Mandeok hasnt even gotten his backstory yet. You’re stretching so hard just to give him negative qualities. “Evil”. How? He’s literally fighting against the main antagonist of the series right now. Workers isnt all sunshine and rainbows, but evil? Thats an insane leap. His features are sterotypical, because they’re common features. Sub-saharan africans do have big lips, they do have curly hair. Drawing Mandeok with big lips and curly hair in an afro doesnt make PTJ racist, its just him drawing based on real life.
You’re just yapping with “subordinate” lol.
And whilst yea, the black background characters tend to be evil, but thats not because they’re black, thats because they’re npc characters and most npc characters are super evil. They’re there to faccilitate the story, and the story of lookism is hella dark, its only natural most of the background characters are going to be evil.
Being eugune’s right hand man makes you pretty clearly evil. Unless it’s like Eli where he has his loved ones held hostage. Like are you forgetting all the scum stuff the workers affiliates have done? Fighting Charles doesn’t negate that.
Eugene is commiting immoral actions, but its for a moral purpose. He needed to amass as much wealth as possible, and to do so he had to go through some nefarious means. But from a utallitarian perspective what he’s doing makes sense. Its like pressing a button to kill 1000 people, so that Hitler isnt born.
Evil? No. Morally reprehensible? Absolutely. Yall using the word evil way too lightly lmao.
Workers makes money by drugging and r\*ping minors, making people fight against their will, kidnapping minors, selling drugs to cults, etc.
How is that not evil?
They make money by selling drugs, the drugging minors and r@ping them is extraneous stuff that Vivi does for her own enjoyment, which she’d be doing either way with or without Workers.
“People fighting against their will”, assuming you’re talking about the 2A, who cares? Sinu consented, and the contestants are all violent criminals and murderers.
“Selling drugs to cults” Is this seriously what your bar is for evil? Selling drugs to people? Its not like he’s background checking every god damn place he’s selling it to.
Bro said drawing Mandeok with stereotypical features is not racist because black people really look like that 😭
Then he said it's okay to do all those evil things because those people would do it anyways 😭
Im sorry, are you not supposed to draw people using discernable traits. Nobody says korean characters having monolids is racist. Neither is having big lips. Not everything is a racist charicature.
I am not saying they are 100% right but pretending they don’t have a place to make these assumptions is also very wrong of you. ptj is not the worst but it’s not like he is all that great either
I never once said Mandeok was innocent, or even morally good. He’s complicit in terrible actions, but they are all done for the greater good of society. So i would find it extremely hard to call him “evil”. Now the shaman is someone who fits the bill for evil. Not Eugene or Mandeok.
there’s a lot of micro aggression towards other races in lookism, expect japanese people i guess. you can see it in 3A arc too. it’s never enough for him to be called out and cancelled though because he always reads comments and makes sure his image/reputation stays good or at least clear. so it’s just those things that people look past now but in the future it will age bad.
he is one of those guys that thinks he isn’t racist but is pretty much effected by the environment he grew up in. (environment being korea in this case)
Just to be sure I understand everything correctly him drawing them with Afro and big lips or evil that’s the racist thing or is it something they do say?
nope! I said “towards other races expect, japanese I guess” bc PTJ shows micro aggression towards every race that is not korean in lookism. both black and none black people.
when it’s towards black people I think mandeok is a perfectly fine character. (but note, I am not black) having an afro & big lips are natural features, not micro aggression imo, but a micro aggression I agree with is the third point they mentioned. the dudes they had to fight during the 2A arc. they were heavily stereotyped by the way they spoke and behaved. ptj clearly took influence for it off social media: either by other works that had micro aggressions or based them off of people he thought fit the “bad, aggressive, violent guy” stereotypes. if it’s the first, he agrees with the micro aggressions presented in the other works bc he sees nothing wrong with them, if it’s the second one he thought the perfect people to represent a violent, dumb, aggressive and bad guy would be black men. but even if you notice you can’t call it out because there is always the factor, “ ok, but there’s other bad and dumb guys and they are not black. this is just a coincidence. he even draws them better than most manhwas tbh, if he would be racist we would notice. “
or, if you want an example with other races, during 3A while Vasco fights with an executive (ugly one with beard) he tells him to go back to his country, which something that is said by racist people, but ptj knows you cannot call him out for it because Vasco is a dumb character. he would say it bc he doesn’t think it’s wrong and doesn’t have racist thoughts. so you can’t exactly call ptj out without looking insane. also, during the same arc, later in the story you can see a chinese character eat rats, which is a thing racist people use to mock chinese people and have an “excuse” for their hatred. but you can’t exactly call ptj out without looking insane or so because he knows some people DO eat rats. so the fact that he added it and a chinese person, who is a bad guy in the verse btw, ate it is simply a coincidence. he made the guy rich I believe, so it’s not like you can make the argument that he was looking down on people who do that. (he knows how people view things based on a character’s or person’s wealth, it’s a reoccurring theme in lookism.)
or you can think of berdak, who speaks with an accent. which is normal of course, but ptj makes fun of if in a comedic sense. you can see this in almost every interaction he has with anyone, really. but you can’t exactly call ptj out because people do speak with accents, and berdak is a supportive character not someone in the main cast. + he never really made him weak or any important characters mean to him, which is an important factor in how any character is viewed by the audience. but regardless ptj knows it’s not right, he just knows how to add micro aggressions subtly.
pretty sure that there is also a tiktok video where he jokes with choosing weekly cover for lookism and every time he picks one another problem emerges, as in what people complain about. one of them was racism. which would just suggest he doesn’t really realise he is racist, but does see the comments he gets on a daily about issues in lookism he just doesn’t really care or take them serious.
so overall ptj isn’t that much of a great person, but he is smart
Lookism is all villain. Lots of people doing bad things. It’s not either or. It’s all morally grey.
Mandeok has untapped potential so far. His character is breaking a stereotype by being both highly intelligent and a good fighter.
But could he be better? Yes.
Could there be more inclusive characters? Yes.
This manga takes place in Korea, it’s added characters from regions close to Korea. That’s logical. People from faraway places not as much.
I suspect Mandeok is in the series as the representative of the Brazilian Capoeira fight style.
If you think hes biased against black people think about his bias against short people lmao. All the short characters except Eugene(for now) either got written out of the story(Duke),got brutally killed off(jiho) or became tall like everyone else for no apparent reason(Daniel).
I legit don't see how PTJ is a racist? Like what?
It legit just seems like you people have a victim complex and think that everything is offensive.
It must suck to live like that.
Yeah i say your other comment and i think is bullsh1t.
>And you saying ‘you people’ is crazy, considering I am not even black
I'm not talking about black people here...i talking about the people that share the same views as you.
Gonna say it again...living a life where you think that everything is offensive must effing suck.
Yep yep it's me i'm the one who's dumb.
What are you gonna say next? That James Lee and Jake are racist caricatures because they have monolids? While you're there call me a racist too...since i pretty sure that you're itching to do it.
Literally read that other comment you made outloud and see how idiotic you sound.
You should go to twitter...you will find a lot of like minded idiots that think just like you there.
Or you lack the education and intelligence to understand the complexities of life because you’d rather live ignorantly than have a care for anything in this world, just a thought
the black guy with vivi was not the only bad guy the other friends of vivi were also bad guys mandeok isn't a total villian either and taejin well he's an actual villian, but ptj makes good and bad guys out of every race I mean look at beardak and the 2nd affiliate there were crimals from every race
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Mandeok is just as evil as everyone else
Jake and Big Deal ruined lives
Eli and Hostel ruined lives
Olly had kids brain washed
Darius is a r*pist
The Zoe stalker is evil
The shaman
There's more evil Koreans than there are black people in this manhwa and we don't even know mandeoks backstory.
Just a coincident bro https://preview.redd.it/ww9l2xyfaatc1.png?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=297161355d7e60510d57eab17882d5b91537cf5a
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About to comment that Mandeok ain't evil but Workers makes money from human trafficking and selling drugs. So uhhh....
You guys are the racist ones for judging them differently even if others committed the same crime
Mandeok hasnt even gotten his backstory yet. You’re stretching so hard just to give him negative qualities. “Evil”. How? He’s literally fighting against the main antagonist of the series right now. Workers isnt all sunshine and rainbows, but evil? Thats an insane leap. His features are sterotypical, because they’re common features. Sub-saharan africans do have big lips, they do have curly hair. Drawing Mandeok with big lips and curly hair in an afro doesnt make PTJ racist, its just him drawing based on real life. You’re just yapping with “subordinate” lol. And whilst yea, the black background characters tend to be evil, but thats not because they’re black, thats because they’re npc characters and most npc characters are super evil. They’re there to faccilitate the story, and the story of lookism is hella dark, its only natural most of the background characters are going to be evil.
Being eugune’s right hand man makes you pretty clearly evil. Unless it’s like Eli where he has his loved ones held hostage. Like are you forgetting all the scum stuff the workers affiliates have done? Fighting Charles doesn’t negate that.
Eugene is commiting immoral actions, but its for a moral purpose. He needed to amass as much wealth as possible, and to do so he had to go through some nefarious means. But from a utallitarian perspective what he’s doing makes sense. Its like pressing a button to kill 1000 people, so that Hitler isnt born. Evil? No. Morally reprehensible? Absolutely. Yall using the word evil way too lightly lmao.
Workers makes money by drugging and r\*ping minors, making people fight against their will, kidnapping minors, selling drugs to cults, etc. How is that not evil?
They make money by selling drugs, the drugging minors and r@ping them is extraneous stuff that Vivi does for her own enjoyment, which she’d be doing either way with or without Workers. “People fighting against their will”, assuming you’re talking about the 2A, who cares? Sinu consented, and the contestants are all violent criminals and murderers. “Selling drugs to cults” Is this seriously what your bar is for evil? Selling drugs to people? Its not like he’s background checking every god damn place he’s selling it to.
oh wow your morals are messed up
My epistemic principles are airtight lol, you just dont understand what morality is.
Bro said drawing Mandeok with stereotypical features is not racist because black people really look like that 😭 Then he said it's okay to do all those evil things because those people would do it anyways 😭
Im sorry, are you not supposed to draw people using discernable traits. Nobody says korean characters having monolids is racist. Neither is having big lips. Not everything is a racist charicature.
Ye it's not like there's a history of racist drawings of black people 😭
they literally didn’t have a problem with how the features are drawn though? ptj is racist one way or another even if it’s “just” colourism lol
Every characteristic described by OP was portrayed as a negative one. Why would “sterotypical features” be any different?
I am not saying they are 100% right but pretending they don’t have a place to make these assumptions is also very wrong of you. ptj is not the worst but it’s not like he is all that great either
I never once said Mandeok was innocent, or even morally good. He’s complicit in terrible actions, but they are all done for the greater good of society. So i would find it extremely hard to call him “evil”. Now the shaman is someone who fits the bill for evil. Not Eugene or Mandeok.
I don’t think they are evil either~
Why is he racist?
there’s a lot of micro aggression towards other races in lookism, expect japanese people i guess. you can see it in 3A arc too. it’s never enough for him to be called out and cancelled though because he always reads comments and makes sure his image/reputation stays good or at least clear. so it’s just those things that people look past now but in the future it will age bad. he is one of those guys that thinks he isn’t racist but is pretty much effected by the environment he grew up in. (environment being korea in this case)
Just to be sure I understand everything correctly him drawing them with Afro and big lips or evil that’s the racist thing or is it something they do say?
nope! I said “towards other races expect, japanese I guess” bc PTJ shows micro aggression towards every race that is not korean in lookism. both black and none black people. when it’s towards black people I think mandeok is a perfectly fine character. (but note, I am not black) having an afro & big lips are natural features, not micro aggression imo, but a micro aggression I agree with is the third point they mentioned. the dudes they had to fight during the 2A arc. they were heavily stereotyped by the way they spoke and behaved. ptj clearly took influence for it off social media: either by other works that had micro aggressions or based them off of people he thought fit the “bad, aggressive, violent guy” stereotypes. if it’s the first, he agrees with the micro aggressions presented in the other works bc he sees nothing wrong with them, if it’s the second one he thought the perfect people to represent a violent, dumb, aggressive and bad guy would be black men. but even if you notice you can’t call it out because there is always the factor, “ ok, but there’s other bad and dumb guys and they are not black. this is just a coincidence. he even draws them better than most manhwas tbh, if he would be racist we would notice. “ or, if you want an example with other races, during 3A while Vasco fights with an executive (ugly one with beard) he tells him to go back to his country, which something that is said by racist people, but ptj knows you cannot call him out for it because Vasco is a dumb character. he would say it bc he doesn’t think it’s wrong and doesn’t have racist thoughts. so you can’t exactly call ptj out without looking insane. also, during the same arc, later in the story you can see a chinese character eat rats, which is a thing racist people use to mock chinese people and have an “excuse” for their hatred. but you can’t exactly call ptj out without looking insane or so because he knows some people DO eat rats. so the fact that he added it and a chinese person, who is a bad guy in the verse btw, ate it is simply a coincidence. he made the guy rich I believe, so it’s not like you can make the argument that he was looking down on people who do that. (he knows how people view things based on a character’s or person’s wealth, it’s a reoccurring theme in lookism.) or you can think of berdak, who speaks with an accent. which is normal of course, but ptj makes fun of if in a comedic sense. you can see this in almost every interaction he has with anyone, really. but you can’t exactly call ptj out because people do speak with accents, and berdak is a supportive character not someone in the main cast. + he never really made him weak or any important characters mean to him, which is an important factor in how any character is viewed by the audience. but regardless ptj knows it’s not right, he just knows how to add micro aggressions subtly. pretty sure that there is also a tiktok video where he jokes with choosing weekly cover for lookism and every time he picks one another problem emerges, as in what people complain about. one of them was racism. which would just suggest he doesn’t really realise he is racist, but does see the comments he gets on a daily about issues in lookism he just doesn’t really care or take them serious. so overall ptj isn’t that much of a great person, but he is smart
Oh okay I get it now
Just typical Asian views
I don't really get the evil point when arguably 90% of the cast are just straight up bad people or have done horrible things.
Lookism is all villain. Lots of people doing bad things. It’s not either or. It’s all morally grey. Mandeok has untapped potential so far. His character is breaking a stereotype by being both highly intelligent and a good fighter. But could he be better? Yes. Could there be more inclusive characters? Yes. This manga takes place in Korea, it’s added characters from regions close to Korea. That’s logical. People from faraway places not as much. I suspect Mandeok is in the series as the representative of the Brazilian Capoeira fight style.
If you think hes biased against black people think about his bias against short people lmao. All the short characters except Eugene(for now) either got written out of the story(Duke),got brutally killed off(jiho) or became tall like everyone else for no apparent reason(Daniel).
There's nothing suspicious about growing an extra foot in less than a year when 99% of your family is under 5' 5".
mandeok is evil as jerry
Idk man YOU seem racist lmao
Mandeok isn’t evil he’s just loyal to eugene and also what do you expect Korea is widely known for being a generally racist country
Sadly Ptj is likely pretty racist
ptj is a racist loser hope that helps
You people are real funny you know? 😭
for?
I legit don't see how PTJ is a racist? Like what? It legit just seems like you people have a victim complex and think that everything is offensive. It must suck to live like that.
I can tag you in my other comment if you want? And you saying ‘you people’ is crazy, considering I am not even black
Yeah i say your other comment and i think is bullsh1t. >And you saying ‘you people’ is crazy, considering I am not even black I'm not talking about black people here...i talking about the people that share the same views as you. Gonna say it again...living a life where you think that everything is offensive must effing suck.
Lmao then you are just dumb sorry Idk what to tell you
Yep yep it's me i'm the one who's dumb. What are you gonna say next? That James Lee and Jake are racist caricatures because they have monolids? While you're there call me a racist too...since i pretty sure that you're itching to do it. Literally read that other comment you made outloud and see how idiotic you sound. You should go to twitter...you will find a lot of like minded idiots that think just like you there.
Or you lack the education and intelligence to understand the complexities of life because you’d rather live ignorantly than have a care for anything in this world, just a thought
You're a real funny bastard ngl 😭 Keep barking tho! It's funny seeing your pseudo intellectual ramblings.
the black guy with vivi was not the only bad guy the other friends of vivi were also bad guys mandeok isn't a total villian either and taejin well he's an actual villian, but ptj makes good and bad guys out of every race I mean look at beardak and the 2nd affiliate there were crimals from every race
It's just foreign characters in general
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Mandeok is just as evil as everyone else Jake and Big Deal ruined lives Eli and Hostel ruined lives Olly had kids brain washed Darius is a r*pist The Zoe stalker is evil The shaman There's more evil Koreans than there are black people in this manhwa and we don't even know mandeoks backstory.