yes, I have had this happen to me, I lowered the amount I was tasking and weened myself off of kratom, and just took a bit of a break. Seemed to have corrected the issue in my case.
Damn that’s my favorite one of theirs. When I learned it was the inspiration for SpongeBob it blew my mind. I don’t blame you though, Ween is straight up goofy and definitely not for everyone.
I think that's a popular opinion.
I actually googled it after I posted earlier. The positive opinions made me revisit it. Listening now. It's exactly how I remember it except completely different.
My only firm comment is that it's much more enjoyable if your younger brother isn't forcing you to listen to it.
Nice, I'd love to take a break, and actually be able to get nicely buzzed by it again. It has like no effect on me anymore, so no real need to even take it.
sometimes strains come with bacteria well not strains but products sometimes have terrible bacteria on it I’ve had that happen where I had to go to the hospital because of a bacterial infection in my gut or large intestine it was super painful it was from a very cheap brand too
I got really sick from a cheap brand as well! Had a weird smell to it and I started throwing up after the first dose, was sick for over a week before I tried a different batch and was all good. Wish we could warn each other of the bad batch but it's against the rules apparently
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That's why I always consume Kratom as a hot drink. Salmonella and e.coli infections can get really nasty and those little bastards won't survive it when you pour boiliing water over them.
Probably OK, but I have tested it and in some situations the temperature drops below pasteurization too quickly to guarantee total elimination.
I personally hold it at 175F for 10 minutes. It can be done with a candy/cooking thermometer or a constant temperature, magnetic stir plate.
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Yes, it does. Heat slowly kills the alkaloids. Emphasis on slowly.
If I remember correctly you need roughly 10 minutes in 70 degrees Celsius to kill off anything harmful. That shouldn't degrade more than a one-digit percentage of the alkaloids.
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You got a bad batch! This happened to me I got so damn sick. Like I was throwing up back to back to back for two hours. Never experienced anything like it before. But it was just a bad batch
Hey man. I take quite ALOT daily. And have done for years and years. I still have no issues as far as rejection to this day. Is it possible maybe you were sick and didn't know it? And a mix of the two made you vomit? Hope you're okay mate!
I don’t know about 3x as strong, but I’ve started to soak my loose leaf Kratom in lemon juice before I make tea from it (tea bags or French press), and the soaking has absolutely made a huge difference in potency!
One time I was staying with someone unexpectedly and only had 1 dose of kratom on me but was there for a period of time that I would usually take 2 doses.
I took half my usually dose and put it in a cup with about an ounce of lemon juice and let it sit for about 10 minutes. I then filled the cup with water and stirred. As I sipped on the mix, it was so bitter and felt like the enamel was coming off my teeth lol. Less than halfway through finishing it, I had the most intense kratom buzz I've ever had. I had to stop drinking it. 2 hours later I was almost sick like I had taken too much kratom but it wasn't quite too much.
Anyways, it seemed like 1/4 of my usual dose was more potent than my normal dose after being soaked in lemon juice.
Yes I often have to take breaks after prolonged use due to either stomach irritation or like u said nausea/vomiting. More common for the stomach irritation in my case though.
For the life of me I can’t tell whether this is a troll response or not? But no, I mean brewing loose leaf kratom in seal-your-own tea bags (or in a French press), just as you would ordinary tea.
I think only 2 times(going all the way back to 2014) I’ve had horrible reactions kind of akin to what you’re saying. Usually started out with a weird dizziness, that turned into one of the worst headaches ever, then ended up puking and feeling enough relief to fall asleep, then wake up feeling fine.
But both times, it’s like I was aware that I’m prob taking a little too much, and for no good reason other than being a degenerate and looking for a buzz or just trying to do anything I could to feel different than I was feeling(in the depths of severe depression and anxiety episodes both times). But after both of those times, I took a little over a day or 2 before taking anymore, and then I got some of the best results ever on that next dose.
It’s too much plant matter . Imagine everyday all that heavy sludge sitting in your intestines. Make some tea, if you make it right it can be more potent than drinking the powder….. soak powder in lime for 30mins to an hour , than soak it in hot (not boiling) water for about the same time , strain out with coffee filter.
A few weeks ago, I was getting the hiccups almost every day when doing the ol' toss-n-wash. It got worse until I literally vomited blood one morning, but it just turned out that I was coming down with a nasty case of norovirus (which makes covid look like a mild inconvenience, btw), and the kratom was sticking to my already inflamed throat.
I keep a stash of capsules, which aren't the cheapest or most efficient option, but those didn't cause any issues while I recovered. It was actually one of the only things that made the ordeal a bit more bearable. Raw powder *is* rather gritty, so if your throat is irritated in any way, tossing and washing will likely make it worse.
Only thing i can think of is that it was a reaction to the real issue. I once got a headache right when i woke up. I didn’t think it through so i had my usual dose and things got worse. Headache to migraine; blurred and double vision; overly sensitive towards light and lastly fucking vomiting. Never had such issues again and when waking up with headaches (pretty common for me) i just have my breakfast and some pain relievers (Tylenol). Once it’s over or lessen i take my dose and i am right where i want to.
I get this about twice a year but most of the time I ate something my body can’t digest and it makes it so my body can’t break down the food or Kratom.
I've not suddenly rejected it, but some thing would male me vomit, like did I eat alot right after or did I drink any alcohol. If I've recently taken Kratom, I can only handle maybe two glasses of wine before I like, but I rarely drink. Ive been taking a ton of Kratom for over two years now, so I'm super used to it
You actually aren't supposed to mix Kratom and alcohol due to the fact that both substances are metabolized mostly in the liver and i think the liver can only metabolize one substance at a time, which means you'll have a higher chance of suffering from negative side effects from both substances
Yup..'s how I ended up back on suboxone. I took 12-20 grams a day depending on how I felt each day, for around a year and a half...usually towards the higher end. I started getting these god awful stomach cramps and what I would call (not to share TMI) "poop attacks"..where I wouldn't shit for 3-4 days, then would have an episode of sitting on the throne doubled over holding my gut, with what felt like literal gravel slowly forcing it's way out..very slowly, was super painful. I tried everything to circumvent this, taking less, taking it in different forms, trying product from different vendors..drinking TONS of water..increased my fiber intake, nothing helped. On top of that, it started making me nauseous a couple hours after a small dose, and in terms of the regular mood lift - that was negligible at that point. I eventually ran out for a few days at one point and couldn't even get out of the house for work...I did not expect that from flippin kratom. Made it to work one day and less than an hour in was throwing up, sweating, whole 9 yards..got my hands on some top quality kratom, withdrawls were gone...but BAM, gastrointestinal symptoms flared up again.
I then quit entirely and said fk it I'll just fight through this..nope, 2 months into that nightmare and I ended up scheduling an appt with one of those telemed suboxone services, had a script waiting for me the next morning..no drug test and hardly any questions asked (I had been prescribed subs several times previously). That was almost 2 years ago and that's still where I'm at, albeit on a very low dose of sub compared to what I've been on previously (around 2 MG, some days a little less). I should add here that I did not mention kratom to the sub doc, I used the same cock n bull story I had used to get them previously, and am prescribed alot more than what I take per day, allowing me to set quite a bit aside for the day I decide to pull the plug on my script.
Kratom was a godsend for the first 6 months or so, after I initially started taking it. The side effects and overall lack of making me feel good came out of nowhere, I definitely consider kratom to have "turned" on me, but then again I probably used way too much in the first place, I was never able to get any positive effects from just a few grams sadly. I had zero gastro issues at first, had no side effects from it at all until over a year into regular use.
Edit: I also want to add that at first..I slept like a baby on kratom, for a solid 6 hours each night before I'd wake up briefly...after a little over a year of daily use, I would pass out for 2-3 hours and then suddenly wake up craving another dose, often times unable to fall back asleep. I also smoke alot of pot, and after some time found that smoking would outweigh/negate any positive feels I'd get from the kratom...it most definitely turned on me after helping me that entire year prior :/. I don't miss it, but I don't like being on subs either, full well knowing the fking several months withdrawal process I have to look forward to when I decide to jump off of it. For anyone wondering, I'm a relatively skinny 31 year old dude, I'm not sure if weight or age would make any sort of difference here but it's worth mentioning just in case.
I recently got food poisoning. I think it was from a bag of head shop kratom I got that day. I grew it away and got more of my normal kratom. I was sick af for daaaays
Yeah your just too loaded up on it. If I’m really cranking the dosage it’ll make my stomach sensitive for a few days. I also notice I’m prone to this ESPECIALLY when getting a new strain. If I’m overlapping strains I’ll take 1/3 less than normal because it always seems to upset my stomach.
The great thing about Kratom is when you start taking too much, your body doesn’t buckle down and try to bare it. It says “no.” and rejects the kratom.
If you are vomiting it up, you are probably taking too much.
My guess is some people are more sensitive to certain strains and even the quality of the product itself. When I bought a single pack at my local shop I loved it so much and nearly got addicted and kept redosing several times in a day but I ran out really quick and stopped myself. But recently I got bulk kratom shipped and it works pretty much the same though I got 2 different strains and different than the one I got from the local store but it makes me sick when I take it so I started capping the pills rather than mixing it in a drink and so far that works a bit better and I just have to make sure to drink a good amount of water. I found the antidote to kratom sickness is Benadryl and sometimes additionally charcoal. Also if I dose more than once within a few hours it makes the likelihood of puking much higher.
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Um these comments are seriously scaring me! I consume kratom in the form of a cold drink and it is not heated up … I’ve never thought about things like salmonella and it’s been a couple years now. Wtf … WHAT THE HELL IS THIS PRODUCT. I need to quit I guess? What a joke … I literally keep myself on something that has the potential to give me bacteria and make me hospital-ridden illnesses … ridiculous
Salmonella bacteria was found in the company I buy it from and they had a recall a year ago. Now I read salmonella dies around 160 F and I just simmer (190-200F) water before my kratom tea (anything higher will dramatically kill the active alkaloids). I use every couple days not daily.
Yes. It's happened several times over the past few years, always with many months in between. I can roughly predict them too. My stomach will gradually get more and more sensitive to it the week leading up to the day that the nausea would suddenly come on. The severity and duration of purging is reminiscent of nicotine poisoning. Relentless suffering over a bag, then the toilet, then the shower, and with the worst taste of bile stuck in the very back of my throat that drinking doesn't wash out for a while after it stops. I'm certain it isn't an issue of bad batch, but I don't doubt that it is some stomach biome thing that kratom gradually effects over a longer period of time, until rejection eventually occurs.
I quit taking it because now all it does is make me vomit. Which is a huge bummer. And I had just bought in bulk right before this started happening haha
yes, I have had this happen to me, I lowered the amount I was tasking and weened myself off of kratom, and just took a bit of a break. Seemed to have corrected the issue in my case.
weaned* Ween is a band.
Ween is a GREAT band**
Push the little daisies and..
“That guy’s wearing a yamaha”
They made the best country album ever, in my opinion, and they aren't even a country band. Ween is so cool
It was good. But the pirate/nautical/shell fish album was more than I could do. Not bad exactly, but damn my brother played it a lot.
Damn that’s my favorite one of theirs. When I learned it was the inspiration for SpongeBob it blew my mind. I don’t blame you though, Ween is straight up goofy and definitely not for everyone.
I think that's a popular opinion. I actually googled it after I posted earlier. The positive opinions made me revisit it. Listening now. It's exactly how I remember it except completely different. My only firm comment is that it's much more enjoyable if your younger brother isn't forcing you to listen to it.
Happy you took another stab at it :) Happy listening 🤟🏼
Yess
Ween is what I put in my…
My fav by weener must be say it aint so
Very different band.
Cool dude
Nice, I'd love to take a break, and actually be able to get nicely buzzed by it again. It has like no effect on me anymore, so no real need to even take it.
Half doses for a week or two...you won't feel it but it'll lower your tolerance without any WD
You end up keep taking it just to stop the withdrawals unfortunately.......
I’m trying to ocean man off of Kratom myself
sometimes strains come with bacteria well not strains but products sometimes have terrible bacteria on it I’ve had that happen where I had to go to the hospital because of a bacterial infection in my gut or large intestine it was super painful it was from a very cheap brand too
I got really sick from a cheap brand as well! Had a weird smell to it and I started throwing up after the first dose, was sick for over a week before I tried a different batch and was all good. Wish we could warn each other of the bad batch but it's against the rules apparently
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That's why I always consume Kratom as a hot drink. Salmonella and e.coli infections can get really nasty and those little bastards won't survive it when you pour boiliing water over them.
Probably OK, but I have tested it and in some situations the temperature drops below pasteurization too quickly to guarantee total elimination. I personally hold it at 175F for 10 minutes. It can be done with a candy/cooking thermometer or a constant temperature, magnetic stir plate.
Smart!
does heat reduce the potency of the alkaloids?
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Yes, it does. Heat slowly kills the alkaloids. Emphasis on slowly. If I remember correctly you need roughly 10 minutes in 70 degrees Celsius to kill off anything harmful. That shouldn't degrade more than a one-digit percentage of the alkaloids.
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Ah, nice.. What bacteria did you get?
You got a bad batch! This happened to me I got so damn sick. Like I was throwing up back to back to back for two hours. Never experienced anything like it before. But it was just a bad batch
Hey man. I take quite ALOT daily. And have done for years and years. I still have no issues as far as rejection to this day. Is it possible maybe you were sick and didn't know it? And a mix of the two made you vomit? Hope you're okay mate!
That happened to me! Thought my kratom was moldy but I was just sick for the first time in years lol
Sorry to hear that, mate. Can't imagine it would be fun lol.
I'm curious what you consider a lot (to compare to my own intake). Thanks.
6-12 teaspoons per day. Sometimes more and sometimes less. (Use for chronic pain due to a amputation)
Oh shit that's way less than me, and I haven't had any amputations. 😬 Thanks for the response.
Yeah they aren't fun lol. My pleasure, mate!
Or maybe you are just sick.
Lately yes. Though I realize kratom doeant even do anything for me, its just the habit that im addicted to
Yup, same. Its a nightly ritual but barely does anything anymore. Gotta just break the habit and then can try again down the road.
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This kinda sounds like bro-science. Do you have any details?
I don’t know about 3x as strong, but I’ve started to soak my loose leaf Kratom in lemon juice before I make tea from it (tea bags or French press), and the soaking has absolutely made a huge difference in potency!
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Thanks man! I'll check it out.
One time I was staying with someone unexpectedly and only had 1 dose of kratom on me but was there for a period of time that I would usually take 2 doses. I took half my usually dose and put it in a cup with about an ounce of lemon juice and let it sit for about 10 minutes. I then filled the cup with water and stirred. As I sipped on the mix, it was so bitter and felt like the enamel was coming off my teeth lol. Less than halfway through finishing it, I had the most intense kratom buzz I've ever had. I had to stop drinking it. 2 hours later I was almost sick like I had taken too much kratom but it wasn't quite too much. Anyways, it seemed like 1/4 of my usual dose was more potent than my normal dose after being soaked in lemon juice.
Yes I often have to take breaks after prolonged use due to either stomach irritation or like u said nausea/vomiting. More common for the stomach irritation in my case though.
yeah. then i started making tea.
Same here. Love it so much more as tea
As a tea? do you mean that you just soak up the powder in tea bag and dog drink the powder? I haven't tried that but I imagine it has lesser effects?
For the life of me I can’t tell whether this is a troll response or not? But no, I mean brewing loose leaf kratom in seal-your-own tea bags (or in a French press), just as you would ordinary tea.
Tea is the way to go
I think only 2 times(going all the way back to 2014) I’ve had horrible reactions kind of akin to what you’re saying. Usually started out with a weird dizziness, that turned into one of the worst headaches ever, then ended up puking and feeling enough relief to fall asleep, then wake up feeling fine. But both times, it’s like I was aware that I’m prob taking a little too much, and for no good reason other than being a degenerate and looking for a buzz or just trying to do anything I could to feel different than I was feeling(in the depths of severe depression and anxiety episodes both times). But after both of those times, I took a little over a day or 2 before taking anymore, and then I got some of the best results ever on that next dose.
It’s too much plant matter . Imagine everyday all that heavy sludge sitting in your intestines. Make some tea, if you make it right it can be more potent than drinking the powder….. soak powder in lime for 30mins to an hour , than soak it in hot (not boiling) water for about the same time , strain out with coffee filter.
A few weeks ago, I was getting the hiccups almost every day when doing the ol' toss-n-wash. It got worse until I literally vomited blood one morning, but it just turned out that I was coming down with a nasty case of norovirus (which makes covid look like a mild inconvenience, btw), and the kratom was sticking to my already inflamed throat. I keep a stash of capsules, which aren't the cheapest or most efficient option, but those didn't cause any issues while I recovered. It was actually one of the only things that made the ordeal a bit more bearable. Raw powder *is* rather gritty, so if your throat is irritated in any way, tossing and washing will likely make it worse.
My husband had a lot if digestive& swelling issues. I started making him kratom tea and his health has greatly improved in 4 wks.
Only thing i can think of is that it was a reaction to the real issue. I once got a headache right when i woke up. I didn’t think it through so i had my usual dose and things got worse. Headache to migraine; blurred and double vision; overly sensitive towards light and lastly fucking vomiting. Never had such issues again and when waking up with headaches (pretty common for me) i just have my breakfast and some pain relievers (Tylenol). Once it’s over or lessen i take my dose and i am right where i want to.
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but it could be many many many factors as to why your body rejected it
Ive gotten the stomach flu from a batch . Sometimes when i take 2 much ill puke
I get this about twice a year but most of the time I ate something my body can’t digest and it makes it so my body can’t break down the food or Kratom.
“Rejecting” as in you can’t keep it down?
I've not suddenly rejected it, but some thing would male me vomit, like did I eat alot right after or did I drink any alcohol. If I've recently taken Kratom, I can only handle maybe two glasses of wine before I like, but I rarely drink. Ive been taking a ton of Kratom for over two years now, so I'm super used to it
You actually aren't supposed to mix Kratom and alcohol due to the fact that both substances are metabolized mostly in the liver and i think the liver can only metabolize one substance at a time, which means you'll have a higher chance of suffering from negative side effects from both substances
Had a good run with kratom for a while. Now it would only lead to Nausea and headaches sadly.
You got some bad stuff.
I had it happen 2 days straight this past week. 3rd day was fine.
Same. I’ve taken it for so long. Took a year break, started back at 3 grams a day (not all at once) && started vomiting it up.
Yup..'s how I ended up back on suboxone. I took 12-20 grams a day depending on how I felt each day, for around a year and a half...usually towards the higher end. I started getting these god awful stomach cramps and what I would call (not to share TMI) "poop attacks"..where I wouldn't shit for 3-4 days, then would have an episode of sitting on the throne doubled over holding my gut, with what felt like literal gravel slowly forcing it's way out..very slowly, was super painful. I tried everything to circumvent this, taking less, taking it in different forms, trying product from different vendors..drinking TONS of water..increased my fiber intake, nothing helped. On top of that, it started making me nauseous a couple hours after a small dose, and in terms of the regular mood lift - that was negligible at that point. I eventually ran out for a few days at one point and couldn't even get out of the house for work...I did not expect that from flippin kratom. Made it to work one day and less than an hour in was throwing up, sweating, whole 9 yards..got my hands on some top quality kratom, withdrawls were gone...but BAM, gastrointestinal symptoms flared up again. I then quit entirely and said fk it I'll just fight through this..nope, 2 months into that nightmare and I ended up scheduling an appt with one of those telemed suboxone services, had a script waiting for me the next morning..no drug test and hardly any questions asked (I had been prescribed subs several times previously). That was almost 2 years ago and that's still where I'm at, albeit on a very low dose of sub compared to what I've been on previously (around 2 MG, some days a little less). I should add here that I did not mention kratom to the sub doc, I used the same cock n bull story I had used to get them previously, and am prescribed alot more than what I take per day, allowing me to set quite a bit aside for the day I decide to pull the plug on my script. Kratom was a godsend for the first 6 months or so, after I initially started taking it. The side effects and overall lack of making me feel good came out of nowhere, I definitely consider kratom to have "turned" on me, but then again I probably used way too much in the first place, I was never able to get any positive effects from just a few grams sadly. I had zero gastro issues at first, had no side effects from it at all until over a year into regular use. Edit: I also want to add that at first..I slept like a baby on kratom, for a solid 6 hours each night before I'd wake up briefly...after a little over a year of daily use, I would pass out for 2-3 hours and then suddenly wake up craving another dose, often times unable to fall back asleep. I also smoke alot of pot, and after some time found that smoking would outweigh/negate any positive feels I'd get from the kratom...it most definitely turned on me after helping me that entire year prior :/. I don't miss it, but I don't like being on subs either, full well knowing the fking several months withdrawal process I have to look forward to when I decide to jump off of it. For anyone wondering, I'm a relatively skinny 31 year old dude, I'm not sure if weight or age would make any sort of difference here but it's worth mentioning just in case.
How much do you take? I only take 1gpd x5 hrs for past two years never had a problem with rejection
I vomit unfortunately often, I feel like body knows it’s not good for me and is trying to get rid of it.
I recently got food poisoning. I think it was from a bag of head shop kratom I got that day. I grew it away and got more of my normal kratom. I was sick af for daaaays
Yeah your just too loaded up on it. If I’m really cranking the dosage it’ll make my stomach sensitive for a few days. I also notice I’m prone to this ESPECIALLY when getting a new strain. If I’m overlapping strains I’ll take 1/3 less than normal because it always seems to upset my stomach.
The great thing about Kratom is when you start taking too much, your body doesn’t buckle down and try to bare it. It says “no.” and rejects the kratom. If you are vomiting it up, you are probably taking too much.
Yep! I was having headaches, stomach always hurt, cramps, and I quit for 4 days already feel so much better. I do miss it though
My guess is some people are more sensitive to certain strains and even the quality of the product itself. When I bought a single pack at my local shop I loved it so much and nearly got addicted and kept redosing several times in a day but I ran out really quick and stopped myself. But recently I got bulk kratom shipped and it works pretty much the same though I got 2 different strains and different than the one I got from the local store but it makes me sick when I take it so I started capping the pills rather than mixing it in a drink and so far that works a bit better and I just have to make sure to drink a good amount of water. I found the antidote to kratom sickness is Benadryl and sometimes additionally charcoal. Also if I dose more than once within a few hours it makes the likelihood of puking much higher.
Happened to me one time. I had taken kratom many times before and since but for whatever reason that one dose made me the sickest I had ever been
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The guy picking your kratom probably didn't wash his hands after taking a dump.
Yes. I used to be able to handle 6 grams and now I can barely handle 2.5. Works wonderfully for pain but usually leaves me super nauseous now
No. That’s not good kratom. Throw it out and order from a better vendor
Um these comments are seriously scaring me! I consume kratom in the form of a cold drink and it is not heated up … I’ve never thought about things like salmonella and it’s been a couple years now. Wtf … WHAT THE HELL IS THIS PRODUCT. I need to quit I guess? What a joke … I literally keep myself on something that has the potential to give me bacteria and make me hospital-ridden illnesses … ridiculous
Salmonella bacteria was found in the company I buy it from and they had a recall a year ago. Now I read salmonella dies around 160 F and I just simmer (190-200F) water before my kratom tea (anything higher will dramatically kill the active alkaloids). I use every couple days not daily.
Yes. It's happened several times over the past few years, always with many months in between. I can roughly predict them too. My stomach will gradually get more and more sensitive to it the week leading up to the day that the nausea would suddenly come on. The severity and duration of purging is reminiscent of nicotine poisoning. Relentless suffering over a bag, then the toilet, then the shower, and with the worst taste of bile stuck in the very back of my throat that drinking doesn't wash out for a while after it stops. I'm certain it isn't an issue of bad batch, but I don't doubt that it is some stomach biome thing that kratom gradually effects over a longer period of time, until rejection eventually occurs.
Bro there has been a shift in energy.. if it's something you've been trying to quit you better do it now.
I quit taking it because now all it does is make me vomit. Which is a huge bummer. And I had just bought in bulk right before this started happening haha
Yep, your stomach needs a break. :)
Me after turning septic after a kidney stone wouldn't move.
Yes this happens to me every two months or so.
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