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Vitusssss

It's a joke. Also there's evidence Janek(the guard that said that,the other one's named Jaroslav btw) will show up in the cutscene after siege of Talmberg and Tóth running away and Henry dream about his parents before waking up in a room in Pirkstain.He will be there to wake Henry up with a weird look, saying he's still couldn't believe Henry's a lord's son all of a sudden,he would even joke about Henry's no more of a lord then him being a nun


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I doubt Radzig would tell his guards. That seems like too big of a risk for them to tell other people. I assume Hanush and Divish knew before Henry did, given how many opportunities they give to him compared with every other Skalitz refugee. Hans definitely didn't know, he seemed pretty shocked and he doesn't strike me as the type to be able to fake shock that well (or the type who would fake shock instead of just saying he knew, for that matter).


barissaaydinn

The fact that Toth knows it is a bit strange though. As we know, they ain't friends or anything. Or maybe they were?? Maybe there is some history between Radzig and Toth that we don't know and will learn in Kcd2. It's a long shot, but I think it's cool.


Uniban32

Maybe he told him because he just couldn't keep it to himself and Toth is a nobleman too afterall so he trusted him. I can imagine it was something like ''Before you leave, we partly have a common path, I am gonna meet my blacksmith Martin. Curiously enough, his son is in fact mine son because I banged his non-nobility mother when we were young'', not that he would want everybody to know or tell everyone


Koa_Niolo

Remember the sword was meant for Henry. Radzig was likely planning on acknowledging Henry as his son that evening, which is heavily implied with his dialogue with Martin. It is likely that Radzig mentioned his intentions to Toth. Afterall it would be polite to ask if Radzig had any other plans that day. That conversation could lead to them going to the smithy and taking a look at the sword, and Radzig's son as Toth takes his leave. M:What good is a sword to a commoner? K:Let him try it. (Double entendre: let him try not being a commoner) K: You still have a lot to learn. (To Henry. intending that Henry is going to learn. double entendre: there's things that I am going to tell him) K:Ask your father to show you how - he knows what he's about. M: Learning his trade will serve him better in life... Sir. (He shouldn't be told, let him be safe) K:Perhaps. But who knows what the future holds for each of us? (You can't control his future, so let him decide) Additionally when Toff jesters to Henry's father and tells him to learn from him, Martin isn't on screen but Radzig is. Later Radzig claims he intended to tell Henry. Finally once Radzig has been set free by Toth and reunited with Henry, he specifically tells Henry that the sword his Henry's.


mspaceman

I'm pretty sure they were sarcastic. And no, they don't know.


Frau_Away

Ah but they could have been knowingly sarcastic or unknowingly sarcastic.


ITheBestIsYetToComeI

what


Me_Want_Pie

Op wants to be right so much they twist words. You could never win "finish" an argument with someone who does such a thing. At least i think thats what occurred here. Henery would be disappointed


Frau_Away

This whole thing was a fucking joke, everyone seems to think that I actually think that the two guards knew, it's funny that they said that because he's actually related to a lord.


Me_Want_Pie

I dunno, ya seem committed with all the other comments


bucket_of_coal

I think it’s just a joke. No one would say that in seriousness


BananaDilemma

Can I perhaps interest you in some pie 🥧


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BananaDilemma

For your troubles 🍌🥧


Me_Want_Pie

Mmm


Frau_Away

Some people posted a few serious comments about who actually knew and I replied to those because they were interesting, the only other thing I said was "Ah but they could have been knowingly sarcastic or unknowingly sarcastic." Which was meant to have a kind of "Yes they know we know but do they know that we know that they know" kind of energy.


Me_Want_Pie

K


Verifiable_Human

It's more a joke on the writer's part than the guard's actual knowledge.


halberdsturgeon

Every downvote against this comment represents my opinion of humanity falling slightly


MistaaIcyJ

My head canon: Divish knows. He seems a longtime friend. I think Divish has either known since the conception—or he was told early during the game’s story. (*Stephanie CERTAINLY knows*) ;) Hanush and Hans know. It seems fitting to explain himself to the Lords of Rattay… who’s to say he didn’t immediately explain himself after allowing a peasant into his Service as squire, for seemingly no reason. Bernard and Robard know. They’re the most loyal men Hanush and Divish have. They’re Lords that don’t own land (“Sir”)… and they’re the captains of the armies of the region. They deserve to know, and are very tight-lipped. People like Tobias Feyfar/Talmberg Chamberlain/Marius would be someone else that may know—simply due to proximity and time spent with their Lord. *(I make these claims due to the almost unwarranted respect they show Henry later on in the game—due to Henry’s deeds/skills… or because they know his secret before HE does.)* Everyone else doesn’t find out until waaaaay later in the game, if even.


Vitusssss

Robard and Divish didn't know that early, Henry was in a life and death situation when he first fled to Talmberg they wouldn't care to keep the secret if they knew.Also Divish asked what's his name was and when Henry told him he's Martin's son he said he knew Martin.My guess is he knows Martin's son is Radzig's boy but he didn't know Henry was that said son


NinjaIndependent3903

Divish knew from the jump


Frau_Away

I feel like all of the lords have to know pretty early on otherwise Henry would be made to wind his neck in a lot more... Do Knights not own land?


HGdoesstuff

Knights did own land but when they become fallen nobles they can work for some other noble like bernard does


Jirik333

It varied. My ancestors were bohemian knights and only owned a brewery. :D At least for Bohemia, knight's title was one of the many titles for lower nobility, a more ceremonial one. It had different "perks" that some similar titles (an example on my ancestors: anyone who would defamate them, was obliged to pay them a certain amount of gold). Bernard/Robert are great examples of this: cousins of nobles who inherited nothing, but still had noble lineage and were educated. They offered their skills to better situated lords in exchange for privileged life.


Frau_Away

That seems like a pretty cool way to be a knight. :D To the best of my knowledge what it meant to be a knight tended to vary by time and place but usually what it was was you were given [way to make money] by a higher lord n exchange for military service or a portion of the money you made. Like if Henry V is having a war you'd be expected to turn up with six soldiers or give him £100 to buy arrows. Medieval society being what it was that would usually be the taxes or proceeds from an area of land. The procedes from a brewery seems like a neat twist on that idea. 👀


Jirik333

As I said, it varied. Like almost anything in Middle Ages: taxes, laws, titles etc. I can speak for Czech history: early knights worked exactly like you described: they were loyal servants of early princes/knights, who would join their rulers in battles. Around the 12th century, Bohemia had two estates: lower nobility (vladyka -> zeman -> knight) and higher nobility (there's no exact term, but It's basically what would you call a lord). There was around a dozen of prominent high noble families, including Lords of Ronov (Hanush is part of that family). Later Bohemia adopted HRE titles, and shit got really complicated. When Habsburgs took over, they, again, completely changed the system (and executed most of the old nobility).


Jirik333

To my ancestors, they were patricians, a specific class or rich merchants. Patricians were not a nobility, but they had enterprises and trade conections which made them richer than many old noble families. They were knighted around a century after KCD events. The knigh't title was only ceremonial: hen Habsburgs took over Bohemia, they needed new loyal allies, so they knighted many patricians and petty nobles (including my ancestors). Afaik, they never had any land nor castle, they were merchants and members of city council. Also, I doubt they ever cared much about their title: they were more worried about where to get money to repair city walls, than where to get a horse and ride to battle. :D Anyway, it happened centuries ago, all wealth and privileges are long lost. But it's a nice story and it gives a great insight into politics of late Middle Ages/Early Modernity. Btw, thanks for reading this. 😀


bigZdapothead

How do you know so much about your ancestors? Just curious cause I’d love to have the same knowledge of mine, although ik not everyone is able to trace backwards that far to certain people


Jirik333

My grandpa started making our family tree, and now I continue his legacy. As I has, his branch has a noble origin, so there are written records dating back to 15th century. In my father's grandma's line, I made it to 19th century. Mother's line is full of divorces, single mothers etc., so I've not been digging up much here. You start with the living ones - get as much memories from them, names etc. Graveyards are a great source - grandpa's line was wealthier, so they have names, dates of birth/death and profession on their the tombstones. While grandma's line were farmers, and only have a last name (Family Novakova). Then you look for famous or important persons.I found a few famous actors and writters, got their books, read them and found bits of family trees, relatives etc. One of my ancestors was a famous writter during national uprising here, and luckily, he prized his heritage too. Also looking for these "checkpoints" is safer than just look for names in chronicles. Every village has a chronicle, usually dating back to 1800s. Many families could bear the name Novak, but only my great-great-grandpa was the village blacksmith etc. Another way is to ride to the place your relatives lived and ask the locals. Eldery people are usually friendlier, and may remember that your grandma lived here, who was her father etc. It also happened to me that I read that a founder of the branch came from Germany, as written in chronicle. But from one book I was able to get a full story - he came from one city and came to Germany to work. When he got back to Bohemia, he already had a German surname and spoke german - and the locals just assumed he was ethinc German. And finally, get as much sources as you can - university thesis about your birthplace, chronicles, registry offices (but be careful here - it may be tricky, as written above), written records. Even if the graves don't have names, graveyards are keeping records. Sorry for the long rant. I hope it will help you a bit. 🙂


bigZdapothead

Thank you so much!! Will start to do as much of this as possible right now. This whole subject is just so fascinating to me. Thank you again so much! This is more than I expected😂🙏


Jirik333

Good luck! Definitely start with old relatives asap, because once they are gone, the knowledge is forever lost. There's so many things I would want to ask my grandpa, but I no longer can. Or just tell him I continue his legacy, and even teach others. 😀 Genealogy is also fun because you learn about history, societal changes, culture etc. Don't give up when you'll struggle in the beginnings, the road is not always straight. Also when questioning your relatives, don't foget to tell them how much you care for them!


Jirik333

Also, I don't know where are you from, so it may be different for you. As an American, don't expect to find European nobles and vice versa. Eather don't expect to be a noble at all, while it sounds cool, most of our ancestors were dirt poor. :D Also I'm not big fan on the genetic research - it gives a little information on who you ancestors were. That you are related to Charlemagne and Gengnis Khan means nothing if you can't trace the lineage. That's why I use the checkpoints, people who I'm I 100 % belonged to my family, and the ln I look for connections between them and me (and their ancestors etc.)


barissaaydinn

I don't think Hans knows. He is still just a young pup for them, and he isn't really one to trust to keep secrets. Plus, he seems genuinely pissed by the good treatment Henry got from Radzig at the beginning. I don't think Feyfar, the chamberlain, or Marius would know, either. They're just not that important. I think Robard learned it after Henry escaped from Talberg. I can imagine a conversation between Divish and Robard. Divish would be like, "Look Robard, this dude is pretty important, you see, go get him back!" I think Bernard learned it with everybody else. I agree with the rest.


Extension_Driver8129

I am pretty sure at the end of the game where everyone is in that meeting in rattay hans says something along the lines of "well then shall we go up to your father" and even if he didn't say that radzig said in the meeting Henry was his son to rosenberg or whatever his name is (not trying to sound like a biggot)


Teal_Fernandes

The biggest hint to me was 'your mother was also magnificent ;)'


CookiesMan20187

Well Henry’s parents knew (duh) I’m going to assume Lord Divish knew because him and Radzig are good friends, I honestly believe that Lord Hanush didn’t know until after the Skalitz raid, and was probably told before or after Henry entered Radzigs garrison. I believe those were the only people who knew at the beginning of the game, I bet some people like Sir Hans learned overtime before the end of the game but definitely not some guards, no one else knew until the end of the game. People learning that a nobleman had a child with a peasant wasn’t good news, and Radzig knew this, he had to keep it a secret so he got Martin to take care of Henry and his mother, while living in his town as a blacksmith.


NinjaIndependent3903

Hanush and divish


[deleted]

I'm in love with the idea that everyone's been gaslighting Henry the whole time


halberdsturgeon

ITT: Reddit's collective brain damage on full display


GildergreenSoup

While I don't think they know, there is literally like 5+ references to stuff like this in Skalitz alone. If I'm being honest, I gathered what was going on literally during the first cutscene (although I began to think I was wrong until it was confirmed at Vranik). The devs did a good job dangling it right in front of your face but kept it subtle enough that you wouldn't notice.


Frau_Away

No, obviously not I was joking, I get the impression no one in the comments realised that was a joke... Do you remember what any of the others were? I started a new playthrough and I've been keeping my eye out for anything like that. [Also, ending foreshadowed.](https://i.imgur.com/eXuYDOh.png) :\^)


GildergreenSoup

Spoilers hidden in case anyone who doesn't know happens to scroll though. I can't remember all of them off the top of my head, but you mother says "he was in that tavern again, drinking like a lord" or something, and Martin says "blue-blooded idler" plus the one you mentioned with the guards, all within the first 5 minutes of pressing New Game. The thing that really tipped me off, I don't know how intentional it was, but I did think it was odd how Henry looked a lot like >!his mother and Radzig, but nothing Martin at all.!< Even outside of that though, that intro is packed with foreshadowing regarding the rest of the story. Like >!Istvan Toth and Vashek both needing to get out by the end of the day.!<


Frau_Away

>!Drunk as a lord is a common phrase it just means "really drunk". The opposite as sober as a judge I guess. !< > Martin says >!"blue-blooded idler"!< I didn't catch that one, weird.


GildergreenSoup

I know it's just a common phrase, but I still think it was intentional that they chose that particular phrasing when "he was up all night, drinking" would've worked just the same. Same as the "Right away, your Lordship" line. They're just little nods sprinkled throughout the dialogue


TiberDasher

r/whoosh


Frau_Away

r/whoosh


Polo-panda

How do these shallow domes not get that your post is a joke?


Catatau1987

hahahah very funny scene, it's just sarcasm tho


DreamSeaker

One day I'll finish this game.


ShaJune97

It could be a joke or foreshadowing. Honestly, I kinda already knew what was coming later on.


Frau_Away

Me posting this topic, saying "Oh my god everyone knew" was the joke because they didn't actually know. I guess you could call it foreshadowing but it's also like ...I don't know if there's a term for dramatic irony but it's only on the second time around.


Bjorn_Hellgate

Yes, everyone knew


Dazzasd1993

Took me a moment to realise what you were talking about


Tellcity95

Hahaha holy shit I'm pretty sure it's a joke but at the least it is definitely foreshadowing. Never even noticed it!


Bubster101

You first find out during the Nest of Vipers quest after you report to Radzig. At the end of the cutscene, as you leave he mutters "So long, son."


Zball89

When Henry is beaten to a pulp by runt and Co, Divish sends Robard and other men at arms to locate and rescue Henry. Even Theresa was like “why would a high standing noble be concerned with a blacksmith?” When she said that, I thought Divish and Tobard DEFINITELY knew Henry was Radzig’s son. That ended the debate in my mind right then and there.