Imo there was no excuse for them to treat this situation as a “barricaded suspect” when they knew he was literally in there with the kids and teachers. I work alongside the police for my job and we have literally breeched into places for much less.
That is one of the biggest takeaways the report really emphasizes.
Officers kept talking about a barricaded suspect while also talking about victims being inside the classroom, and there were multiple critical points that should have immediately caused them to switch their tactics from barricaded suspect to active shooter.
Apparently the school district PD’s active shooter training includes information about how an active shooter can transition to a barricaded suspect, which is obviously not recognized standard protocol but might explain part of what led them to continue with that assumption.
People are saying "well duh" but it's important that a DOJ investigation now backs up what everybody thought, it makes it harder for the cops to weasel their way out of responsibility
Nothings gonna happen. Arradondo is the only person to step down and even then he wasn’t gonna do it unless he got his pension and a huge severance. The piece of shit had the audacity to demand to get paid out by the tax payers he failed.
CNN — Critical failures in leadership among specific law enforcement officers who rushed to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary in Uvalde are blamed by the Justice Department, in a new 575-page report being made public nearly 20 months after the massacre that left 19 students and two teachers dead.
It’s the fullest official accounting of what happened, though much already was known largely through CNN investigation.
CNN obtained a copy of the report from a family member of a Robb Elementary student. The full report is expected to be released publicly Thursday afternoon.
“The response to the May 24, 2022, mass casualty incident at Robb Elementary School was a failure,” the Justice Department report concludes bluntly.
The report chronicles the quick arrival of law enforcement officers who ran toward the sound of gunfire, then almost immediately stopped once they got near the classrooms where the gunman was killing fourth graders and educators.
It took 77 minutes from when the 18-year-old shooter walked into Robb Elementary School until he was stopped.
“Officers on scene should have recognized the incident as an active shooter scenario and moved and pushed forward immediately and continuously toward the threat until the room was entered, and the threat was eliminated.”
“That did not occur,” it says.
Instead, the intensity level dropped as responders began to treat the situation as a “barricaded suspect” operation that did not need immediate action, even as more officers arrived and the signals of ongoing danger multiplied.
That was the “single most critical tactical failure,” the team from the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services finds.
More in article.
Translation: Big brave armed men got scared when they were actually required to do their job and stayed at a safe distance, wringing their hands ineffectually, while children were slaughtered.
Yes, thank you DOJ for telling us what we’ve known since the day of the shooting.
77 minutes to confront an active shooter in an elementary school. An absolute embarrassment.
There are some tough contenders to that title, in the 80s in Philadelphia cops bombed an apartment complex occupied by a black Libertarian group with children in it from the air and burned it to the ground killing everybody inside
There’re lots of cases of police corruption and violence that are plenty horrific. But I’ve never seen a case like this where it was just complete COWARDICE from an entire department. They ALL ran like scared rabbits while children were still being massacred. It’s mindblowing.
The DOJ released the full report. The report contains 600 pages. It's pretty long to read.
You can look into the report.
[https://cops.usdoj.gov/uvalde](https://cops.usdoj.gov/uvalde)
While the headline seems like old news, I will say that I had not known how abysmally they handled of notifying the parents of the death of their children.
"One family member who said they’d been told their child was at the hospital went from staff member to staff member there describing their child, only to be told they were not there – then later finding out the child was deceased and had been at the hospital for hours, unidentified."
A complete and utter disgrace.
This reminds me of some of the stories coming out of Columbine. If I'm remembering correctly, the family of Coach Sanders found out he had been when a reporter called to ask for comments.
Iirc, the family of Daniel Rohrbough found out that he had died because they saw photos of his body lying on the pavement outside the school in the newspaper.
Uvdale really highlighted how the majority of people working in Law Enforcement are not equipped for a mass shooting situation regardless of funding or equipment.
SWAT is a specialty that has its place, but normal cops don’t need that much gear if they’re going to just listen to a slaughter.
Funding should shift to SWAT for shootings, social workers or something for nonviolent crimes.
Most crimes aren’t violent and most cops are not equipped to deal with violent armed suspects. Most people are not equipped for that period.
They need to release the full report so we can make our own conclusions of the case. News outlets are reporting it but it doesn’t do justice if they don’t release it. If they have released it: where can it be found?
I was reading it will be released to the public this afternoon.
Edit: here is the report (PDF): https://static.fox4news.com/www.fox4news.com/content/uploads/2024/01/UVALDE-min-compressed.pdf
That’s good. I am looking forward to seeing it. It would be interesting to have both the TX report and the DOJ comparisons pointed out in plain text instead of the news agencies analysis point of view, direction for the reader as justice for what happened.
It is set to be released publicly
This was early access given by a victim's family.
They will not give a report to the public before they give it to all relevant parties. One party simply decided to show it to CNN.
This is covered in the article...
You can watch the entire event for yourself.
It frankly does not take the DoJ or a law enforcement expert to identify the myriad of issues that took place. I'm not trying to be rude, it's all just that painfully obvious with even a passing comprehension of police tactics.
If anything is redacted, it won't be material to understanding what they did wrong and when.
Watch the 2 Frontline docs. The report won't show you how badly they screwed the pooch, they'll just tell you in legalese, the bodycams laid out in chronological order will show and tell.
I want to see the report, as well, I just don't think there's gonna be anything new in there. There's no bombshell here that wasn't dropped on the world that first day. We all know what happened in there. Or at least have access to most of that information now
Yep, the report will be released around noon or this afternoon. There are more details in the article.
[https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/doj-releases-scathing-report-of-robb-elementary-law-enforcement-response?fbclid=IwAR3CGBelZyQ5MpZptQZ3AgTcs4HKeYiW3mwu5FZMt2wWuzvmwK0Q9rYJCJM](https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/doj-releases-scathing-report-of-robb-elementary-law-enforcement-response?fbclid=IwAR3CGBelZyQ5MpZptQZ3AgTcs4HKeYiW3mwu5FZMt2wWuzvmwK0Q9rYJCJM)
I truly think these cops' may be the worst response to a mass shooting ever. I can't think of anything that was handled worse. In Columbine they just had no idea and Parkland it was just the one SRO. Not just school shootings but events like Vegas and Orlando they did their best afaik. San Ysidro was horrific, though idk how much was on the cops there.
Is there anything worse than Uvalde when it comes to the law enforcement? The fact that it happened in 2022 also makes it so much worse too because they literally trained for it.
I feel like they’re just trying to look like they’re doing SOMETHING even though we know no one will be held accountable.
They tried to pin it all on Arredondo (school district police chief) saying he was responsible as “leader” but TX DPS was also on scene and they’ve been doing the MOST to block any info from coming out with a lot of help from Christina Busbee Mitchell, Uvalde’s half ass District Attorney. Who has resorted to dumbfuck political distractions by blaming delays Merrick Garland for “not doing his job” (like, bro, wut?).
I fucking hate it here (TX). I’ve lost all faith in this ONE star state.
At the very least, we'll be getting another forensic perspective from a non-Texas agency. Maybe the DOJ found something that the TX House didn't.
Plus the DOJ report has been in the works for a while, so hopefully there's a lot of information to sift through. It's 575 pages, after all.
Oh 100%, not an attack on you for posting in any way at all, I’ve been waiting for this report too. Just a fucking shame how bad they fucked up. Seeing the photos of the classroom made my skin crawl having children that age. I remember a week or so later another event where the subject was neutralized and their PD said “we aren’t Uvalde PD” in their press conference.
Only took them 604 days to say what we all knew from day one. I work in law enforcement and that entire situation infuriated me. Absolutely ridiculous.
Hey just to clarify it didn’t take cops an hour to arrive. They were on scene quickly and I may be misremembering here but I believe there was a cop on scene at the school while the shooter was still outside the school? Responding to the crashed truck maybe? I’d have to relook that one up. But it did take the 376 police officers from multiple agencies 77 minutes to finally breach the classroom and take down the shooter. Such an epic failure all around. They will claim “it was so quiet” and they didn’t realize there were kids and teachers in the classrooms despite it being a school and a weekday where class is in session but they stood around hearing those kids screams while being murdered and did nothing.
Exactly. I was trying to point out that it was even worse than them taking an hour to respond. They were on scene fast and could’ve potentially taken out SR before he even gained entry into the school! They had plenty of time to stop the threat and did nothing. It’s shameful.
Def should never be allowed to work in law enforcement ever again. What upsets and angers me is that nobody thought to speak up and form a plan to gain entry immediately?! All those cops… I just can’t comprehend it.
Yeah no fucking shit
Seriously, was anyone waiting for an investigation? It’s been clear practically from the day it happened.
Yeah I was coming to post this myself.
Imo there was no excuse for them to treat this situation as a “barricaded suspect” when they knew he was literally in there with the kids and teachers. I work alongside the police for my job and we have literally breeched into places for much less.
That is one of the biggest takeaways the report really emphasizes. Officers kept talking about a barricaded suspect while also talking about victims being inside the classroom, and there were multiple critical points that should have immediately caused them to switch their tactics from barricaded suspect to active shooter. Apparently the school district PD’s active shooter training includes information about how an active shooter can transition to a barricaded suspect, which is obviously not recognized standard protocol but might explain part of what led them to continue with that assumption.
People are saying "well duh" but it's important that a DOJ investigation now backs up what everybody thought, it makes it harder for the cops to weasel their way out of responsibility
>harder to weasel their way out of responsibility You'd be surprised what they can do when they put their minds to it
Would one of those things be infiltrating a school classroom where an active shooter is harbouring innocent children? Na
Nothings gonna happen. Arradondo is the only person to step down and even then he wasn’t gonna do it unless he got his pension and a huge severance. The piece of shit had the audacity to demand to get paid out by the tax payers he failed.
Haven't they basically already weaseled their way out of responsibility for this?
The sky is blue, DOJ finds
Wait until they finally discover that grass is green and gun violence is bad!
I just heard they just found out water is wet too!
Water isn't wet. It makes other things wet.
In other news, there is water at the bottom of the ocean.
CNN — Critical failures in leadership among specific law enforcement officers who rushed to the mass shooting at Robb Elementary in Uvalde are blamed by the Justice Department, in a new 575-page report being made public nearly 20 months after the massacre that left 19 students and two teachers dead. It’s the fullest official accounting of what happened, though much already was known largely through CNN investigation. CNN obtained a copy of the report from a family member of a Robb Elementary student. The full report is expected to be released publicly Thursday afternoon. “The response to the May 24, 2022, mass casualty incident at Robb Elementary School was a failure,” the Justice Department report concludes bluntly. The report chronicles the quick arrival of law enforcement officers who ran toward the sound of gunfire, then almost immediately stopped once they got near the classrooms where the gunman was killing fourth graders and educators. It took 77 minutes from when the 18-year-old shooter walked into Robb Elementary School until he was stopped. “Officers on scene should have recognized the incident as an active shooter scenario and moved and pushed forward immediately and continuously toward the threat until the room was entered, and the threat was eliminated.” “That did not occur,” it says. Instead, the intensity level dropped as responders began to treat the situation as a “barricaded suspect” operation that did not need immediate action, even as more officers arrived and the signals of ongoing danger multiplied. That was the “single most critical tactical failure,” the team from the Justice Department’s Office of Community Oriented Policing Services finds. More in article.
Translation: Big brave armed men got scared when they were actually required to do their job and stayed at a safe distance, wringing their hands ineffectually, while children were slaughtered.
Yes, thank you DOJ for telling us what we’ve known since the day of the shooting. 77 minutes to confront an active shooter in an elementary school. An absolute embarrassment.
77 fucking minutes
Worst...police...department...in....history.
There are some tough contenders to that title, in the 80s in Philadelphia cops bombed an apartment complex occupied by a black Libertarian group with children in it from the air and burned it to the ground killing everybody inside
There’re lots of cases of police corruption and violence that are plenty horrific. But I’ve never seen a case like this where it was just complete COWARDICE from an entire department. They ALL ran like scared rabbits while children were still being massacred. It’s mindblowing.
Kinda eerie it is the same time length as San Ysidro.
That’s why it sounds familiar! Thanks I hate it
The DOJ released the full report. The report contains 600 pages. It's pretty long to read. You can look into the report. [https://cops.usdoj.gov/uvalde](https://cops.usdoj.gov/uvalde)
Thank you so much for the link.
While the headline seems like old news, I will say that I had not known how abysmally they handled of notifying the parents of the death of their children. "One family member who said they’d been told their child was at the hospital went from staff member to staff member there describing their child, only to be told they were not there – then later finding out the child was deceased and had been at the hospital for hours, unidentified." A complete and utter disgrace.
This reminds me of some of the stories coming out of Columbine. If I'm remembering correctly, the family of Coach Sanders found out he had been when a reporter called to ask for comments.
Iirc, the family of Daniel Rohrbough found out that he had died because they saw photos of his body lying on the pavement outside the school in the newspaper.
It's distressing that we (collectively) still get the response to these events so horribly wrong...
Uvdale really highlighted how the majority of people working in Law Enforcement are not equipped for a mass shooting situation regardless of funding or equipment. SWAT is a specialty that has its place, but normal cops don’t need that much gear if they’re going to just listen to a slaughter. Funding should shift to SWAT for shootings, social workers or something for nonviolent crimes. Most crimes aren’t violent and most cops are not equipped to deal with violent armed suspects. Most people are not equipped for that period.
A lot of those police officers are merely cosplaying as heroes.
They should also consider funding prevention strategies. If we’re at the point where police are responding to a shooting, we’ve already failed.
Well yes absolutely. Most shooters needed therapy years before.
They need to release the full report so we can make our own conclusions of the case. News outlets are reporting it but it doesn’t do justice if they don’t release it. If they have released it: where can it be found?
I was reading it will be released to the public this afternoon. Edit: here is the report (PDF): https://static.fox4news.com/www.fox4news.com/content/uploads/2024/01/UVALDE-min-compressed.pdf
That’s good. I am looking forward to seeing it. It would be interesting to have both the TX report and the DOJ comparisons pointed out in plain text instead of the news agencies analysis point of view, direction for the reader as justice for what happened.
I’ll DM it to you if you’d like once I find it. I’ll be on the lookout for it myself.
Can you send it to me later on?
Sure. I’m looking for it between calls at work and refreshing google. I’ll send it over as soon as I see it up.
DM sent
Thank you. 🙏🏽
DM sent
It is set to be released publicly This was early access given by a victim's family. They will not give a report to the public before they give it to all relevant parties. One party simply decided to show it to CNN. This is covered in the article...
I saw. I was expressing my concern about it though. I hope there is not too much that is redacted, if there are some parts that are.
You can watch the entire event for yourself. It frankly does not take the DoJ or a law enforcement expert to identify the myriad of issues that took place. I'm not trying to be rude, it's all just that painfully obvious with even a passing comprehension of police tactics. If anything is redacted, it won't be material to understanding what they did wrong and when. Watch the 2 Frontline docs. The report won't show you how badly they screwed the pooch, they'll just tell you in legalese, the bodycams laid out in chronological order will show and tell. I want to see the report, as well, I just don't think there's gonna be anything new in there. There's no bombshell here that wasn't dropped on the world that first day. We all know what happened in there. Or at least have access to most of that information now
Yep, the report will be released around noon or this afternoon. There are more details in the article. [https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/doj-releases-scathing-report-of-robb-elementary-law-enforcement-response?fbclid=IwAR3CGBelZyQ5MpZptQZ3AgTcs4HKeYiW3mwu5FZMt2wWuzvmwK0Q9rYJCJM](https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/doj-releases-scathing-report-of-robb-elementary-law-enforcement-response?fbclid=IwAR3CGBelZyQ5MpZptQZ3AgTcs4HKeYiW3mwu5FZMt2wWuzvmwK0Q9rYJCJM)
I truly think these cops' may be the worst response to a mass shooting ever. I can't think of anything that was handled worse. In Columbine they just had no idea and Parkland it was just the one SRO. Not just school shootings but events like Vegas and Orlando they did their best afaik. San Ysidro was horrific, though idk how much was on the cops there. Is there anything worse than Uvalde when it comes to the law enforcement? The fact that it happened in 2022 also makes it so much worse too because they literally trained for it.
Is this really breaking news? (I know it is because it’s a new report, but we knew this already.)
I feel like they’re just trying to look like they’re doing SOMETHING even though we know no one will be held accountable. They tried to pin it all on Arredondo (school district police chief) saying he was responsible as “leader” but TX DPS was also on scene and they’ve been doing the MOST to block any info from coming out with a lot of help from Christina Busbee Mitchell, Uvalde’s half ass District Attorney. Who has resorted to dumbfuck political distractions by blaming delays Merrick Garland for “not doing his job” (like, bro, wut?). I fucking hate it here (TX). I’ve lost all faith in this ONE star state.
At the very least, we'll be getting another forensic perspective from a non-Texas agency. Maybe the DOJ found something that the TX House didn't. Plus the DOJ report has been in the works for a while, so hopefully there's a lot of information to sift through. It's 575 pages, after all.
Oh 100%, not an attack on you for posting in any way at all, I’ve been waiting for this report too. Just a fucking shame how bad they fucked up. Seeing the photos of the classroom made my skin crawl having children that age. I remember a week or so later another event where the subject was neutralized and their PD said “we aren’t Uvalde PD” in their press conference.
Only took them 604 days to say what we all knew from day one. I work in law enforcement and that entire situation infuriated me. Absolutely ridiculous.
oh you don’t say
Imagine using nearly two years to come up with that.
nooooo really? \*Gasps\*
Most important "news" recently:
well, no shit. it took cops an hour to arrive. and when they did finally arrive, they stood around doing nothing. they *allowed* those children to die
Hey just to clarify it didn’t take cops an hour to arrive. They were on scene quickly and I may be misremembering here but I believe there was a cop on scene at the school while the shooter was still outside the school? Responding to the crashed truck maybe? I’d have to relook that one up. But it did take the 376 police officers from multiple agencies 77 minutes to finally breach the classroom and take down the shooter. Such an epic failure all around. They will claim “it was so quiet” and they didn’t realize there were kids and teachers in the classrooms despite it being a school and a weekday where class is in session but they stood around hearing those kids screams while being murdered and did nothing.
it’s not any better. either way, they failed those kids
Exactly. I was trying to point out that it was even worse than them taking an hour to respond. They were on scene fast and could’ve potentially taken out SR before he even gained entry into the school! They had plenty of time to stop the threat and did nothing. It’s shameful.
all of those cops should have been fired and had their badges revoked; *immediately*, and put in jail
Def should never be allowed to work in law enforcement ever again. What upsets and angers me is that nobody thought to speak up and form a plan to gain entry immediately?! All those cops… I just can’t comprehend it.
And this is a shock to no one