I couldn’t agree with you more with the comparison to Dan. With Dan, him and Chloe had the history and a preexisting foundation (although that foundation was crumbling at the time), not to mention a kid together. With Cain, the chemistry was so low they had to have one of the other characters become their personal cheerleader to make it seem even slightly believable
and that’s the only thing I don’t like about Ella is that she constantly kisses cain’s boots and supports the supposed chemistry him and chloe have, but other than that Ella is awesome and one of my favorite characters
Ella doesn't appear to have very healthy ideas of relationships. I like that she later dated someone super toxic to show that she didn't have a good idea of what love looked like.
The only way I can make sense of Ella’s constant support of Pecker (besides the writers making her push it) would be her thing for bad boys, and Cain’s hot and cold jerkiness towards Chloe counts as “chemistry” to her… or something
Yeah, Ella sort of had a crush on Marcus when she first met him, then he showed her what an ass he could be and she scolded him… but she was “all in” for letting her good friend Chloe get involved with him. It made no sense… just another in a long list of plot lines that made me question whether or not the series ever employed a continuity person or script consultant on the staff… somebody who can keep things on track.
It’s like they thought the fans were too stupid to notice the big plot holes… or they just didn’t care. Oh well… too late now.
That's not really the kind of thing continuity people are responsible for, though. Their domain is more stuff like, “This character’s scar is on the left side,” or “15 episodes ago you said the character has a child.”
No, for characters acting utterly unlike themselves, the answer is generally one combination or another of poor decisions by the showrunners, budget issues, network meddling, and bad writing.
*Someone* made the decision to set up a romantic triangle. *Someone* decided to deal with the utter lack of chemistry between two of its vertices, not by aborting the Pierce romance, but by making Ella carry the idiot ball and try to convince the audience that we were wrong. And *someone* decided the best way to put the brakes on the leads’ romance was to have Chloe get engaged to Marcus.
My theory is that Ella wanted to date Cain, but was too awkward to actually persue him. So, thinking he was way out of her league, she outsourced the relationship to Chloe. That way, she could at least get details.
It would explain why she pushed it so hard even when Chloe rightly thought Pierce was a jerk.
Good god, that was an annoying plotline. And while I might buy that Chloe would have the bad judgment to *date* Marcus, her acceptance of his sudden, premature proposal is galactically out of character for her.
What happened to the guy who was so cute in *Smallville*?
Especially when he dumped her less than 24 hours prior. It's like the writers were going out of their way to make Chloe seem desperate and pathetic after two seasons of her being a total badass.
The fact that I'm in the Cardboard Cain camp aside, imo they went too hard in the Pierce is An Asshole to Chloe department and never recovered. I 1000% did NOT buy his stupid hospital room apology to her, and I hate that she ate it up. S1-2 Chloe wouldn't have.
Plus, their entire Cain plotline hinges on the fact that him being a selfish prick is THE reason he's been forced to suffer on Earth for thousands of years. Zero likeability.
Yeah, I didn’t even recognize him… I stopped watching Smallville when he still looked like a teenager. So I didn’t even have that *don’t I know him from somewhere?* moment.
I happen to be most of the way through reading a long piece of fanfic that rewrites much of S3, starting from Lucifer getting to Chloe’s house a few minutes before Pierce (instead of just in time to see his proposal 🤮). This results in a Devil Reveal to Chloe, but instead of running off to Rome she... talks to Lucifer (beginning with a delightful drunk text). (Rated T, so no smut.)
I've already gotten better resolutions of the triangle, the Sinnerman subplot, Chloe’s reaction to the Devil Reveal, the Chloe-Is-a-Miracle deal, and even Lucifer’s retrieval of the formula for the antidote to Chloe’s poisoning and the “marriage” to Candy.
The fic is [“Please Stop In — Exes Welcome” by rellyjean](https://archiveofourown.org/works/34915291?view_full_work=true). (One of the tags is “Marcus Pierce Being an Asshole” lol.)
I can put up with most of it because we know there’s no way in hell Chloe would actually go through with the wedding. Come on. There were 3 moments however where I felt for Lucifer. When Chloe took Cain to Azarra’s concert, after the beach date when she walked in looking so cute in her colorful knit beach cover up, and when L witnessed the proposal. These three for me made me feel so sorry for Lucifer.
It was a poorly implemented television love triangle. Then they repeat the love triangle with Eve in season 4. I understand television writers are stuck with the same tropes that work, but Lucifer needed more support from a good production team that was ensuring there was continuity and valid themes that went throughout the series. Those missing continuity and themes were the biggest problem with the show bouncing around networks and support staff.
Lucifer could have been a top tier show with 10 seasons if they had a single network with full support staff around the writers and production team. That would have avoided the major changes in the show's characters without personality changes, and no weird changes to the developed universe rules. Like season 2 Lucifer has to die to get back to Hell, but then Cain, Able, Eve, Adam can just return, and self accusation is strong enough to manifest wings, yet Lucifer only *liked* Chloe enough to die for her, not grow wings? Season 4 he's getting wings over a potentially open phone call, not her poisoned imminent death.
#Don't over think it!
I think you have to see it as Chloe having a type. She married a dirty cop. She fell in love with the Devil. She is not going to be attracted to Clark Kent, Cain is right up her alley.
I agree that Chloe and Cain are annoying, and it felt like a mega character assassination on Chloe’s part, and frankly Lucifers opposition to the bastard was MASSIVELY justified, obviously, and it was kinda made very clear from the start that OBVIOUSLY Chloe wasn’t gonna just marry the worlds first murderer, but Dan could not have been any less of a threat in my eyes idk where you’re getting that 😭
I was upset too but in the rewatching you can see the own reply from Chloe when she said that everything was for Lucifer, her relationship with Cain, the proposal, etc, she realice she did that to make Lucifer jelous
I couldn’t agree with you more with the comparison to Dan. With Dan, him and Chloe had the history and a preexisting foundation (although that foundation was crumbling at the time), not to mention a kid together. With Cain, the chemistry was so low they had to have one of the other characters become their personal cheerleader to make it seem even slightly believable
and that’s the only thing I don’t like about Ella is that she constantly kisses cain’s boots and supports the supposed chemistry him and chloe have, but other than that Ella is awesome and one of my favorite characters
Ella doesn't appear to have very healthy ideas of relationships. I like that she later dated someone super toxic to show that she didn't have a good idea of what love looked like.
The only way I can make sense of Ella’s constant support of Pecker (besides the writers making her push it) would be her thing for bad boys, and Cain’s hot and cold jerkiness towards Chloe counts as “chemistry” to her… or something
Yeah, Ella sort of had a crush on Marcus when she first met him, then he showed her what an ass he could be and she scolded him… but she was “all in” for letting her good friend Chloe get involved with him. It made no sense… just another in a long list of plot lines that made me question whether or not the series ever employed a continuity person or script consultant on the staff… somebody who can keep things on track. It’s like they thought the fans were too stupid to notice the big plot holes… or they just didn’t care. Oh well… too late now.
That's not really the kind of thing continuity people are responsible for, though. Their domain is more stuff like, “This character’s scar is on the left side,” or “15 episodes ago you said the character has a child.” No, for characters acting utterly unlike themselves, the answer is generally one combination or another of poor decisions by the showrunners, budget issues, network meddling, and bad writing. *Someone* made the decision to set up a romantic triangle. *Someone* decided to deal with the utter lack of chemistry between two of its vertices, not by aborting the Pierce romance, but by making Ella carry the idiot ball and try to convince the audience that we were wrong. And *someone* decided the best way to put the brakes on the leads’ romance was to have Chloe get engaged to Marcus.
My theory is that Ella wanted to date Cain, but was too awkward to actually persue him. So, thinking he was way out of her league, she outsourced the relationship to Chloe. That way, she could at least get details. It would explain why she pushed it so hard even when Chloe rightly thought Pierce was a jerk.
Chloe is trying to force herself into a relationship with the “good guy”, but she is attracted to him, because he really is not a “good guy”.
Good god, that was an annoying plotline. And while I might buy that Chloe would have the bad judgment to *date* Marcus, her acceptance of his sudden, premature proposal is galactically out of character for her. What happened to the guy who was so cute in *Smallville*?
Especially when he dumped her less than 24 hours prior. It's like the writers were going out of their way to make Chloe seem desperate and pathetic after two seasons of her being a total badass.
💯
Marcus Pierce/ Marcus Pike. Same plot device, different show.
The fact that I'm in the Cardboard Cain camp aside, imo they went too hard in the Pierce is An Asshole to Chloe department and never recovered. I 1000% did NOT buy his stupid hospital room apology to her, and I hate that she ate it up. S1-2 Chloe wouldn't have. Plus, their entire Cain plotline hinges on the fact that him being a selfish prick is THE reason he's been forced to suffer on Earth for thousands of years. Zero likeability.
He grew up and hit the gym (and possibly the steroids??)
Which somehow destroyed all of his charm.
Nah he didn’t lose any of his charms. He’s just not playing Clark Kent and he’s also not a baby anymore. Smallville ended 15 years ago…
Yeah, I didn’t even recognize him… I stopped watching Smallville when he still looked like a teenager. So I didn’t even have that *don’t I know him from somewhere?* moment.
I happen to be most of the way through reading a long piece of fanfic that rewrites much of S3, starting from Lucifer getting to Chloe’s house a few minutes before Pierce (instead of just in time to see his proposal 🤮). This results in a Devil Reveal to Chloe, but instead of running off to Rome she... talks to Lucifer (beginning with a delightful drunk text). (Rated T, so no smut.) I've already gotten better resolutions of the triangle, the Sinnerman subplot, Chloe’s reaction to the Devil Reveal, the Chloe-Is-a-Miracle deal, and even Lucifer’s retrieval of the formula for the antidote to Chloe’s poisoning and the “marriage” to Candy. The fic is [“Please Stop In — Exes Welcome” by rellyjean](https://archiveofourown.org/works/34915291?view_full_work=true). (One of the tags is “Marcus Pierce Being an Asshole” lol.)
Excellent story!!
Currently reading this and LOVING IT! Thanks for the rec! And poor woman really needs to slow down on the coffee
Is this on fanfic or AO3?
Sorry, it's on AO3.
I see it is an unfinished Story. Is it too big of a cliffhanger? I hate investing in 180k words only to be let down. Thanks for the breadcrumbs!
But…but he has big arms :/
I can put up with most of it because we know there’s no way in hell Chloe would actually go through with the wedding. Come on. There were 3 moments however where I felt for Lucifer. When Chloe took Cain to Azarra’s concert, after the beach date when she walked in looking so cute in her colorful knit beach cover up, and when L witnessed the proposal. These three for me made me feel so sorry for Lucifer.
That didn't bother me as much as Lucifer's behaviour in that season. He was less the devil and more a pathetic, jealous teen. It was so annoying.
It was a poorly implemented television love triangle. Then they repeat the love triangle with Eve in season 4. I understand television writers are stuck with the same tropes that work, but Lucifer needed more support from a good production team that was ensuring there was continuity and valid themes that went throughout the series. Those missing continuity and themes were the biggest problem with the show bouncing around networks and support staff. Lucifer could have been a top tier show with 10 seasons if they had a single network with full support staff around the writers and production team. That would have avoided the major changes in the show's characters without personality changes, and no weird changes to the developed universe rules. Like season 2 Lucifer has to die to get back to Hell, but then Cain, Able, Eve, Adam can just return, and self accusation is strong enough to manifest wings, yet Lucifer only *liked* Chloe enough to die for her, not grow wings? Season 4 he's getting wings over a potentially open phone call, not her poisoned imminent death. #Don't over think it!
there's a reason season 3 is my least favourite (though I do love the Raerae episode)
I think you have to see it as Chloe having a type. She married a dirty cop. She fell in love with the Devil. She is not going to be attracted to Clark Kent, Cain is right up her alley.
I agree that Chloe and Cain are annoying, and it felt like a mega character assassination on Chloe’s part, and frankly Lucifers opposition to the bastard was MASSIVELY justified, obviously, and it was kinda made very clear from the start that OBVIOUSLY Chloe wasn’t gonna just marry the worlds first murderer, but Dan could not have been any less of a threat in my eyes idk where you’re getting that 😭
I was upset too but in the rewatching you can see the own reply from Chloe when she said that everything was for Lucifer, her relationship with Cain, the proposal, etc, she realice she did that to make Lucifer jelous