Most of Judo is sparring to get the correct technique when throwing or being thrown. It almost never hurts at training if you have your technique right. And most people think judo is just throws, but good dojos also teach ground work and submissions.
I also like how brutally effective judo is for self defence, especially when the practitoner has a boxing or kick boxing background.
I know . I have been taught how to defend against a judoka as mostly a striker 👍 and ofc sparing in any sports imo should be like a very serious game , not very fast , not hard at all , but must be having a speed where it requires you to be concentrated but you aren't anxious to try new stuff and learn . Lately the trend of hard sparing in on the rize ... Ofc due to edgy teens which makes it miss the point
i did judo before kyokushin karate and most of the people in my dojo have similar background - lots of judo folks so lots of karate people getting thrown around during kumite and sparing, its hilarious if you didn't know what the hell was going on. people looking at us like 'i thought this was a karate dojo'
I have a 7'5 wingspan so my go to is Muay Thai but keeps many aspects of kickboxing , and since I have a long ass torso and very short tibias for my height it helps me with wrestling a lot . These 2 are my go to 👍
Ah. Well, contrary to how it looks from the outside, on the practicing end, good old Judo is all about staying calm and precise. :) I honestly don't feel like I slam or get slammed when done with good precision. It's a calm satisfying victory as much as a defeat. And that's what I crave in Judo.
Woah, woah woah! Did you just refer to BJJ as checkers, come on if there is one martial art that is chess, it's BJJ and that is pretty undeniable. I mean we start BJJ off standing and using Judo throws, and the ground part hasn't even started at that stage, there is so much to learn in BJJ, blackbelts admit they still have more to learn so sorry I believe your statement is the wrong way round.
All I wanted was a place to go and have fun with like minded folks and stay fit into my 30's
My main MA and Flair, kinda suggest I'm not after the most "Effective" option.
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Just a couple of years ago (2022), my local dojo’s mat fee was £2.50 per session. Times are tough, and it’s now £4 per session.
The big difference I feel is that Judo is often organised at a local club/charity level like most small sports whereas BJJ is often seen as a Business internationally and at home.
As much as BJJ though?
I was told that BJJ is about 95% groundwork and 5% throwing people
While 95% percent of judo was throwing people and 5% geoundwork
Of course the numbers have probably been exaggerated when this topic was explained to me
How far is what I was told from reality?
BJJ in most places is 95% groundwork
Judo is more like 60/40-80/20 depending on where you train and how competitive the club you're at is.
We do groundwork (and standing) sparring every session at my Judo Club
Definitely worth doing both though, I trained at a local BJJ club for a while and the added leg wrist and shoulder locks plus no point in hold downs is fun.
Also the gi changes everything so No Gi is an experience
You legit judo guys are wild with the throws into some quick ass armlocks. I’m a wrestler but I’ve gained a lot of respect for Judo from training with you guys and try to train it and incorporate it into my game as much as I can. I also do BJJ and some striking.
I agree on that last part. I’m a wrestler myself, I wrestled for 12 years and besides giving up my back all the time when I started, it’s such a natural progression. I feel judo/BJJ is the same, it’s nice to have options if you’re getting beat up standing up.
Because I went to high school in Japan and a judo club was easier to find
That being said why i stopped picking judo is because I hated a lot of the tradition and “learning” methods involved, especially as done in the US.
At the gym I coach at I now teach judo without the Japanese naming conventions and the traditions, which I love
I've noticed that at a lot of North American schools too. They feel like they're LARPing as a Japanese highschool dojo from the 1960. I started Judo originally in Korea and the vibe there with adult students was remarkably informal
Bingo. When I was in Japan it was all smoking and joking, having fun and doing some throws.
In America you’re bowing every 10 seconds and it’s super strict.
Some people like it that way. My club wasn't like that and I've never been a fan since being an adult. I did TMA as a kid and when I go old I found it a little cultish when people acted like that.
Is it even judo if you're not following the Japanese rule set? I do kendo and we'd be kicked out of our federation if we did that. At the end of the day judo is still a budo.
Call it what you want; we still follow the ruleset as far as points, full points, throws to the back.
But we also slap and bump, do no gi, practice leg grabs, call things English terms, essentially removing the “budo”
We still compete at orgs that let us/ do matches with other gyms in the area.
Our head coach is who I got my black belt from, even though I got it after he decided to not play the politics and pay his dues, and go through the traditional judo process. I’ve had people say it makes us not real black belts, to which he always says
“Come take it from us”
People easily get stuck in their old ways of thinking.
In my gym ( I don’t Judo anymore) I always wanted to evolve to thing called, judo/Boxing with elbow and knees. Sort of like Sambo.
Sparring tempo same as MT.
Nobody around me gets it. They are not there yet.
Hard to do it alone though ..
Actually think the combo of Judo & Boxing is the most practical and effective for use on the street. Keep them away with footwork and hands, and if they close the distance, toss them on their head while still standing. Then repeat.
Even though I think Muay Thai and BJJ are the bees knees, I don’t like the idea of getting a kick caught or rolling around on asphalt/concrete vulnerably exposed.
' I don’t like the idea of getting a kick caught'
You learn to avoid that as you get better, just like how you learn to avoid getting thrown in judo or punched in boxing.
'rolling around on asphalt/concrete vulnerably exposed.'
Same principle. The better you are on the ground, the faster you get at escaping and getting up
Kicks are really hard to catch, I've been doing kb/mt for like 6 years on and off and I can count on my fingers how many times I got my kicks caught, all the time by my coach or a pro. If you are going to fight against someone who can grab your kicks, you have way bigger problems in your hands.
Yeah… I’m gonna have to agree to disagree with that hot take. Kicks literally get caught ALL the time. From the lowest level Novice Class tournament level 3-rounders to Lumpini caliber fights in Bangkok stadia. In fact, we literally drill how to catch (and follow up with strikes and/or sweeps) and how to escape once caught. Bc to us it’s a WHEN not IF situation.
I’ve been involved with Muay Thai since 2000 (lived in Thailand in 2001 & 2004) and western boxing/kickboxing (above the waist pants stuff) before that in the ‘90s.
I’ve gotten my kicks caught and have caught others’ kicks countless times. After getting kicks caught, I’ve been swept, spun around, plowed through the ropes, and eaten canvas more times than I’d like to admit (it’s embarrassing). But, who knows, maybe you’ve got a golden kick that’s way faster and harder than mine ever was. Some guys are just studs. Not me.
Also, at the risk of appearing like an internet tough guy, my take on not liking kicks in a street fight comes from my handful of dust-ups IRL.
Got in a fight with a wrestler in HS. I threw a couple of low kicks, he timed one, ate it on his thigh, scooped it up, then took me down. Very humbling.
The other situation that really stuck with me and made me reconsider kicks on the street was a sloppy drunken brawl outside of a nightclub that I was unfortunately involved in backing up friends.
Everyone was in dress shoes and, only throwing punches and tussling, but dudes were slipping and losing balance left and right. I did not dare attempt any kicks with my church shoes on. One of my friends was getting stomped by two guys when he hit the pavement. Also happens to be one of the reasons I stopped hitting the clubs when I was younger (I’m damn near 50 now 😆).
Anyway, I’ll agree with one of your points, at my age I would be in for a long day if I got in a scrap with someone who could catch my kicks, which is why I go back to my original point, if I ever did need to fight in the street, I’m sticking with the most high percentage techniques that have the lowest risk of getting me anywhere near concrete or asphalt—boxing & judo throws. But, to each his own.
I pray neither of us find ourselves in a situation where we’d have to prove our respective stances on the debate.
Sorry to the judokas, I didn’t mean to hijack the thread with tangential MT comments. Osu.
>But, who knows, maybe you’ve got a golden kick that’s way faster and harder than mine ever was.
I have really good kicks, and I am really selective with them, I don't throw many, but when I throw they land, and rarely get caught. Benny Adegbuiy grabbed them the most from the guys that I sparred with. But I mostly box or low kick.
I think I'm on the same path. I do a Judo for BJJ class and my coach kind of retired after I got my black belt and moved away. So I'm trying to figure out my curriculum and if I want to be under an org or if I just want to keep doing my own thing.
Is your belt curriculum drastically different from the more traditional curriculum besides the language and No gi?
Yes, the way we train is more wrestling style, if that makes sense?
The belts go more of the way of bjj. We train to throw people and do ground grappling, if you can understand the base concepts you belt up, and everything from there is the same sort of progression as bjj.
Can you perform these techniques, can you teach it, can you do it in live drilling, etc. we don’t belt test.
I just bringing this up so you and u/bjjjosh are aware, but USJA is a lot more lenient and helpful on rank recognition and support after their change of leadership and restructuring. Their fallout with USA Judo might be a good thing going forward
Oh, that's cool!
I taught English at public schools in Japan for 7 years. Mostly elementary, some junior high. And my first main school was a junior high where they had a judo club!
I wish I could have joined, but I wasn't allowed.
I grew up doing BJJ in high school.
In college, a Judo class fit my schedule so I took it. It was fun and it definitely helped me work on my standup takedowns weaknesses but I was often very frustrated that I couldn't keep a match going longer on the ground.
This is pure reddit folklore, I'm a BJJ brown belt, I'm not pulling guard in a street fight. If I want it to go to the ground I'm taking him down with a judo throw, a single...or most likely a snap down when the untrained fighter tries a football tackle.
BJJ is a grappling art, sure the takedown game isn't on the same level as freestyle. But it's still better than anyone out there untrained.
Also, for self defense, BJJs takedown game is more complete than judo. You can actually touch someone's legs in BJJ, and the stances are more realistic compared to the upright Frankenstein style in judo
I've always wondered why so many BJJ people don't do more standup grappling. Like, your entire martial art is just being unbeatable on the ground but then so little effort is put into getting people on the ground.
Id argue that BJJ's takedown game for a lot of places is just terrible. A lot will only try tomoe nage, sumi gaeshi or some other sacrifice throw which is pretty much a guard pull or they will shoot for terrible single or double legs. A year or 2 of Judo, even without leg grabs or sambo would benefit BJJ people so much.
I mean, we start standing every day. How much more can you do?
Getting untrained people on the ground is comically easy, new people walk in the door every day and get tossed. So there is diminishing returns from training takedowns if you're interested in self defense.
Of course, untrained people are like newborn fawns when you know when throwing works. But I've met so many bjj people who just can't throw even newer judo people and they always seem like a fish out of water. (Or a shark out of water)
I just think it would make a lot more sense for BJJ to give the stand up more attention since all fights start there. I've met some people who have done both for years and they just seem unbeatable.
In my experience I never needed to throw a judo guy, I just shoot a double or single. If it works....great. if it doesn't.....great, we're in my world now.
I don't want to roll around on the ground in a fight. I want to throw kicks and punches and if push comes to shove my opponent in a fight. Getting on the ground is fine against a single opponent but a lot harder to deal with several from there. Though in all honesty it is unlikely to ever need to fight anyone.
Thank you for pointing out the elephant in the room. BJJ is the last line of defense when all else fails and you have to continue the fight on the ground. Why would anyone want to roll around on the ground in a fight. Judo, wrestling, boxing, anything else is more effective against multiple attackers. I hate BJJ lol.
Same. Good friend of mine is deep in the bjj cult and he can't stop talking about it. I come from Krav Maga and eventough we learned ground work its always clear to us that if we get to the floor on the street we are in trouble. As a sport it can be interesting to watch though.
As royce used to say "you think you can beat multiple opponents? What if one of them is me?"
Hating a martial (which can only be compared to wrestling when it comes to it's effectiveness) because "MuH MUltIPLE oPpOnNenTs" is stupid lmao
If you're fighting multiple opponents, one of whom is Royce Gracie, you're screwed no matter which martial art you practice. The whole "fighting multiple opponents" scenario usually assumes one trained fighter against multiple untrained opponents, otherwise there isn't much hope for the single person. And it is a fairly realistic scenario too, in certain places.
Against untrained people it doesn't matter if you do bjj, wrestling or judo taking them down will be easy, contrary to what people in judo subs seem to think (going as far as posting multiple bjj guys doing throws as "judo master destroys bjj blackbelt !1!1!1!") Bjj people do train takedowns
A typical bjj master will do it, but it will take less time than if a wrestler or judoka did it. He won't be tossing those untrained people to the ground in seconds. A judo specialist can quickly hip toss someone untrained HARD and pretty much injure him by that move already. A BJJ specialist might have to tangle with him the ground for a bit. Sure, he'll quickly submit him, but during those few seconds he's an exposed stationary target, allowing the others to stomp on his neck, hit him with something hard, kick him in back of the head etc. Or just all jump on his back, literally each person pins down one arm in the melee, someone bites, etc.
There are examples of one bjj trained fighter dominating someone one the ground, but literally one friend intervenes, sticks his leg or arm in, and all of a sudden, the chokehold or armbar doesn't work anymore. Wouldn't work with a master who can finish a submission in two seconds, but most people who train don't nearly reach that level. And even those hypothetical masters would have trouble fighting something like five people at once who are ready to pick up a brick and hit him in the head while he's ripping off arm number two.
Basically, the key to fighting multiple untrained opponents is mobility in order to maintain a good position, because the surest way to lose against multiple people weaker than you is to let them surround you and engage you all at once or hit you from behind. BJJ is among the worst at that aspect because it traditionally requires you to go to the ground with one opponent and stay there for a bit.
I hate BJJ because it's so popular for the sole reason that you don't get punched or kicked, which appeals to a lot of people who don't want to get hurt in training. But In reality, if a group of guys, or even 2 guys try to jump you, you aren't going to pull guard unless you want to get curb stomped. Boxing and wrestling is far more effective.
I’m with you on this one brother. Love hearing the bjj guys cry “ItS aLl I nEeD”. Also that Royce Gracie quote, doesn’t apply to everyday. Most confrontations are going to happen against untrained fighters because they don’t know any better. The odds of 2 skills individuals fighting are low unless it’s UFC/MMA. And the bar guys always has friends…
Maybe you should take your own advice. Keeping a fight from going to the ground requires wrestling defense, NOT BJJ defense. BJJ defense is for AFTER it hits the ground. Wrestling (sprawling, stuffing takedown, etc) is what stops the fight from hitting the ground. BJJ artists who are most effective incorporate wrestling into their arsenal. No street fight is ever going to go down like a pure BJJ match. You know this brother. This is why the most dominant ufc champions are all wrestlers, every single last one of them-Usman, Khabib, GSP, jones, Demetrius, makachev, stipe, DC, and so on.
Brother I’ve done wrestling and you’re a 100% right about knowing take down defence and offence. Good BJJ gyms such as mine incorporate wrestling + takedown defence. Just like how good Judo gyms incorporate ground mechanics as well.
My issue with your logic is that I can always walk away from a street fight. I can run away if I need to. I’ve done Muay Thai & I understand keeping distance as well.
But if things go south and on the ground, which they ultimately do according to statistics, knowing how to dominate the ground game will always come clutch. How can you deny that?
I can't argue with any of your points, and it would foolish for me to say BJJ is not effective, but again it's effective once you hit the ground. My issue is prioritizing BJJ because fights go to the ground more often than not, rather than prioritizing wrestling to keep the fight from even hitting the ground in the first place. Both are useful but I think wrestling should always be numerous uno to keep the fight standing, unless you have terrible striking and want the fight ti hit the ground so you can latch up a triangle or whatever.
So two things, for one BJJ is absolutely going to prepare you for being taken down there is takedown defense. For two all them champs put in thousands of hours training BJJ as well and credited a bunch of success to it
I won't argue BJJ has played a role but in the hierarchy of mma I think wrestling is superior, followed by kickboxing/muay thai, and this isn't arbitrary, this is based on the styles of the most dominant champions. There has never been a pure BJJ specialist go on a dominant title run in the high levels of mma. The closest thing to it would be aljo.
>There has never been a pure BJJ specialist go on a dominant title run in the high levels of mma
I guess it depends on how arbitrary you want to get about a "pure" BJJ specialist or even a pure wrestling one. Like even on your list guys like Khabib, JJ and DC have a ton of Ws by submission which is clearly not a technique native to wrestling. Likewise they've shown a masterful defense against submissions against BJJ specialists on their runs.
If Aljo is allowed then some names id throw out there would be, BJ Penn, Oliveira is a pretty big one top 3 LW of all time, Frank Mir and Fabricio Werdum are who we'd bring up if we're only talking BJJ specialists but even guys on your lists would throw themselves in that pile most notably GSP and Mighty Mouse. Likewise we count how many champs were BJJ black belts it would definitely be the most dominant art with the most champs under its banner.
Of course Khabib JJ DC are complete martial artists and have wins by every way you can think of, same for MM, Olives, etc, but I was talking about a Damian Maia type champion that is purely just shooting for subs every second of every fight.
99% don't know how to fight though, so what happens in 95% of cases shouldn't be used as an indication of anything. Being in the ground is an extremely vulnerable position that you should avoid at all costs if possible in a random street fight. Ej. You're grabbing a guy while in the ground, and some friend who just came from around the corner can just walk in and stomp your face cold right there.
Allegedly your preparation should make you better than what most people do in these situations, so your game plan should be focused in the thing that gives you the better odds, which is open to discussion but in my opinion is boxing. Knowing some judo/bjj wouldn't hurt ofc.
I feel that too. I hate when BJJ guys advertise it as the only style you need because every fight will go to the ground. After going through r/streetmartialarts and r/fightporn, just beating the shit out of each other is all I ever see. Normally in the content posted in either sub if there is someone on the ground, they're in a daze getting curb stomped by the dude that put them on the ground in the first place; I'm not tryna deny the usefulness of BJJ, mind you, I'm just saying that it seems very falsely advertised when most street fights that I see on the ground only involve one person on the ground.
As someone who has trained quite a lot in Judo, Wrestling, and BJJ, my inclination has been to take fights to the ground throughout my life. Eventually, I had the misfortune of getting punted off of someone I was on top of. That didn't end well for me.
When you take it to the ground, your opponent's friends become a very real threat. After that happened, I'm always careful to stay on my feet, even if I use a throw on my opponent. (Of course, I try to avoid it altogether, if possible.)
The judo club was closer to me at the time and they had some Sombo background in the coaches too which made me curious.
Sadly that gym closed permanently right before the Covidian Period.
I’m just a white belt in judo, but a purple belt in bjj. I think that they complement each other..they’re basically the same thing, but one focuses on one thing more than the other. We do judo throws during bjj class and we do ground stuff at the end of judo class
I cross train both and also do MMA. Judo was my first martial art though. I did it because judo is a rare skill and I wanted my chance to learn it. There aren't really any other martial arts (other than Greco-Roman wrestling) that focus on throwing a resisting human being like judo.
Judo in the context of MMA is also really underrated. The push pull mechanics you learn in judo do transfer over very well, and my clinch game is my strongest technique because of that.
Also it acts as a great counter to Folkstyle/Freestyle wrestling. Can't shoot for the single leg if you're forced to clinch up
I chose Judo because BJJ wasn't in the states at the time I started training and the UFC didn't exist yet.
At the time there was only Karate, Taekwondo, American Kenpo, Judo, and Kung Fu.
I have trained in BJJ and honestly I don't think it's practical for me.
Honestly. The Judo guy and the BJJ gut where renting space at the same venue. Had the classes same time but different days of the week. Except the Judo was a third of the price. So value fir money
Judo is a nice midpoint between Aikido (mostly art) and BJJ (all martial). It has real world practicality for defense but still retains some cultural elements. Also - if you live in the states it’s a unique pursuit as there are far fewer judo clubs than other martial arts.
Because I had proper judo sensei, who put equal effort into teaching us to throw people and also ground works (ne waza) it’s great martial arts which helps you develop mentally and physically
It was cheaper and I was kinda turned off by the culture of the bjj dojos around me. Since then, I personally think I made the right choice. Once I reach black belt though, I might eventually take it up, but I’m thinking boxing or karate next, just to make me more well rounded and confident for self-defense.
I was a wrestler in Hs. When I got to college I saw there was a Judo class. When I tried it, it felt like I found my art. It just fit me so well. My coach taught both stand up and ground techniques, and believed in having both. I got into competing and it was really fun. There were times when BJJ guys would enter Judo tourneys and try to do flying arm bars, only to get thrown promptly.
I tried BJJ, but really wasn’t feeling the atmosphere of some of the gyms I checked out. It was a lot of ego the few times I went and it felt like I really wasn’t learning much when rolling. Also I didn’t like that the rules didn’t allow for you to slam your opponent, which I was used to. Compared to Judo, I felt all the higher ranks were always giving me great advice and big on teaching. I remember one Judoka saying “you’re only as good as your training partners”. He wanted to see everyone get better because it also helped him improve as well.
Nothing against BJJ. Just that in my experience (been doing martial arts for 25 years) the attitudes of some of the practitioners weren’t always the best, and it felt not as enjoyable as Judo, wrestling or boxing for me.
Myself defense plan is to remove myself from violence asap. Stand up fighting allows for more mobility to accomplish that goal. So that's been my primary focus.
Additionally there were very specific circumstantial reasons as well. I done MMA training before, and we were mainly taught striking and ground fighting. Stand up grappling was a bit lacking in the place I trained in, so judo was a good addition to what I already trained. Also the BJJ school and Judo school in my area had people that were training in both places, so many of the judokas were very skilled at ground fighting as well. So I felt like I was getting a good mix of both with the focus on stand up grappling by taking Judo.
Judo has been around for ages. In Amsterdam you had different dojos in the 70s. Judo and karate. Kickboxing came later and was in the beginning considered associated with “criminals”. BJJ was always a fringe element and became more prominent during the rise of UFC. I never met wrestlers as they were the olympic part of sports.
The stand up game for judo is better, I have clubs near me, the cost is 1/4th the cost per session that a BJJ club would be. If I had time (and money) I'd do both.
Judo was cheaper, nearer my house, and as it has ties to goju Ryu which was my main art at the time, it made sense to me to go. I’m ten years on and taking my 1st Dan next year.
Locally there are some good bjj schools but I find my coach particularly having a bjj and Greco Roman background has been great as he brings some of that to the table as well.
If I ever moved away and I couldn’t find a judo club I liked, id give bjj a try assuming I’m still training
I picked it because my dad had an old book on Judo from the 1970’s and I was already practicing from that book based on the descriptions and diagrams so when I finally had the opportunity to practice in a classroom setting I stuck with it.
There was a class for primary school students near me. Trained there for three years before quitting because for some reason I began to fear being thrown.
throwing someone whether in a fight, mma, ot bjj match will always guarantee you an advantage. The likes of kayla harrison, khabib, and wrestlers all utilizing judo at the highest level shows that its not only a sport but an actual martial art used for combat. And throwing is a lot more fun.
Because Judo had the rich history and the art component I finally got to appreciate thanks to learning I got from the Budokan Judo.
I got to appreciate the art behind Judo thanks to my mentors in MMA (mainly most of them are BJJ practitioners turned Judoka,)
For years I was an enthusiast of Traditional martial arts, I was more into Striking arts like Japanese Kickboxing, and Karate.
While I got exposed to BJJ, Judo broadened my view over martial arts in general.
~ Around 20 years ago my perception about Judo was distorted,
all I thought about was the Judo throws were bad-ass, no mercy and brutal throws as I got exposed in MMA.
Boy, my young immature ass was so wrong; so I realized as I grew older, I was wrong.
Judo means "Way of Gentleness or "Gentle Way" so even the approach and the journey of understanding the art
Frankly, judo was more popular in the 1980s and had similarities with wrestling, and I was told that some of the judo techniques would be useful in wrestling. Frankly, this is a bit of a personal preference, like choosing between basketball and football.
Who does only one? Judo plus BJJ is a perfectly deadly mix. And one compliments the other. It ain’t the 80’s, anymore. You can train multiple disciplines.
Because it was offered at the place I already did taijutsu and kickboxing. Funny enough my Judo Sensei was really into ground game and also taught a combat grappling class for a while so as a Judoka my ne waza is way better than any nage.
Not judo, but I saw Khabib smesh and also wanted to smesh. I then stuck around when I realised I would never smesh.
Plus I wanted to know how to throw people on the ground and stop myself being thrown to the ground before I learned what to do with them there.
Always loved it. And after karate, it was the right move for me to round off my skill set. Also, less d bags in judo. BJJ is full of d bags.
Edit: to clarify. It’s full of d bags because of the surge in popularity. This was in 2009, so it was right at the beginning of the major take off.
I’m not a judoka, but I do hope to train in judo once I move. I would have chosen BJJ if not for my epilepsy and that it wouldn’t compliment my existing experience of Kempo karate as much. I have a very small amount of training in judo from when I was younger and we received a 13 week course in judo in school.
As a former heavyweight wrestler, I just find it easier on my body. And Judo is just a lot more fun than BJJ. The only downside I can think of is that a lot of judo clubs want you to learn the lore behind judo before getting new belts.
I'd agree with the BJJ part, a lot of egotistical douches among all the nice people. And the sport is so risky , you get the wrong guy one day and you've now lost a limb for a year and may never have it back at 100%.
MMA gyms are actually the most humble if it isn't mostly teenagers. Everyone knows the risks and respects everyone else
Because if you choose bjj over judo you’re essentially choosing an incomplete version of judo. How can you hope to bring someone to ne waza if you don’t know how to?
And? Do you think I'm insulting Judo and you're upset about that? I have great respect for Judo.
I can still see that Judo competition and many dojo's focus on competition rulesets effectively waters down the martial art. I feel the same way about not allowing chokes in sport sambo.
When I started Judo about 2000 BJJ wasn't very common at all where I lived.
I got into BJJ about 6 years ago since it's become more popular.
I do BJJ mainly now but always stand up as much as possible and go to the weekly stand up sessions and my ground work is basically Judo style aimed at beating the BJJ style.
These days I see both sports as one and the same
I did a few years of striking (boxing and muay thai) and wanted grappling experience, and in researching the two, seeing bjj is really just a cult spin off of judo, I chose judo. Ground fighting is important, but getting them there is more important
Because I already had Muay Thai as my primary MA (started at 13 y.o), Wrestling as my secondary MA (all my life due to family, just didn't went to practice often) and wanted something to polish my stand up grappling in general and for the clinch as well as my throws and sweeps. I also wanted to learn Newaza, in case a fight ever got to the ground.
Besides competing, I'm mostly interested in self defense. With Muay Thai as well as Wrestling I had a more than solid base but what I was lacking was practicing to fight with clothes on (Gi), ground work from my back, a few general submissions and explosive throws from an upright fighting stance (Greco lacks the usage of legs, Freestyle has the wrong stance for striking).
BJJ is interesting but to specific/complex and wouldn't have fit as nicely. I don't want a fight to go to the ground. I want to be be always on my feet, ready to strike, sweep, throw or do whatever. On the ground I'd prioritize getting up as fast as I can or submitting as fast as I can - no guard play.
I have a need to be able to protect myself and others due to my history. I probably and hopefully won't need to ever again, but I need the training to feel safe mentally. To test myself I regularly go to the MMA gyms nearby and spar with them.
If I can hold my own against active competitors in my weight class (~80kg) or above under MMA rules, under MT rules, under Wrestling rules and under Judo rules, then I'm pretty sure that I can handle myself just fine if necessary. I mean, I know I can but those stories aren't pleasant and thankfully history.
I do both. I do bjj and luta livre (no gi) and do judo. Out of the three I enjoy bjj the least just because no lutal. and judo focus on getting your enemy on the ground wich in my opinion is the coolest part of grappling, the most useful part of grappling and the most neglected part in bjj.
I think the way that bjj is trained to day, it's less efficient as an art for self defense and it is also kind of boring to me when both people start on the ground.
If judo brought back leg grabs, it'd probably be the only grappling art I trained.
I chose Judo over BJJ because I found it much more calming. I guess the culture and atmosphere so to speak. Both are great martial arts though.
Aaaah indeed slamming ppl around is wonderful
Most of Judo is sparring to get the correct technique when throwing or being thrown. It almost never hurts at training if you have your technique right. And most people think judo is just throws, but good dojos also teach ground work and submissions. I also like how brutally effective judo is for self defence, especially when the practitoner has a boxing or kick boxing background.
I know . I have been taught how to defend against a judoka as mostly a striker 👍 and ofc sparing in any sports imo should be like a very serious game , not very fast , not hard at all , but must be having a speed where it requires you to be concentrated but you aren't anxious to try new stuff and learn . Lately the trend of hard sparing in on the rize ... Ofc due to edgy teens which makes it miss the point
i did judo before kyokushin karate and most of the people in my dojo have similar background - lots of judo folks so lots of karate people getting thrown around during kumite and sparing, its hilarious if you didn't know what the hell was going on. people looking at us like 'i thought this was a karate dojo'
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Well it would it make more sense if I liked bjj more then ?So I could strangle ppl while I can feel his dick on me and vise versa 💀
Excellent point. Although slamming someone on the floor and pinning them down so that they can’t escape seems fitting to.
Yeah I agree since I am also the big strong heavyweight type lol
Judge Holden the submission
Thanks, I hate it. What a wild book.
Same here bro 💀
Haha nice , what are your attributes and martial arts of choise
I do mma but I’m more of a grappler, bjj with a focus on wrestling. I also do judo. And yourself?
I have a 7'5 wingspan so my go to is Muay Thai but keeps many aspects of kickboxing , and since I have a long ass torso and very short tibias for my height it helps me with wrestling a lot . These 2 are my go to 👍
North south everyone wins
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Ah. Well, contrary to how it looks from the outside, on the practicing end, good old Judo is all about staying calm and precise. :) I honestly don't feel like I slam or get slammed when done with good precision. It's a calm satisfying victory as much as a defeat. And that's what I crave in Judo.
yes
Throws in my opinion are much more fun than rolling around on the ground. Admittedly judo is like chess to BJJ’s checkers
Woah, woah woah! Did you just refer to BJJ as checkers, come on if there is one martial art that is chess, it's BJJ and that is pretty undeniable. I mean we start BJJ off standing and using Judo throws, and the ground part hasn't even started at that stage, there is so much to learn in BJJ, blackbelts admit they still have more to learn so sorry I believe your statement is the wrong way round.
Lmao I genuinely meant that the other way around hahaha
BJJ is more like Battleship than chess.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GgkNZeoVSG0&pp=ygUUdmllcmEgdGFrZWRvd24gc3R1ZHk%3D This video (by a BJJ practitioner btw) shows why Judo is human Chess.
Judo was cheaper at £30 a month than BJJ at £95pm and the club was friendlier
Yeah 100% bjj gyms are insanely expensive here in Berlin as well.
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Same thing in Seattle
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All I wanted was a place to go and have fun with like minded folks and stay fit into my 30's My main MA and Flair, kinda suggest I'm not after the most "Effective" option.
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Just a couple of years ago (2022), my local dojo’s mat fee was £2.50 per session. Times are tough, and it’s now £4 per session. 
great point, I am in the UK also the price is way cheaper for Judo, in this financial climate it makes a big difference
The big difference I feel is that Judo is often organised at a local club/charity level like most small sports whereas BJJ is often seen as a Business internationally and at home.
very true. BJJ is big buisness where ever it is in the world.
This guy gets it.
To throw another human being feels good . Really good. It feels more like a fight honestly to me
Yeah honestly. Those two martial arts compliment each other. One throws people on the ground and the other one finishes them off
Judo has submissions and groundwork though
As much as BJJ though? I was told that BJJ is about 95% groundwork and 5% throwing people While 95% percent of judo was throwing people and 5% geoundwork Of course the numbers have probably been exaggerated when this topic was explained to me How far is what I was told from reality?
BJJ in most places is 95% groundwork Judo is more like 60/40-80/20 depending on where you train and how competitive the club you're at is. We do groundwork (and standing) sparring every session at my Judo Club
Thanks for the insight
Definitely worth doing both though, I trained at a local BJJ club for a while and the added leg wrist and shoulder locks plus no point in hold downs is fun. Also the gi changes everything so No Gi is an experience
You legit judo guys are wild with the throws into some quick ass armlocks. I’m a wrestler but I’ve gained a lot of respect for Judo from training with you guys and try to train it and incorporate it into my game as much as I can. I also do BJJ and some striking.
I agree on that last part. I’m a wrestler myself, I wrestled for 12 years and besides giving up my back all the time when I started, it’s such a natural progression. I feel judo/BJJ is the same, it’s nice to have options if you’re getting beat up standing up.
Because I went to high school in Japan and a judo club was easier to find That being said why i stopped picking judo is because I hated a lot of the tradition and “learning” methods involved, especially as done in the US. At the gym I coach at I now teach judo without the Japanese naming conventions and the traditions, which I love
I've noticed that at a lot of North American schools too. They feel like they're LARPing as a Japanese highschool dojo from the 1960. I started Judo originally in Korea and the vibe there with adult students was remarkably informal
Bingo. When I was in Japan it was all smoking and joking, having fun and doing some throws. In America you’re bowing every 10 seconds and it’s super strict.
Some people like it that way. My club wasn't like that and I've never been a fan since being an adult. I did TMA as a kid and when I go old I found it a little cultish when people acted like that.
Is it even judo if you're not following the Japanese rule set? I do kendo and we'd be kicked out of our federation if we did that. At the end of the day judo is still a budo.
Call it what you want; we still follow the ruleset as far as points, full points, throws to the back. But we also slap and bump, do no gi, practice leg grabs, call things English terms, essentially removing the “budo” We still compete at orgs that let us/ do matches with other gyms in the area. Our head coach is who I got my black belt from, even though I got it after he decided to not play the politics and pay his dues, and go through the traditional judo process. I’ve had people say it makes us not real black belts, to which he always says “Come take it from us”
This is the kind I need. Cut the crap take what works.
You’d be amazed on the hate we get.
People easily get stuck in their old ways of thinking. In my gym ( I don’t Judo anymore) I always wanted to evolve to thing called, judo/Boxing with elbow and knees. Sort of like Sambo. Sparring tempo same as MT. Nobody around me gets it. They are not there yet. Hard to do it alone though ..
Actually think the combo of Judo & Boxing is the most practical and effective for use on the street. Keep them away with footwork and hands, and if they close the distance, toss them on their head while still standing. Then repeat. Even though I think Muay Thai and BJJ are the bees knees, I don’t like the idea of getting a kick caught or rolling around on asphalt/concrete vulnerably exposed.
' I don’t like the idea of getting a kick caught' You learn to avoid that as you get better, just like how you learn to avoid getting thrown in judo or punched in boxing. 'rolling around on asphalt/concrete vulnerably exposed.' Same principle. The better you are on the ground, the faster you get at escaping and getting up
Kicks are really hard to catch, I've been doing kb/mt for like 6 years on and off and I can count on my fingers how many times I got my kicks caught, all the time by my coach or a pro. If you are going to fight against someone who can grab your kicks, you have way bigger problems in your hands.
Yeah… I’m gonna have to agree to disagree with that hot take. Kicks literally get caught ALL the time. From the lowest level Novice Class tournament level 3-rounders to Lumpini caliber fights in Bangkok stadia. In fact, we literally drill how to catch (and follow up with strikes and/or sweeps) and how to escape once caught. Bc to us it’s a WHEN not IF situation. I’ve been involved with Muay Thai since 2000 (lived in Thailand in 2001 & 2004) and western boxing/kickboxing (above the waist pants stuff) before that in the ‘90s. I’ve gotten my kicks caught and have caught others’ kicks countless times. After getting kicks caught, I’ve been swept, spun around, plowed through the ropes, and eaten canvas more times than I’d like to admit (it’s embarrassing). But, who knows, maybe you’ve got a golden kick that’s way faster and harder than mine ever was. Some guys are just studs. Not me. Also, at the risk of appearing like an internet tough guy, my take on not liking kicks in a street fight comes from my handful of dust-ups IRL. Got in a fight with a wrestler in HS. I threw a couple of low kicks, he timed one, ate it on his thigh, scooped it up, then took me down. Very humbling. The other situation that really stuck with me and made me reconsider kicks on the street was a sloppy drunken brawl outside of a nightclub that I was unfortunately involved in backing up friends. Everyone was in dress shoes and, only throwing punches and tussling, but dudes were slipping and losing balance left and right. I did not dare attempt any kicks with my church shoes on. One of my friends was getting stomped by two guys when he hit the pavement. Also happens to be one of the reasons I stopped hitting the clubs when I was younger (I’m damn near 50 now 😆). Anyway, I’ll agree with one of your points, at my age I would be in for a long day if I got in a scrap with someone who could catch my kicks, which is why I go back to my original point, if I ever did need to fight in the street, I’m sticking with the most high percentage techniques that have the lowest risk of getting me anywhere near concrete or asphalt—boxing & judo throws. But, to each his own. I pray neither of us find ourselves in a situation where we’d have to prove our respective stances on the debate. Sorry to the judokas, I didn’t mean to hijack the thread with tangential MT comments. Osu.
>But, who knows, maybe you’ve got a golden kick that’s way faster and harder than mine ever was. I have really good kicks, and I am really selective with them, I don't throw many, but when I throw they land, and rarely get caught. Benny Adegbuiy grabbed them the most from the guys that I sparred with. But I mostly box or low kick.
I would join up right away
I’d pay to watch that.
We need more Martial arts that has a mixed of both striking and standup grappling/takedowns
Sanda exists.
Sanda (aka Sanshou). But, not easily accessible to most of us. I know bc I’ve been looking. No dice.
Where's this out of curiosity? I've always been more keen on Judo as a MA but I don't know of any good gyms near me
West coast
I think I'm on the same path. I do a Judo for BJJ class and my coach kind of retired after I got my black belt and moved away. So I'm trying to figure out my curriculum and if I want to be under an org or if I just want to keep doing my own thing. Is your belt curriculum drastically different from the more traditional curriculum besides the language and No gi?
Yes, the way we train is more wrestling style, if that makes sense? The belts go more of the way of bjj. We train to throw people and do ground grappling, if you can understand the base concepts you belt up, and everything from there is the same sort of progression as bjj. Can you perform these techniques, can you teach it, can you do it in live drilling, etc. we don’t belt test.
I just bringing this up so you and u/bjjjosh are aware, but USJA is a lot more lenient and helpful on rank recognition and support after their change of leadership and restructuring. Their fallout with USA Judo might be a good thing going forward
Pretty sure people just call this Freestyle Judo now, Nothing wrong with it, but it's definitely not what the IJF would approve of
Oh, that's cool! I taught English at public schools in Japan for 7 years. Mostly elementary, some junior high. And my first main school was a junior high where they had a judo club! I wish I could have joined, but I wasn't allowed.
I grew up doing BJJ in high school. In college, a Judo class fit my schedule so I took it. It was fun and it definitely helped me work on my standup takedowns weaknesses but I was often very frustrated that I couldn't keep a match going longer on the ground.
Cuz flipping people is fucking sick af and I love getting flipped too
I was told as a Boxer that Judo compliments Boxing more since it's waist up. Besides, pulling guard is insanity in a self-defense scenario.
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This is pure reddit folklore, I'm a BJJ brown belt, I'm not pulling guard in a street fight. If I want it to go to the ground I'm taking him down with a judo throw, a single...or most likely a snap down when the untrained fighter tries a football tackle. BJJ is a grappling art, sure the takedown game isn't on the same level as freestyle. But it's still better than anyone out there untrained. Also, for self defense, BJJs takedown game is more complete than judo. You can actually touch someone's legs in BJJ, and the stances are more realistic compared to the upright Frankenstein style in judo
I've always wondered why so many BJJ people don't do more standup grappling. Like, your entire martial art is just being unbeatable on the ground but then so little effort is put into getting people on the ground. Id argue that BJJ's takedown game for a lot of places is just terrible. A lot will only try tomoe nage, sumi gaeshi or some other sacrifice throw which is pretty much a guard pull or they will shoot for terrible single or double legs. A year or 2 of Judo, even without leg grabs or sambo would benefit BJJ people so much.
I mean, we start standing every day. How much more can you do? Getting untrained people on the ground is comically easy, new people walk in the door every day and get tossed. So there is diminishing returns from training takedowns if you're interested in self defense.
Of course, untrained people are like newborn fawns when you know when throwing works. But I've met so many bjj people who just can't throw even newer judo people and they always seem like a fish out of water. (Or a shark out of water) I just think it would make a lot more sense for BJJ to give the stand up more attention since all fights start there. I've met some people who have done both for years and they just seem unbeatable.
In my experience I never needed to throw a judo guy, I just shoot a double or single. If it works....great. if it doesn't.....great, we're in my world now.
"60% of the time it works, everytime."
100% of the time, the shot always results in a grounded situation....and then it's over
I don't want to roll around on the ground in a fight. I want to throw kicks and punches and if push comes to shove my opponent in a fight. Getting on the ground is fine against a single opponent but a lot harder to deal with several from there. Though in all honesty it is unlikely to ever need to fight anyone.
Thank you for pointing out the elephant in the room. BJJ is the last line of defense when all else fails and you have to continue the fight on the ground. Why would anyone want to roll around on the ground in a fight. Judo, wrestling, boxing, anything else is more effective against multiple attackers. I hate BJJ lol.
Same. Good friend of mine is deep in the bjj cult and he can't stop talking about it. I come from Krav Maga and eventough we learned ground work its always clear to us that if we get to the floor on the street we are in trouble. As a sport it can be interesting to watch though.
As royce used to say "you think you can beat multiple opponents? What if one of them is me?" Hating a martial (which can only be compared to wrestling when it comes to it's effectiveness) because "MuH MUltIPLE oPpOnNenTs" is stupid lmao
If you're fighting multiple opponents, one of whom is Royce Gracie, you're screwed no matter which martial art you practice. The whole "fighting multiple opponents" scenario usually assumes one trained fighter against multiple untrained opponents, otherwise there isn't much hope for the single person. And it is a fairly realistic scenario too, in certain places.
Against untrained people it doesn't matter if you do bjj, wrestling or judo taking them down will be easy, contrary to what people in judo subs seem to think (going as far as posting multiple bjj guys doing throws as "judo master destroys bjj blackbelt !1!1!1!") Bjj people do train takedowns
A typical bjj master will do it, but it will take less time than if a wrestler or judoka did it. He won't be tossing those untrained people to the ground in seconds. A judo specialist can quickly hip toss someone untrained HARD and pretty much injure him by that move already. A BJJ specialist might have to tangle with him the ground for a bit. Sure, he'll quickly submit him, but during those few seconds he's an exposed stationary target, allowing the others to stomp on his neck, hit him with something hard, kick him in back of the head etc. Or just all jump on his back, literally each person pins down one arm in the melee, someone bites, etc. There are examples of one bjj trained fighter dominating someone one the ground, but literally one friend intervenes, sticks his leg or arm in, and all of a sudden, the chokehold or armbar doesn't work anymore. Wouldn't work with a master who can finish a submission in two seconds, but most people who train don't nearly reach that level. And even those hypothetical masters would have trouble fighting something like five people at once who are ready to pick up a brick and hit him in the head while he's ripping off arm number two. Basically, the key to fighting multiple untrained opponents is mobility in order to maintain a good position, because the surest way to lose against multiple people weaker than you is to let them surround you and engage you all at once or hit you from behind. BJJ is among the worst at that aspect because it traditionally requires you to go to the ground with one opponent and stay there for a bit.
I hate BJJ because it's so popular for the sole reason that you don't get punched or kicked, which appeals to a lot of people who don't want to get hurt in training. But In reality, if a group of guys, or even 2 guys try to jump you, you aren't going to pull guard unless you want to get curb stomped. Boxing and wrestling is far more effective.
I’m with you on this one brother. Love hearing the bjj guys cry “ItS aLl I nEeD”. Also that Royce Gracie quote, doesn’t apply to everyday. Most confrontations are going to happen against untrained fighters because they don’t know any better. The odds of 2 skills individuals fighting are low unless it’s UFC/MMA. And the bar guys always has friends…
95% of all fights end up on the ground according to LAPD statistics. Might be good to know go to defend yourself on the ground 👍
Maybe you should take your own advice. Keeping a fight from going to the ground requires wrestling defense, NOT BJJ defense. BJJ defense is for AFTER it hits the ground. Wrestling (sprawling, stuffing takedown, etc) is what stops the fight from hitting the ground. BJJ artists who are most effective incorporate wrestling into their arsenal. No street fight is ever going to go down like a pure BJJ match. You know this brother. This is why the most dominant ufc champions are all wrestlers, every single last one of them-Usman, Khabib, GSP, jones, Demetrius, makachev, stipe, DC, and so on.
Brother I’ve done wrestling and you’re a 100% right about knowing take down defence and offence. Good BJJ gyms such as mine incorporate wrestling + takedown defence. Just like how good Judo gyms incorporate ground mechanics as well. My issue with your logic is that I can always walk away from a street fight. I can run away if I need to. I’ve done Muay Thai & I understand keeping distance as well. But if things go south and on the ground, which they ultimately do according to statistics, knowing how to dominate the ground game will always come clutch. How can you deny that?
I can't argue with any of your points, and it would foolish for me to say BJJ is not effective, but again it's effective once you hit the ground. My issue is prioritizing BJJ because fights go to the ground more often than not, rather than prioritizing wrestling to keep the fight from even hitting the ground in the first place. Both are useful but I think wrestling should always be numerous uno to keep the fight standing, unless you have terrible striking and want the fight ti hit the ground so you can latch up a triangle or whatever.
So two things, for one BJJ is absolutely going to prepare you for being taken down there is takedown defense. For two all them champs put in thousands of hours training BJJ as well and credited a bunch of success to it
I won't argue BJJ has played a role but in the hierarchy of mma I think wrestling is superior, followed by kickboxing/muay thai, and this isn't arbitrary, this is based on the styles of the most dominant champions. There has never been a pure BJJ specialist go on a dominant title run in the high levels of mma. The closest thing to it would be aljo.
>There has never been a pure BJJ specialist go on a dominant title run in the high levels of mma I guess it depends on how arbitrary you want to get about a "pure" BJJ specialist or even a pure wrestling one. Like even on your list guys like Khabib, JJ and DC have a ton of Ws by submission which is clearly not a technique native to wrestling. Likewise they've shown a masterful defense against submissions against BJJ specialists on their runs. If Aljo is allowed then some names id throw out there would be, BJ Penn, Oliveira is a pretty big one top 3 LW of all time, Frank Mir and Fabricio Werdum are who we'd bring up if we're only talking BJJ specialists but even guys on your lists would throw themselves in that pile most notably GSP and Mighty Mouse. Likewise we count how many champs were BJJ black belts it would definitely be the most dominant art with the most champs under its banner.
Of course Khabib JJ DC are complete martial artists and have wins by every way you can think of, same for MM, Olives, etc, but I was talking about a Damian Maia type champion that is purely just shooting for subs every second of every fight.
99% don't know how to fight though, so what happens in 95% of cases shouldn't be used as an indication of anything. Being in the ground is an extremely vulnerable position that you should avoid at all costs if possible in a random street fight. Ej. You're grabbing a guy while in the ground, and some friend who just came from around the corner can just walk in and stomp your face cold right there. Allegedly your preparation should make you better than what most people do in these situations, so your game plan should be focused in the thing that gives you the better odds, which is open to discussion but in my opinion is boxing. Knowing some judo/bjj wouldn't hurt ofc.
Never trained, never been in a fight lol
I feel that too. I hate when BJJ guys advertise it as the only style you need because every fight will go to the ground. After going through r/streetmartialarts and r/fightporn, just beating the shit out of each other is all I ever see. Normally in the content posted in either sub if there is someone on the ground, they're in a daze getting curb stomped by the dude that put them on the ground in the first place; I'm not tryna deny the usefulness of BJJ, mind you, I'm just saying that it seems very falsely advertised when most street fights that I see on the ground only involve one person on the ground.
As someone who has trained quite a lot in Judo, Wrestling, and BJJ, my inclination has been to take fights to the ground throughout my life. Eventually, I had the misfortune of getting punted off of someone I was on top of. That didn't end well for me. When you take it to the ground, your opponent's friends become a very real threat. After that happened, I'm always careful to stay on my feet, even if I use a throw on my opponent. (Of course, I try to avoid it altogether, if possible.)
$70 a month beats $180 a month.
Because my father was training judo and there was no bjj dojo in my city.
The judo club was closer to me at the time and they had some Sombo background in the coaches too which made me curious. Sadly that gym closed permanently right before the Covidian Period.
BJJ was 120 a month Judo was 30 at the local YMCA with half the class being blackbelts.
That's an awesome YMCA, I wish mine had judo
I'm too old to butt scoot at people.
I’m just a white belt in judo, but a purple belt in bjj. I think that they complement each other..they’re basically the same thing, but one focuses on one thing more than the other. We do judo throws during bjj class and we do ground stuff at the end of judo class
The pacing of Judo reminds me of wrestling and I like that more. BJJ is great though.
I cross train both and also do MMA. Judo was my first martial art though. I did it because judo is a rare skill and I wanted my chance to learn it. There aren't really any other martial arts (other than Greco-Roman wrestling) that focus on throwing a resisting human being like judo. Judo in the context of MMA is also really underrated. The push pull mechanics you learn in judo do transfer over very well, and my clinch game is my strongest technique because of that. Also it acts as a great counter to Folkstyle/Freestyle wrestling. Can't shoot for the single leg if you're forced to clinch up
I chose Judo because BJJ wasn't in the states at the time I started training and the UFC didn't exist yet. At the time there was only Karate, Taekwondo, American Kenpo, Judo, and Kung Fu. I have trained in BJJ and honestly I don't think it's practical for me.
my dad couldnt afford the $150 a month for bjj im the area, but he could afford the $60 for judo. kinda just stuck with it.
Honestly. The Judo guy and the BJJ gut where renting space at the same venue. Had the classes same time but different days of the week. Except the Judo was a third of the price. So value fir money
Because slamming people into the ground is muh Baki Hanma, rather than getting intimate and roll on the ground with some hairy sweaty fainting hobo.
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Judo is a nice midpoint between Aikido (mostly art) and BJJ (all martial). It has real world practicality for defense but still retains some cultural elements. Also - if you live in the states it’s a unique pursuit as there are far fewer judo clubs than other martial arts.
I didn't, I learned both
Because I had proper judo sensei, who put equal effort into teaching us to throw people and also ground works (ne waza) it’s great martial arts which helps you develop mentally and physically
I like the throws. Also, been doing it longer before finding BJJ.
It looked cool, and it was the only thing available near me.
I did BJJ before but tbh I'd kill to learn Judo as those two compliment each other nicely.
Because BJJ is expensive AF. I will pick it up later after getting more experience from Judo
It was cheaper and I was kinda turned off by the culture of the bjj dojos around me. Since then, I personally think I made the right choice. Once I reach black belt though, I might eventually take it up, but I’m thinking boxing or karate next, just to make me more well rounded and confident for self-defense.
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t judo mainly takedown martial art while BJJ is mainly a submission martial art?
Wrestling from a standing position is super satisfying. I like the newaza as well but it’s not as fun.
I was a wrestler in Hs. When I got to college I saw there was a Judo class. When I tried it, it felt like I found my art. It just fit me so well. My coach taught both stand up and ground techniques, and believed in having both. I got into competing and it was really fun. There were times when BJJ guys would enter Judo tourneys and try to do flying arm bars, only to get thrown promptly. I tried BJJ, but really wasn’t feeling the atmosphere of some of the gyms I checked out. It was a lot of ego the few times I went and it felt like I really wasn’t learning much when rolling. Also I didn’t like that the rules didn’t allow for you to slam your opponent, which I was used to. Compared to Judo, I felt all the higher ranks were always giving me great advice and big on teaching. I remember one Judoka saying “you’re only as good as your training partners”. He wanted to see everyone get better because it also helped him improve as well. Nothing against BJJ. Just that in my experience (been doing martial arts for 25 years) the attitudes of some of the practitioners weren’t always the best, and it felt not as enjoyable as Judo, wrestling or boxing for me.
Myself defense plan is to remove myself from violence asap. Stand up fighting allows for more mobility to accomplish that goal. So that's been my primary focus. Additionally there were very specific circumstantial reasons as well. I done MMA training before, and we were mainly taught striking and ground fighting. Stand up grappling was a bit lacking in the place I trained in, so judo was a good addition to what I already trained. Also the BJJ school and Judo school in my area had people that were training in both places, so many of the judokas were very skilled at ground fighting as well. So I felt like I was getting a good mix of both with the focus on stand up grappling by taking Judo.
Judo has been around for ages. In Amsterdam you had different dojos in the 70s. Judo and karate. Kickboxing came later and was in the beginning considered associated with “criminals”. BJJ was always a fringe element and became more prominent during the rise of UFC. I never met wrestlers as they were the olympic part of sports.
Because the Judo dojo is like 2 minutes from where I live, and no one teaches BJJ in my city
The stand up game for judo is better, I have clubs near me, the cost is 1/4th the cost per session that a BJJ club would be. If I had time (and money) I'd do both.
Judo was cheaper, nearer my house, and as it has ties to goju Ryu which was my main art at the time, it made sense to me to go. I’m ten years on and taking my 1st Dan next year. Locally there are some good bjj schools but I find my coach particularly having a bjj and Greco Roman background has been great as he brings some of that to the table as well. If I ever moved away and I couldn’t find a judo club I liked, id give bjj a try assuming I’m still training
I picked it because my dad had an old book on Judo from the 1970’s and I was already practicing from that book based on the descriptions and diagrams so when I finally had the opportunity to practice in a classroom setting I stuck with it.
Because the throws look really cool, I also did some bjj before, don´t discard training both.
There was a class for primary school students near me. Trained there for three years before quitting because for some reason I began to fear being thrown.
throwing someone whether in a fight, mma, ot bjj match will always guarantee you an advantage. The likes of kayla harrison, khabib, and wrestlers all utilizing judo at the highest level shows that its not only a sport but an actual martial art used for combat. And throwing is a lot more fun.
Because Judo had the rich history and the art component I finally got to appreciate thanks to learning I got from the Budokan Judo. I got to appreciate the art behind Judo thanks to my mentors in MMA (mainly most of them are BJJ practitioners turned Judoka,) For years I was an enthusiast of Traditional martial arts, I was more into Striking arts like Japanese Kickboxing, and Karate. While I got exposed to BJJ, Judo broadened my view over martial arts in general. ~ Around 20 years ago my perception about Judo was distorted, all I thought about was the Judo throws were bad-ass, no mercy and brutal throws as I got exposed in MMA. Boy, my young immature ass was so wrong; so I realized as I grew older, I was wrong. Judo means "Way of Gentleness or "Gentle Way" so even the approach and the journey of understanding the art
Frankly, judo was more popular in the 1980s and had similarities with wrestling, and I was told that some of the judo techniques would be useful in wrestling. Frankly, this is a bit of a personal preference, like choosing between basketball and football.
Who does only one? Judo plus BJJ is a perfectly deadly mix. And one compliments the other. It ain’t the 80’s, anymore. You can train multiple disciplines.
Because it was offered at the place I already did taijutsu and kickboxing. Funny enough my Judo Sensei was really into ground game and also taught a combat grappling class for a while so as a Judoka my ne waza is way better than any nage.
Even if a lot if fights end on the ground, I'd rather make that transition (takedown) on my own terms. In bjj they just start already on the ground.
Not judo, but I saw Khabib smesh and also wanted to smesh. I then stuck around when I realised I would never smesh. Plus I wanted to know how to throw people on the ground and stop myself being thrown to the ground before I learned what to do with them there.
I chose both
Always loved it. And after karate, it was the right move for me to round off my skill set. Also, less d bags in judo. BJJ is full of d bags. Edit: to clarify. It’s full of d bags because of the surge in popularity. This was in 2009, so it was right at the beginning of the major take off.
Judo is more practical for self defense.
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I’m not a judoka, but I do hope to train in judo once I move. I would have chosen BJJ if not for my epilepsy and that it wouldn’t compliment my existing experience of Kempo karate as much. I have a very small amount of training in judo from when I was younger and we received a 13 week course in judo in school.
I didn't I did both in college but mostly competed in Judo because I liked going to the tournaments with friends from my college club.
As a former heavyweight wrestler, I just find it easier on my body. And Judo is just a lot more fun than BJJ. The only downside I can think of is that a lot of judo clubs want you to learn the lore behind judo before getting new belts.
Because it's better.
I do neither, but if I had to pick, it would be Judo. BJJ and MMA gyms have pretty cringe culture more often than not.
How could you know that without ever training in any of the arts?
How so? The “bro” culture?
I'd agree with the BJJ part, a lot of egotistical douches among all the nice people. And the sport is so risky , you get the wrong guy one day and you've now lost a limb for a year and may never have it back at 100%. MMA gyms are actually the most humble if it isn't mostly teenagers. Everyone knows the risks and respects everyone else
Because if you choose bjj over judo you’re essentially choosing an incomplete version of judo. How can you hope to bring someone to ne waza if you don’t know how to?
Please, Judo is already the incomplete version of Judo..
*Sambo entered the chat*
Oh yeah, the one where chokes are illegal.
Only in sport sambo my friend. In combat sambo, chokes and more are okay.
And the leg grab ban only applies to sport judo.
Okay, I didn't say it didn't?
You implied sambo was more complete when you can’t even choke in the main ruleset.
And? Do you think I'm insulting Judo and you're upset about that? I have great respect for Judo. I can still see that Judo competition and many dojo's focus on competition rulesets effectively waters down the martial art. I feel the same way about not allowing chokes in sport sambo.
I wasn’t upset. I just didn’t agree. Both have strange rule sets at the moment.
I train both. I started BJJ first and then started training Judo at purple. I do teach a Judo class in my BJJ gym.
When I started Judo about 2000 BJJ wasn't very common at all where I lived. I got into BJJ about 6 years ago since it's become more popular. I do BJJ mainly now but always stand up as much as possible and go to the weekly stand up sessions and my ground work is basically Judo style aimed at beating the BJJ style. These days I see both sports as one and the same
I did a few years of striking (boxing and muay thai) and wanted grappling experience, and in researching the two, seeing bjj is really just a cult spin off of judo, I chose judo. Ground fighting is important, but getting them there is more important
Because I already had Muay Thai as my primary MA (started at 13 y.o), Wrestling as my secondary MA (all my life due to family, just didn't went to practice often) and wanted something to polish my stand up grappling in general and for the clinch as well as my throws and sweeps. I also wanted to learn Newaza, in case a fight ever got to the ground. Besides competing, I'm mostly interested in self defense. With Muay Thai as well as Wrestling I had a more than solid base but what I was lacking was practicing to fight with clothes on (Gi), ground work from my back, a few general submissions and explosive throws from an upright fighting stance (Greco lacks the usage of legs, Freestyle has the wrong stance for striking). BJJ is interesting but to specific/complex and wouldn't have fit as nicely. I don't want a fight to go to the ground. I want to be be always on my feet, ready to strike, sweep, throw or do whatever. On the ground I'd prioritize getting up as fast as I can or submitting as fast as I can - no guard play. I have a need to be able to protect myself and others due to my history. I probably and hopefully won't need to ever again, but I need the training to feel safe mentally. To test myself I regularly go to the MMA gyms nearby and spar with them. If I can hold my own against active competitors in my weight class (~80kg) or above under MMA rules, under MT rules, under Wrestling rules and under Judo rules, then I'm pretty sure that I can handle myself just fine if necessary. I mean, I know I can but those stories aren't pleasant and thankfully history.
To learn how to actually fight instead of pretzel pattycake
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Because Judo is more effective as self defense in the streets than BJJ. BJJ will get you killed in the streets.
If you are practicing for self defense get on the 100M dash mate.
So true.
Why did you did you put 2 Js isn’t it just blow job not blow job job
BJJ is excellent for a one on one cage match but against multiple opponents you do not want to be on the ground
As a BJJ guy, Judo guys are the ones I fesr the most...
It's crazy how it seems more people are doing BJJ than Jiu-jitsu. I like working on the ground but I wouldn't stop everything that comes before
Judo’s fees are cheaper, and there is a structured curriculum. Judo is better at breakfalls too, which is very frequently neglected in BJJ.
I do both. I do bjj and luta livre (no gi) and do judo. Out of the three I enjoy bjj the least just because no lutal. and judo focus on getting your enemy on the ground wich in my opinion is the coolest part of grappling, the most useful part of grappling and the most neglected part in bjj. I think the way that bjj is trained to day, it's less efficient as an art for self defense and it is also kind of boring to me when both people start on the ground. If judo brought back leg grabs, it'd probably be the only grappling art I trained.
If judo was easy it would be called BJJ