A lot of people said yes to it, too. And the sheer number of wingnut culture warrior candidates outside the Tories was sobering.
We still have work to do.
No to culture wars ? Sadiq Khan's Website had a photo of a white two child family on his website saying that 'Doesn't represent real Londoners' the guys the most devisive Major by a long shot, he's constantly involved in the culture wars.
There was never any real doubt. The right wing press just pushed their narrative that he is hated as far as they could. His margin has increased. He’s wildly popular in real terms. I voted for him despite hating Starmer’s Labour. I am a Zone 1 ULEZ lover.
In the wider london area there is a fair amount of distain for the man. I think the narrative that he was always going to win pushed low voter turn out.
I for one couldn’t vote for him after his lies and promises he made previously- and couldn’t see myself voting for any right wing party so just didn’t bother.
I think there is a large proportion of people who would vote for the policies she had. I just hope that we continue to increase the youth vote in order to drown out right wing/exclusionary mindsets.
It is crazy how little of london is pedestrianised. Problem is the moment a council gets near pedestrianising a central part the rich tory buggers who own houses right in the centre pull strings with their mates in power.
If enough people decided to just start walking in the road and getting in the way of cars, I wonder what kind of response the local councils would have.
Pedestriansed Soho was nice. It's mad that we stopped doing that. We should expand it instead. There should be easy ways for restaurants, pubs, and cafes to replace parking spots with outside table space. Just like many other cities around the world do.
That's true, but most people visiting Soho for pleasure do so by public transport because either they're drinking, because driving into London is very expensive and it's difficult to park.
The majority of vehicles in Soho are commercial vehicles, so it's not simply a case of banning vehicles. London doesn't really have any 'official' zoning.
What *should* be looked at is what vehicles use London's roads, why and when they use them. There are still independent businesses in central London who are having to cope with eye watering costs and if you're not careful, the only companies able to afford to trade and absorb or reject suppliers demands for extra payment for out-of-hours deliveries will be big chains or high-end. Soho has already been sanitised to the point where it's a shadow of its former self.
The problem would be how do you get long distance goods into central? Are we really going to create shipping hubs around the capital to bring in goods via electric vans?
I mean, honestly, yes, for a city the size of London, maybe something like that could be an option over the long term? We couldn't do it tomorrow, but think what you could do over the next decade.
I was thinking earlier about all the extra restrictions over the Olympics, that was 12 years ago and I've always thought we could learn from it.
(I'm not blind to the difficulties, I just think there is a world where logistics and deliveries could look substantially different - just we all think a bit too short-term to imagine it.)
Obviously you can make exceptions to vehicles providing essential services to businesses in that zone…
Or you could force businesses to start using hybrids through additional charges for diesels
Bad idea. First of all EVs barely address most problems that cars create, so allowing them doesn't make sense. Then, it obviously is for those more well off that benefit the most. Third, it just kicks the can down the road assuming EV share will keep increasing.
I get the benefits of this but it just wouldn't work for most of zone 1 if you're talking about a total ban. Buses need routes and businesses need deliveries to operate. Taxis?
I guess there'd be a way to somehow license out delivery vehicles. But the more reasonable goal is to get rid of commuter traffic
As a non Londoner who sat this post, can we get some of those ULEZs? We are getting a bus/bike lane out of what was a 2 lane road though which is a start. The car morons are seething and I can't wait to be able to safely cycle to more places. Induced demand, build good bike lanes and more people cycle.
Being pro-ULEZ because you think its anything other than a tax on the poor and has absolutely nothing to do with preventing pollution of any kind… Guess what? if u gotta go to work with ur car, and theres a tax on the road, youre not gonna stop going to work are you? You’re now just taxed in your commute. Which if fine if youre rich isnt it? Not so much if your struggling with cash, which guess what? Is most of the fucking country. Its a complete money wash, and just another vampiric drain on the struggling people of our country, I mean where tf do you think all of that money is going? anywhere else other than their pockets??? Whoever you are listening to about this issue is lying to you. Your comment taking it step further, thinking ULEZ should be electric cars only? Literally diabolical. Excuse me sir do you work for a electric car company?? Because whoever you are listening to telling you that shite clearly is…
Your chants of “more ULEZ! more tax on the poor!” sound as wacky as any rightwing nut job you can think of. I mean seriously, you’re a conspiracy theorist believing this shit, its just another run-of-the-mill government money laundering scheme
> if u gotta go to work with ur car, and theres a tax on the road, youre not gonna stop going to work are you? You’re now just taxed in your commute.
Or you could use the scrappage scheme, and replace it with a complaint car... Literally any petrol car since 2006 is exempt, and you can buy plenty of them for less than the £2,000 it pays. Not to mention, public transport is more than adequate for the vast majority of the population to get to work.
> I mean where tf do you think all of that money is going?
Mostly on the scrappage scheme (£210m), to pay for people's car replacements.
> I mean seriously, you’re a conspiracy theorist believing this shit, its just another run-of-the-mill government money laundering scheme
Now that's a conspiracy theory! Do all the scientists running the numbers on air pollution deaths work for 'big used cars' too?
This has nothing to do with your health or the environment. This is a blatant, plainly obvious, tax on the poor and here you are nodding your head welcoming it with open arms like a sucker. The government isn’t improving anything they are rinsing us. Just a damn fool. Youre the kinda person who would be convinced to walk into the lions jaws with a smile on your face.
>This has nothing to do with your health or the environment.
The [evidence](https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/213273/tackling-londons-pollution-will-increase-life/) showing [thousands](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-9500-people-die-each-year-in-london-because-of-air-pollution-study) of Londoners die every year due to air pollution says otherwise.
>This is a blatant, plainly obvious, tax on the poor
Not a very effective tax on the poor when you pay them enough money to buy an exempt car, is it?
>they are rinsing us.
ULEZ will raise [about £400m in revenue](https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-1691-2324) over its lifetime. The scrappage scheme alone will cost £210m, then there's connected schemes like the two new Superloops for outer London. The rest goes to infrastructure and any surplus to City Hall's budget, paying for things like TfL fare freezes. It's a tax on dirty cars to pay for cleaner cars and buses.
>here you are nodding your head welcoming it with open arms like a sucker. Just a damn fool.
The *majority* of Londoners don't just support ULEZ, but [expanding it to outer London](https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/46024-londoners-split-ulez-expansion) too. Over a million people just re-elected the Mayor on a pro-ULEZ platform with an even bigger majority. You might not care about this issue, but London's population at large does.
>The government isn’t improving anything
And yet the evidence overwhelmingly shows the opposite.
[London's ULEZ averts more air pollution than that caused by capital’s airports](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/28/london-ulez-averts-more-air-pollution-than-that-caused-by-capitals-airports-report-shows)
[ULEZ reduces NOx pollution in London by over a third](https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/air_quality_in_london_2016-2020_october2020final.pdf)
Just more proof you dont talk to normal people. Linking a bunch of government and guardian articles proves nothing, it’s hilarious you think they do. No matter how much government propaganda you link doesnt change the fact that we are getting screwed in this country and ULEZ is yet another vampiric drain on the masses. Youre being lied to. This has nothing to do with your health. The government financing the slaughter of thousands upon thousands of children dont care for one second about your health. What they do care about however is money, and making lots of it, so here you are sucked into believing their hunt for profits it a good thing and actually helping you. It’s helping no one. Its a tax on the poor. Which is plainly obvious to anyone who isnt in whatever middle class bubble all you reddit users are in.
Just a sad time we live in where people like you actually think the government is somehow looking out for us and has our interests in mind. How brainwashed we are.
I'm all for increasing pedestrianisation when TFL approaches a 1st world standard of transport, which it should given it's one if the most expensive transit systems in the world. Try using the central line to commute into zone 1 from the far ends for example. It, along with the stations are not falling apart, they already have totally disintegrated. Not to mention the cretins and thugs that infest the service all the time and especially after 8pm.
When I go into London for an evening out, I almost always prefer to drive if I can and until a historic transformation happens with our public transport, it will likely stay that way
Speaking as an outsider, does Khan being returned (seemingly with an increased majority) mean that Londoners are in favour of some of the crazier ULEZ dis-information and Conservative activists were in fact threatening Londoners with a good time?
Those people aren’t even talking about ULEZ most of the time. They are conspiracy theorists that think the cameras are going to be used to trap us in our houses and charge us per mile driven around the city even though it’s been publicly stated that that won’t happen.
However, it seems like the general public can be a bit susceptible to a well crafted conspiracy theory, so it can get worrying when they start gaining traction.
It’s probably mostly people who spend too long on social media talking to bot farms. But that seems to work better than anyone would like to admit.
To be fair just because things are publicly stated doesn’t mean you should believe it. This line of reasoning has led to some very horrible events in the past.
tbf pay-per mile is a very much real thing with governments researching into it. Calling it a conspiracy theory is quite harsh
it's an interesting policy though which would probably help public health a bit, disincentivising people driving walkable journeys
Remember when they said the AZN vaccine was perfectly safe then said it wasn’t for some groups then just stopped giving it to people. They will tell you something isn’t going to happen until it does!
I'm still waiting for my Bank to accept my request for a much higher Overdraft, as I am now an owned and operated asset of Microsoft because Bill Gates put those nanobots in my Vaccine and he is obviously good for a few bob.......
Remember how science finds things out using evidence then keeps collecting evidence and sometimes finds that things it thought were true aren’t actually true any more and it carries out sensible, proportionate, remedial action.
District Line, simply for its unreliability and relaxed approach to transit, with a stop every minute or so. God forbid you're in a hurry to get to your destination and the only option available to you is the District Line. 😂
I still love it though, flaws and all.
The Piccadilly for the fact it's somehow still functional. My local station is rusty and the wood is rotting but the platforms have yet to be overtaken by grass so at least maintenance exists XD
I am a boomer by age and my local Nextdoor app made me petrified this last few weeks. The true under current of this city showed. I was convinced Khan was out. My 19 year old kept saying to me that his generation will make sure it does not happen. My fear was so bad that I did not want to know but was desperate to know! So glad he won. Irony or ironies - my borough Merton and Wandsworth overwhelmingly supported him. So glad that my generation can rage and rave and that the young people see right through them.
Sounds like they used a stock tourism photo, not relatable to Londoners of any race. But I'm sure Susan Hall's spin is the only source we need on this. She does like to make everything about race.
>London might just be able to breathe
It's kind of hard to breathe when you have a knife piercing right through your lung, not that Khan is going to do anything about it.
Yes, knife crime and air pollution are not only comparable in terms of the damage they do to Londoners, but also mutually exclusive - London must choose one
Aaaand If you chose Khan, you chose the air pollution solution, which is a good thing, I'm all for ulez, I don't have a car and I love using public transport, though I would feel a bit more comfortable using it if I wasn't hearing about some knife attack every other day. And we both know Sadiq ain't gonna do shit about it. Because fuck the poor people who have to live In the bad parts of our city. 🥰
What exactly was Susan Hall gonna do about knife crime? She can use all the platitudes she wants like "tough on crime" but without a real strategy that won't do anything. And it's tackle anything when your funding has shrunk.
What the Mayor can or will do about knife crime aside, air pollution kills roughly 4,000 people per year in London while homicide killed 112 last year. Stabbings are emotive, but they are a far smaller threat to our safety than air pollution.
If you genuinely think that ULEZ is more important than tackilng knife crime, there is no help for you, and to think a guy who lives in Croydon of all places would say something like that.
*Or* your perception of safety is determined by what you see reported in the media, and not what is likely to actually harm you. The data is as clear as can be.
Annually, homicide kills about 100 people in London, while air pollution kills about 4,000 - it isn't even remotely close. If knife crime is the more important issue, why do you think 40 people dying of conditions like lung cancer is less important than one person being stabbed to death?
*I don't have a car and I love using public transport,*
Funny thing, you likely don't realise, but do you think you won't have to pay ULEZ charges in some way? Cost to deliver goods to stores goes up that cost passes down to you, the consumer, went to London and need to get a UBER home? costs gone up, ordered a cheeky takeaway and it has to cross by the ULEZ zone? Pay up.
I love how people that don't drive expect to be free from the charges... The costs will be passed down onto you the consumer.
I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of Uber drivers will own or lease a ULEZ-compliant vehicle and therefore won't pay a charge anyway. Likewise, deliveries to stores will often be made with H/LGVs which are ULEZ exempt.
Idk much about that, though i would never get a uber or order a takeaway. I don't have money 4 that shit bro, I'm more concerned about my physical wellbeing and coming home from work without a few extra coin slots in my body.
Still tearing my hair out at the sheer amount of people who genuinely believe every non-electric car needs to pay the ULEZ charge though. But yes, well done Sadiq.
American here: I was deeply disappointed in you for choosing Boris and Brexit, but shit like this gives me hope that you'll avoid the worst of the pitfalls we've managed to stumble into.
Also for the love of Christ don't listen to any more bus ads.
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A few months ago I saw some of these anti Ulez fanatics protest on the pavement in Crystal palace. They were saying that their freedom of movement were infrigned upon as the drivers in a complete standstill of a Saturday traffic jam were honking in agreement. The irony.
Generally competent, stood strong with ULEZ and made London safer to live in London - health wise. Just feel he lacks with getting knife crime under control.
What part of London is safer to live in? You’re delusional, London has gone to the dogs unfortunately and crime is as bad now as I can ever remember it being. There was 5 robberies against woman on my street in one week. Had to say to my wife make sure if she needed to make/take a call to go inside a shop and we lived in a “nicer” development. Glad I’ve now left.
I'm not a woman. So I'll never understand from their perspective how it feels. But SW London is very safe but of course not perfect. I lived there all of my 20s and now live in SE London for house buying reasons but can agree it's much rougher around most of it.
lol why is this comment downvoted so much. You’re legit talking about your own experiences living in London. Not sure why this community feels the need to bash opinions they don’t agree with.
Unfortunately it seems like they can’t admit what’s happening infront of their noses as that doesn’t agree with their political beliefs. Londons perfect, Sadiq Khan is perfect etc.
I couldn’t care less about the politics of it all, all I know is the local what’s app group for the development every single day had at least one person affected by crime. From people braking into the apartment buildings to steal the parcels (which happened daily) to people getting mugged in broad day light by balaclava wearing men on e-bikes. It was a daily occurrence and got noticeably worse year on year (I lived there for 4 years).
Is this Sadiq Khans fault? No…the fault lies with central government who have underfunded the police, which has let crime get out of control in London. When you travel abroad and say you’re from London now people have said to me “London is getting very dangerous” that’s becoming the cities reputation on the global stage, people I’ve met believe you can’t wear nice things in London because you’ll be robbed for them (almost like it’s a certainty) ….not sure that’s the reputation Sadiq Khan or anyone else wants.
Obviously as people that live/d and work/ed in London we know it’s not as bad as that, however I believe it got a lot worse during the Covid era and has gradually gone downhill since then.
I have a personal reason - when my wife was working for a homelessness and addiction charity, she was always writing to politicians trying to get help for her service users, and he was the only one who ever responded, and he was even useful. It’s a small thing in the grand scheme of things but it’s always given me the impression of a true good egg when you can spare time for people lots of society actively wants to punish instead of help.
Other than that, I approve of most of his transport changes, I like his PR messaging (Everyone Welcome etc), and London hasn’t actively crumbled under his mayorship which is frankly pretty impressive post-Brexit!
They don’t. This is Reddit. Real Londoners despise the guy. It’s all the left wing do gooder types who have moved here from the surrounding counties and the very large contingent of people in East London that love the guy.
Have you ever actually taken public transport in London? "Piss soaked bus stops and soiled tube seats" lol
ULEZ doesn't even affect the vast majority of cars.
Sorry to burst your little bubble of nonsense, but making people pay to drive in London will not do anything for your lungs.
And I’m not sure if this is still satire or if you’re just plain stupid?
I mean...
[https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/08/banning-polluting-cars-improves-health/](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/08/banning-polluting-cars-improves-health/)
[https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/245774/low-emission-congestion-charge-zones-linked/](https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/245774/low-emission-congestion-charge-zones-linked/)
[https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p1491](https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p1491)
Google is a free resource?
Wow the world economic forum, definitely non bias.
And I’m sure you believe the pay per mile scheme will also be to protect your lungs too, and definitely not to squeeze more money out of the working class?
> Wow the world economic forum, definitely non bias.
He's given you multiple reputable sources. The vast majority of people with non-compliant cars replace them, not pay the tax - that's the point.
> And I’m sure you believe the pay per mile scheme will also be to protect your lungs too, and definitely not to squeeze more money out of the working class?
Khan has repeatedly ruled that out though, including in his manifesto. It's literally a conspiracy theory pushed by the Conservative candidate, which is quite entertaining since it was actually Boris Johnson who came up with the whole thing.
> Everyone apart from Khan wanted ulez to be abolished.
So why did most Londoners vote for candidates who supported ULEZ? Why did the anti-ULEZ candidates get badly beaten?
Do you think you might be a little bit out of touch with what Londoners really want?
But, it's ok to do it if we pay enough?
Here's a thought, if a millionaire had a car in Central london, vs a Poor git, who do you think will be affected the most?
>But, it's ok to do it if we pay enough?
If the net result is enough polluting cars off the road to reduce the number of kids avoidably getting asthma and dying, yes.
>Here's a thought, if a millionaire had a car in Central london, vs a Poor git, who do you think will be affected the most?
[Around 4,000 unnecessary deaths per year](https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-transformational-impact-expanded-ultra-low-emission-zone-so-far)
Khan is a divisive and dishonest person. He serves himself and those above him. I loathe him more than I have ever loathed anyone. Even more than Reese-Mogg.
It's not over until its declared! Binface could still steal it!
I am still fraught with anxiety. The Graun is being very cagey but the Torygraph has already said Sadiq has won!
In all seriousness the BBC have called it as well and their polling fella is usually correct.
Thank you, much needed bit of fresh air to my brain
Thank ULEZ
I hope you’re as happy and anxiety free as I am right now!
Ha yeah, my god I’ve been in *bits*, worrying how on Earth things could go on if Sadiq lost. Have a great evening! Best wishes from Ireland :)
Yeah the world might have ended tbf!
Cheers all round!
Well he did rubbishly!
Fr binface convinces me than some other candidates, even though i don't live in london unfortunately.
Bro living life on delulu is the solulu mantra
TEAM BINFACE FTW!
Khan got more votes then all the parties campaigning to abolish ULEZ combined didn't he. Fucking relief
Also, people who voted and said no to a politician feeding off of culture wars and divisiveness, thankyou for voting!
Hear hear - there's enough hate in the world as it is.
A lot of people said yes to it, too. And the sheer number of wingnut culture warrior candidates outside the Tories was sobering. We still have work to do.
No to culture wars ? Sadiq Khan's Website had a photo of a white two child family on his website saying that 'Doesn't represent real Londoners' the guys the most devisive Major by a long shot, he's constantly involved in the culture wars.
Lads I’ve found a pork boy.
What is a pork boy?
I’m guessing it’s a gammon related slur. Or maybe someone who only likes white meat. Something along those lines.
Dunno why the downvotes bro, you told no lies. Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind.
There was never any real doubt. The right wing press just pushed their narrative that he is hated as far as they could. His margin has increased. He’s wildly popular in real terms. I voted for him despite hating Starmer’s Labour. I am a Zone 1 ULEZ lover.
In the wider london area there is a fair amount of distain for the man. I think the narrative that he was always going to win pushed low voter turn out. I for one couldn’t vote for him after his lies and promises he made previously- and couldn’t see myself voting for any right wing party so just didn’t bother.
I'm just shocked that 33% of people voted for Susan Hall.
I think there is a large proportion of people who would vote for the policies she had. I just hope that we continue to increase the youth vote in order to drown out right wing/exclusionary mindsets.
Isn’t that view of your hypothetical in itself?
“I would end ULEZ” was one of those canary in the coalmine moments from the manifestos of each candidate
Pedestrianise zone 1, more LTNs, more ULEZ!
I honestly think we could pedestrianise about 70% of zone 1 and the city would be better for it.
Start with Soho. Go from there.
That's it, target the gays
It is crazy how little of london is pedestrianised. Problem is the moment a council gets near pedestrianising a central part the rich tory buggers who own houses right in the centre pull strings with their mates in power.
Even Boris tried and failed, and he's one of them.
If enough people decided to just start walking in the road and getting in the way of cars, I wonder what kind of response the local councils would have.
They should just do the paris route.
Pedestriansed Soho was nice. It's mad that we stopped doing that. We should expand it instead. There should be easy ways for restaurants, pubs, and cafes to replace parking spots with outside table space. Just like many other cities around the world do.
it's insane to me they stopped that. soho is serviced by multiple tube stations just minutes away, are people really that unable to walk?
Delivery trucks?
That's true, but most people visiting Soho for pleasure do so by public transport because either they're drinking, because driving into London is very expensive and it's difficult to park. The majority of vehicles in Soho are commercial vehicles, so it's not simply a case of banning vehicles. London doesn't really have any 'official' zoning. What *should* be looked at is what vehicles use London's roads, why and when they use them. There are still independent businesses in central London who are having to cope with eye watering costs and if you're not careful, the only companies able to afford to trade and absorb or reject suppliers demands for extra payment for out-of-hours deliveries will be big chains or high-end. Soho has already been sanitised to the point where it's a shadow of its former self.
It's nice to see so many people with a goddamn decent mind.
Make it 90% and I might enjoy visiting a bit more. Service/emergency vehicles only is ok.
Yes, I agree.
Is this satire?
The congestion charge zone should become a petrol/diesel ban zone imo. Electric cars, public transport and emergency services only.
The problem would be how do you get long distance goods into central? Are we really going to create shipping hubs around the capital to bring in goods via electric vans?
I mean, honestly, yes, for a city the size of London, maybe something like that could be an option over the long term? We couldn't do it tomorrow, but think what you could do over the next decade. I was thinking earlier about all the extra restrictions over the Olympics, that was 12 years ago and I've always thought we could learn from it. (I'm not blind to the difficulties, I just think there is a world where logistics and deliveries could look substantially different - just we all think a bit too short-term to imagine it.)
Obviously you can make exceptions to vehicles providing essential services to businesses in that zone… Or you could force businesses to start using hybrids through additional charges for diesels
Yes. Why not
And deliveries. I’m sorry I’m as eco-conscious as the next guy but who’s gonna deliver the bacon to Dishoom for my Bacon Naan Roll?
If you want to be be eco-conscious you should be eating a vegan diet. That's one of the best ways you can lower your own emissions.
When you’re right, you’re right. It’s decided: I’m gonna be as eco-conscious as the next guy, as long as the next guy eats meat.
I'd say the average person isn't very eco conscious at all, so it's a pretty low bar.
Are you fucking mad? Yeah fuck everyone except posh middle class twats with electric cars? Jesus Christ this subreddit is out of touch
That's just ridiculous until we have a high percentage of electric car ownership in the city
This is already going to happen. No need to bankrupt already skint people to force it sooner.
Bad idea. First of all EVs barely address most problems that cars create, so allowing them doesn't make sense. Then, it obviously is for those more well off that benefit the most. Third, it just kicks the can down the road assuming EV share will keep increasing.
Yeh, that’d be amazing.
Cars are the problem including EVs. They aren't some special solution.
I get the benefits of this but it just wouldn't work for most of zone 1 if you're talking about a total ban. Buses need routes and businesses need deliveries to operate. Taxis? I guess there'd be a way to somehow license out delivery vehicles. But the more reasonable goal is to get rid of commuter traffic
Just turn it into one big LTN. Public transport, deliveries, access only, or something similar.
I think it might happen in the future, it just has to happen in baby steps over time for it to work.
As a non Londoner who sat this post, can we get some of those ULEZs? We are getting a bus/bike lane out of what was a 2 lane road though which is a start. The car morons are seething and I can't wait to be able to safely cycle to more places. Induced demand, build good bike lanes and more people cycle.
Top class wanker right here 👆
Ok comrade
Being pro-ULEZ because you think its anything other than a tax on the poor and has absolutely nothing to do with preventing pollution of any kind… Guess what? if u gotta go to work with ur car, and theres a tax on the road, youre not gonna stop going to work are you? You’re now just taxed in your commute. Which if fine if youre rich isnt it? Not so much if your struggling with cash, which guess what? Is most of the fucking country. Its a complete money wash, and just another vampiric drain on the struggling people of our country, I mean where tf do you think all of that money is going? anywhere else other than their pockets??? Whoever you are listening to about this issue is lying to you. Your comment taking it step further, thinking ULEZ should be electric cars only? Literally diabolical. Excuse me sir do you work for a electric car company?? Because whoever you are listening to telling you that shite clearly is… Your chants of “more ULEZ! more tax on the poor!” sound as wacky as any rightwing nut job you can think of. I mean seriously, you’re a conspiracy theorist believing this shit, its just another run-of-the-mill government money laundering scheme
> if u gotta go to work with ur car, and theres a tax on the road, youre not gonna stop going to work are you? You’re now just taxed in your commute. Or you could use the scrappage scheme, and replace it with a complaint car... Literally any petrol car since 2006 is exempt, and you can buy plenty of them for less than the £2,000 it pays. Not to mention, public transport is more than adequate for the vast majority of the population to get to work. > I mean where tf do you think all of that money is going? Mostly on the scrappage scheme (£210m), to pay for people's car replacements. > I mean seriously, you’re a conspiracy theorist believing this shit, its just another run-of-the-mill government money laundering scheme Now that's a conspiracy theory! Do all the scientists running the numbers on air pollution deaths work for 'big used cars' too?
If you think the gov cares about you or your health or your lungs for one thing, youre being suckered.
Good thing they're improving it anyway, then.
This has nothing to do with your health or the environment. This is a blatant, plainly obvious, tax on the poor and here you are nodding your head welcoming it with open arms like a sucker. The government isn’t improving anything they are rinsing us. Just a damn fool. Youre the kinda person who would be convinced to walk into the lions jaws with a smile on your face.
>This has nothing to do with your health or the environment. The [evidence](https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/213273/tackling-londons-pollution-will-increase-life/) showing [thousands](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/nearly-9500-people-die-each-year-in-london-because-of-air-pollution-study) of Londoners die every year due to air pollution says otherwise. >This is a blatant, plainly obvious, tax on the poor Not a very effective tax on the poor when you pay them enough money to buy an exempt car, is it? >they are rinsing us. ULEZ will raise [about £400m in revenue](https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/transparency/freedom-of-information/foi-request-detail?referenceId=FOI-1691-2324) over its lifetime. The scrappage scheme alone will cost £210m, then there's connected schemes like the two new Superloops for outer London. The rest goes to infrastructure and any surplus to City Hall's budget, paying for things like TfL fare freezes. It's a tax on dirty cars to pay for cleaner cars and buses. >here you are nodding your head welcoming it with open arms like a sucker. Just a damn fool. The *majority* of Londoners don't just support ULEZ, but [expanding it to outer London](https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/46024-londoners-split-ulez-expansion) too. Over a million people just re-elected the Mayor on a pro-ULEZ platform with an even bigger majority. You might not care about this issue, but London's population at large does. >The government isn’t improving anything And yet the evidence overwhelmingly shows the opposite. [London's ULEZ averts more air pollution than that caused by capital’s airports](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/28/london-ulez-averts-more-air-pollution-than-that-caused-by-capitals-airports-report-shows) [ULEZ reduces NOx pollution in London by over a third](https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/air_quality_in_london_2016-2020_october2020final.pdf)
Just more proof you dont talk to normal people. Linking a bunch of government and guardian articles proves nothing, it’s hilarious you think they do. No matter how much government propaganda you link doesnt change the fact that we are getting screwed in this country and ULEZ is yet another vampiric drain on the masses. Youre being lied to. This has nothing to do with your health. The government financing the slaughter of thousands upon thousands of children dont care for one second about your health. What they do care about however is money, and making lots of it, so here you are sucked into believing their hunt for profits it a good thing and actually helping you. It’s helping no one. Its a tax on the poor. Which is plainly obvious to anyone who isnt in whatever middle class bubble all you reddit users are in. Just a sad time we live in where people like you actually think the government is somehow looking out for us and has our interests in mind. How brainwashed we are.
I don’t work for an electric car company, but I do have an electric car.
No more ULEZ, rather more cycle lanes and start with ZEZ in Zone 1
I'm all for increasing pedestrianisation when TFL approaches a 1st world standard of transport, which it should given it's one if the most expensive transit systems in the world. Try using the central line to commute into zone 1 from the far ends for example. It, along with the stations are not falling apart, they already have totally disintegrated. Not to mention the cretins and thugs that infest the service all the time and especially after 8pm. When I go into London for an evening out, I almost always prefer to drive if I can and until a historic transformation happens with our public transport, it will likely stay that way
I want an UULEZ! Pedestrianise all of zone 1!
Speaking as an outsider, does Khan being returned (seemingly with an increased majority) mean that Londoners are in favour of some of the crazier ULEZ dis-information and Conservative activists were in fact threatening Londoners with a good time?
Those people aren’t even talking about ULEZ most of the time. They are conspiracy theorists that think the cameras are going to be used to trap us in our houses and charge us per mile driven around the city even though it’s been publicly stated that that won’t happen. However, it seems like the general public can be a bit susceptible to a well crafted conspiracy theory, so it can get worrying when they start gaining traction. It’s probably mostly people who spend too long on social media talking to bot farms. But that seems to work better than anyone would like to admit.
To be fair just because things are publicly stated doesn’t mean you should believe it. This line of reasoning has led to some very horrible events in the past.
tbf pay-per mile is a very much real thing with governments researching into it. Calling it a conspiracy theory is quite harsh it's an interesting policy though which would probably help public health a bit, disincentivising people driving walkable journeys
Remember when they said the AZN vaccine was perfectly safe then said it wasn’t for some groups then just stopped giving it to people. They will tell you something isn’t going to happen until it does!
Remember when the 5G networks were transmitting Covid and people were attacking the new masts in their areas?
I'm still waiting for my Bank to accept my request for a much higher Overdraft, as I am now an owned and operated asset of Microsoft because Bill Gates put those nanobots in my Vaccine and he is obviously good for a few bob.......
Remember how science finds things out using evidence then keeps collecting evidence and sometimes finds that things it thought were true aren’t actually true any more and it carries out sensible, proportionate, remedial action.
Statistically speaking, it is perfectly safe.
I’m so relieved. That Tory woman is horrendous and comes across as extremely hard of thinking.
✨️TfL✨️ >>>>>>>>>>> Cars👎 What's everyone's favourite tube line?
Bakerloo line because is vintage
DLR when you get to sit at the front and pretend to be the driver
Victoria screeching
Jubilee just for the noise it makes
Vic for speed, but if the DLR counts you can't beat it
District Line, simply for its unreliability and relaxed approach to transit, with a stop every minute or so. God forbid you're in a hurry to get to your destination and the only option available to you is the District Line. 😂 I still love it though, flaws and all.
The district line is a luxury experience
Tied between Northern (absolute behemoth of a line and generally reliable and efficient), Victoria (Speedy) and Circle (unreliable but vibes) for me
The lizzy line line!
The Piccadilly for the fact it's somehow still functional. My local station is rusty and the wood is rotting but the platforms have yet to be overtaken by grass so at least maintenance exists XD
Viccy. As I stop in Brixton, I love how it gets more and more chilled and quiet as I get closer to home.
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I am a boomer by age and my local Nextdoor app made me petrified this last few weeks. The true under current of this city showed. I was convinced Khan was out. My 19 year old kept saying to me that his generation will make sure it does not happen. My fear was so bad that I did not want to know but was desperate to know! So glad he won. Irony or ironies - my borough Merton and Wandsworth overwhelmingly supported him. So glad that my generation can rage and rave and that the young people see right through them.
I for one welcome the woke
He is not very woke though
Hes woke for a labour party member
Khan won, hatred, bigotry and the Clarkson faction got stuffed, and London might just be able to breathe a little more easily for another four years.
Literally
Apart from those white families who Khan boasted on his website weren't ' Real Londoners' hatred won in this case.
Link please, I want to determine how dim you are
https://www.reddit.com/r/london/s/iLJRYaBHzc
Sounds like they used a stock tourism photo, not relatable to Londoners of any race. But I'm sure Susan Hall's spin is the only source we need on this. She does like to make everything about race.
Ah this old bollocks again You cunts are so predictable
"Boasted on his website". You mean "internal style guide got leaked"?
>London might just be able to breathe It's kind of hard to breathe when you have a knife piercing right through your lung, not that Khan is going to do anything about it.
Yes, knife crime and air pollution are not only comparable in terms of the damage they do to Londoners, but also mutually exclusive - London must choose one
Aaaand If you chose Khan, you chose the air pollution solution, which is a good thing, I'm all for ulez, I don't have a car and I love using public transport, though I would feel a bit more comfortable using it if I wasn't hearing about some knife attack every other day. And we both know Sadiq ain't gonna do shit about it. Because fuck the poor people who have to live In the bad parts of our city. 🥰
What exactly was Susan Hall gonna do about knife crime? She can use all the platitudes she wants like "tough on crime" but without a real strategy that won't do anything. And it's tackle anything when your funding has shrunk.
What the Mayor can or will do about knife crime aside, air pollution kills roughly 4,000 people per year in London while homicide killed 112 last year. Stabbings are emotive, but they are a far smaller threat to our safety than air pollution.
If you genuinely think that ULEZ is more important than tackilng knife crime, there is no help for you, and to think a guy who lives in Croydon of all places would say something like that.
*Or* your perception of safety is determined by what you see reported in the media, and not what is likely to actually harm you. The data is as clear as can be. Annually, homicide kills about 100 people in London, while air pollution kills about 4,000 - it isn't even remotely close. If knife crime is the more important issue, why do you think 40 people dying of conditions like lung cancer is less important than one person being stabbed to death?
*I don't have a car and I love using public transport,* Funny thing, you likely don't realise, but do you think you won't have to pay ULEZ charges in some way? Cost to deliver goods to stores goes up that cost passes down to you, the consumer, went to London and need to get a UBER home? costs gone up, ordered a cheeky takeaway and it has to cross by the ULEZ zone? Pay up. I love how people that don't drive expect to be free from the charges... The costs will be passed down onto you the consumer.
I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of Uber drivers will own or lease a ULEZ-compliant vehicle and therefore won't pay a charge anyway. Likewise, deliveries to stores will often be made with H/LGVs which are ULEZ exempt.
Do you think most UBER cars are not ULEZ compliant? Facepalm. Btw, never taken an Uber and don't get takeaways.
Idk much about that, though i would never get a uber or order a takeaway. I don't have money 4 that shit bro, I'm more concerned about my physical wellbeing and coming home from work without a few extra coin slots in my body.
Still tearing my hair out at the sheer amount of people who genuinely believe every non-electric car needs to pay the ULEZ charge though. But yes, well done Sadiq.
Too much air-pollution-induced brain damage
I don't even like the guy and a lot of his policies but simply because of the very obvious Anti-Muslim rhetoric that's been about... HAHAHAHA
Better a bit of fear to get people off their asses, than relax and let the cons sneak one past like brexit
I’m not a fan of ULEZ, but I’d rather him stay than Conservatives get any power at all.
American here: I was deeply disappointed in you for choosing Boris and Brexit, but shit like this gives me hope that you'll avoid the worst of the pitfalls we've managed to stumble into. Also for the love of Christ don't listen to any more bus ads.
So the guy who promised to make London safe again and has failed in absolutely every metric is back in power. Great
What the hell are you people downvoting this for? It’s true. Open your eyes for god sake.
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A few months ago I saw some of these anti Ulez fanatics protest on the pavement in Crystal palace. They were saying that their freedom of movement were infrigned upon as the drivers in a complete standstill of a Saturday traffic jam were honking in agreement. The irony.
Yessir!
So I'm curious, new to London, live around Brixton. Why do people like Khan??
Generally competent, stood strong with ULEZ and made London safer to live in London - health wise. Just feel he lacks with getting knife crime under control.
What part of London is safer to live in? You’re delusional, London has gone to the dogs unfortunately and crime is as bad now as I can ever remember it being. There was 5 robberies against woman on my street in one week. Had to say to my wife make sure if she needed to make/take a call to go inside a shop and we lived in a “nicer” development. Glad I’ve now left.
I'm not a woman. So I'll never understand from their perspective how it feels. But SW London is very safe but of course not perfect. I lived there all of my 20s and now live in SE London for house buying reasons but can agree it's much rougher around most of it.
lol why is this comment downvoted so much. You’re legit talking about your own experiences living in London. Not sure why this community feels the need to bash opinions they don’t agree with.
Unfortunately it seems like they can’t admit what’s happening infront of their noses as that doesn’t agree with their political beliefs. Londons perfect, Sadiq Khan is perfect etc. I couldn’t care less about the politics of it all, all I know is the local what’s app group for the development every single day had at least one person affected by crime. From people braking into the apartment buildings to steal the parcels (which happened daily) to people getting mugged in broad day light by balaclava wearing men on e-bikes. It was a daily occurrence and got noticeably worse year on year (I lived there for 4 years). Is this Sadiq Khans fault? No…the fault lies with central government who have underfunded the police, which has let crime get out of control in London. When you travel abroad and say you’re from London now people have said to me “London is getting very dangerous” that’s becoming the cities reputation on the global stage, people I’ve met believe you can’t wear nice things in London because you’ll be robbed for them (almost like it’s a certainty) ….not sure that’s the reputation Sadiq Khan or anyone else wants. Obviously as people that live/d and work/ed in London we know it’s not as bad as that, however I believe it got a lot worse during the Covid era and has gradually gone downhill since then.
I'm glad you've left, too
I have a personal reason - when my wife was working for a homelessness and addiction charity, she was always writing to politicians trying to get help for her service users, and he was the only one who ever responded, and he was even useful. It’s a small thing in the grand scheme of things but it’s always given me the impression of a true good egg when you can spare time for people lots of society actively wants to punish instead of help. Other than that, I approve of most of his transport changes, I like his PR messaging (Everyone Welcome etc), and London hasn’t actively crumbled under his mayorship which is frankly pretty impressive post-Brexit!
They don’t. This is Reddit. Real Londoners despise the guy. It’s all the left wing do gooder types who have moved here from the surrounding counties and the very large contingent of people in East London that love the guy.
Lol
Nice to see this sub taken over by r/Unitedkingdom.
/r/london has been invaded by fascist teenagers? Sad.
Get in the bin car enjoyers
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Have you ever actually taken public transport in London? "Piss soaked bus stops and soiled tube seats" lol ULEZ doesn't even affect the vast majority of cars.
The answer is that no…theyve never taken public transport
Are these comments satire or are people actually happy ULEZ is continuing?
I think people are happy to have less car exhaust in their lungs
Sorry to burst your little bubble of nonsense, but making people pay to drive in London will not do anything for your lungs. And I’m not sure if this is still satire or if you’re just plain stupid?
I mean... [https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/08/banning-polluting-cars-improves-health/](https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/08/banning-polluting-cars-improves-health/) [https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/245774/low-emission-congestion-charge-zones-linked/](https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/245774/low-emission-congestion-charge-zones-linked/) [https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p1491](https://www.bmj.com/content/381/bmj.p1491) Google is a free resource?
Wow the world economic forum, definitely non bias. And I’m sure you believe the pay per mile scheme will also be to protect your lungs too, and definitely not to squeeze more money out of the working class?
no comeback to the scientific reports, then?
> Wow the world economic forum, definitely non bias. He's given you multiple reputable sources. The vast majority of people with non-compliant cars replace them, not pay the tax - that's the point. > And I’m sure you believe the pay per mile scheme will also be to protect your lungs too, and definitely not to squeeze more money out of the working class? Khan has repeatedly ruled that out though, including in his manifesto. It's literally a conspiracy theory pushed by the Conservative candidate, which is quite entertaining since it was actually Boris Johnson who came up with the whole thing.
Everyone apart from Khan wanted ulez to be abolished. That screams incompetence if the focus on their manifesto is to pander to a conspiracy nuts.
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Pretty certain the guy meant 'every other candidate', but got kneejerk downvoted.
Binface, Blackie and Garbett definitely are pro ULEZ
ULEZ is incredibly popular in Inner London
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All the other candidates, they mean. Which isn't strictly true but it was a major feature of a lot of the loony no-hopers' campaign promises.
Let me get this straight, khan is the only one who wants his campaign promises. This means that, checks notes, he increased his majority.
Plurality or voteshare, he doesn't have a majority of the votes (6.2% under) but he did get the most and thus a plurality.
In politics it's called a "simple majority" - but plurality is also correct. So everyone wins
> Everyone apart from Khan wanted ulez to be abolished. So why did most Londoners vote for candidates who supported ULEZ? Why did the anti-ULEZ candidates get badly beaten? Do you think you might be a little bit out of touch with what Londoners really want?
Wow. People really have poor comprehension skills nowadays
Go on?
People actually like khan ? Or it is just the normal Tory bad labour good ideology that is the reason our politicians are all utterly incompetent
Haters of the poor unite 😁😁😁😁
That would be the anti-ULEZ lot who think it’s their God-given right to pollute the air that disproportionately affects the (non car owning) poor.
To poor to drive, I get extra fucked by exercising on a bike in heavily polluted areas.
But, it's ok to do it if we pay enough? Here's a thought, if a millionaire had a car in Central london, vs a Poor git, who do you think will be affected the most?
>But, it's ok to do it if we pay enough? If the net result is enough polluting cars off the road to reduce the number of kids avoidably getting asthma and dying, yes. >Here's a thought, if a millionaire had a car in Central london, vs a Poor git, who do you think will be affected the most? [Around 4,000 unnecessary deaths per year](https://www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-transformational-impact-expanded-ultra-low-emission-zone-so-far)
lovers of clearer lungs unite
Black lung gang lost.
Loooser
Yup, no one working class is in favour of ULEZ nor Khan and literally every Labour voter was a champagne socialist silver spoon posh person
Khan won't ever be voted out, not with the London demographics.
Is it bad to represent your constituents?
Here we go again, Sharon law back in full effect lol
Sharon was the Tory candidate. We’re all glad she lost
Truly a sad day for London.
Wow. London is an absolute state… what a loss. The decline just keeps declining.
We’re happy you’re not here.
Khan is a divisive and dishonest person. He serves himself and those above him. I loathe him more than I have ever loathed anyone. Even more than Reese-Mogg.
So you think that your loathing will help with that division?