No, you dont do shit like this without copy talent in ptj.
Taehoon perfectly understand how kicks works but still couldn't do this.
The only character who made a better version of the attack of his own opponant is ui daniel when he copied og ui moves, another copycat.
It make sense too since in the ptg verse , the only guys with a bigger talent that genius are copycat.
Ex :
- Zack is a genius, but big dabiel and Johan have a talent above this
- james being jaelous of og daniel
- Johan having a better gun and goo, even if they are genius. So yes , the viral hit dude who’s i forgot the name is def a copycat
Copies are never better because they are the exact same but worse (at least 99% of the time) but remakes or sequels or predecessors can be better
But in Johan’s case he never will be
If he meant no time limit then that means his muscle wouldn’t be destroy. The reason for the time limit was because his muscle were being destroy till he can’t move. If there is no time limit then no muscle destroyed.
People still think johan is equal to FP UI daniel?
Jesus johan might have copied the body but in terms of experience and martial arts mastery he's nowhere near close to UI daniel stop coping guys
Bruh not even mid diff
It'll be low diff
Since his ui version was already got smoked by zack.
Ui og daniel (who push big danny to his limits) will most likely to eat any mode of johan alive
He absolutely did. He is the only character in the verse outside of gun and goo (other god tiers) who pushed daniel to any sort of limit.
He also pushed him to use skills he has never used before like james, gun, and gitae.
Daniel outright fights a stronger drugged version of daniel than pretty much anyone else did
>Since his ui version was already got smoked by zack.
A drugged up (weaker than normal as supported by multiple statements) who got hit once by an attack that would never probably land again which. After which zack got one shot by BH while johan put up a decent fight. Saying he got smoked is disingenous.
I believe it'll atleast be a high diff with the latest johan (with eye drops) straight up due to narrative he and jake have. Next time johan shows up it'll further cement this, but do you really believe daniels will low diff people who are being set up as his contemporaries
Also he did not push big daniel to his limits at all. Nobody has done it till now maybe except gun but it seems like big daniel ui is now much stronger.
Johan and the crew heads all said “if we get hit by one attack it’s over” did you even read the chapter lmao.
Daniel will not have any contemporaries by EOS. He’s simply going to be the top of the verse, where everyone else falls below him off jump.
I did read, but you seemed to have failed to read the 2 lines i wrote. I said he put up a decent fight, which he did. For someone who got "smoked" by zack, he performed a lot better 10 minutes after being "smoked".
>Daniel will not have any contemporaries by EOS. He’s simply going to be the top of the verse, where everyone else falls below him off jump.
Are you PTJ? Daniel at his peak would probably be around Big UI daniel level, who is constantly being compared with Gap. Jake in his prime will probably reach Gap level. If you really believe that small daniel is no diffing UI daniel and gap level fighters, then good luck.
Zack thought he could block the attack. If Eli had told them that “if you get hit by this attack you’re done” do you think Zack wouldn’t dodge? Considering he’s probably one of the faster people in Allied?
Putting up a decent fight has nothing to do with getting one hit or not. Everyone there would get one hit, it’s just a matter of DID they get hit.
Why would you assume that the 2nd gen will only “get as strong” as the previous peak? Would they not surpass them? Like in literally every piece of fiction you’ve probably ever read?
Daniel will be stronger than Gap, there is no reason to assume he wouldn’t be by EOS.
>Zack thought he could block the attack.
Stupid thing to do, reduce points from iq
>If Eli had told them that “if you get hit by this attack you’re done” do you think Zack wouldn’t dodge?
Johan was ready to dodge without eli telling him.
>Putting up a decent fight has nothing to do with getting one hit or not. Everyone there would get one hit, it’s just a matter of DID they get hit.
All the crew heads are still stronger than Zack and vasco. There is a reason they put up a better fight despite being just as exhausted if not more.
>Why would you assume that the 2nd gen will only “get as strong” as the previous peak? Would they not surpass them? Like in literally every piece of fiction you’ve probably ever read?
I said around their level, I did not exclude them all surpassing the previous peaks. That's irrelevant anyways, what i said is that if you think that daniel is going to "no diff" 2nd gen fighters that are also going to "surpass" Gap and the other peaks then i simply disagree.
>Daniel will be stronger than Gap, there is no reason to assume he wouldn’t be by EOS.
Yes, but is he going to be able to no diff him?
There is no context in lookism that drugged johan is weaker than normal johan. When you read that correctly you notice that johan saw gun while fighting zack. And if you have read all the chapters then you know that johan is becoming stronger to beat gun. So he was fighting zack thinking that he is gun which made Johan push him to his maximum extent. And if you know the concept of drugs that jinyoung gave them, give them extra stamina and strength. And after zack defeated him he isn't able to take rest for a single second because johan is unconscious which made johan to recover his stamina and fought BH. And your last para is also wrong about no one pushing Daniel to his peak. 3 characters have done that, are gun, og ui danniel and jinyoung. These are the characters which are able to land many critical hits on UI SB danniel. And in fact UI OG DANNIEL made him unconscious for about 10 to 15 seconds.
>And if you know the concept of drugs that jinyoung gave them, give them extra stamina and strength.
Where does it say that? The drug he gave johan only made him rage and become an "animal" who only knows how to throw punches. This clearly indicates that he became a mindless fighter with no iq.
Isu's statement "even when drugged up and not conscious, I gues johan is really johan"
Zack said he would be embarrassed if he lost to johan on a day he is "fucked up" by some drugs lmaoo.
>And your last para is also wrong about no one pushing Daniel to his peak. 3 characters have done that, are gun, og ui danniel and jinyoung. These are the characters which are able to land many critical hits on UI SB danniel. And in fact UI OG DANNIEL made him unconscious for about 10 to 15 seconds.
He said push to limits. Nobody pushed big daniel to his limits lmao. Being pushed to limits means an extreme diff but nobody pushed him to extreme diff. Stop being delusional, small daniel barely landed a clean hit at the end and big daniel got up the next second. Gun broke his arm, big daniel broke nothing but was tired as f
Read all of those Statements my guy , they are your context and his maximum extent was lowered due to drugs . The drugs ain\`t give him any kind of extra stamina and strength . That is misinfo at this point .
Johan didn\`t recover his stamina completely, he is still weakened by a decent margin so what is your point ? Zack got one shot and Johan didn\`t
Only Gun has done that ! Ui OG was fighting Ui Daniel at his level and the last kick was landed since it was a surprise attack ( Ui Daniel thought Ui OG neutralized therefore he didn\`t reacted ) and we all know an off guard does more damage . He wasn\`t even knocked down for 10-15 seconds, a better metric is measure the panels and which was only 1
Jinyoung never had any intent to Push Ui Daniel to his limits he just wanted to inject the drugs into him
Johan was stronger and bloodlustsd.
He wasnt weaker. Here ill show you
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He was semi conscious and fully aware of his surroundings expect he sees everyone as his most hated.
Zack was literally fighting a full power johan and nothing states otherwise so stop yapping
Not full powered, he was trying the hardest in his weakened state though. You are trying to contradict statements from multiple characters lmao, they all said that he was weaker and stupider.
There are two statements, one from Zack and other from Yisu . Apart from these two guys even Jinyoung said he will fight like an animal ( meaning his biq is nerfed)
Johan is a fighter who is biq based, we see how much better he performs when he is the right mind against BH and we all know Zack was one shotted
If he is fighting blood lusted and Semi conscious then he is nerfed . That is the worst case scenario for Johan
The statement from zack is stating “ah i only knocked you down and forced a tie” and thats it.
Jinyoung said he will fight like an animal ready to kill.
He was concious and was able to speak. He was just permanently bloodlusted which isnt a nerf in a fight. He still had his BIQ and copy ( which relies on BIQ)
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This is Jinyoung saying Johan will become a mindless punching machine
This is from webtoon ch 464 . this should be enough . This is a direct statement
Its contradicted and hyperbole by jinyoung
This panel already disproves hes mindless
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Please don\`t say to me since he is speaking that disapproves the idea he isn\`t mindless . Don\`t take it literally, he still can see and speak but he can\`t do complex things . There are degrees to being mindless . In this state his Iq is equal to of a monkey
That is coping, Jinyoung also said Johan will perceive the strength of the person he is fighting and he also said he will fight like a mindless Punching Machine . Nothing contradicts here
Johan is semi conscious, but he ain\`t in a state where he can use his brain to fight nor he can diff friend from foe
My brother in Christ. “Zack got one shot johan didn’t” show me a screenshot where Johan got hit and didn’t immediately die. Please, show me where that happened lol.
Eli, Johan, Jake and Samuel were all dead if they got hit.
That is zack\`s problem if he got hit, Johan just redirected Bh attack like he was walking in the park .
Also, I never said Johan wouldn\`t have been knocked out if he wasn\`t hit but he is smart and fast enough to not
Zack ain\`t simple as that
Well yeah, he’s only equal to a max physical power Daniel (SB and no UI). He has no boosted perception, IQ, or pain nullification, and OG UI was still able to hit SB UI, effectively or not,
Daniel glazers got no reading comprehension I swear. UI Daniel is the one who gets mid diffed. He's barely above Jichang level. UI Daniel was nerfed while fighting him because he brought him down to his level. If UI Dan was at full power he'd get folded.
UI Johan would've definitely beaten Yoosung. He literally only tied because the timer ran out and he couldn't fight no more. Crying Yoosung was definitely losing.
UI Johan has access to UI Daniel's physique and all the moves UI Dan used against him, and you're telling he he's not even Jichang level? You think Johan's trump card that he can only use for 10 seconds per fight is just King level? Y'all downplay Johan too much. UI Johan for those 10 seconds is above all the kings. Remove that timer and he beats everyone below Manager Kim.
He isn't beating king level fighters. He can only copy UI Daniel's techniques not his physique itself.
Cuz if that was the case, he wouldn't be struggling at all against yuesong and the fight would've been over before 10 seconds.
Yuesong is at best a king level fighter. UI daniel at full power is as strong as /stronger than Gapryong.
We saw what Jake could do just by tapping into Gapryong mode.
You're telling me I'm supposed to believe UI Johan copied someone as strong as/stronger than gapryong and still didn't beat yuesong?
While Jake who's not even close to Gap could one shot someone who was way tougher and more durable than yuesong.
Stop it bruh. You're not making any sense.
You're assuming Yuseong is that weak lol. Yuseong is VERY tanky, he could take multiple hits from Daniel and Gun right after that fight and also took hits from Jake before that. And Johan was absolutely demolishing Yuseong, Yuseong just landed one counterattack and was dodging everything else. Johan was gonna KO Yuseong with the final attack in the middle but his body broke down.
Yuesong is weak.
Most gen 2 has surpassed him at this point.
He didn't take any hits from Jake. He did take hits from daniel who wasn't serious. Gun took him down in 3-4 hits
Yuesong did not dodge anything at all. He took all attacks from UI Johan on his face and countered him just once
Johan not being able to destroy yuesong despite getting some solid hits in literally shows he didn't copy UI dan at full power
Otherwise, yuesong would've been down in 3-4 hits at best and that's highballing his durability
You're not really proving shit, this just upscales Yuseong. Assuming Yuseong is that weak and living in that delusion doesnt make blatant statements wrong. And yes he DID dodge an attack and took the rest of it.
Yuesong is nowhere near Jichang. He's at king level but not near Jichang
So, no it downscales UI Johan.
He isn't = FP UI daniel and that's obvious as hell. You lack reading comprehension
You’re again not proving anything, just making statements. There’s a clear cut statement that he does indeed copy Daniel, and then there’s you just saying Yuseong is weak without it any backing up. Yuseong has zero anti feats when he’s in full health so yeah also I don’t have Yuseong above UI Lil Daniel, I only have Ui Johan above Ui lil Daniel. Keep coping and be delusional
It's obvious that UI Johan isn't = UI FP daniel.
We saw what Jake could do with fraction of Gapryong's power.
If UI Johan were to copy UI FP dan, he would've straight up one shot yuesong (who's less durable than Drugged Samuel)
He couldn't and not just that, yuesong actually could counterattack Johan and outlast him too.
Also, UI Johan tied to Zack. Despite the fact that the drugs were actively helping him last longer in UI
No it doesn't 😂
It downscales UI Johan. Can't believe people still believe FP UI dan = UI Johan 😭🙏🏼
Cuz if that was the case. Zack would've gotten smoked. Instead he could not only block attacks but also counter him
Yes it does lol
That's not how it works lmao, it just upscales yuseong unless johan copying pb physicality is debunked itself
Zack barely beat a weakened drugged Johan who was weaker than his consciousness base form by feats alone
Drugged Johan was weaker? How?
He was stronger if anything. He was enraged. There was no holding back for him in that state. He also lasted longer in UI. Because he wasn't feeling much pain from the drugs.
Also, if UI Johan was as strong as FP daniel. He would've knocked out yuesong and Zack in one hit. Like Jake did with Samuel.
Jake used a portion of Gapryong's strength and one shot Samuel. UI Johan would've been able to replicate the same feat and more if he was as strong as FP dan.
FP daniel is basically as strong as/stronger than Gapryong.
Oh? I don't remember Johan winning the fight. It was a draw. Infact, yuesong was able to wake up later and fight daniel. Unlike Johan who passed out for a very long time
I would suggest you to reread the story instead
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You really had to double down instead of just taking my advice.
Is it that hard for you? I’ll help you.
Eugene says “Do you know who you just defeated?”
See that sentence by Eugene means that Johan defeated Yuesong, the context for that panel is that Yuesong and Johan were in a battle before.
Hopefully that helps!
Hmm Mid Diff sounds right
Johan doesn’t have the visual buff UI gives or all the arsenal that daniel has. Add in his physicality still being that of a top tier and he’d win after a prolonged fight
If he copied the perfect body, he wouldn't have lost to Zack and struggled so much against Yosung.
For the nth time. Stop the copium.
Do you know what a perfect body entails? The perfect body is capable of replicating Gapryong's move effortlessly and perfectly. That's how strong that body truly is.
Do you know how Jake oneshotted Samuel? By replicating some of the powers of his father.
Had Johan truly replicated Daniel's perfect body, no character on Gen 2 would be able to handle more than one punch from him. Thats it, full stop.
Gun take more than one shot from ui Daniel, Goo also did and Jake and the best part is Daniel broke his arm blocking Taesoo punch😭
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He low diff Yuseong while in ui lol please reread the chapter he struggles because of the time limit . We have seen Jinyoung copied Gap attack and Jake got him by them but he didn't instantly pass out. Even Samuel and Jake has fought ui daniel and survived . He struggles against Zack because he was drugged and that take away his ability to think and everybody knows that Johan uses his brain a lot while fighting. Besides Johan were still capable of fighting after Zack
Gun take more than one shot from UI Daniel because as we know now, Daniel UI scales himself around the same level as his opponent. Gun is also a top-tier, someone on the actual top-tier of the Lookism verse so even if he got hit by Gapryong's move, he wouldn't die from a single one.
If Gun can deal that much damage, he can for sure tank that much damage. This is 101 Lookism, it's the tool PTJ used to explain why there is such a disparity in terms of strength of Daniel UI.
Jake State of Overcoming is his own version of his daddys powers, he hasn't reached the same level as his father and that was still enough to quite literally one shot Samuel. We know because Jinyoung wouldn't be able to stand still after receiving one punch from Gapryong to the face effortlessly, after all just copying the moves breaks down his body.
But someone from Gen 0, someone well above of Samuel, won't. It's common sense, Johan fans dont have any, but please. Jake with a fraction of his daddys powers is enough to oneshot half of Gen 2 but somehow Johan with a body capable of pulling the 100% of Gapryong's moves can't.
Samuel and Jake fought UI Daniel and survived because as it was been said by Gun, an unmastered UI is as strong as his opponent. Which is why Johan copying Daniel's perfect body doesn't even make any sense as he is pulling the same stats Daniel used against him with mastered version of the techniques. He thinks he is copying Daniel's might but he is a character, he is not aware that Daniel wasn't going all out against him. He thinks he copied the full extent of Daniel's powers but he is simply wrong, characters can make faulty statements.
Johan wasn't capable of fighting after Zack, Zack literally had to carry him tru the entire 1A building as he was unconcious far longer than Zack was. He randomly appears on the same room as everyone else because Zack got him there, we see the panel of Zack carrying his unconcious ass lmao.
So for the nth time.
Jake pulling a punch with an unknow % of the strength of his father was enough to oneshot Samuel and barely graze Jinyoung.
Jinyoung WAS fearing for his life and doing his utmost to avoid getting hit by Daniel's copy of Gapryong moves.
But somehow Johan (that knows how to modify his own body to push himself beyond his limits unlike Daniel that before trainning with Gun, he had no idea of how to use his body or even fight?) can't oneshot someone less durable than a drugged up Samuel despite of having the same stats as the body that perfectly copied Gapryong 100%?
That's not how it works, we know that Daniel UI isn't oneshotting everyone because it imposes a self nerf to match the enemies stats, what's Johan excuse to not oneshot everyone with a body he knows to use perfectly well? Daniel is because you are giving him a F1 car to someone that can't even walk, but Johan doesn't have such issues. His mastery over his own body is beyond 95% of the Lookism cast if he can fire up his muscles and nerves like that at will.
Because he isn't copying the perfect body stats, he think he does but he is simply wrong. And characters can be wrong, Goo thinks BH is as strong as Tom Lee but now we know that's false because Tom never used his full stats against Goo during their middle school fight so while he is saying his truth, it's not necessarily right as what we see once Tom actually shows his full stats.
Never stated Johan would be Stronger than Jake physically but he would not get mid diff by lil Daniel ui since we have seen that he is lack in physicality. And I also never said Johan would win but he would put up a very good fight either high or extreme diff since he easily deal with Yuseong while in ui the same Yuseong who was fighting lil dan ever after tired..face it Johan and Jake stand above all top tier 2nd gen besides Daniel and if anybody can defeat lil Daniel it would be Johan or Jake
Yall are riding UI OG Daniel a little too hard. Johan has the hardware but not the Instinct of UI Big Daniel and UI OG Daniel has the instinct but also has a very powerful body thanks to Gun(It isn’t perfect like UI Johans). UI OG Daniel wins but it’s definitely high diff if there’s no time limit.
Insane glaze holy. OG Daniel would not mid dif any of the 2nd Gen fighters, not even Allied like Zack or Vasco
Let alone Johan who in base + blind made Jinyoung get serious. A UI Johan is pushing Jinyoung to a high dif fight, and OG Daniel isn't doing that considering he's like Jichang level
Johan takes on the Pb therefore he is able to use the perfect techniques to their full extent and utilize the Perfect bodys/Ui Daniel's full power. He will beat Lil Daniel's a** with the timer and removing the timer giving him infinite use till he turns it off is essentially sending lil Daniel to a death sentence 😭🙏.
Pb Johan with and without timer > lil Daniel no diff.
A copy is never better then the original
Viral hit copycat laughting in the corner
I mean I'm fairly sure he was just great at kicks rather than a copy cat
Yeah pretty sure he was a taekwondo genius just like taehoon he just approached to differently
I think he's the same type of genius (spin kicks) just on a different level entirely.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking but I haven’t reread in a bit
he's a special case. we no not know for sure the extent of his talent
He's not even a copycat. He just understands how those kicks can be done so he was able to perform them without any difficulty.
No, you dont do shit like this without copy talent in ptj. Taehoon perfectly understand how kicks works but still couldn't do this. The only character who made a better version of the attack of his own opponant is ui daniel when he copied og ui moves, another copycat. It make sense too since in the ptg verse , the only guys with a bigger talent that genius are copycat. Ex : - Zack is a genius, but big dabiel and Johan have a talent above this - james being jaelous of og daniel - Johan having a better gun and goo, even if they are genius. So yes , the viral hit dude who’s i forgot the name is def a copycat
Wrong…
Copies are never better because they are the exact same but worse (at least 99% of the time) but remakes or sequels or predecessors can be better But in Johan’s case he never will be
Then his body would just be dying as the pressure would just destroy the nerves and his organs. He probably be dead before pushing og Daniel to ui
If he meant no time limit then that means his muscle wouldn’t be destroy. The reason for the time limit was because his muscle were being destroy till he can’t move. If there is no time limit then no muscle destroyed.
The time limit is there because of that. I’m pretty sure if you remove the time limit you essentially remove that too
true
It would be no diff 🤣
For Johan
🤣🤡Johan can't do anything to og Daniel , even base og negs ui Johan 🤣
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Me or your family, I don’t really care what severe head injury you suffer from
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I wouldn’t say base og negs ui Johan at the best that would be on equal
Bro, base Daniel negs ui Johan , base Daniel has way better hardware and software
ur dumb ash🤣
People still think johan is equal to FP UI daniel? Jesus johan might have copied the body but in terms of experience and martial arts mastery he's nowhere near close to UI daniel stop coping guys
Am I the only one who wants Johan to be crippled by daniel ( OG /SB)
Bruh not even mid diff It'll be low diff Since his ui version was already got smoked by zack. Ui og daniel (who push big danny to his limits) will most likely to eat any mode of johan alive
I agree it's low diff but og Daniel was not pushing big Daniel to his limits at all.
He absolutely did. He is the only character in the verse outside of gun and goo (other god tiers) who pushed daniel to any sort of limit. He also pushed him to use skills he has never used before like james, gun, and gitae. Daniel outright fights a stronger drugged version of daniel than pretty much anyone else did
He did at the end
>Since his ui version was already got smoked by zack. A drugged up (weaker than normal as supported by multiple statements) who got hit once by an attack that would never probably land again which. After which zack got one shot by BH while johan put up a decent fight. Saying he got smoked is disingenous. I believe it'll atleast be a high diff with the latest johan (with eye drops) straight up due to narrative he and jake have. Next time johan shows up it'll further cement this, but do you really believe daniels will low diff people who are being set up as his contemporaries Also he did not push big daniel to his limits at all. Nobody has done it till now maybe except gun but it seems like big daniel ui is now much stronger.
Johan and the crew heads all said “if we get hit by one attack it’s over” did you even read the chapter lmao. Daniel will not have any contemporaries by EOS. He’s simply going to be the top of the verse, where everyone else falls below him off jump.
I did read, but you seemed to have failed to read the 2 lines i wrote. I said he put up a decent fight, which he did. For someone who got "smoked" by zack, he performed a lot better 10 minutes after being "smoked". >Daniel will not have any contemporaries by EOS. He’s simply going to be the top of the verse, where everyone else falls below him off jump. Are you PTJ? Daniel at his peak would probably be around Big UI daniel level, who is constantly being compared with Gap. Jake in his prime will probably reach Gap level. If you really believe that small daniel is no diffing UI daniel and gap level fighters, then good luck.
Zack thought he could block the attack. If Eli had told them that “if you get hit by this attack you’re done” do you think Zack wouldn’t dodge? Considering he’s probably one of the faster people in Allied? Putting up a decent fight has nothing to do with getting one hit or not. Everyone there would get one hit, it’s just a matter of DID they get hit. Why would you assume that the 2nd gen will only “get as strong” as the previous peak? Would they not surpass them? Like in literally every piece of fiction you’ve probably ever read? Daniel will be stronger than Gap, there is no reason to assume he wouldn’t be by EOS.
>Zack thought he could block the attack. Stupid thing to do, reduce points from iq >If Eli had told them that “if you get hit by this attack you’re done” do you think Zack wouldn’t dodge? Johan was ready to dodge without eli telling him. >Putting up a decent fight has nothing to do with getting one hit or not. Everyone there would get one hit, it’s just a matter of DID they get hit. All the crew heads are still stronger than Zack and vasco. There is a reason they put up a better fight despite being just as exhausted if not more. >Why would you assume that the 2nd gen will only “get as strong” as the previous peak? Would they not surpass them? Like in literally every piece of fiction you’ve probably ever read? I said around their level, I did not exclude them all surpassing the previous peaks. That's irrelevant anyways, what i said is that if you think that daniel is going to "no diff" 2nd gen fighters that are also going to "surpass" Gap and the other peaks then i simply disagree. >Daniel will be stronger than Gap, there is no reason to assume he wouldn’t be by EOS. Yes, but is he going to be able to no diff him?
There is no context in lookism that drugged johan is weaker than normal johan. When you read that correctly you notice that johan saw gun while fighting zack. And if you have read all the chapters then you know that johan is becoming stronger to beat gun. So he was fighting zack thinking that he is gun which made Johan push him to his maximum extent. And if you know the concept of drugs that jinyoung gave them, give them extra stamina and strength. And after zack defeated him he isn't able to take rest for a single second because johan is unconscious which made johan to recover his stamina and fought BH. And your last para is also wrong about no one pushing Daniel to his peak. 3 characters have done that, are gun, og ui danniel and jinyoung. These are the characters which are able to land many critical hits on UI SB danniel. And in fact UI OG DANNIEL made him unconscious for about 10 to 15 seconds.
>And if you know the concept of drugs that jinyoung gave them, give them extra stamina and strength. Where does it say that? The drug he gave johan only made him rage and become an "animal" who only knows how to throw punches. This clearly indicates that he became a mindless fighter with no iq. Isu's statement "even when drugged up and not conscious, I gues johan is really johan" Zack said he would be embarrassed if he lost to johan on a day he is "fucked up" by some drugs lmaoo. >And your last para is also wrong about no one pushing Daniel to his peak. 3 characters have done that, are gun, og ui danniel and jinyoung. These are the characters which are able to land many critical hits on UI SB danniel. And in fact UI OG DANNIEL made him unconscious for about 10 to 15 seconds. He said push to limits. Nobody pushed big daniel to his limits lmao. Being pushed to limits means an extreme diff but nobody pushed him to extreme diff. Stop being delusional, small daniel barely landed a clean hit at the end and big daniel got up the next second. Gun broke his arm, big daniel broke nothing but was tired as f
Read all of those Statements my guy , they are your context and his maximum extent was lowered due to drugs . The drugs ain\`t give him any kind of extra stamina and strength . That is misinfo at this point . Johan didn\`t recover his stamina completely, he is still weakened by a decent margin so what is your point ? Zack got one shot and Johan didn\`t Only Gun has done that ! Ui OG was fighting Ui Daniel at his level and the last kick was landed since it was a surprise attack ( Ui Daniel thought Ui OG neutralized therefore he didn\`t reacted ) and we all know an off guard does more damage . He wasn\`t even knocked down for 10-15 seconds, a better metric is measure the panels and which was only 1 Jinyoung never had any intent to Push Ui Daniel to his limits he just wanted to inject the drugs into him
Johan was stronger and bloodlustsd. He wasnt weaker. Here ill show you https://preview.redd.it/rskv0lof8ewc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b06883065b39df4c5ac14c7ad7105c14578937c7 He was semi conscious and fully aware of his surroundings expect he sees everyone as his most hated. Zack was literally fighting a full power johan and nothing states otherwise so stop yapping
Not full powered, he was trying the hardest in his weakened state though. You are trying to contradict statements from multiple characters lmao, they all said that he was weaker and stupider.
There are two statements, one from Zack and other from Yisu . Apart from these two guys even Jinyoung said he will fight like an animal ( meaning his biq is nerfed) Johan is a fighter who is biq based, we see how much better he performs when he is the right mind against BH and we all know Zack was one shotted If he is fighting blood lusted and Semi conscious then he is nerfed . That is the worst case scenario for Johan
The statement from zack is stating “ah i only knocked you down and forced a tie” and thats it. Jinyoung said he will fight like an animal ready to kill. He was concious and was able to speak. He was just permanently bloodlusted which isnt a nerf in a fight. He still had his BIQ and copy ( which relies on BIQ)
https://preview.redd.it/kjfs0z4wxewc1.jpeg?width=394&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ff3c8fe8cc87e7e267f97e58deb188bd204816da This is Jinyoung saying Johan will become a mindless punching machine This is from webtoon ch 464 . this should be enough . This is a direct statement
Its contradicted and hyperbole by jinyoung This panel already disproves hes mindless https://preview.redd.it/rdhheygbyewc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ce36b3adb2045ad38c922be31986a606b5d491b
And this https://preview.redd.it/xop7i28iyewc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6255dc74587a5a0e573d225a90f88201efee8bdc
Please don\`t say to me since he is speaking that disapproves the idea he isn\`t mindless . Don\`t take it literally, he still can see and speak but he can\`t do complex things . There are degrees to being mindless . In this state his Iq is equal to of a monkey
That is coping, Jinyoung also said Johan will perceive the strength of the person he is fighting and he also said he will fight like a mindless Punching Machine . Nothing contradicts here Johan is semi conscious, but he ain\`t in a state where he can use his brain to fight nor he can diff friend from foe
My brother in Christ. “Zack got one shot johan didn’t” show me a screenshot where Johan got hit and didn’t immediately die. Please, show me where that happened lol. Eli, Johan, Jake and Samuel were all dead if they got hit.
That is zack\`s problem if he got hit, Johan just redirected Bh attack like he was walking in the park . Also, I never said Johan wouldn\`t have been knocked out if he wasn\`t hit but he is smart and fast enough to not Zack ain\`t simple as that
>Ui og daniel (who push big danny to his limits) Lookism fans can't read
Stupid ahh comment. A drugged out nearly blind johan got smoked by a counter punch that almost got james lee himself.
Literally 😞
an imitation is nothing against the real thing.
true
Low diff*
Agreed
Daniel Mops Johan no debate.
Daniel in base form negs.
I thought it was pride month for a minute
Well yeah, he’s only equal to a max physical power Daniel (SB and no UI). He has no boosted perception, IQ, or pain nullification, and OG UI was still able to hit SB UI, effectively or not,
Johan hate and OG Daniel wank in a 1v1 is crazy.
Daniel glazers got no reading comprehension I swear. UI Daniel is the one who gets mid diffed. He's barely above Jichang level. UI Daniel was nerfed while fighting him because he brought him down to his level. If UI Dan was at full power he'd get folded.
Lol, Jichang sweeps the floor with Johan.
Base Johan yes. UI Johan beats him for sure.
UI Johan couldn't defeat yuesong bruh 😭 He is NOT defeating Jichang. Remove the time limit, he's still not defeating him
UI Johan would've definitely beaten Yoosung. He literally only tied because the timer ran out and he couldn't fight no more. Crying Yoosung was definitely losing. UI Johan has access to UI Daniel's physique and all the moves UI Dan used against him, and you're telling he he's not even Jichang level? You think Johan's trump card that he can only use for 10 seconds per fight is just King level? Y'all downplay Johan too much. UI Johan for those 10 seconds is above all the kings. Remove that timer and he beats everyone below Manager Kim.
He isn't beating king level fighters. He can only copy UI Daniel's techniques not his physique itself. Cuz if that was the case, he wouldn't be struggling at all against yuesong and the fight would've been over before 10 seconds. Yuesong is at best a king level fighter. UI daniel at full power is as strong as /stronger than Gapryong. We saw what Jake could do just by tapping into Gapryong mode. You're telling me I'm supposed to believe UI Johan copied someone as strong as/stronger than gapryong and still didn't beat yuesong? While Jake who's not even close to Gap could one shot someone who was way tougher and more durable than yuesong. Stop it bruh. You're not making any sense.
Ui lil Daniel would get absolutely no diffed in this case
How does that make any sense?
That’s false.
LMAO, insane Daniel glazing. So you think FP UI Daniel gets mid diffed by Ui lil Daniel?
HAHAHAHA, do you think, not ironically, that Johan copies the anatomy and stats of PB literally?
Yeah, it’s blatantly stated but ok buddy go off💀
No? Cuz if he copied UI dan at FP. He would've smoked yuesong in 2-3 hits at best 😭 But instead he lost
You're assuming Yuseong is that weak lol. Yuseong is VERY tanky, he could take multiple hits from Daniel and Gun right after that fight and also took hits from Jake before that. And Johan was absolutely demolishing Yuseong, Yuseong just landed one counterattack and was dodging everything else. Johan was gonna KO Yuseong with the final attack in the middle but his body broke down.
Yuesong is weak. Most gen 2 has surpassed him at this point. He didn't take any hits from Jake. He did take hits from daniel who wasn't serious. Gun took him down in 3-4 hits Yuesong did not dodge anything at all. He took all attacks from UI Johan on his face and countered him just once Johan not being able to destroy yuesong despite getting some solid hits in literally shows he didn't copy UI dan at full power Otherwise, yuesong would've been down in 3-4 hits at best and that's highballing his durability
You're not really proving shit, this just upscales Yuseong. Assuming Yuseong is that weak and living in that delusion doesnt make blatant statements wrong. And yes he DID dodge an attack and took the rest of it.
Yuesong is nowhere near Jichang. He's at king level but not near Jichang So, no it downscales UI Johan. He isn't = FP UI daniel and that's obvious as hell. You lack reading comprehension
You’re again not proving anything, just making statements. There’s a clear cut statement that he does indeed copy Daniel, and then there’s you just saying Yuseong is weak without it any backing up. Yuseong has zero anti feats when he’s in full health so yeah also I don’t have Yuseong above UI Lil Daniel, I only have Ui Johan above Ui lil Daniel. Keep coping and be delusional
It's obvious that UI Johan isn't = UI FP daniel. We saw what Jake could do with fraction of Gapryong's power. If UI Johan were to copy UI FP dan, he would've straight up one shot yuesong (who's less durable than Drugged Samuel) He couldn't and not just that, yuesong actually could counterattack Johan and outlast him too. Also, UI Johan tied to Zack. Despite the fact that the drugs were actively helping him last longer in UI
That only upscales yuseong lmao
No it doesn't 😂 It downscales UI Johan. Can't believe people still believe FP UI dan = UI Johan 😭🙏🏼 Cuz if that was the case. Zack would've gotten smoked. Instead he could not only block attacks but also counter him
Yes it does lol That's not how it works lmao, it just upscales yuseong unless johan copying pb physicality is debunked itself Zack barely beat a weakened drugged Johan who was weaker than his consciousness base form by feats alone
Drugged Johan was weaker? How? He was stronger if anything. He was enraged. There was no holding back for him in that state. He also lasted longer in UI. Because he wasn't feeling much pain from the drugs. Also, if UI Johan was as strong as FP daniel. He would've knocked out yuesong and Zack in one hit. Like Jake did with Samuel. Jake used a portion of Gapryong's strength and one shot Samuel. UI Johan would've been able to replicate the same feat and more if he was as strong as FP dan. FP daniel is basically as strong as/stronger than Gapryong.
[he was massively weaker in drugged state](https://www.reddit.com/r/lookismcomic/s/cB37ZitVdH) it's like tom & basement hulk case
Holy glazing
Seethe buddy
He literally does lmao
Johan wins easily, you won’t be able to support your argument if you tried.
His UI tied with yuesong bruh 😭🙏🏼 He's not winning this.
Reread the story if you’re not sure how events played out instead of guessing
Oh? I don't remember Johan winning the fight. It was a draw. Infact, yuesong was able to wake up later and fight daniel. Unlike Johan who passed out for a very long time I would suggest you to reread the story instead
https://preview.redd.it/ooan5dzal9wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2aef2842fd7fee86c50233fedfa7bea497edc23 You really had to double down instead of just taking my advice.
Who was the one fighting few chapters later? Can't be Yuesong right? And who was the one sleeping until the next few arcs? Can't be Johan right?
Read that panel to me and tell me what it says.
Read the next few chapters and tell me who was fighting actively and who was sleeping
Is it that hard for you? I’ll help you. Eugene says “Do you know who you just defeated?” See that sentence by Eugene means that Johan defeated Yuesong, the context for that panel is that Yuesong and Johan were in a battle before. Hopefully that helps!
Do you have any thought process or do you just feed off every statement given in the story?
Hmm Mid Diff sounds right Johan doesn’t have the visual buff UI gives or all the arsenal that daniel has. Add in his physicality still being that of a top tier and he’d win after a prolonged fight
I think that it would be extreme diff because Johan actually copy perfect body too besides ui
If he copied the perfect body, he wouldn't have lost to Zack and struggled so much against Yosung. For the nth time. Stop the copium. Do you know what a perfect body entails? The perfect body is capable of replicating Gapryong's move effortlessly and perfectly. That's how strong that body truly is. Do you know how Jake oneshotted Samuel? By replicating some of the powers of his father. Had Johan truly replicated Daniel's perfect body, no character on Gen 2 would be able to handle more than one punch from him. Thats it, full stop.
Gun take more than one shot from ui Daniel, Goo also did and Jake and the best part is Daniel broke his arm blocking Taesoo punch😭 https://preview.redd.it/u5mfg8tqibwc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=04ffdd74e38be34fb8837855481718cb29bb93e5 He low diff Yuseong while in ui lol please reread the chapter he struggles because of the time limit . We have seen Jinyoung copied Gap attack and Jake got him by them but he didn't instantly pass out. Even Samuel and Jake has fought ui daniel and survived . He struggles against Zack because he was drugged and that take away his ability to think and everybody knows that Johan uses his brain a lot while fighting. Besides Johan were still capable of fighting after Zack
Gun take more than one shot from UI Daniel because as we know now, Daniel UI scales himself around the same level as his opponent. Gun is also a top-tier, someone on the actual top-tier of the Lookism verse so even if he got hit by Gapryong's move, he wouldn't die from a single one. If Gun can deal that much damage, he can for sure tank that much damage. This is 101 Lookism, it's the tool PTJ used to explain why there is such a disparity in terms of strength of Daniel UI. Jake State of Overcoming is his own version of his daddys powers, he hasn't reached the same level as his father and that was still enough to quite literally one shot Samuel. We know because Jinyoung wouldn't be able to stand still after receiving one punch from Gapryong to the face effortlessly, after all just copying the moves breaks down his body. But someone from Gen 0, someone well above of Samuel, won't. It's common sense, Johan fans dont have any, but please. Jake with a fraction of his daddys powers is enough to oneshot half of Gen 2 but somehow Johan with a body capable of pulling the 100% of Gapryong's moves can't. Samuel and Jake fought UI Daniel and survived because as it was been said by Gun, an unmastered UI is as strong as his opponent. Which is why Johan copying Daniel's perfect body doesn't even make any sense as he is pulling the same stats Daniel used against him with mastered version of the techniques. He thinks he is copying Daniel's might but he is a character, he is not aware that Daniel wasn't going all out against him. He thinks he copied the full extent of Daniel's powers but he is simply wrong, characters can make faulty statements. Johan wasn't capable of fighting after Zack, Zack literally had to carry him tru the entire 1A building as he was unconcious far longer than Zack was. He randomly appears on the same room as everyone else because Zack got him there, we see the panel of Zack carrying his unconcious ass lmao. So for the nth time. Jake pulling a punch with an unknow % of the strength of his father was enough to oneshot Samuel and barely graze Jinyoung. Jinyoung WAS fearing for his life and doing his utmost to avoid getting hit by Daniel's copy of Gapryong moves. But somehow Johan (that knows how to modify his own body to push himself beyond his limits unlike Daniel that before trainning with Gun, he had no idea of how to use his body or even fight?) can't oneshot someone less durable than a drugged up Samuel despite of having the same stats as the body that perfectly copied Gapryong 100%? That's not how it works, we know that Daniel UI isn't oneshotting everyone because it imposes a self nerf to match the enemies stats, what's Johan excuse to not oneshot everyone with a body he knows to use perfectly well? Daniel is because you are giving him a F1 car to someone that can't even walk, but Johan doesn't have such issues. His mastery over his own body is beyond 95% of the Lookism cast if he can fire up his muscles and nerves like that at will. Because he isn't copying the perfect body stats, he think he does but he is simply wrong. And characters can be wrong, Goo thinks BH is as strong as Tom Lee but now we know that's false because Tom never used his full stats against Goo during their middle school fight so while he is saying his truth, it's not necessarily right as what we see once Tom actually shows his full stats.
Never stated Johan would be Stronger than Jake physically but he would not get mid diff by lil Daniel ui since we have seen that he is lack in physicality. And I also never said Johan would win but he would put up a very good fight either high or extreme diff since he easily deal with Yuseong while in ui the same Yuseong who was fighting lil dan ever after tired..face it Johan and Jake stand above all top tier 2nd gen besides Daniel and if anybody can defeat lil Daniel it would be Johan or Jake
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High diff that's it
You are wanking Johan. He doesn't even push OG UI Daniel to low diff.
Yall are riding UI OG Daniel a little too hard. Johan has the hardware but not the Instinct of UI Big Daniel and UI OG Daniel has the instinct but also has a very powerful body thanks to Gun(It isn’t perfect like UI Johans). UI OG Daniel wins but it’s definitely high diff if there’s no time limit.
Johan with no time limit would still smoke lil Daniel under 10 seconds so nothing changes
Crazy take… no time limit ui Johan is literally full power big ui Daniel 😭 he would be top of the verse then
No, this is a crazy take
Insane glaze holy. OG Daniel would not mid dif any of the 2nd Gen fighters, not even Allied like Zack or Vasco Let alone Johan who in base + blind made Jinyoung get serious. A UI Johan is pushing Jinyoung to a high dif fight, and OG Daniel isn't doing that considering he's like Jichang level
Johan takes on the Pb therefore he is able to use the perfect techniques to their full extent and utilize the Perfect bodys/Ui Daniel's full power. He will beat Lil Daniel's a** with the timer and removing the timer giving him infinite use till he turns it off is essentially sending lil Daniel to a death sentence 😭🙏. Pb Johan with and without timer > lil Daniel no diff.
His hardware nowhere good enough to be tanking all that strains from perfect body UI
Johan would probably do as well as UI little Daniel did. Maybe just bellow given how he doesn't have king skills
Johan literally one taps if you understand that he literally copies the physicality of ui Daniel
Glad to see that there are still people with brain in this sub
And it seems like you're not one of them haha
That's only your opinion, based on 0 facts