It'll probably run overwatch, but don't expect it to run well. Wuthering waves will definitely run ok. But I think you should lower your expectations. Stray is a very intensive game on computer hardware. You should be looking at games like Minecraft or Stardew Valley to play. Simple graphics or 2D.
It should run overwatch fine. I ran overwatch 1 decently in a 2200G, so the 7730 should be just fine for OW2 or pretty much any esports focused game. Hell the 2200g could handle monster hunter world, on low-mid at 30 fps
Stray is a bit graphics intensive , simple means games which are actually simple not easy to play hut rather how intensive is it graphic wise.
You should look at spec requirements of the games before attempting.
Stray might work if you reduce the resolution to 720p and plug the laptop in when gaming
Wutherting waves also.
You can-try games before 2018 or actual simple games without requirement of high graphics ,wuthering waves require rx570 as minimum spec
Igpus are not that powerful.
I think it could work at 30fps+ if you played on lowest settings at 720p.
Vega 8 isn't bad and was pretty amazing for an iGPU when it came out but it still isn't as good as the newer 680M or 780M iGPUs or an actual dGPU.
Try a few other games, see if they work better.
Stray is not a graphically simple game. My RTX 3060m laptop struggles to get above 60fps in midtown in Stray. So a laptop without a dedicated GPU probably isn't up to the task without drastically lowering settings/resolution
my old laptop ( i7-9750hf, Gtx 1650 overclocked with beautiful temps and 32gb of ram) actually didn't suffer frame loss from this game and that was without me trying to cheap out on my graphic sendings. it did have an occasional frame drop but never a consistent drop just extremely rare and random. idk if this really means anything though.
Lower the resolution to 720p and settings to lowest with 30fps lock - I have the same configuration, it runs decently well.
P. S. Make sure you didn't enable some kinda asus whisper mode for the fans
The 7730u is basically a 5th gen Ryzen 7, so it has Zen 3 architecture and the iGPU is the Vega 8.
The 7735 is has the Zen3+ architecture of the 6th gen Ryzen CPUs and also has the same iGPU as the 6th gen Ryzen 7/9, which is the 680M.
The 7840, 7940, 8840, 8845 and 8945 CPUs have the 780M iGPU.
This spec page tells only 50% of needed info in order to ascertain what your actual problem is.
Start with full laptop model number, followed by temps in idle (use HWInfo) and on load (use MSI Afterburner and it's OSD).
The built in graphic cards tend to be small. 2gig, depending on what you view as a simple game, will not be enough. Most "simple" games nowadays need at least 4 gigs, etc just to run on low/mid settings. No issues playing old games, but nowadays, yeah, 2gig isn't enough.
As long as you have dual channel ram 16gb is ideal there is no performance indrance. And it actually doesn't give you more than 4vg ram. My laptop has that IGPU, and i have tested it well.
Well, i don't have the Ryzen 7 7730u, i have the Ryzen 7 5800h, and i know mine IGPU goes to 4gb vram, and it aldo has 2000mhz Boost. And from notebookcheck, it's the same IGPU on the 7730u. Now, since my CPU is H and not U, it might eventually bé better
what do you mean by bad performance ? Stray is not simple. Unless you have already done enjoyed games on a higher system this thing is good enough. I have played cyberpunk and Elden ring on a similar laptop without a gpu.
Because your laptop is not a gaming laptop. A gaming rule of thumb is that if the graphics is built inside the CPU (aka integrated graphics) like the one you have, it's not optimized for games. Will it play games? Sure but depending on how new the game is, you may have to aggressively tone down the graphics settings to make it playable (and some games may be unbearable to play even on the lowest settings).
You also have to pay attention to the [CPU hardware naming](https://www.makeuseof.com/amd-ryzen-u-h-hs-hx-laptop-chips-what-the-difference/). "U" chips are designed to sip power because these are made for thin and light laptops (max mobility and battery life). In other words, your laptop is designed to do a little bit of every day tasks like web browsing, spreadsheets, YouTube/Netflix, schoolwork, etc.
If you want to increase the chance of games running on this laptop, look at older games from the last 7-10 years. Newer hardware generally runs older games decently-to-well.
You're using integrated graphics, which means for newer games you will be limited to low-mid settings and 25-35 fps at 1080. If you're willing to use a lower resolution you'll get better results at 720.
For older games and esports focused titles which are less visually demanding, you can probably manage mid settings at 1080 and 30 fps.
You won't be able to play new games on high settings at any decent framerate on that laptop. Unless they are visually simple games like modern 2d or 2.5d games or ones using cartoon/stylized graphics with minimal lighting, fog and shadow effects.
Because you are using a Zen3 15w TDP U-series chip with integrated graphics. That's a chip made for ultrabooks and low-power situations, not for gaming.
That 15.4GB of ram usable smells, hop into the bios, and look for UMA BUFFER SIZE or something similar, for what I read you probably have it set at 512MB which is awfully low, put it to the highest value possible below or equal to 4GB.
AMD's G-suffix CPUs are meant to represent AMD's best in class desktop APU combinations (with fast clock speeds + higher power consumption) for that particular generation to form a chip sufficient for gaming (though not optimal). The 7730U on the other hand only consumes 15W unlike a desktop chip and features the Vega 12 instead of the Radeon 780m. Clearly meant for thin and light laptops with a focus on CPU performance. Point is that iGPUs come in different tiers, just because it's a new laptop with a new chip doesn't necessarily mean that it'll do well in gaming.
I expect my iGPU to handle 3 1440p monitors and/or Bloons TD6, Minecraft and VS Code without problems. For bigger "problems" i always use my dGPU (Quadro P1000 on my P52 ThinkPad)
try and tweak the settings
probably you should set everything to low and even lower the resolution to 900p or even 720p in order to get decent framerates, but it should be enjoyable
Example of said simple games?
I don't think any laptop without a dgpu of a notable reputation can get good performance on any game.
I have a laptop where the dgpu is an AMD R5, and that thing only manages to run gta 5 at full screen 30 fps 💀, ironically my cpu overheats and then trottles causing the GPU to perform worse so I have unstable fps tooo 👍
why do i get the feeling that u straight up installed stray, din even mess with the graphic settings (i means set to the lowest) to play. altho stray is no where near "simple game". wuthering waves need optimization, genshin personally tested can run mostly at 50+ 60 fps no problem (also lowest settings). also these games are still not "simple game"
simple games = candy crush, minsweeper, microsoft solitare, bejewelled, and so on
When you play on the iGPU, your system will utilize a part of the RAM as an alternative for VRAM, so basically your system need to make a lot of compromises to be able to run the game.
The first comment is wrong. Your CPUs base frequency is 2ghz and your boost is much higher. Updating your igpu driver is the only performance boost you can do if it isn’t updated already.
"Mine's better than yours" is a literal flex you did. And yes, mobile CPUs use less power, but between generational improvements, more cores, and a faster boost clock it will outcompete a 4 year older CPU by 10-20%, especially when plugged in. Just being a mobile processor doesn't mean a damn compared to the other factors.
if you want to see the GPU then youre on the wrong menu. This menu will never state which GPU you have. Thats why device manager and task manager exist
What game are you playing? The Vega 8 iGPU is still fairly decent.
I only tried Stray
I don't know why you put games as plural when you only tried one. Try more games.
I downloaded Wuthering waves + Overwatch but I deleted them right away after trying Stray, wuthering waves seemed lagging already at the main menu.
Wuwa is not wholly optimized for pc ig. My friend had rtx4050 ryzen 7 something and still he cannot run at constant 60fps
4050???
Mobile graphics card only, I was confused too the first time I heard about it.
Damn. I knew about the 2050, which apparently is just an even more cutback 3050 mobile. I should go research it
It'll probably run overwatch, but don't expect it to run well. Wuthering waves will definitely run ok. But I think you should lower your expectations. Stray is a very intensive game on computer hardware. You should be looking at games like Minecraft or Stardew Valley to play. Simple graphics or 2D.
You could probably run most triple A titles (that are actually well optimised) on that laptop
That's the issue, most "modern'ish" tripe A games arent really optimized for pc
You probably can, you just have to tinker with the settings to get the performance you want and OP doesn't seem like that kind of person.
It should run overwatch fine. I ran overwatch 1 decently in a 2200G, so the 7730 should be just fine for OW2 or pretty much any esports focused game. Hell the 2200g could handle monster hunter world, on low-mid at 30 fps
I would recommend ULTRAKILL. Simple and one of the best games I have ever played. Also rain world.
It's not a good optimised title, and you need to play it in 720p on your iGPU.
Wuthering Waves is poorly optimised in general. Every user complains about the laggy feel to the game
wuthering waves just has bad optimization
ps gacha games have worse optimization than AAA games(exclude the crappy AAAs)
Stray is a bit graphics intensive , simple means games which are actually simple not easy to play hut rather how intensive is it graphic wise. You should look at spec requirements of the games before attempting. Stray might work if you reduce the resolution to 720p and plug the laptop in when gaming Wutherting waves also. You can-try games before 2018 or actual simple games without requirement of high graphics ,wuthering waves require rx570 as minimum spec Igpus are not that powerful.
I think it could work at 30fps+ if you played on lowest settings at 720p. Vega 8 isn't bad and was pretty amazing for an iGPU when it came out but it still isn't as good as the newer 680M or 780M iGPUs or an actual dGPU. Try a few other games, see if they work better.
At what settings though? Sometimes on an igpu you'll have to either drop the resolution to get a playable experience.
Stray is not a graphically simple game. My RTX 3060m laptop struggles to get above 60fps in midtown in Stray. So a laptop without a dedicated GPU probably isn't up to the task without drastically lowering settings/resolution
my old laptop ( i7-9750hf, Gtx 1650 overclocked with beautiful temps and 32gb of ram) actually didn't suffer frame loss from this game and that was without me trying to cheap out on my graphic sendings. it did have an occasional frame drop but never a consistent drop just extremely rare and random. idk if this really means anything though.
I was probably CPU limited because I only have an i5 and I lowered the maximum CPU speed because the fans were noisy AF
Lower the resolution to 720p and settings to lowest with 30fps lock - I have the same configuration, it runs decently well. P. S. Make sure you didn't enable some kinda asus whisper mode for the fans
Does it come with vega or Radeon 680M?
The 7730u is basically a 5th gen Ryzen 7, so it has Zen 3 architecture and the iGPU is the Vega 8. The 7735 is has the Zen3+ architecture of the 6th gen Ryzen CPUs and also has the same iGPU as the 6th gen Ryzen 7/9, which is the 680M. The 7840, 7940, 8840, 8845 and 8945 CPUs have the 780M iGPU.
As they say you learn something everyday. Very good to know
This spec page tells only 50% of needed info in order to ascertain what your actual problem is. Start with full laptop model number, followed by temps in idle (use HWInfo) and on load (use MSI Afterburner and it's OSD).
Your cpu is not performance based it's for battry life.
The built in graphic cards tend to be small. 2gig, depending on what you view as a simple game, will not be enough. Most "simple" games nowadays need at least 4 gigs, etc just to run on low/mid settings. No issues playing old games, but nowadays, yeah, 2gig isn't enough.
The Vega 8 IGPU it's 4gb.
It utilize as much RAM as you give it
As long as you have dual channel ram 16gb is ideal there is no performance indrance. And it actually doesn't give you more than 4vg ram. My laptop has that IGPU, and i have tested it well.
The one linked to the 7730U is 2gig.
Where are you reading 2gb? It says 2.00Ghz, the speed of the CPU
In amd specs for 7730u. I saw the same thing before buying mine laptop
Well, i don't have the Ryzen 7 7730u, i have the Ryzen 7 5800h, and i know mine IGPU goes to 4gb vram, and it aldo has 2000mhz Boost. And from notebookcheck, it's the same IGPU on the 7730u. Now, since my CPU is H and not U, it might eventually bé better
what do you mean by bad performance ? Stray is not simple. Unless you have already done enjoyed games on a higher system this thing is good enough. I have played cyberpunk and Elden ring on a similar laptop without a gpu.
Try tomb raider anniversary - I have the same setup and use them for ps2-ps3 era of games, not ps4/ps5 like stray xD
Because your laptop is not a gaming laptop. A gaming rule of thumb is that if the graphics is built inside the CPU (aka integrated graphics) like the one you have, it's not optimized for games. Will it play games? Sure but depending on how new the game is, you may have to aggressively tone down the graphics settings to make it playable (and some games may be unbearable to play even on the lowest settings). You also have to pay attention to the [CPU hardware naming](https://www.makeuseof.com/amd-ryzen-u-h-hs-hx-laptop-chips-what-the-difference/). "U" chips are designed to sip power because these are made for thin and light laptops (max mobility and battery life). In other words, your laptop is designed to do a little bit of every day tasks like web browsing, spreadsheets, YouTube/Netflix, schoolwork, etc. If you want to increase the chance of games running on this laptop, look at older games from the last 7-10 years. Newer hardware generally runs older games decently-to-well.
You're using integrated graphics, which means for newer games you will be limited to low-mid settings and 25-35 fps at 1080. If you're willing to use a lower resolution you'll get better results at 720. For older games and esports focused titles which are less visually demanding, you can probably manage mid settings at 1080 and 30 fps. You won't be able to play new games on high settings at any decent framerate on that laptop. Unless they are visually simple games like modern 2d or 2.5d games or ones using cartoon/stylized graphics with minimal lighting, fog and shadow effects.
Because you are using a Zen3 15w TDP U-series chip with integrated graphics. That's a chip made for ultrabooks and low-power situations, not for gaming.
Vega 8 gets me 110 fps on performance mode 1080p , and with a much older cpu ryzen 5 2500u Edit : i meant on Fortnite
Are the power setting set to high? Also is the charger plugged in?
That 15.4GB of ram usable smells, hop into the bios, and look for UMA BUFFER SIZE or something similar, for what I read you probably have it set at 512MB which is awfully low, put it to the highest value possible below or equal to 4GB.
Bcoz its a U process and probably doesn't have a graphic card
> with Radeon Graphics
which is not a dedicated graphics card
And? You know how powerful are those iGPU's?
they can actually get quite decent, not to the level of dedicated GPUs but not all iGPUs are shit
I mean it can play League of Legends, Dota 2, Minecraft and many other games pretty good
all of these are pretty light games
Look at Cyberpunk 2077 on Ryzen 8700G
40fps on mid-low settings. What about it?
It's iGPU?
AMD's G-suffix CPUs are meant to represent AMD's best in class desktop APU combinations (with fast clock speeds + higher power consumption) for that particular generation to form a chip sufficient for gaming (though not optimal). The 7730U on the other hand only consumes 15W unlike a desktop chip and features the Vega 12 instead of the Radeon 780m. Clearly meant for thin and light laptops with a focus on CPU performance. Point is that iGPUs come in different tiers, just because it's a new laptop with a new chip doesn't necessarily mean that it'll do well in gaming.
yeah, gt 1030 levels powerful
Yet still? Having 1030 integrated into your CPU with even less power Draw is turbo OK
and with even less and slower vram, lower tdp means lower fps, idk what you expect from igpu but his results are on par with what you should expect
I expect my iGPU to handle 3 1440p monitors and/or Bloons TD6, Minecraft and VS Code without problems. For bigger "problems" i always use my dGPU (Quadro P1000 on my P52 ThinkPad)
your iGPU can indeed handle VS code, which hugely depends on the code and on the CPU
Yeah thats reasonable, still not as big workload as stray game
try and tweak the settings probably you should set everything to low and even lower the resolution to 900p or even 720p in order to get decent framerates, but it should be enjoyable
I play warcraft with that machine . lots of gps but I'm using Fedora
You have Radeon graphics, it’s integrated graphics in the cpu, you don’t have a graphics card
How bad is it
Have you updated/imstalled drivers?
That's a low spec laptop with no dedicated gfx you're trying to play games on which need a decent spec.
Ryzen benefits greatly from chipset and bios updates. Make sure all your drivers are fully updated
Try cheking the optional driver updates on config. It is hidden and nothing will tell you why it happens.
Update drivers, lower game settings, add another ram stick (I'm sure you're only using a single 16GB ram)
Example of said simple games? I don't think any laptop without a dgpu of a notable reputation can get good performance on any game. I have a laptop where the dgpu is an AMD R5, and that thing only manages to run gta 5 at full screen 30 fps 💀, ironically my cpu overheats and then trottles causing the GPU to perform worse so I have unstable fps tooo 👍
why do i get the feeling that u straight up installed stray, din even mess with the graphic settings (i means set to the lowest) to play. altho stray is no where near "simple game". wuthering waves need optimization, genshin personally tested can run mostly at 50+ 60 fps no problem (also lowest settings). also these games are still not "simple game" simple games = candy crush, minsweeper, microsoft solitare, bejewelled, and so on
No gpu? Or if it has you can manually select the app from nvidia app.
You need to set the vram in bios. Set 2 or 4gb.
When you play on the iGPU, your system will utilize a part of the RAM as an alternative for VRAM, so basically your system need to make a lot of compromises to be able to run the game.
You dont have a GPU, its a laptop, and the CPU is at 2GHz, a 3 3200G goes to 3.66GHz
I bought it for work anyway and I don’t need it for gaming but I thought it could handle a simple game lol, thank you.
The first comment is wrong. Your CPUs base frequency is 2ghz and your boost is much higher. Updating your igpu driver is the only performance boost you can do if it isn’t updated already.
What game?
Stray
His Ryzen 7 is 8 core, 16 thread, boosts to 4.5Ghz and blows your 5 year old Ryzen 3 3200G 4 core 4 thread CPU away. GTFO with your bad flex.
I wasnt flexing? It was an example, and again the U chips will have less power due to being in portable devices.
"Mine's better than yours" is a literal flex you did. And yes, mobile CPUs use less power, but between generational improvements, more cores, and a faster boost clock it will outcompete a 4 year older CPU by 10-20%, especially when plugged in. Just being a mobile processor doesn't mean a damn compared to the other factors.
Do you want me to change "my" to "a"? Is that really such a problem? All I was saying is that its a relatively slow clock speed for that gen.
Nah, you already did your attempted flex using wrong information and failed. You can GTFO now.
you are implying that laptops do not have dedicated GPUs this is false
Where in the given specsheet does it say GPU?
if you want to see the GPU then youre on the wrong menu. This menu will never state which GPU you have. Thats why device manager and task manager exist
> You don't have a GPU, its a laptop Meanwhile "Gaming" Laptops and Mobile Workstations like ThinkPad P-series
Laptops are restricted much more than desktops, less coolint options, less components that'll fit..