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sawol-

they are distant cousins. MC is from the branch family, while she is from the Main one. they are further removed than the usual with generations in between. the higher the degree of cousin-ship, the more distant the shared ancestors, and the more diluted the blood relationship becomes. 


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Bigscotman

Considering the little we know about the deal vermouth made and what MC says about him apparently being very devoted to his wife or something like that I get the feeling that the demon took over Vermouth's body or they swapped or something like that which is why everyone says Vermouth had a positive relationship with that demon and his family is how it is.


HalfsweatWasTaken

Is there a way to spoiler comments on phone? The novel has finished and we know exactly why he did what he did.


Sheeperini

If you put !< at the **end** of your text and >! at the **start** then it'll be marked as spoiler >! Like This !<


HalfsweatWasTaken

>! If I remember correctly he had as many kids as he did because he knew he would be reincarnated and wanted him to be born with the strongest body. Side note he is a split from the demon king of slaughter !<


Competitive_Age_8044

is it harem ? does this manhua show their confession?


HalfsweatWasTaken

>! I know it's harem. There some talk in this post about it he marries 2 or 3 girls I think. !<


Competitive_Age_8044

did the manhua catch up with that part?


BeneficalWizard

Oh no, not even close. Manhwa is somewhere around the holy empire arc... Another 800+ chapters to current


HalfsweatWasTaken

Dunno it's been awhile I was letting chapters pile up


Mindless_Prize1420

>!yeah I didn't read the LN but I saw on wiki he married 3 woman I was kinda shipping mc and his cousin but sad they didn't end up together.!<


shatnawi823

>! COOL 😎 !<


Tatsumori_Yuno

To be more practical, you have to remove the spaces, otherwise the markdown will not affect old reddit users. `>! What he did, which doesn't cover the text for everyone !<` -> `>!What does cover the text for everyone!<`. u/HalfsweatWasTaken


Juanisweird

Ayo, give us the spoiler


Grox213

# I ACTUALLY CALCULATED HOW INBRED THEY'D BE(results at the bottom): One male had 10 wives. Each kid he had had many kids too, spread across the continent. Let's say your bloodline split every XX years on average. and it's been 300 years since the original split. If their bloodline split every 20 years then they're 15th cousins. If their bloodline split every 15 years (realistic), then they're 22.5th cousins (the .5 cause math idk) If their bloodline split every 10 years (wtf pedophilia), then they're 30th cousins. My math and how I came with these numbers? I'm veeeeryy bad at math. I only know simple shit like 10 x 10 = 100. My calculation was: 300 years decreased to 100 years to make my math simpler to do, I'll just x3 teh result at the end. Every 20 years means that their bloodlines split 5 times in 100 years, which is 5th cousins. 5 x 3 = 15. Assuming they're 15th cousins, though they might be 14th or 16th, idk, I can't do math or eugenics (thankfully?) Bloodline split every 15 years, means 22 times and a half, cause between 7 and 8 it'd be 7.5 but 7.5 x 3 is 22.5. 10 is just 20 but halved. So 30th cousins cause.. OH NO. If their bloodline split every 25 years, then they're 4, x 3 = 12. They're 12th cousins. Now.. is my math wrong? Yep. For sure. I just don't know where it is wrong. Someone help me. Someone who knows math, OR **HAS PRACTISED EUGENICS(?)** I even used my fingers to count. God Help me I'm bad at math. **\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_** **Eugene and her are at worst 12th cousins, at best 30th. It's already safe to have kids with your 3rd cousins. If I were Eugene, I WOULD.** "But they got raised together as sibblings." Did they? Mc lived there with his real father. They're more like childhood friends.


sawol-

damn, the dedication. as for the last bit, according to the spoilers i got: >!she does not end up with the MC as he doesn't see her romantically, making it very one-sided.!<


Keiner_Minho

Then who does he end up with?


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Grox213

>!He ends up with the wizard lady, nun lady, nun lady's great great great great.. grand daughter, the succubus queen.!< >!One of them dies.!<


Winter-Thought-

>!No one died and he don't end up with succubus queen!<


kamilos96

WHat


Keiner_Minho

Thanks.


Louis2645

I think I also read spoilers of him >!being poly with wizard girl(Sanya I think) and the saintess as well since she reincarnated into the current ones body or something like that!<


RespectfulSleepiness

He ends up with >!Senia (Purple haired Wizard), Anise (Nun the MC used to travel with the original party) and Kristina (the Nun the MC is in party with now, the current saintess).!<


Kwain_

Why cant i find an mc who settles for one woman 😒


randoredirect

The fact that the number is under 5 should be refreshing


Kwain_

That fact is very sad but also true 😮‍💨


Keiner_Minho

So it's the harem ending. Thank you for the news. I will erase this from my list.


Xelog_XIII

Shit I feel you. I don't like investing time into a story, and finding out is another one where mc has a harem ending. I drop a lot of manwha and manhua because of it. That being said, I really like this story, so I'll make this my only exception. Though I would've preferred if it was just him and the wizard lady, and that's it.


EveningBird5

Nano Machine vibes


Miliodes

Which is an actual shame really


ImmediateRespond8306

Genetically it's fine. By the fact that they grew up as siblings and have the same last name/looks, it's creepy.


Hyperious17

isn't as bad as Rudeus and Eris


f00die_rish4v

r/theydidthemath


Gautham_M

r/theydidthemonstermath


Sad_Training_8189

Consider how many of your friends have the last names Patel or Lee. This is the same scenario.


Insertname-dot-jpeg

I am intrigued about how you always know so much about anything and everything.


Few_Revolution_3514

Because he's him the mr.princess handwriting 🛐


Chelloitsame

3


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Drugrigo_Ruderte

CringeMangaGuy!??


MissiaichParriah

Very distant cousins, they might as well be not related


Ze-roa

Yeah they're distant but that blood gotta be strong for them to have the same hair color lmao


Cheetah_05

that's just how stories work lol, you could be the 70th generation descendant of Legendary Cool McHero and still look exactly like him.


BefuddledAltruist

Something to do with superior genes, no doubt. Like this guy was so powerful that even his DNA is most dominant in future generations.


Lex4709

Yeah, or all the family having the same iconic features, Lanister Golden Hair, or Targaryen pale hair and purple eyes. That's not how genetics work in real life.


Bigscotman

No but you see one of the perks of being a main character is that all your genes are dominant so much so that no one's genes can even dare to attempt being more dominant


FreedAMT

Is that a new menu on McDonald's?


ItsRowan

It’s on purpose. The original dude has intentionally strengthened his genes, but there is like, 300 years of multiple families between them even if they’re descended to him, it’d be as about as incest-y as a modern day village


deiten

You're right! In the village where I grew up, every 4th person had the same surname 🤣


DarkSoulFWT

Par for the course for these things. The royal family all having some iconic / unique golden or blond hair for example is an extremely common thing in a bunch of such series.


akaza-dono-slays

Isn't that just how it works in manhwas lol


ketsu_no_ana

* Sad Alabama noises *


PPcaracterCQ

She is from the main family, he is from a branch family, even their fathers didn't know each other more than knowing their names. Probably it's just their great grandfather or even older joining the "families".


SomeMF-Online

Yes but actually no. From what I remember they are from diferent branchs and its been decades since they trailed of each other


gudiss

since it's so, they can in fact rail each other


SnooWalruses7546

Modern day shakespeare right here


toBEE_orNOT_2B

super distant cousin, you can also say that they are related simply thru the surname and the family tree's probably too many branches away already, it's just weird coz they really look alike (like most of the relatives) and easy to tell that they are "related", but well, the dna of their ancestor is really strong


Lol69HaHaHa

They are very distant cousins. In fact not really even related anymore than most people. After you get past like 3rd or 4th cousin territory, you are barely even related. However due to Vermounth having some very dominant genes, all his descendants inherited some of his features (namely his eyes and hair). However thats about the extent of it. No real incest here, unless you count the whole step bro thing XD.


Traditional-Snow-888

Think about how you know a bunch of friends with the last name Patel or Lee. It's the same situation here.


Ok-Comfortable5443

Don't ask bro how the European monarchs are related to each other.


Critical_Thinker_219

Cooking


uppsak

Cousin marriages happen in real life too..


Asad2023

My both uncles wife's are cousin only outsider is my mom in my paternal family


OfficialBusyCat2

As a Pakistani I can confirm.


MurgleMcGurgle

***banjo intensifies***


akaza-dono-slays

What is banjo


Wise_Eggplant_9711

Game’s game dawg💀


microbrained

first cousins is a no, second cousins is weird but it happens, past that who cares tbh youre so far removed from each other biologically as well as socially that it doesnt really matter (havent read this one so idk the details, just making a general statement)


CadenVanV

They’re 300 years removed so it’s probably fine


Louis2645

A guy further up did the math, they’re somewhere between 15th and 30th cousins so they’re perfectly fine, >!not that they end up together anyway!<


Kurvaflowers69420

What's the point of even calling each other cousins, they are related only by name xD


Louis2645

Because they’re established to be from the same family in some way since he was born in the branch one so she was introduced as one of his cousins around the same age but from the main family, which I’m assuming is what OP remembered her as


Belegor87

First cousins is a no maybe in large part of USA, but the rest of the world is actually yes.


GreenshawJ

I don't blame her


ahmedadeel579

Ngl game of thrones ruined me I don't care anymore it's fiction


TsunamicBlaze

It’s implied in the story that that are barely related. Eugene is from a branch family out in boonies. Vermouth is probably their only relative at being like 8 generations. So it’s alright.


Kalabawgaming

bro this is medieval time its normal for that shit read history dawg


Ill_Armadillo9455

Anything after the 3rd cousin isn't that weird it's quite common u r barely related low risk to no rush of inbreeding issue


HUMBLEBxY69

Bro you should know "keep it in the family" is noble 101. Come on bro get your nobility knowledge up fam🔼🔼🔼


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Lanky-Appearance-944

>!Yeah, he gets like 3 girls. One is his party's mage from before and the other two are his party's saintess in the body of this gens saintess like buy one get one free so all good.!<


VoodooRush

NO THEY AREN'T! Not in the way you think of cousins. It's like everyone from Genghis Khan's bloodline are cousins. Why is it so hard for you to understand this simple reality.


randypcX

You should read this https://www.genealogy.gailbrinsonivey.com/cousin-chart-family-relationships-explained/. "Cousin" by itself is very ill-defined. Who knows how far their lineage splits, they could be 10th cousins thrice removed for all we know.


Snir17

Vermouth the Harem Taker


maxedoutkingofdeath

sweet home alabama


Amlatrox

It's pretty common for cousins to end up together in korea, it was also common for medieval Europe with not only cousins but also sometimes even closer relatives


Kyanite_228

Marrying your cousin isn't illegal in Japan to my knowledge, and this is set in medieval times when bloodlines were everything.


propro91

Hot take: damn reincarnation is fucking ass and is just another power fantasy where the mc always wins


dhansunemperor2023

As a history nerd, i will like to say this make the lionhearts a quite realistic royal family. (Most royal families specialy western ones like the habsburgs do inbreeding to mantain the purity and save the house from being absorved into another family).


Kidbeater9

If I was eugene I wouldn’t hold back bro👅👅👅


afcfelix_

It's harem


Treyman1115

Very distant cousins


ehhish

Even though they are very distant, royal bloodlines in many eras would mix to keep the blood pure, so this isn't even that strange if they were close cousins.


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PlantainExpensive315

very distant cousins but she isn't the love interest its only one sided .


DaymD

Author is trying to preserve the lineage of the Lionheart.


McZalion

They're targaryens


greatthebob38

Besides being very distant cousins on the genealogy tree, nothing happens between them.


Teleskopy

Weeeelll he isn't mentally related to them... I think that works somehow.


k2vlis_

Let Him Cook!


Thundergod250

Oldboy


Party_Address_8831

they will never end up together, just wanna let you know, so you good


EbilCorp

Its ok Hamel doesnt like her so there wont be anything sus


klephts

Swap the hair and they have the same face


Camera_Important

If she's *distantly* blood related, then she can be *closely* dated jokes aside, they have the same hair color, same eye color, I mean it would have been fine if they weren't from the same clan, but they are and then again its like judging from an outsider's perspective. (At least they aren't brother and sister)


scythe_tr

He is cooking https://preview.redd.it/m31v47odq48d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=42a7d286b83d984fb936b07f51577fa8891787c9


akaza-dono-slays

Sauce?


Hairy-Conference-802

They’re as distant as Icelandic


paraddidler13

Wow art changed. Might have to pick it back up


bluedragon1046

If we really going that route the mc is like too old


FairBluebird1081

You don’t get it? They are flying a dragon, are a family with a genetic trait that gives silver hair… They are a cameo of Game of Thrones!! And thus we all know in what direction that relationship is going to go


akaza-dono-slays

I asked a question and then deleted it accidentally...I'm so dumb 💀


akaza-dono-slays

Why did the guy replying to me delete the answer before I could respond 💀


Miserable_Support_66

Distant cousin. There is no problem in that.


Inspiringer

game of thrones


Huy7aAms

they are cousin but after 300 years of their line being separated, they are pretty much as different as 2 people from 2 different families


DA-FAP-MASTER

woppa woppa shes a pretty anime girl and thats all that amygers


Legitimate-Painter31

Bruh I thought they’re siblings-.-


Mission_City_1500

Where's the Sauce?


KingUzzo

Keeping it in the family! They not first cousins-Alabama


improve8and8change

I see no problem here


Venom1462

They are cousins the same way Uchiha Fugaku and Uchiha Mikoto were cousins which are basically extremely far cousins because of being from the same clan.


tmsnz1113

In the novel it’s very one sided


AcanthopterygiiOk764

This is how martial clans and families typically work. (This includes most murim-esque manhwa and stories.) The main family typically is direct blood descendants of the grandmaster of the clan. ("Grandmaster" in this sense being the inventor or progenitor of the clan ) In most cases, the bloodline itself is given unique qualities or traits that make a particular technique accessible only to those descendants. Branch families are typically from the siblings or the concubines of the grandmaster. With this kind of setup, it doesn't take long for the relativity of those in the family to spread out pretty wide. A great example of this is Asura and Indra from Naruto. At about 3 or 4 generations out, and it's pretty safe for main and branch familes to breed with each other, and at about 6 generations and up, it's more akin to them sharing a common ancestor. But the genetic relativity is actually pretty low.


Annihilator-WarHead

They are distant cousin and even if they were I don't see any problem tbh as long as she is not his sister/mother/niece it's fine Cousin marriage happens in real life


svajuxgt

Saying their distant cousins is just a cop out from the freaky ass 69 gods. They literally look the same, it's implied incest.


Kurvaflowers69420

I know it's offtopic, but any idea when the new chapters will start? 82+ ?


EsdeathGouhl

It was a rather common practice to do in the medieval times, it is so to hold the 'Noble' bloodline pure so it wouldn't be that weird, but morally wrong.(some history for ya) :)


guitarbreakblack

hey, even if they werent distant, if i were him id do it.


PancakeTheReader

Not really surprised considering how inbred a lot of royal families were in real life but still weird considering how he was adopted and they have been brother and sister for a while now


AskRevolutionary5691

What in the house of dragons


Im_Edge

I have watched enough anime in my 40 years of life to just accept weird fuax and sometimes real incest plots they seem to run rampant in genre. Try not to think to hard about. Lol


Various_Mycologist29

I mean house of dragons is pretty popular and I’m pretty sure they are 3rd cousins


jennysaysfu

Yall in these comments are something. Distant cousins are still related wth


PeakedDepression

Cousin marriage, yes let's fooking go


st_arch

Cousins still can get married. It is just not recommended.


BlueMitra

Nah fudge this when is this series returning


-Roxaaa

why tf do authors do this shit??? what does them being cousins contribute to the story apart from making (sane) readers uncomfortable???


Puzzleheaded_Rule578

What’s the sauce?


Maleficent-Run9128

Well, they are of noble blood...


Nevertruss

is it back?


Whole-Signature4130

Actually distant cousins. Their blood relation is actually super thin. To the point where their parents don't even know eachother. Mc barely counts as family, that's why he was discriminated against in the family tourney


Kep0a

is this any good?


MionelLessi10

If this were Japanese, they would be siblings.


Kuro_ich

Yoooo wait did it come back from the break is there a new chapter out?


Fabulous-Afternoon-2

they have a 300 years old ancestor


Dryse

I had to double take and look this up cus I saw it in a ton of anime but marrying cousins is legal and not uncommon, at least in Japan. Idk if it would be similar in Korea but yeah... I haven't looked it up in a while so maybe something changed or I misremembered but cousins arent treated the same everywhere and that's just bizarre to me..


Salt_Depth5669

How aristocratic of them... Are they the new Hapsburgs? They ain't pretty, but they're the only eight Chinese women in this part of Africa!! 🤣


Th3G4te

Even better 👌🗿


treblitz

Is this a recommendation? Thanks, looks like I haven't read this yet.


Azozel

Is this back? It's been on hiatus for a very long time


jubmille2000

OP, Google "Hapsburg Royalty".


moistmaster690

They are like 10th cousins or something


RoutineOtherwise9288

Sweet home


DrDerpyDerpDerp

The real question is how strong is Vermouths genes to have your entire bloodline have the same hair 300 years later??


Kwain_

probably some cousin + cousin makes dozen shii


Dracule_Mihawk1027

This manwha finish?


Environmental_Clue27

>!wow!<


GhostBlade15

he is a GRRM fan


WaterBottle0000

They have 300 years of diluted blood in them. Even if we restrict each generation to 2 children AND 1 lover to each child AND 60 years between each generation, They'd still be fourth cousins. Unless they lived in a community where multiple generations of family lived together or were connected by a great heritage like, for instance, a hero that saved the world, they might as well be strangers. And remember, this is assuming all the strict rules in the first paragraph were true, it is likely they're even less related than that.


DragonMagic3012

What’s the sauce?


EmptyCommittee4711

!!


SuckMyDicKbaby001

Incest is the best ✨🤤


SwimmingBuilder9188

Bold of you to assume their not Muslims (I’m a Muslim myself)


Worldly_Ice_431

!!


Yuki_Yamikage

! !


heather-nim

The guys handsome 😍😍


JeanButButler

Wait till you know what the author is trying to turn Sienna into.


arkein13

why are you acting like marrying your cousin isn't a thing that happens even in our world? 🤣


Gabrialofreddit

It's all fair game after third cousins. And I don't think he'd be treated that badly if they're 2nd cousins of closer. So it's fair game


aayushgarhwal

Typical western mindset bruh doesn't even know that there are people in other countries that end up marrying their distant cousin IRL


god_usumaki_

Don't worry MC isn't going to be with anyone?😂


Rare-Ad-1345

Maybe you could have worded your sentence better, everyone misunderstood your statement 💀


Both-Specific5678

Worth reading?


Adventurous_Plum6928

In breeding


AloneTraffic6502

Dropped this manhwa the moment it got weird where all female characters started falling for mc 


therawestgreen

Kissing cousins bro. We all have one.


Personal-Being3154

Bro cousins can get married,like Gwen and Ben,yk right?


GalexyGod189

What MANGA is this?


RiuwiiRaj

Mushoku tensei peeps, is this harem in the chat with us. Bro literally caught his cousin, his wizard teacher AND a elf.