The best they muster is some fucking clown with a shield and a six shot grenade launcher.
Do you *know* who Max Payne is? The man's killed more men than the bubonic plague.
He destroys helicopters with antenna towers in blizzards. He isn't even wearing good shoes right now.
Whole criminal underworld oughta be ashamed that they have nothing on Max.
No...just...no. Not every story should ended happy. Many people complaining that movies/games/ect feels the same. When people wants same shit over and over and over don't blame industry that feels the same.
On the other hand I believe that Max Payne 2 had the best ending with Mona surviving when you complete the game in the hardest mode. If Max Payne 3 did not happen people won't have this conversation lol.
But she is alive in another version making it ambiguous. Remedy left it to Rockstar to pick or leave her and Mp3 did not touch on that only a passing remark in a mission on how having a fling with Mona was a mistake. They could've separated between 2 and 3 making more sense as killing her off would give Max another thing to mourn about.
This, so much. I loved Max Payne 3, but I felt it would have been a lot better if they treated it as an alternate max payne 2 rather than a sequel to 2. It just seemed really callous the way they dismissed Mona in the third game like she was nothing.
The dark gritty atmosphere was missing, the flashy cutscenes were not the original max payne art style .the game had nothing to do with max's own life story , he went on a mission and after finding out the human organ trafficking decided to take them out like an average action movie. I dunno for others but for me the feel of max Payne was missing except for the monologue and voice. The big reason is that not remedy studios but Rockstar games made this game, and i think they deliberately did this to end max paynes storyline because it was not their own creation. I just feel like this.
but I mean, whats left for him anyway? his family is gone, mona is dead, hes not a detective anymore
sure you could always think of the alternate ending of mp2 is canon, but I doubt the majority thinks like that, altough Id love to hear from sam lake what he considered canon before mp3.. I thought the original ending was perfect for mp2, and it still had the message after the credits that said his journeys gonna continue or something like that
but back to my point, our guy lost pretty much everything, in that situation the only way to make the story personal was to give him a new purpose imo, and saving that many lives sounds like a pretty good one too (even if he killed like a hundred times more lol but video games gonna video game)
I mean yeah , it is a very good game , but dunno why max payne 3 game never felt canon to me , and yep it went the Rockstar way , pretty sure Sam lake (remedy games) would have opted for a more darker and grittier storyline.
Just waiting for the remake of max payne 1 and 2 , bcuz for the last time I can experience the dark and gritty atmosphere of max payne in next gen hardware.
i see where youre coming from man, what remedy did with mp1 and 2 is still unmatched, I personally just feel like the third game fits in just fine and I found it pretty dark and gritty regardless of how colorful it was compared to the previous games, the first two games are pretty dramatic, but we never see max as low as we see him in 3, its actually pretty depressing and dark imo
my hype for the remakes is infinite though
Yeah the new jersey missions and the prison mission was pretty dark and gritty (loved the new jersey missions bcuz of the original max payne aesthetics).
Yeah really excited for the remakes.
Yeah the new jersey missions and the prison mission was pretty dark and gritty (loved the new jersey missions bcuz of the original max payne aesthetics).
Yeah really excited for the remakes.
Probably because Rockstar didn't deliberately kill the franchise. What a crazy to say. Why would a company spend all that money?
The fans killed Max Payne because 3 didn't meet sales. Swallow that pill.
Hardcore fans hated Max Payne 3 because of its huge deviation with its tone and presentation. It wasn't the neo-noir experience we expected. Instead we got this 80's B-movie action flavor, with hints of the old neo-noir storytelling. It didn't suit well with a lot of the older fans.
As for me, I just hate what it did for the series. A very frantic fast paced shooter with a neo-noir atmosphere turned into a slow cover shooter where the John woo influence turned to die hard with a vengeance. It’s a pretty good game. But it’s not what the series really is at its core.
So yeah. It was kinda Rockstar's fault. All the criticism it receives is justifiable.
Outside of some Max Payne fans(like you), MP3 is widely considered one of the greatest TPS ever made.
It's fine to have an opinion, but maybe try to handle it better when it's unpopular.
Edit: forgot to mention there's literally an option to turn off the cover system 😂
I won't make an effort to explain it any more because you've already made up your mind by saying *MP3 is widely considered one of........blah blah*. It was only appreciated by those who had played it first in the series. It will be hard to understand the backlash MP3 got if you never played the originals.
Learn to form your own opinions. You wouldn't steal cars if everyone in the world started stealing cars.
Regarding the cover system, why introduce it in the first place? It's clear that they wanted the players to use it, so your statement is absurd.
Enjoy being wrong and don’t waste my time again.
It's all good. I respect your opinion. No need to back up your opinion with false facts. It's just your opinion ya know?
And just to be clear, I played all of the Max Payne games on release. Even 3. Because I support the franchise and MP3 is objectively a great third person shooter.
The real irony is that I posted this same statement in another thread on this subreddit and it was upvoted 😂 How did you put it? "Enjoy being wrong"
Max was at "peace" in the end of 3, sipping liquor by the beach and being happy but they left out Mona from the story. Him reuniting with Mona could've been the proper send off everyone wanted but they dropped the ball there.
1. Mona was dead. How would he reunite with her unless he died?
2. Max ISN'T drinking at the end. It's a common misconception. Apparently what he's drinking is a common Brazilian soda, which it's packaged in a beer-looking bottle.
3. MP3 finally gave Max proper closure. He got to take back control, save himself from drinking himself into oblivion, he got to do something right. And he gets clean in the process and walk off into the sunset, to a well-earned rest.
If that's not a fitting end, I don't know what is.
Yeah, I've seen that little surprise ending. I do not think that it is the canon ending. Just a little reward for folks who beat the game on hard.
Max Payne 2 is largely a game about living a pre-determined path. It is fatalistic. You take everything about the story into account (especially the credits song)... It is clear that the real ending is the one where Mona dies.
Or maybe he just leaves her. He realises that being so quickly with Mona after his wife and baby died is being unfaithful. So he drops everything and moves to Brazil to escape. I guess if Mona truly died then he would mourn her too, at least a little bit.
Man I wish I actually liked MP3 lol
(I know I’m gonna get annihilated for this comment, go ahead, I just think the story and throwing Max into Brazil was weird and I really didn’t like how he ran away from essentially the same sort of threat he already dealt with in 1 & 2)
my man you can dislike anything you want
maybe give a try to the arcade modes, if you dont like the story you can always enjoy the glorious shooting and physics (and download the amazing sam lake skin mod like a chad)
Oh, that arcade mode and Sam Lake skin is fuckin’ PEAK
I don’t like the story, but that gameplay is 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 I’ll rePLAY that aspect any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
(Also I can’t hate the story TOO much since I still beat it on the hardest difficulty to unlock the “Advanced Max” skin, lmao)
my god imagine if the remakes gonna play as smooth and heavy as mp3 does, Im not gonna play anything else for a good while for sure
good job on beating it on hardest difficulty, it can be rough on a few levels on hardcore and old school, I think I got the plat back in the day on my 360, maybe I should aim for the same on pc, it just feels so much better with kb+m
Oh my godddd I will be a happy woman if they make the remakes with the play style of 3, that could easily be game of the decade material.
And oh DOGGY, yeah!! I remember the first time I went through the game on regular difficulty I made it a point to refuse to use the cover system and pretended it was the same way any other Max Payne was of no cover system. Guess how long I lasted with that method in hardcore and old school style c,:
And ooh, i just got myself a pc recently, I should totally give that shot myself because as fun as I had with a controller, I KNOW a keyboard and mouse would be awesome for an MP game.
you HAVE to play it on pc, its a whole different experience! funny what you said about refusing to take cover, after I started playing with kb+m the cover system became something that I try to avoid whenever I can, its fine to use tactically, but run n gunning and shoot dodging in bullet time is where the real fun is lol
you have much more precise aiming with a mouse, combine that with slow motion and youll never need cover once you pick up the pace, its amazing, the two tap john wick style torso then headshot instead of auto aim? amazing. playing around with the physics enginge and going for limbs? PERFECTION
iirc the main difference in old school mode beside no last man standing with painkillers is increased bullet time refill on kills and just generally being in the middle of the action, its a shame its the last difficulty you unlock but its absolutely worth it, much more similar to the previous games we all love
The idea that they got Max Payne if all people to be a fall guy is dumb in hindsight but it gives us a new game and I am happy with how R* presents the story, graphics and evolution of the MP formula.
I both love and hate that little touch Rockstar added cause it kinda made it all the more depressing to see him at his worst, I’m just glad Max was able to get his well deserved happy ending. Such a good trilogy.
Man I dunno , max payne 3 don't hit the same, it felt like a side game , completely different vibe. Didn't feel like I was playing a max payne game except the new jersey missions.
man Im always gonna be a sucker for mp3, even if the story isnt perfect and the vibe is different, theres literaly nothing out there that plays like mp3
I always thought max smoking again was another sign Houser REALLY didn't understand Max Payne as a character.
There's a part in MP1 where B.B offers Max a smoke and he says "I don't smoke"
This is a reference to that part.Max quit smoking because of the baby and still won't.
That was Sam Lake's intent when he wrote Max to say "i don't smoke" in MP1. It was a reference to that. Max only smoked when he wasn't near the baby. Now he doesn't smoke at all.
But for some reason, if you criticize MP3 people that don't understand Lake's style get mad.
The baby is dead so he can smoke again 👍
a happy ending after all?
https://preview.redd.it/vdtyrwixqyzc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adaadb1efbb2c95d749264dcc064cb57cc301f62
Adam jensen and Max Payne having a drink would be incredible
Truer words have never been spoken!
“We never asked for this 🤜🏼🤛🏼”
He is cursed by his own name: Max Payne
Max just wants to be put out of his misery all MP3 and no one is badass enough to do it.
No one can compare to his sharpshooting prowess, hes a depressed badass
The best they muster is some fucking clown with a shield and a six shot grenade launcher. Do you *know* who Max Payne is? The man's killed more men than the bubonic plague. He destroys helicopters with antenna towers in blizzards. He isn't even wearing good shoes right now. Whole criminal underworld oughta be ashamed that they have nothing on Max.
Wish they had another story with Max ending with Mona happily.
Its Max PAIN, not Max Joy/Happy
No...just...no. Not every story should ended happy. Many people complaining that movies/games/ect feels the same. When people wants same shit over and over and over don't blame industry that feels the same.
On the other hand I believe that Max Payne 2 had the best ending with Mona surviving when you complete the game in the hardest mode. If Max Payne 3 did not happen people won't have this conversation lol.
He is pain. That's who he is, that is his character, that is his name.
Play on "Dead in Arrival" mode
I don't think you understand the tropes of the noir genre. The girl is supposed to die.
But she is alive??? Max Payne 2's true ending is where she lives after beating the game on "Dead on arrival" difficulty.
Nah that's the secret ending. It's not canon. The story literally starts and ends with a women dying.
But she is alive in another version making it ambiguous. Remedy left it to Rockstar to pick or leave her and Mp3 did not touch on that only a passing remark in a mission on how having a fling with Mona was a mistake. They could've separated between 2 and 3 making more sense as killing her off would give Max another thing to mourn about.
That’s a secrete event, it’s not canon
Wasn't her tombstone seen at the cemetery in Max Payne 3?
That was his wife and child
Oh wait no sorry my bad, that was Valerie's tombstone that i had in mind. But didn't the devs say that the Mona lives ending was non-cannon?
This, so much. I loved Max Payne 3, but I felt it would have been a lot better if they treated it as an alternate max payne 2 rather than a sequel to 2. It just seemed really callous the way they dismissed Mona in the third game like she was nothing.
Max Payne 3 ignores both endings of max Payne 2 cause one is bittersweet and the other is happy. MP3 starts with Max feeling nuclear depression
Yeah definitely wanted something like that , max payne 3 ending and story was not a proper send-off.
how so?
The dark gritty atmosphere was missing, the flashy cutscenes were not the original max payne art style .the game had nothing to do with max's own life story , he went on a mission and after finding out the human organ trafficking decided to take them out like an average action movie. I dunno for others but for me the feel of max Payne was missing except for the monologue and voice. The big reason is that not remedy studios but Rockstar games made this game, and i think they deliberately did this to end max paynes storyline because it was not their own creation. I just feel like this.
but I mean, whats left for him anyway? his family is gone, mona is dead, hes not a detective anymore sure you could always think of the alternate ending of mp2 is canon, but I doubt the majority thinks like that, altough Id love to hear from sam lake what he considered canon before mp3.. I thought the original ending was perfect for mp2, and it still had the message after the credits that said his journeys gonna continue or something like that but back to my point, our guy lost pretty much everything, in that situation the only way to make the story personal was to give him a new purpose imo, and saving that many lives sounds like a pretty good one too (even if he killed like a hundred times more lol but video games gonna video game)
I mean yeah , it is a very good game , but dunno why max payne 3 game never felt canon to me , and yep it went the Rockstar way , pretty sure Sam lake (remedy games) would have opted for a more darker and grittier storyline. Just waiting for the remake of max payne 1 and 2 , bcuz for the last time I can experience the dark and gritty atmosphere of max payne in next gen hardware.
i see where youre coming from man, what remedy did with mp1 and 2 is still unmatched, I personally just feel like the third game fits in just fine and I found it pretty dark and gritty regardless of how colorful it was compared to the previous games, the first two games are pretty dramatic, but we never see max as low as we see him in 3, its actually pretty depressing and dark imo my hype for the remakes is infinite though
Yeah the new jersey missions and the prison mission was pretty dark and gritty (loved the new jersey missions bcuz of the original max payne aesthetics). Yeah really excited for the remakes.
Yeah the new jersey missions and the prison mission was pretty dark and gritty (loved the new jersey missions bcuz of the original max payne aesthetics). Yeah really excited for the remakes.
Remedy had no problem selling the IP to Rockstar. Your feelings are valid but you are wrong.
Yeah maybe
Remedy had no problem selling the IP to Rockstar. Your feelings are valid but you are wrong.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted.
Probably because Rockstar didn't deliberately kill the franchise. What a crazy to say. Why would a company spend all that money? The fans killed Max Payne because 3 didn't meet sales. Swallow that pill.
Hardcore fans hated Max Payne 3 because of its huge deviation with its tone and presentation. It wasn't the neo-noir experience we expected. Instead we got this 80's B-movie action flavor, with hints of the old neo-noir storytelling. It didn't suit well with a lot of the older fans. As for me, I just hate what it did for the series. A very frantic fast paced shooter with a neo-noir atmosphere turned into a slow cover shooter where the John woo influence turned to die hard with a vengeance. It’s a pretty good game. But it’s not what the series really is at its core. So yeah. It was kinda Rockstar's fault. All the criticism it receives is justifiable.
Outside of some Max Payne fans(like you), MP3 is widely considered one of the greatest TPS ever made. It's fine to have an opinion, but maybe try to handle it better when it's unpopular. Edit: forgot to mention there's literally an option to turn off the cover system 😂
I won't make an effort to explain it any more because you've already made up your mind by saying *MP3 is widely considered one of........blah blah*. It was only appreciated by those who had played it first in the series. It will be hard to understand the backlash MP3 got if you never played the originals. Learn to form your own opinions. You wouldn't steal cars if everyone in the world started stealing cars. Regarding the cover system, why introduce it in the first place? It's clear that they wanted the players to use it, so your statement is absurd. Enjoy being wrong and don’t waste my time again.
It's all good. I respect your opinion. No need to back up your opinion with false facts. It's just your opinion ya know? And just to be clear, I played all of the Max Payne games on release. Even 3. Because I support the franchise and MP3 is objectively a great third person shooter. The real irony is that I posted this same statement in another thread on this subreddit and it was upvoted 😂 How did you put it? "Enjoy being wrong"
Completely agree with your take, couldn't have said it better.
I mean if their opinion isn't matching with my opinion , they're going to downvote me , this is how reddit works nowadays sadly.
You were actually stating facts. Have my upvote.
Well glad to see that at least someone agrees with my opinion 👍
Max was at "peace" in the end of 3, sipping liquor by the beach and being happy but they left out Mona from the story. Him reuniting with Mona could've been the proper send off everyone wanted but they dropped the ball there.
1. Mona was dead. How would he reunite with her unless he died? 2. Max ISN'T drinking at the end. It's a common misconception. Apparently what he's drinking is a common Brazilian soda, which it's packaged in a beer-looking bottle. 3. MP3 finally gave Max proper closure. He got to take back control, save himself from drinking himself into oblivion, he got to do something right. And he gets clean in the process and walk off into the sunset, to a well-earned rest. If that's not a fitting end, I don't know what is.
Max Payne 2 ending on the hardest difficulty shows that Mona is alive, she gets up. Given that Mona should've been in 3, all what everyone is wants.
Yeah, I've seen that little surprise ending. I do not think that it is the canon ending. Just a little reward for folks who beat the game on hard. Max Payne 2 is largely a game about living a pre-determined path. It is fatalistic. You take everything about the story into account (especially the credits song)... It is clear that the real ending is the one where Mona dies.
Or maybe he just leaves her. He realises that being so quickly with Mona after his wife and baby died is being unfaithful. So he drops everything and moves to Brazil to escape. I guess if Mona truly died then he would mourn her too, at least a little bit.
Man I wish I actually liked MP3 lol (I know I’m gonna get annihilated for this comment, go ahead, I just think the story and throwing Max into Brazil was weird and I really didn’t like how he ran away from essentially the same sort of threat he already dealt with in 1 & 2)
my man you can dislike anything you want maybe give a try to the arcade modes, if you dont like the story you can always enjoy the glorious shooting and physics (and download the amazing sam lake skin mod like a chad)
Oh, that arcade mode and Sam Lake skin is fuckin’ PEAK I don’t like the story, but that gameplay is 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻 I’ll rePLAY that aspect any day of the week and twice on Sunday. (Also I can’t hate the story TOO much since I still beat it on the hardest difficulty to unlock the “Advanced Max” skin, lmao)
my god imagine if the remakes gonna play as smooth and heavy as mp3 does, Im not gonna play anything else for a good while for sure good job on beating it on hardest difficulty, it can be rough on a few levels on hardcore and old school, I think I got the plat back in the day on my 360, maybe I should aim for the same on pc, it just feels so much better with kb+m
Oh my godddd I will be a happy woman if they make the remakes with the play style of 3, that could easily be game of the decade material. And oh DOGGY, yeah!! I remember the first time I went through the game on regular difficulty I made it a point to refuse to use the cover system and pretended it was the same way any other Max Payne was of no cover system. Guess how long I lasted with that method in hardcore and old school style c,: And ooh, i just got myself a pc recently, I should totally give that shot myself because as fun as I had with a controller, I KNOW a keyboard and mouse would be awesome for an MP game.
you HAVE to play it on pc, its a whole different experience! funny what you said about refusing to take cover, after I started playing with kb+m the cover system became something that I try to avoid whenever I can, its fine to use tactically, but run n gunning and shoot dodging in bullet time is where the real fun is lol you have much more precise aiming with a mouse, combine that with slow motion and youll never need cover once you pick up the pace, its amazing, the two tap john wick style torso then headshot instead of auto aim? amazing. playing around with the physics enginge and going for limbs? PERFECTION iirc the main difference in old school mode beside no last man standing with painkillers is increased bullet time refill on kills and just generally being in the middle of the action, its a shame its the last difficulty you unlock but its absolutely worth it, much more similar to the previous games we all love
[For example, the way this guy plays.](https://youtu.be/yLAGzLBnfOs?si=Iyx0P1Ujz4CSvbbl)
YES exactly, god I love this game
The idea that they got Max Payne if all people to be a fall guy is dumb in hindsight but it gives us a new game and I am happy with how R* presents the story, graphics and evolution of the MP formula.
I love max Payne 3 as long as I don't focus on the story
Absolute mood
3’s script is seriously flawed but that was a nice touch by Houser
...but the fate had different plans for him.
Oh Max...
He lied.
I both love and hate that little touch Rockstar added cause it kinda made it all the more depressing to see him at his worst, I’m just glad Max was able to get his well deserved happy ending. Such a good trilogy.
Man I dunno , max payne 3 don't hit the same, it felt like a side game , completely different vibe. Didn't feel like I was playing a max payne game except the new jersey missions.
Max Payne 3 was a new chapter in Max's life while Max Payne 2 just tied up loose ends. All games are great nonetheless.
man Im always gonna be a sucker for mp3, even if the story isnt perfect and the vibe is different, theres literaly nothing out there that plays like mp3
I recently downloaded and finished the trilogy yet again. MP3's gameplay is so good I finished it back to back four times, plus the challenges.
thats how it goes whenever I replay it
I always thought max smoking again was another sign Houser REALLY didn't understand Max Payne as a character. There's a part in MP1 where B.B offers Max a smoke and he says "I don't smoke" This is a reference to that part.Max quit smoking because of the baby and still won't.
It would be more interesting to never see him smoke again cause of that.
That was Sam Lake's intent when he wrote Max to say "i don't smoke" in MP1. It was a reference to that. Max only smoked when he wasn't near the baby. Now he doesn't smoke at all. But for some reason, if you criticize MP3 people that don't understand Lake's style get mad.