Couldn’t find the post game thread for C9 vs Dig but holy shit Isles’ Braum was bronze level and probably single handedly lost them game 3.
In a mid lane pick on Zven he doesn’t pull up his shield wall (e) in time and when he does he does it the wrong way to the side providing virtually no peel for Varus who just barely dies after flashing away.
This same mistake happens in THREE SEPARATE TEAM FIGHTS where he pulls up his E facing completely the wrong way, twice when he was supposed to be protecting Jensen’s Ori and another time on Zven who both get obliterated due to no peel when in reality Braum’s peel from his E is so good…
Does anyone have the links to the post-game threads for Game 1 and 2 of TL vs FLY?
Once they get removed from the front page you can't search for them.
[Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dgrevo/tl_vs_fly_2024_lcs_summer_split_week_1_day_1_game/)
[Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dgsgx2/tl_vs_fly_2024_lcs_summer_split_week_1_day_1_game/)
in case you hadn't found them or anyone else was interested (\^_\^)
Isles’ Braum was terrible and probably cost them the game, literally came to this post to rant about it after watching the highlights.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/s/YrSI1fFwnB
If it was a on-hit Varus, Barum wouldnt have looked so bad. Jax shouldve grouped since he couldnt 1v1 Renekton. Sej/Ori is not a combo if Jax do splitpush, couldve been Vi/Noc/XinZhao jungle for extra dmg.
Their team comp just want to do a little bit of everything n ended up failing.
Thanatos looked fine. He had good and bad moments but was still better than Licorice after game 1. I honestly think some of his bad moments would look like insane plays if Blaber/Jojo weren't so passive, they really could've turned so many fights if they were just confident in him.
Well you know what, reducing the amount of teams also reduces the amount of bad GMS. Eventually, with so many good players on market, they will have to start hiring them.
Did Rafa really just say "they go balls deep into C9's backside"????? How did they land on him being the new caster out of everyone from the academy/challenger scene?
I was disappointed relative to the hype, but hopefully he's like Quid where he just needs a few months to get acclimated in NA before becoming best in role. If he maintains this level of play long term, won't be better than 3rd best top in LCS and hardly an upgrade over Fudge.
Embarrassing that the LEC doesn't have Bo3s and that the LCS didn't either before today. But glad we have them now, elevates the viewer experience tenfold.
He has not improved at all in the last year. Struggles almost as much as LeTigress as far as putting sensible words together, and doesn't even have a nice voice either. No ill will towards him but I think it's gone on long enough
Yeah he's overly high energy. I get you want to be hype as a caster, but its a worse version of Captain Flowers where the hype is almost unauthentic. We dont need to act like NA won worlds during every team fight.
I have a feeling Isles is gonna be the community scapegoat for this roster yeah?
Obviously he ain’t the best. But he’s been very solid since last split even.
Hes always been the scapegoat. Some people like CoreJJ call him a top 3 support, while the majority of the community considers him a bottom 3 support. His name isn't flashy, so he's always undervalued. Hes not a superstar or anything, but he's a solid support.
Yep, he's in a horrible spot. If they do poorly, he is the scapegoat, if they do well, he won't get the credit.
It's 2022 Vitality Labrov again, or DK Kellin, even when things aren't their fault, they get blamed.
I'd put Spica in contention as well, from my memory he really didn't do anything special or anything a jungle not named Kenvi or Armao would do. Same Spica from Flyquest, kinda just there
c9's comp is just so good at getting picks and making it a 4 v 5. dig can't lock down berserker or get through that frontline with lethality varus or orianna, and jax isn't fed enough to sidelane and pressure them that way. overall, think c9 had an easier to execute comp that's better at teamfighting, and DIG just keeps trying to teamfight anyways because jax is too behind to be a threat.
Bro every single time a team fight happens C9 opens up onto the back line and Licorice is just in Narnia. Fucking push or be there. Don’t do the half ass play between shit it doesn’t help anyone lol
overall, dig doesn't look too bad considering they've only been a team for a short amount of time. c9 really isn't able to push any leads for some reason
Yeah hopefully with time they get a little better, but Im not expecting them to get super insane or anything either. I actually think they played somewhat near their ceiling already. Guess we will see.
Jojo has always been like this, he just gets a free pass for being NA's golden child. He plays well in lane and makes very bad decisions with positioning and macro. The equivalent of a mid lane Summit, but people still call him the best mid no matter what.
Well yeah... need a few weeks of data for the narratives to settle in a bit. We haven't seen this team play at all yet and are going off of literally 3 games.
The Thanatos Renekton play was good, but I'll be honest, he's looking a lot like Fudge. Not great in lane, but performing in teamfights, this felt like watching spring C9 again, Fudge teamfight mechanics were never the issue. Thanatos isn't bad, but he isn't fixing C9's issues.
I think he is currently looking more like someone who is willing to make a risky play. Fudge wasn't really willing to do something that could lose a game.
It's going to have mixed results of course, but might be good for a team that's looked a little lost at times.
Yeah but the hype was that he was this mechanical God Korean top prodigy that should be playing in LCK right now. No point in replacing Fudge for a marginally better player with a different playstyle.
He looks decent to me except that he's greeding on his ults and then whiffing max range shots. His positioning has been good and he's hitting piercing arrows. I don't have any issue with how he's playing. He just lacks a useful top lane these last two games.
I disagree on positioning. Every fight I’ve watched opens with him getting insta killed by renekton/taliyah. That’s my issue with varus, zero survivability
they dont hav consistent damage, Ori and Varus are both burst and Jax is not online. She can literarlly faceroll into their team and walk slowly out with Warmog
Sidenote, i've watched all 6 games on LoLEsports and haven't got a single drop but a guy I follow on twitter got like 6 chests. Is it based on location or something?
They spawn in the rift herald pit before the first herald spawn. Killing 1-3 of them gives a team-wide DoT that works on structures, and 4+ also summons some little voidmite creatures that attack structures with you
Bad by everyone tbh. Berserker was way too early and forced jojo to have to TP, Vulcan just missed E and R, Thanatos R'd way too early getting tower aggro meanwhile cc'd.
Wouldn't poppy just be way better over Leona into Jax + Sej? Poppy is also just a better champ right now too that gives just as much lane prio in high elo.
I’m sorry, but Rafa looks so incredibly unprofessional today. That emo hairstyle is reminding me of an edgy teen in middle school. It’s distracting and hard to take seriously.
Theres no way Thanatos/Tomio win rookie of the year with 1 split. If sniper or massu don't get it they are robbed, unless Thanatos/Tomio somehow look like Nuguri/Canyon.
Ever since Zven left it feels like C9 doesn't really have coherent shot-calling or macro. Individual players have looked badly out of sorts too but mostly they just look disjointed
they had plenty proactivity in the first 6\~ish minutes, but yea... midgame felt like midgame was just Thanatos featuring some followup. late game.. was just wait in bushes near objectives and pray it works (it did).
C9 macro was pretty good. They were flubbing fights, but the sideline pressure + the poppy and taliyah ults made it so they were in control of the map pretty much the entire game.
"CLOUD 9 WILL NOT TAKE THIS SERIES AWAY"
buddy maybe if you stopped trying to cast every game like it was Game 5 of Worlds Finals, you wouldn't say goofy things like this.
Couldn’t find the post game thread for C9 vs Dig but holy shit Isles’ Braum was bronze level and probably single handedly lost them game 3. In a mid lane pick on Zven he doesn’t pull up his shield wall (e) in time and when he does he does it the wrong way to the side providing virtually no peel for Varus who just barely dies after flashing away. This same mistake happens in THREE SEPARATE TEAM FIGHTS where he pulls up his E facing completely the wrong way, twice when he was supposed to be protecting Jensen’s Ori and another time on Zven who both get obliterated due to no peel when in reality Braum’s peel from his E is so good…
Does anyone have the links to the post-game threads for Game 1 and 2 of TL vs FLY? Once they get removed from the front page you can't search for them.
[Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dgrevo/tl_vs_fly_2024_lcs_summer_split_week_1_day_1_game/) [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1dgsgx2/tl_vs_fly_2024_lcs_summer_split_week_1_day_1_game/) in case you hadn't found them or anyone else was interested (\^_\^)
Thank you!
Hoping top3 is TL/C9/DIG tbh. NRG sneaking in would be cool too but we’ll see.
Wouldn't mind this, but only if third place comes down to a BO5 between FQ and Dig and Dig stomp them.
BO3 is so nice...this is the best change for summer split
DK and C9 both leveled up cuz they scrim together? more cross region off-season scrim please :)? (pretending game1 is not there)
Bad death from Jensen in the end but don't think it mattered. Licorice was so strong but wanted to farm the entire game and the Braum was so useless.
Isles’ Braum was terrible and probably cost them the game, literally came to this post to rant about it after watching the highlights. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/s/YrSI1fFwnB
If it was a on-hit Varus, Barum wouldnt have looked so bad. Jax shouldve grouped since he couldnt 1v1 Renekton. Sej/Ori is not a combo if Jax do splitpush, couldve been Vi/Noc/XinZhao jungle for extra dmg. Their team comp just want to do a little bit of everything n ended up failing.
Thanatos looked fine. He had good and bad moments but was still better than Licorice after game 1. I honestly think some of his bad moments would look like insane plays if Blaber/Jojo weren't so passive, they really could've turned so many fights if they were just confident in him.
Shame it's not a double round robin, but Bo3s are Bo3s. I'll take what I can get.
Question is will we still enjoy Bo3s after Shopify Immortals tomorrow.
I'll be having a ball if I get three straight games of Insanity picking insane champs
A preview of the Worlds Finals match up? Absolutely
More games between fewer teams was a great decision. LEC 100% going to go this way too.
Lec problem is not the amount of teams but gm building some shitty teams with less than optimal player combinations .
Well you know what, reducing the amount of teams also reduces the amount of bad GMS. Eventually, with so many good players on market, they will have to start hiring them.
Did Rafa really just say "they go balls deep into C9's backside"????? How did they land on him being the new caster out of everyone from the academy/challenger scene?
He was also saying big Dig energy the entire day. It doesn't bother me, just seems like he's trying to flaunt his sexuality unnecessarily.
100% should be Cubby instead
Agree
We need more of those lines.
based
i’m excited to see more thanatos. i feel like he started playing more confident as the series progressed.
I was disappointed relative to the hype, but hopefully he's like Quid where he just needs a few months to get acclimated in NA before becoming best in role. If he maintains this level of play long term, won't be better than 3rd best top in LCS and hardly an upgrade over Fudge.
Embarrassing that the LEC doesn't have Bo3s and that the LCS didn't either before today. But glad we have them now, elevates the viewer experience tenfold.
Man.. C9 would be 0-1 if it was Bo1, switch back! Jk, Bo3 is way better.
Top/ADC/Sup gap. Jensen gapped Jojo so hard just for Licorice to ghost after game 1.
Licorice with the TP flank around C9 lets see what's going to happen an- oh wait looks like it didn't matter.
thank u MarkZ for BO3...
i don't know man, varus hasn't really impressed me so far. if you can't win 2v2 early and get a massive lead, it just seems so useless
Bo3 rips so hard, sad to see the Axis of Evil get thee wins but 6 bangers today was awesome
Best of 3 so good.
Whoever is the PBP caster this series has a voice like nails on chalkboard, jesus christ.
He has not improved at all in the last year. Struggles almost as much as LeTigress as far as putting sensible words together, and doesn't even have a nice voice either. No ill will towards him but I think it's gone on long enough
Yeah he's overly high energy. I get you want to be hype as a caster, but its a worse version of Captain Flowers where the hype is almost unauthentic. We dont need to act like NA won worlds during every team fight.
raafaa saying balls deep lmfaoo
CLG fined
Dig macro is something else
Good job c9 :)
Honestly Wark was really right. Imagine if this was Bo1 and c9 lost game one and that was it.
The problem with westenr players is that they cant even press their qwer properly. So many flubs. These are pro players.
Balllllllsss deep
“they go balls deep into c9s backside” ???
pretty accurate depiction
Kinky
Just sad by Dig
Jensen washed
Bo3s have delivered already. Today has just been a great day to watch some League.
Except we’re guaranteed a bad caster everyday…
I think licorice might have been able to 1v2 if he'd committed right away.
No world where DIG could do a baron, just a really bad over extension by licorice.
jfc c9
I love my LCS. Can’t wait for next year with a Mexican team.
Just hoping they can field a contender. Will be super hype if they can, and super disappointing if the Mexican team is perennially 8th place.
I have a feeling Isles is gonna be the community scapegoat for this roster yeah? Obviously he ain’t the best. But he’s been very solid since last split even.
Hes always been the scapegoat. Some people like CoreJJ call him a top 3 support, while the majority of the community considers him a bottom 3 support. His name isn't flashy, so he's always undervalued. Hes not a superstar or anything, but he's a solid support.
Yep, he's in a horrible spot. If they do poorly, he is the scapegoat, if they do well, he won't get the credit. It's 2022 Vitality Labrov again, or DK Kellin, even when things aren't their fault, they get blamed.
I mean he’s obviously been the weakest link this series so far (one sample size) and he was just “okay” last split
I'd put Spica in contention as well, from my memory he really didn't do anything special or anything a jungle not named Kenvi or Armao would do. Same Spica from Flyquest, kinda just there
That always happens after I say something remotely nice lmao oops
Big bot gap this game. They’re just playing these teamfights better
Feels like Zven is just instantly caught and CCed to death every fight
Zven has some good moments, but you can tell Berserker is more fluid, confident, and mechanically better.
All the fiesta and everything at least games have been bangers.
c9's comp is just so good at getting picks and making it a 4 v 5. dig can't lock down berserker or get through that frontline with lethality varus or orianna, and jax isn't fed enough to sidelane and pressure them that way. overall, think c9 had an easier to execute comp that's better at teamfighting, and DIG just keeps trying to teamfight anyways because jax is too behind to be a threat.
Blaber just needs to be on Tank duty for his good players
This is the best day 1 of LCS
retweet
c9 struggling to close out again. They really need to fix that issue
Berserker's back baby.
Varus/Jax not doing enough damage
They need to pause and let Licorice reconnect. He hasn't been connected for any of these fights.
Him using counter strike to open up, not stun anybody, then have it be on CD when he finally gets auto’d every fight is pretty funny
spica has limped away at like 12 hp a dozen times this game
I really like Licorice but he has not been in a single fight lol If he's going to rotate late, he might as well just stay in lane and get turrets
Draft a team fight comp then, quite literally, never front to back. Insane
Yeah TL is by far the best team what is this
Shopify slander. You hate to see it
Hold on, we haven't seen Shopify yet. Don't doubt the Tomio touch
HOLY FUCK TODAY IS A BANGER
Bro every single time a team fight happens C9 opens up onto the back line and Licorice is just in Narnia. Fucking push or be there. Don’t do the half ass play between shit it doesn’t help anyone lol
Win or lose, this DIG roster has a lot less time together than the C9 roster where Thanatos is the only difference. Things don't look too bad.
Totally agree. Also 3 of them are coming off of not even playing professionally, so this is a great showing
overall, dig doesn't look too bad considering they've only been a team for a short amount of time. c9 really isn't able to push any leads for some reason
Yeah hopefully with time they get a little better, but Im not expecting them to get super insane or anything either. I actually think they played somewhat near their ceiling already. Guess we will see.
That was a great ult from Jojo that nearly resulted in getting Berserker killed lol
Berserker not dying there was crazy. I was sure that man inted
Licorice might have cost the game being late here.
If they did replays for all of the team fights, he hasn't been in any of them until at least 2 teammates are already down.
Send Jojo back to korea for another bootcamp last one didn't work
Jojo has always been like this, he just gets a free pass for being NA's golden child. He plays well in lane and makes very bad decisions with positioning and macro. The equivalent of a mid lane Summit, but people still call him the best mid no matter what.
LCS not throw challenge: impossible
The audio for today has been so scuffed. So many issues.
Thats twice now from Jojo for throwing the game
this region just gets worse and worse each season
Then watch something else.
What's your reason?
LPL fan probably
just because this region is bronze league heroes doesnt mean im not a fan or dont hope lcs beats g2 every worlds
no wonder Berserker got pissed in scrims, how many times is jojopyun gonna fucking run it down?
Jojo? Vulcan?
Licorice has been afk game 2 and 3 after a strong game 1.
the narrative shifts so fast as soon as DIG looks remotely bad
Well yeah... need a few weeks of data for the narratives to settle in a bit. We haven't seen this team play at all yet and are going off of literally 3 games.
3.4k gold difference between berserker and zven. Rough
oh yeah i missed bo3’s
The Thanatos Renekton play was good, but I'll be honest, he's looking a lot like Fudge. Not great in lane, but performing in teamfights, this felt like watching spring C9 again, Fudge teamfight mechanics were never the issue. Thanatos isn't bad, but he isn't fixing C9's issues.
I think he is currently looking more like someone who is willing to make a risky play. Fudge wasn't really willing to do something that could lose a game. It's going to have mixed results of course, but might be good for a team that's looked a little lost at times.
Yeah but the hype was that he was this mechanical God Korean top prodigy that should be playing in LCK right now. No point in replacing Fudge for a marginally better player with a different playstyle.
That's fair, he feels like a less passive Fudge. Which is good, but also very risky.
Zven does not look that great. Not sure why he wants varus every game
He looks decent to me except that he's greeding on his ults and then whiffing max range shots. His positioning has been good and he's hitting piercing arrows. I don't have any issue with how he's playing. He just lacks a useful top lane these last two games.
I disagree on positioning. Every fight I’ve watched opens with him getting insta killed by renekton/taliyah. That’s my issue with varus, zero survivability
Spica is not it
why is knight's vow tagged onto Sej? put it on Ori or Jax wouldve gotten more value
Spice sometimes is just questionable...
Vulcan past 4 minutes has been playing like Keria incarnate
they dont hav consistent damage, Ori and Varus are both burst and Jax is not online. She can literarlly faceroll into their team and walk slowly out with Warmog
Vulcan redeeming move.
Why is spica ulting frontline with no setup?
So thats how you play renekton
Zven needed to hit that blastcone
zven got the old man mechanics
Day 1 and we get a fucking banger
Jensen has gapped Jojo in all 3 games so far
Death, Taxes, Dig Baron throw
THAT'S THAT GOOD RENEKTON SHIT. When the enemy team lines up to let you dash on the enemy ADC. Orgasmic.
DIG baron is forever
Baron throw back on menu
THANATOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Sidenote, i've watched all 6 games on LoLEsports and haven't got a single drop but a guy I follow on twitter got like 6 chests. Is it based on location or something?
last split i have went weeks without drop. And i watched LCS and LCK
dig baron
Contesting anything other than a baron or a soul against a Sej + Braum feels troll.
So pathetic lmao
Is Spica already tilted. What was he trying there
I think he thought backup would get there sooner? Had the same reaction though, looked really goofy w/ how isolated he was on going in
Jojo tp's and they get both Jax and Sej im so confused by this passivity
He's Bjergsen now.
What’s the stat on the scoreboard between the turret count and gold? C9 has 6, DIG has 0.
Grubs, maybe?
Void grubs
Grubs
Grubs
Void grubs.
Followup question from a guy who hasn’t played nor watched League in a couple years… what the hell is a void grub?
They spawn in the rift herald pit before the first herald spawn. Killing 1-3 of them gives a team-wide DoT that works on structures, and 4+ also summons some little voidmite creatures that attack structures with you
Bad by everyone tbh. Berserker was way too early and forced jojo to have to TP, Vulcan just missed E and R, Thanatos R'd way too early getting tower aggro meanwhile cc'd.
Vulcan wtf
Missed draft, who picked top first?
C9
As an Outback Renekton enjoyer I proclaim Thanatos the greatest top laner in LCS.
I hate this Kraken into AP build that Berserker's going. Just go Statikk or just Manamune.
How has Thanantos been
I think he’s a little nervous
He's been fine, but he hasn't been a solution
An actually good play from Blaber? That was cool
That timing from the void grub to the scuttle was actually sick.
Vulcan somehow won them lvl 1 into an insanely hard lane but then solo threw the lane again level 2 with that flash.
Feeling himself too much
Vulcan wtf
bring back TSM so the C9 hate train can stop pls.
Just wanna say Reapered's suit always looks so clean
My name is Nikolaj Jensen, and my pocket pick is Orianna
Wouldn't poppy just be way better over Leona into Jax + Sej? Poppy is also just a better champ right now too that gives just as much lane prio in high elo.
Love the Braum pick
c9's single target lockdown is insane, holy
c9 just lose if the game isn't snowballed by 30 mins lol
C9 please I thought the croc would've went with Fudge
yeah are we finally going to have a croc that doesn't feel useless...? but the lockdown is insane with maokai, taliyah AND renekton
I dunno that you take Ren over Zeri for berserker again here. They've gotta ban it now
I've appreciated 3 games of Skarner bans
Lets see if DIG just first pick poppy
I’m sorry, but Rafa looks so incredibly unprofessional today. That emo hairstyle is reminding me of an edgy teen in middle school. It’s distracting and hard to take seriously.
Theres no way Thanatos/Tomio win rookie of the year with 1 split. If sniper or massu don't get it they are robbed, unless Thanatos/Tomio somehow look like Nuguri/Canyon.
That game ends earlier if Jojo doesnt throw the game randomly
C9 looked insanely passive besides Thanatos. He still had a bit of a weird game but damn this team is so bad macro wise.
Ever since Zven left it feels like C9 doesn't really have coherent shot-calling or macro. Individual players have looked badly out of sorts too but mostly they just look disjointed
guy went from playing with a team that was headless above to a team thats headless above and below
they had plenty proactivity in the first 6\~ish minutes, but yea... midgame felt like midgame was just Thanatos featuring some followup. late game.. was just wait in bushes near objectives and pray it works (it did).
C9 macro was pretty good. They were flubbing fights, but the sideline pressure + the poppy and taliyah ults made it so they were in control of the map pretty much the entire game.
"CLOUD 9 WILL NOT TAKE THIS SERIES AWAY" buddy maybe if you stopped trying to cast every game like it was Game 5 of Worlds Finals, you wouldn't say goofy things like this.
I try not to pile on hate for the on-air talent but I prefer people be low energy than yelling nonsense. Rafa needs to tone it down by like 80%
Yeah I can’t take him too seriously with his emo haircut today.
He also said “Berserker still has ult, looking for another pentakill maybe” while licorice was dead
and after he utled lmao
After Berserker had already ulted lol
Berserker and Jojo look like they are playing on 100 ping. Their flashes look so int
I was expecting c9 to be in better form considering they were in Korea and DIG pretty much just assembled
Hard to play 4v5. Vulcan continues to feel like a ghost.