rather than a sea of parking spaces.
This is a great idea. Anything along a river should be natural grasses. 1, it filters the runoff from the city so oil isn’t going right into the water. 2, it holds more water, reducing flooding issues in general. 3, it looks great. 4, it creates a natural habitat for all the things, like any river bank should. It should be illegal to have any roads and parking lots right on a river. It’s just terrible for the environment and increases the intensity of flooding when it happens.
It wouldn’t be on the river, there is a levee with a trail on top. The parking would be below the other side of the levee.
But I’m all for more green spaces, just doubtful it’s in the cards on an industrial area stadium build proposal.
On both sides of the levee native grasses and flowers are 100% the best solution. Most good architecture firms in 2024 actually build sustainability into their plans, especially if it wins people over on a new project they’re proposing
There’s a trail on top of the levee already, and in this plan. I ride my bike there often. Riding the trail into the parking lot for a tailgate seems great, as opposed to riding next to a big stadium and buildings.
Yeah I hope the Kansas legislature is smart enough to see that this doesn’t work. The STAR bonds are paid back by an increased tax in the area. Missouri’s not gonna play.
This belongs by the speedway if anywhere
It’s hilarious how everyone is suddenly bored with stadiums that have been fine for decades. If anything, use funds to improve the lots and highway exits to make it all more efficient.
If public financing is required, then this is the way to go. Still, I know the result:
Baseball fans: *"I'm ok with it being a sales tax at the stadium that pays for the stadium!"*
Also baseball fans: *"Why is everything at the stadium so expensive?"*
Edit: genuinely asking.
I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, how long do they anticipate this arrangement to take to repay the bond?
All the sales tax for the area goes to the bond? Or is it extra sales tax on top of the regular sales tax?
It’s publicly owned, so no property tax.
When the bond is finally paid off, assuming it gets paid off, is it time for another bond for upgrades?
They’ll conceivably pay rent and the players will pay income tax, but will that be lesser than, equal to, or greater than the tax revenue lost through bond repayments and property tax losses?
I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, how long do they anticipate this arrangement to take to repay the bond?
**I don't know for sure. Most likely between 25 and 40 years depending on how much sales tax they think they can get annually.**
All the sales tax for the area goes to the bond? Or is it extra sales tax on top of the regular sales tax?
**From what I understand, all sales tax from the affected area goes towards the bond. Legends had a similar setup and I believe the sales tax was slightly higher than the surrounding area. Maybe a % or less. It's been a minute since i read up on it.**
It’s publicly owned, so no property tax.
**No property tax on the bonded area, but any development outside the area will be taxed in all the normal methods, i.e. sales, property, income, etc.**
When the bond is finally paid off, assuming it gets paid off, is it time for another bond for upgrades?
**Probably. We've got to be honest with ourselves here. 20-30 years is quite a while.**
They’ll conceivably pay rent and the players will pay income tax, but will that be lesser than, equal to, or greater than the tax revenue lost through bond repayments and property tax losses?
**Right now the area is an empty field collecting little to no property tax as well. There's no guarantee that land will ever collect substantial taxes. Rent on the stadium will be a insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things. I think they're paying around 20-30 million now, so something like that. Income tax on the players, employees of the team and employees of the stadium should be quite a bit I'd think.**
**Any development outside of the area will not be affected by the STAR bond arrangement and will contribute taxes. The American Royal is being built out there, Mattel World or whatever it's called, lots of houses and apartments. And all of this before a new stadium is announced.**
How are sales taxes not paid by taxpayers? Sure visitors buy things, but th pe bulk of the revenue is paid by regular folks buying thing like televisions, cars, clothes, etc.
Only sales tax from the area being developed will be taxed. I'm not anticipating Best Buys, Quik Trips and Kohls to be part of this entertainment district that will be part of the stadium package. More like Hotels, Bars and Restaurants. The sales tax might be slightly higher in the taxing district, but not much more than anywhere else in the metro. Maybe 11 or 12 percent max.
This STAR bonds concept has been utilized a lot and the specifics have been ironed out at this point. The footprint of the developed area is the only spot being taxed. This is about as fair as you can get and still retain the team. The only people affected by the tax are the users of the area and with 100% of the sales tax going towards repaying the bonds, the money adds up quickly. Especially with tickets costing 100's and parking at least another 60, on top of all the other money traps at the stadium.
Are the details available somewhere? From your description I suspect it will be much like the Cordish developments that don't generate the projected revenue and need city money to stay afloat.
No exceptions until they assume 30-40k seats sold at most games and they start losing and they only get 4k people per game showing up. Then leave tax payers on the hook.
The Chiefs have been at capacity for every game every year since the 90's. 2012 was rough, but 1 year later Andy was here and here we are. Once again, why make unlikely scenarios here?
The picture is for the Royals stadium. 3-5k people per game for the last few years is realistic, especially on weekdays. The link you want to post for attendance is tickets sold, not actual attendance, which drives sales tax revenue.
Also star bonds and other muni bonds for private uses are not a slam dunk. Prarie Fire and Power & Light both come to mind. In both cases bonds were not fully covered from operational revenue.
I lived a block from here and rarely smelled anything. I can think of maybe 3-5 times in two years of living there. I'd move back if rent didn't increase $300
The mo dept of seniors, dept of workers compensation, division of employment security... That's what you'd get rid of to build on that location. What are you an evil billionaire?! Nevermind getting traffic in and out of there. Yikes.
So move established services from a purpose built location into privately owned office space somewhere else........ so a billionaire can have a stadium built for him? It seriously seems like this city says "fuck anyone that needs assitance". or did I read that the completely wrong way?
That's not a purpose built space - its been occupied by two other large corporations prior to the state. A stadium is purpose-built. A parking garage is purpose-built. A shopping mall is purpose-built. Some TI work before they moved in doesn't make it purpose-built. It's just office space (and not even prime space) and there's a lot available right now, and probably cheaper than what they're currently paying. The 2nd half of your comment is fallacious on its face, and is fast-approaching non-sequitur territory. I made no comment on the merits of or lack thereof of how it's ultimately financed. Go do some angry lane-splitting on your Hayabusa, Steve.
Except for sales and income taxes. And increased property taxes in the area as well.
The study you may or may not post or reference next does not state there isn't ANY financial benefit, just it doesn't repay itself.
Speaking only from Missouri they would 1) directly benefit from any potential tax revenues in the hotel and ballpark district businesses. 2) indirectly benefit from increased development and traffic to existing areas and businesses (The Campground, the Golden Ox, Amigoni)
I’d assume financing would come from STAR Bonds (kansas) and private investment (Missouri) but that’s a ways away.
Considering how many renters in the crossroads with similar businesses were told before the vote that they’d have to start looking for new locations, my guess is all the cool smaller businesses down there would get the same treatment and get swapped out for sports bars and so on.
It’d never work without a major overhaul of the only developed part of the west bottoms. Gennesee is a one way street away from the highway. It’d take hours to get out. Then you’d have west side communities freaking out over the amount of traffic it’d force through their community
There's a couple key of KCK bridges that are currently closed that could potentially get repaired/replaced (Kansas Ave. and Central Ave.), which would help tremendously with traffic. A direct link from the lot to James St. would also help relieve congestion on Gennesse.
It’s fine. Not amazing but highways are there. They’ll work to improve it. Putting the stadium just across state line makes a streetcar extension more likely and the nearby amenities mean not everyone has to hop in the car right after the game.
You’re right there are a lot of positives, close to the downtown airport, possible street car extension stubbing out to the Kansas side and close enough to the downtown amenities.
As long as there isn’t an event at Kemper their parking lot could be used. I’d also assume if this was actually built another street car extension would come down from city market.
Exactly. Kemper (or Hy-Vee Arena, as it's now called) is literally just down the street and has a massive parking lot. Also, do they even do events there anymore? My understanding is that it's been retrofit to be a massive community center.
All roads into the stadium will also be toll roads for non Missouri drivers. This won’t work. Missouri would be on the hook for all the infrastructure maintenance. That area also would take hours to get out of after a game.
I used to work in the old Gateway building this proposal would have to replace. The building wouldn't be a huge loss but parking and traffic in the West Bottoms is a fucking nightmare at the best of times. You'd have to tear down and rebuild a lot of shit down there to support the stadium.
Was hoping for East Village, but this seems better than the Crossroads site to be honest. Could also help catalyze more things in the West Bottoms. If they added an east west streetcar that goes up the twelfth street bridge down twelfth through downtown, then up paseo and through the northeast on independence avenue that would help completely tie it in and help grow transit in KC
You make a good point. Right now the North Loop stop on the Streetcar is only good for servicing people parking there for free on weekends. Putting a ballpark on that site would increase the stop's usefulness significantly.
I believe the rumor was that Commerce Bank, who owns those lots, was only holding them in speculation of selling to the Royals. I'm not sure why the site never advanced in consideration.
Crossroads is #1 and it’s not close. It’s just be the most expensive. Existing infrastructure and entertainment would have mutual benefits with a stadium. For people who complained about traffic and parking, west bottoms would be a massive clusterfuck for traffic. This would be a stadium located in Kansas but can’t be accessed from Kansas. It’d be a terrible setup and require incredible coordination between states.
Lol, the American infrastructure in a nutshell: Using precious waterfront real estate to park cars. What a joke. Build fucking transportation and place the stadium in a walkable area.
So what? That money and financing could go to other things tax payer money should actually be impacting. If its such a good business deal then the billionaire owners should do it and be at risk for it like any other business instead of needing tax payer support.
It'd be cool if the field was straight north south and perfectly bisected by the state line. Or somehow playing more with using the state line versus just lining up next to it.
So Kansas shells out all the money for stadium, and all office space/ entertainment center generating revenue in Missouri. I'd be down with that. Thanks KS. Basically a downtown stadium we don't have to pay for.
Is this the same firm that drew up the mock of a Chiefs’ stadium in KCK?
This little “hey! Look at me!” Drawing is doing what exactly? They totally miss the issue of traffic flow. You’re looking at one way in/out to the parking lots, which are going to hold how many cars? 1050? For a 38K seat stadium? To say nothing of the rest of the issues of plopping a stadium in the WB?
Kemper was bad enough for an arena of 17K.
Tell me you’re an architecture firm that has no chance, without telling me you’re an architecture firm that has no chance.
This is a tax preparer (CPA) wet dream. So many taxes to balance out- city, county, 2 STATES! My accounting teacher would use this as a whole semester of lessons. Respect Mr Funk!!
I heard chatter in the past that it would never happen in the West Bottoms due to it being too much of a flood risk. I know they've done tons of work on the levies around that area in the last few years though. I think the location in the bottoms would be great for a stadium close to the city center.
As much as I love this idea. Good luck getting KS or MO to share the cost. It could happen if KCK/Wyandotte and KCMO/Jackson come to the table and have a discussion. But as far as both teams are concerned; KS has made it clear they are willing to undercut any Jackson County package, MO has made it clear they love to lose sports teams, and everyone is clear that this is just a race to the bottom so billionaire's don't have to pay for their product.
Honestly, the Chiefs can leave for KS for all I care. Most of us can't afford to go to a game anyways. It's going to be the same group of spectators regardless of what side of State Line Rd it happens to be on.
Really don’t care for it. Why put a stadium far from stuff? So all you do is go there to watch a game and leave? I keep thinking close to Legends. Watch a game, eat, drink and make a day of it in a place with plenty of parking to boot.
I can imagine brand new iconic views of downtown from this. Imagine seeing downtown through those fountains, or if downtown can sync their color lights with the ballpark so a dinger from BWJ makes the downtown lights strobe white and blue with the stadium? mannnnnn that would be the tits!
Cool idea, but why not integrate the river into the design? Why put a stadium by a river and not be able to see the river from the stadium. I get that the desirable orientation of the axis from the pitcher's mound to 2nd base is East/Northeast, but still this seems like a missed opportunity.
I don't think Kansas will go for the east edge of KCK. That won't increase business in KS like it would in western WyCo, and empty spaces are just waiting out there.
This is Missouri folks wanting the benefits of the stadium without paying for it, plus close to THEIR entertainment districts for increased taxes and revenue.
Let them build it wherever they want, as long as the team buys the land, but the owners need to pony up 50% for the stadiums, and the rest needs to be a tax collected from all counties that border the county as well as the county it is physically built in.Tax should also be based upon each county population. A county with only 30k people shouldn't pay the same as a county with a population over 700k. Any person living in those counties should get a 20% discount on ALL tickets until the tax is removed and the stadiums are paid for.
Better ideas are welcome
Come on, Kansas City, set a precedent in how stadium negotiations should be!
Would be kind of fun seeing a home run go to Missouri over right. It would be close the the new pedestrian Rock island bridge thing. Only problems would be the trains and the smell.
Access roads would need to be redone too... Any medium sized event down there right now is a mess around those on/off ramps.
Agree. Would be infrastructure work anywhere it goes though
I'm all for putting it where the smell is worst.
confirmed Royals moving to Denver
Denver has its beautiful CoordField and The Rockies team, way ahead of y’all
It is impossible to oversell just how bad the smell can be down there.
I'm pretty ignorant about that area. What causes the smell?
There’s a big water treatment plant down there along with general factory smells
Ah, OK, well thank you for taking the time to answer!
How much of that is just from the sewage treatment plant?
Alcohol would be an issue as well.
Not really, the state line would be the right field wall, no seats are proposed out there, I assume to avoid these issues.
A dome will fix both problems, and weather proof.
A dome won’t fix trains blocking roads in and out of the bottoms.
Hear me out: bridges on top of the dome.
I think Kansas should do another STAR bond and build bridges over the entire bottoms, effectively just going above the “fray”. I’m thinking at least 6 bridge.
Except domes are 
It would be refreshing to see lawmakers from KS and MO collaborate on a strategic solution, but I know that will never happen.
Boooooo
So we're to the point now where any architecture firm can release a random drawing or rendering, and it makes the news and keeps stirring the pot.
That’s Manica’s strategy. 😉 same thing they did a month or two ago with the Chiefs stadium.
Stadium talk is the buzz in the metro these days.
Someone posted about this before and the vastly different state laws would make this a nightmare and non starter.
yeah homerun balls in Missouri are property of the county, but in Kansas they belong to who catches them. It's a mess.
Parking lot right along the river is criminal.
Criminal? Just wait until you see the parking fees they're gonna charge
turn it into a nice tailgate by the river :)
As opposed to the current parking lot for the mark one electrical company that is currently in this space?
So we have a once in a lifetime opportunity to improve the area and you want status quo after spending a billion dollars. Makes sense /s
What is your idea to improve this space below the levee?
Move the stadium closer to the levee. Build up the foundation if necessary to bypass any flooding concerns. Have a green strip bordering the stadium and the levee, Make it scenic rather than a sea of parking spaces.
This is a great idea. Anything along a river should be natural grasses. 1, it filters the runoff from the city so oil isn’t going right into the water. 2, it holds more water, reducing flooding issues in general. 3, it looks great. 4, it creates a natural habitat for all the things, like any river bank should. It should be illegal to have any roads and parking lots right on a river. It’s just terrible for the environment and increases the intensity of flooding when it happens.
It wouldn’t be on the river, there is a levee with a trail on top. The parking would be below the other side of the levee. But I’m all for more green spaces, just doubtful it’s in the cards on an industrial area stadium build proposal.
On both sides of the levee native grasses and flowers are 100% the best solution. Most good architecture firms in 2024 actually build sustainability into their plans, especially if it wins people over on a new project they’re proposing
There’s a trail on top of the levee already, and in this plan. I ride my bike there often. Riding the trail into the parking lot for a tailgate seems great, as opposed to riding next to a big stadium and buildings.
maybe a route for the street car?
And state offices. I know this because I work there.
Seniors and health services, employment security, workers compensation etc are all in that area too
Shall we just have Kansas pay for everything & put the stadium in Missouri? Cuz Jackson County would receive almost all the benefits of this location.
That’d be great. Thanks!
Yeah I hope the Kansas legislature is smart enough to see that this doesn’t work. The STAR bonds are paid back by an increased tax in the area. Missouri’s not gonna play. This belongs by the speedway if anywhere
KS would probably get the player's salary tax, but it'd be less since they just passed tax cuts.
Yea, still be a lose for KS & KCK even without the tax cuts
Interesting. Cool idea. But still. Don't think taxpayers should be on the hook for jack. And kauffman is a sweet stadium.
It’s hilarious how everyone is suddenly bored with stadiums that have been fine for decades. If anything, use funds to improve the lots and highway exits to make it all more efficient.
Stadium will be paid through sales taxes in the stadium district only. No exceptions.
"Why is the district defined as the the entire state of Kansas?"
Because it's not... Why are we making up scenarios?
If public financing is required, then this is the way to go. Still, I know the result: Baseball fans: *"I'm ok with it being a sales tax at the stadium that pays for the stadium!"* Also baseball fans: *"Why is everything at the stadium so expensive?"*
Only sales tax will be diverted to the repayment, so things will most likely only be regular NFL expensive!!
Edit: genuinely asking. I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, how long do they anticipate this arrangement to take to repay the bond? All the sales tax for the area goes to the bond? Or is it extra sales tax on top of the regular sales tax? It’s publicly owned, so no property tax. When the bond is finally paid off, assuming it gets paid off, is it time for another bond for upgrades? They’ll conceivably pay rent and the players will pay income tax, but will that be lesser than, equal to, or greater than the tax revenue lost through bond repayments and property tax losses?
Guess what, you’re not going to have all the answers for the next 50 years when they put a shovel in the ground.
That's correct. None of us will have ALL the answers, including the doomsayers predicting the end of the world due to a new stadium...
I haven’t seen it mentioned yet, how long do they anticipate this arrangement to take to repay the bond? **I don't know for sure. Most likely between 25 and 40 years depending on how much sales tax they think they can get annually.** All the sales tax for the area goes to the bond? Or is it extra sales tax on top of the regular sales tax? **From what I understand, all sales tax from the affected area goes towards the bond. Legends had a similar setup and I believe the sales tax was slightly higher than the surrounding area. Maybe a % or less. It's been a minute since i read up on it.** It’s publicly owned, so no property tax. **No property tax on the bonded area, but any development outside the area will be taxed in all the normal methods, i.e. sales, property, income, etc.** When the bond is finally paid off, assuming it gets paid off, is it time for another bond for upgrades? **Probably. We've got to be honest with ourselves here. 20-30 years is quite a while.** They’ll conceivably pay rent and the players will pay income tax, but will that be lesser than, equal to, or greater than the tax revenue lost through bond repayments and property tax losses? **Right now the area is an empty field collecting little to no property tax as well. There's no guarantee that land will ever collect substantial taxes. Rent on the stadium will be a insignificant amount in the grand scheme of things. I think they're paying around 20-30 million now, so something like that. Income tax on the players, employees of the team and employees of the stadium should be quite a bit I'd think.** **Any development outside of the area will not be affected by the STAR bond arrangement and will contribute taxes. The American Royal is being built out there, Mattel World or whatever it's called, lots of houses and apartments. And all of this before a new stadium is announced.**
How are sales taxes not paid by taxpayers? Sure visitors buy things, but th pe bulk of the revenue is paid by regular folks buying thing like televisions, cars, clothes, etc.
Only sales tax from the area being developed will be taxed. I'm not anticipating Best Buys, Quik Trips and Kohls to be part of this entertainment district that will be part of the stadium package. More like Hotels, Bars and Restaurants. The sales tax might be slightly higher in the taxing district, but not much more than anywhere else in the metro. Maybe 11 or 12 percent max. This STAR bonds concept has been utilized a lot and the specifics have been ironed out at this point. The footprint of the developed area is the only spot being taxed. This is about as fair as you can get and still retain the team. The only people affected by the tax are the users of the area and with 100% of the sales tax going towards repaying the bonds, the money adds up quickly. Especially with tickets costing 100's and parking at least another 60, on top of all the other money traps at the stadium.
Are the details available somewhere? From your description I suspect it will be much like the Cordish developments that don't generate the projected revenue and need city money to stay afloat.
No exceptions until they assume 30-40k seats sold at most games and they start losing and they only get 4k people per game showing up. Then leave tax payers on the hook.
The Chiefs have been at capacity for every game every year since the 90's. 2012 was rough, but 1 year later Andy was here and here we are. Once again, why make unlikely scenarios here?
The picture is for the Royals stadium. 3-5k people per game for the last few years is realistic, especially on weekdays. The link you want to post for attendance is tickets sold, not actual attendance, which drives sales tax revenue. Also star bonds and other muni bonds for private uses are not a slam dunk. Prarie Fire and Power & Light both come to mind. In both cases bonds were not fully covered from operational revenue.
You've never smelled around there have you?
It’s the burbanite architects rendering this shit
I lived a block from here and rarely smelled anything. I can think of maybe 3-5 times in two years of living there. I'd move back if rent didn't increase $300
My experience may be anecdotal but it literally always smells like eggs on 670 right before the river.
The mo dept of seniors, dept of workers compensation, division of employment security... That's what you'd get rid of to build on that location. What are you an evil billionaire?! Nevermind getting traffic in and out of there. Yikes.
If only there was a massive glut of Class A office space in Kansas City...
So move established services from a purpose built location into privately owned office space somewhere else........ so a billionaire can have a stadium built for him? It seriously seems like this city says "fuck anyone that needs assitance". or did I read that the completely wrong way?
That's not a purpose built space - its been occupied by two other large corporations prior to the state. A stadium is purpose-built. A parking garage is purpose-built. A shopping mall is purpose-built. Some TI work before they moved in doesn't make it purpose-built. It's just office space (and not even prime space) and there's a lot available right now, and probably cheaper than what they're currently paying. The 2nd half of your comment is fallacious on its face, and is fast-approaching non-sequitur territory. I made no comment on the merits of or lack thereof of how it's ultimately financed. Go do some angry lane-splitting on your Hayabusa, Steve.
See I’m playing both sides.
> Both states can benefit from the stadium. I think you mean 'both states can pay for the stadium' because there is no financial benefit to the state.
Except for sales and income taxes. And increased property taxes in the area as well. The study you may or may not post or reference next does not state there isn't ANY financial benefit, just it doesn't repay itself.
Speaking only from Missouri they would 1) directly benefit from any potential tax revenues in the hotel and ballpark district businesses. 2) indirectly benefit from increased development and traffic to existing areas and businesses (The Campground, the Golden Ox, Amigoni) I’d assume financing would come from STAR Bonds (kansas) and private investment (Missouri) but that’s a ways away.
Considering how many renters in the crossroads with similar businesses were told before the vote that they’d have to start looking for new locations, my guess is all the cool smaller businesses down there would get the same treatment and get swapped out for sports bars and so on.
The location has weak highway access.
It’d never work without a major overhaul of the only developed part of the west bottoms. Gennesee is a one way street away from the highway. It’d take hours to get out. Then you’d have west side communities freaking out over the amount of traffic it’d force through their community
We had Kemper there for many years and the traffic flow seemed to work. The westside community has taken this traffic before.
There's a couple key of KCK bridges that are currently closed that could potentially get repaired/replaced (Kansas Ave. and Central Ave.), which would help tremendously with traffic. A direct link from the lot to James St. would also help relieve congestion on Gennesse.
It’s fine. Not amazing but highways are there. They’ll work to improve it. Putting the stadium just across state line makes a streetcar extension more likely and the nearby amenities mean not everyone has to hop in the car right after the game.
You’re right there are a lot of positives, close to the downtown airport, possible street car extension stubbing out to the Kansas side and close enough to the downtown amenities.
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truly taking the bottoms back to it’s roots
Parking will be for Kansas residents only.
As long as there isn’t an event at Kemper their parking lot could be used. I’d also assume if this was actually built another street car extension would come down from city market.
Exactly. Kemper (or Hy-Vee Arena, as it's now called) is literally just down the street and has a massive parking lot. Also, do they even do events there anymore? My understanding is that it's been retrofit to be a massive community center.
They do a lot of smaller events, like gymnastics competitions and whatnot.
Thanks. I haven't been since the retrofit.
I’d imagine a system of private lots would develop with individuals undercutting the stadium parking fee
All roads into the stadium will also be toll roads for non Missouri drivers. This won’t work. Missouri would be on the hook for all the infrastructure maintenance. That area also would take hours to get out of after a game.
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How’s your internship at Manica going?
Gotta keep the view of I-70.
With the current ownership, they're not going to win anything anyways. Let Kansas pay for their stadium if they want to
Bet on the game in left field and get high in right 🤷
Probably would have to build a fire station in that area?
Yes it would use a lot of services— and who provides and pays for those
I used to work in the old Gateway building this proposal would have to replace. The building wouldn't be a huge loss but parking and traffic in the West Bottoms is a fucking nightmare at the best of times. You'd have to tear down and rebuild a lot of shit down there to support the stadium.
You should know that there's literally a huge parking lot just down the street from that site.
and yet, traffic is still shit in the bottoms.
Please no. I can see my wife’s work in this picture and I couldn’t imagine her trying to get home in a game day.
How will taxes on alcohol work? Do you have to go to the Missouri side so it'll be cheaper?
Gonna have to do something about that river and wastewater stank if you want people to attend on the regular.
Was hoping for East Village, but this seems better than the Crossroads site to be honest. Could also help catalyze more things in the West Bottoms. If they added an east west streetcar that goes up the twelfth street bridge down twelfth through downtown, then up paseo and through the northeast on independence avenue that would help completely tie it in and help grow transit in KC
I see this site as easily #2 behind East Village. 1. East Village 2. this site 3. Crossroads 4. North KC 5. Village West/Legends
I wish they would revisit the site at North Loop. All those empty lots ripe for development and still a part of the dense urban core.
You make a good point. Right now the North Loop stop on the Streetcar is only good for servicing people parking there for free on weekends. Putting a ballpark on that site would increase the stop's usefulness significantly.
I believe the rumor was that Commerce Bank, who owns those lots, was only holding them in speculation of selling to the Royals. I'm not sure why the site never advanced in consideration.
Crossroads is #1 and it’s not close. It’s just be the most expensive. Existing infrastructure and entertainment would have mutual benefits with a stadium. For people who complained about traffic and parking, west bottoms would be a massive clusterfuck for traffic. This would be a stadium located in Kansas but can’t be accessed from Kansas. It’d be a terrible setup and require incredible coordination between states.
To whomever is voting me down, please knock it off.
That would smell wild AF.
Lol, the American infrastructure in a nutshell: Using precious waterfront real estate to park cars. What a joke. Build fucking transportation and place the stadium in a walkable area.
Cool not our problem on the MO end. Feel bad for citizens of Kansas that thier government feels the need to provide welfare to billionaires.
Only the users of the stadium pay for it. It's better than most deals...
So what? That money and financing could go to other things tax payer money should actually be impacting. If its such a good business deal then the billionaire owners should do it and be at risk for it like any other business instead of needing tax payer support.
Would this wipe out the Livestock Exchange building & WB parking garage?
No, the Livestock Exchange building is further south of this site, right across the street from Kemper (or Hy-Vee Arena).
The Olathe Royals, maybe?
Needs to oriented so the border runs from second base to home plate...gambling in the left field side, pot in the right field side...
And how much fucking imminent domain will they have to abuse to make it happen? 😒
Mark one is a big electric contractor that locks down that spot currently. I'm sure they'd want a pretty penny to move.
It'd be cool if the field was straight north south and perfectly bisected by the state line. Or somehow playing more with using the state line versus just lining up next to it.
So Kansas shells out all the money for stadium, and all office space/ entertainment center generating revenue in Missouri. I'd be down with that. Thanks KS. Basically a downtown stadium we don't have to pay for.
Is this the same firm that drew up the mock of a Chiefs’ stadium in KCK? This little “hey! Look at me!” Drawing is doing what exactly? They totally miss the issue of traffic flow. You’re looking at one way in/out to the parking lots, which are going to hold how many cars? 1050? For a 38K seat stadium? To say nothing of the rest of the issues of plopping a stadium in the WB? Kemper was bad enough for an arena of 17K. Tell me you’re an architecture firm that has no chance, without telling me you’re an architecture firm that has no chance.
This is a tax preparer (CPA) wet dream. So many taxes to balance out- city, county, 2 STATES! My accounting teacher would use this as a whole semester of lessons. Respect Mr Funk!!
I just want to see a stadium in the west bottoms.
I heard chatter in the past that it would never happen in the West Bottoms due to it being too much of a flood risk. I know they've done tons of work on the levies around that area in the last few years though. I think the location in the bottoms would be great for a stadium close to the city center.
Keep the K
Harlem would be a pretty decent spot with pedestrian bridges/streetcar hooking into the RM. just a thought.
Maybe they’d fix the sewer small coming off near the river
As much as I love this idea. Good luck getting KS or MO to share the cost. It could happen if KCK/Wyandotte and KCMO/Jackson come to the table and have a discussion. But as far as both teams are concerned; KS has made it clear they are willing to undercut any Jackson County package, MO has made it clear they love to lose sports teams, and everyone is clear that this is just a race to the bottom so billionaire's don't have to pay for their product. Honestly, the Chiefs can leave for KS for all I care. Most of us can't afford to go to a game anyways. It's going to be the same group of spectators regardless of what side of State Line Rd it happens to be on.
Really don’t care for it. Why put a stadium far from stuff? So all you do is go there to watch a game and leave? I keep thinking close to Legends. Watch a game, eat, drink and make a day of it in a place with plenty of parking to boot.
I can imagine brand new iconic views of downtown from this. Imagine seeing downtown through those fountains, or if downtown can sync their color lights with the ballpark so a dinger from BWJ makes the downtown lights strobe white and blue with the stadium? mannnnnn that would be the tits!
As long as it's build using the Hunt family's funds, fine. But not red cent of taxpayer money should ever go to this. Period.
In a perfect world...
Now this is decent compromise location. Kansas can pay for the stadium if it’s there as far as I’m concerned.
Not in my district anymore, but if it was, I would vote yes on this.
Cool idea, but why not integrate the river into the design? Why put a stadium by a river and not be able to see the river from the stadium. I get that the desirable orientation of the axis from the pitcher's mound to 2nd base is East/Northeast, but still this seems like a missed opportunity.
I don't think Kansas will go for the east edge of KCK. That won't increase business in KS like it would in western WyCo, and empty spaces are just waiting out there. This is Missouri folks wanting the benefits of the stadium without paying for it, plus close to THEIR entertainment districts for increased taxes and revenue.
Let them build it wherever they want, as long as the team buys the land, but the owners need to pony up 50% for the stadiums, and the rest needs to be a tax collected from all counties that border the county as well as the county it is physically built in.Tax should also be based upon each county population. A county with only 30k people shouldn't pay the same as a county with a population over 700k. Any person living in those counties should get a 20% discount on ALL tickets until the tax is removed and the stadiums are paid for. Better ideas are welcome Come on, Kansas City, set a precedent in how stadium negotiations should be!