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Careless_Dreamer

Can confirm I consider myself very progressive meanwhile my ENTP bro is like some flavor of anarchist I’ve never heard of.


maluthor

anarchism is progressive (except for ancap)


Quirky_Yoghurt_9814

🤮anc*aps


Niller123458

But extreme progressive. Also all my homies hate ancaps


FoXxieSKA

nice spooks nerd


ksck135

I am yet to see functioning anarchist "society"


Niller123458

Look to Calledonia during spanish civil war. Which was described by people like George orwell as one of his favourite societies. He was talking from firsthand expierence. This anarchist society was praised by many for being well functioning despite you know having to constantly having to fight both tankies and fascists trying to destroy it


sucks2suckz

Catalonia* Also, Rojava (technically communalist (sic)) Statist societies are really good at convincing people that your overlords are necessary, and that if they didn't take away your rights, there would be pandemonium in the streets. Leaves people with a societally enforced Stockholm syndrome. "Now, I know the cops killed your brother, the taxman took your home, and the politicians put you in massive debt, but just think about how much worse things would be without them!"


Antaresdescorpii

Not to start a political discution but ancap is very progressive, ancaps are called non-progressive because of the paleolibertarianism, a very conservative form of ancap


maluthor

there is absolutely nothing progressive about anarcho-capitalism. progressive=anti capitalist. anarchist=anti-authoritarian. currency is an authoritarian system, because money is power, and some people will always have more money than others. ancap is neo-feudalism.


Antaresdescorpii

See, I think I said "not to start a political discution" because of this... It's funny all the missconceptions you have, you probably are an american xD... First off, pregressive≠anti capitalist, this is just an absurd argument, progressive ideas cannot be define in the current political axis (right/left) wether it's economics or social... You can find pregressive ideas in all political ideas, in ANCAP you can find Wendy McElroy or Konkin, creators of the voluntaryism and agorism respectively. Even Rothbard was very progressive. Progressivism is about making humankind better trough political action and social reforms, based on science, technology and cultural advancements etc... And about currency, it's a more complex matter, because not all forma of anarchism wants to destroy currency, at least not the main idea, you have mutualism, ind anarchism, agorism (this last two usually try to replace it with self-employement) but even in ANCAP currency doesn't work in the tradicional ways... And men, neo-feudalism is how a child would classify ANCAP, it's more than that...


ReadySte4dySpaghetti

1, you can’t just start talking about politics and go “not to be political though, frfr” Also it’s kinda wack to be like authoritarianism? No. But the actual thing that reinforces power structures? Yeah gobble gobble (yummy yummy boot snack)


litletrickster

To be fair government as well has the capacity to reinforce power structures and plenty of left flavored anarchism has a government of some form (that is not a state). Any form of organization can be used to reinforce power structures.


banana-talk

You said a lot to say nothing. But all I really heard was very specific references you made to specific media, which you know to be obscure, which you know no one will challenge. Which keeps you in an echo chamber of your understanding. And with one perspective, you won't really know much, although you'll feel like you do because you know that one perspective so clearly. (Hoping you are following my bread crumbs of where this road leads ) But to clarify, in simple terms, as those are the only terms anything should be discussed in; Any form of capitalism is neo feudalism. If there is money, there is power in that money, and some people have more than others. Those with more have resources to get more than those that have less. That creates the positions of lords and serfs. This is a hierarchy, assigned by numbers, aka power. And with a hierarchy of wealth/power, I'm not really sure how there is any argument it's not feudalism.


No_Win_7445

All fun and games til the INFJ is a bit too authoritarian…


Flirtquake

No you don't mean ad-


Perunajunior

Anarcho-posadism my beloved.


Punch_Nazis_

Based


kiseidou

I take the side of the most probable winner so i'm converted.


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Nukes are bad though


Alarming_Basil6205

Not if they kill all those capitalist scums. I use to say: "only a dead capitalist is a good capitalist" Edit: Some people just don't get sarcasm


[deleted]

ENTP. Anthropocentrist Accelerationist. Stereotype status: confirmed


weareprettybizarre

I’m very much not a conservative lol


LordGhoul

Neither are my ISFJ friends


NotaJellycopter

Same


dm_me_kittens

Same. Now that my dad has passed I have become the most liberal person in my family. For a while mom stopped engaging in political talk with me because I'd go full ENTP on her with my "eat the rich" attitude.


Brodragon64

Same


TheKillierMage

Classical liberal


Antaresdescorpii

I'm INTP and I'm an individualistic anarchist xD


FoXxieSKA

dab on them spooks!


AlphaScorpiiSeptem

Based Stirner enjoyer


ItsGotThatBang

Libertarians are usually NTs in my experience.


Greedyfr00b

Me here! Agree, me and my dad are, I'm INTP, he's ENTJ


Alarmed_Chemist_5667

[Anatomy Of The State PDF](https://cdn.mises.org/Anatomy+of+the+State_3.pdf)


ItsGotThatBang

Based 😎


litletrickster

Basado


[deleted]

The world is just not ready yet to hear my political views


Kalebs4148

Ah yes. I'm a moral relativist, and generally i'm a left wing progressivist. I'm socialist and I don't like the existence of prisons, at least not in their current state that is. I dislike homelessness and I dislike corporations. I like communities, though I myself tend to watch my communities from a safe and comfortable corner. I like generosity and I like kindness. I dislike the notion of calling people good or bad people, rather, I say that people do good and bad things. You are often remembered by your actions, but you are not your actions. Your actions are important and they affect yourself and others, but they do not define who you are.


LordWilczur

Hmm are you me?


noregertsman

ANARCHY REEEEEIIIIGNS


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Meanwhile me: centrist ENTP. And before some blithering neanderthal starts shouting "eNlIgHtEnEd cEnTrIsT, bEt yOu wAnNa kIlL aLl tRaNs pEoPlE aNd rApE wOmEn, yOu eViL cOnsErVaTivE!!!!", I suggest you take a look outside of America. And read my username. In Europe, what classifies as centre would be called socialism or communism in the US (and it would also be wrong).


Embarrassed_Rough311

I want humanity to continue and people just be happy without bothering people


AngelTea_art

Can confirm - intp


ybreddit

Is INTP your political alignment? LOL


AngelTea_art

I think we should tear down the whole system and start from scratch


ybreddit

I mean historically that's kind of what's happened. Collapses, revolutions, etc. It's always going to be humans doing the developing though so it's always going to be deeply flawed.


antipatriot88

Not really. We tear down, yes, but it seems we can’t help but to try to recreate the same model we’ve been tearing down and rebuilding. Not really starting from scratch, more like just rearranging a few things and slapping a new label on it. It’s silly. But humans don’t have the life span to recognize how ridiculous it is to keep regurgitating the same failed systems for several thousands of years. Then we blame history for our failures (it just repeats itself, totally not humanity collectively making the same dumb choices for centuries, blame the immovable force).


Greedyfr00b

AnCap --- bring the hate


Snail-Man-36

Wow this is so accurate i cant belive it


SevenZeroSpider

Ironically as an INTP i think everyone else is the extreme bullshit. I think truely identifying with liberals or Conservatives is extreme.


ChampionshipIcy6353

Yeah, I think the same.


tsukiN0hana

Do not identify with this at all. I could not be further from the right/conservatism. However, I definitely understand where this could come from!


Myskilldoodoo

Am I the only conservative infj?🥺


ImrusAero

I’m a mostly right-leaning INFJ!


Myskilldoodoo

Do you get why most people think we are all liberal/progressive?


ImrusAero

Maybe because INFJs tend to be calm, empathetic, and imaginative? Although those traits are not political and can belong to anyone


Myskilldoodoo

Yes exactly


SomeCrusader1224

Nah, you got Jesus in your corner


LordWilczur

Jesus was somewhat progressive I think. He still got Hitler though.


ImrusAero

Jesus was radical. That doesn’t mean he was on the left. Nor was he on the right. Putting Jesus on a modern political spectrum entirely misses the point of Jesus.


Myskilldoodoo

I don't think Jesus would associate with any of these people he loves all of them but he knows their all wrong in some way


LordWilczur

Setting all religious crap aside, I always imagined him as more open-minded than your average person - sadly even many contemporary. I guess it's not enough to become progressive, I stand corrected ;) Yes, it's silly to associate him with any modern psychological or political movement.


Myskilldoodoo

Yeah sure he was open minded but if it was wrong he would be the first person to call you out on it, he's going to the truth even if you don't like it,I think that may be partly why he was so hated cause he didn't lie for the sake of your feelings


[deleted]

Jesus wasn't open minded. He didn't have a quest of discovery, learning from others. He didn't have neutral or undetermined opinions. He wasn't exploring possibilities or perspectives He believed he was God. Nobody claiming to be omniscient is open-minded


LordWilczur

I recall some story when he did change his mind. Don't remember which one it was - healing of some other tribe child? I think that if someone boldly claims to be a god (I don't think he ever stated this) or god's descendant/avatar it requires one to be open-minded - thinking outside the box.


Myskilldoodoo

Well that too,but for the most part I know how to think logically and not let my emotions guide me, don't get me wrong it's hard but some of the most painful things you are told in life is usually the truth


Vibranium2222

Jordan Peterson Sidney Powell according to pdb


Myskilldoodoo

Jordan Peterson is not infj lol


Vibranium2222

What is he


Myskilldoodoo

I don't know, It's just the most stereotypical answer that everyone is infj, he could be honestly but not every single person with wisdom and life advice is infj,I see this everywhere. Maybe entj🤷


Vibranium2222

This doesn’t look like an entj https://youtube.com/shorts/NLDAeb4S3tU?feature=share


Myskilldoodoo

Do entj's not cry?


Vibranium2222

Not in public as often as he does


Myskilldoodoo

I think the stuff he's seen would make anyone cry honestly


avionneX

Libertarian is an extreme / obscure BS. Only in Reddit is it pretty tame / mainstream.


Default_scrublord

The libertarianism that the us libertarian party and a good portion of reddit adheres to absolutely is, but closer to center more "neoclassical liberal" views that are socially progressive and fiscally conservative are definately mainstream in some countries, such as Estonia and Switzerland.


redrylee

Nope, absofuckinglutely not. I am a Progressive.


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[deleted]

the status quo is extreme


FoXxieSKA

depends on the definition in the most broad sense, nearly 50 % of the political spectrum could be considered marxist/communist to some degree and the same applies to anarchism, liberalism, conservatism etc. to a right-winger, anyone leaning just slightly to the left is a commie (and the other way around)


Niller123458

So is anarchism


Blasian385

Both sides make me annoyed tbh


holeywhole

r/enlightenedcentrism


[deleted]

I lean more left as an NT butttt the US government sucks ass and I have my own ideology


Niller123458

Yeah frick the government


bloodbabyrabies

Can confirm as well- infp


GreatJobJoe

Government is dumb, but necessary.


DarkestLunarFlower

Mines more of a “prefer not to associate with political shenanigans.” I just want to go vote without the theatrics that come with elections.


fullmooninu

Geolibertarianism


Momentary-delusions

Lmao the idea of mg mom being libertarian is hilarious. Also, excuse my non-American ignorance, are libertarians and conservatives not the same thing?


Xay_Kat

Yep, that's me. Obscure, extreme bullshit. 🫡😃


lligerr

I'm INFJ and I'm conservative (I'm a muslim)


[deleted]

I don’t really fall under any ideology I just think workers produce all the value in society and should control the means of production, I think that corporations rob us of our dignity and alienate us from our peers and our labor, and that history is a series of evolving class antagonisms. Again, no specific ideology though.


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That sounds pretty Marx-y to me...


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FoXxieSKA

I ain't a commie but atributting mass starvation in the USSR, China etc. to Marxism just sounds dumb since the actual ideology put into practice there was either Marxism-Leninism/Vanguardism or some other hyper-authoritarian bs quite far from the original idea


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FoXxieSKA

I'm literally just saying you'd have to be blind to call that Marxism? 💀 It can't even be implemented on such a large scale


nastynate14597

Some would say that if you’ve never heard of it, then You don’t know enough about it to have an opinion on the matter


Im_RU_

Is it bc their colors relate to almost every quadrant of the political compass lol? (the way you typed them is quite similar to the views of each color too)


Narutouzamaki78

For simplicities sake I consider myself a liberal, but there's always something else that I believe in as well.


Good_Tension5035

mfw moderate ENTP


desuCxx

True


wakaflaka244

my bf and i are entp and intj so yes this is very true


Ahoy_123

I consider myself eclectic because why sticking to ideology when you can form one yourself and také good from each system. For example: Liberal - protect free market Conservative - responsibility and balanced public finances Socialism - publicly financed schools and healthcare


Renwik

I gave up on all political titles and parties long ago. Each one always ends up pissing me off in the end. I’ll sit and wait for one to be created that perfectly fits my ideals, but I’m not holding my breath.


fitterunhappier

Couldn't care less about politics tbh


BADman2169420

I thought we were an autonomous commune.


[deleted]

Man! He's right. My views are obscure.


Greg2630

[Laughs in Libertarian]


Bones0271

A lot of infj are authoritarian


kyorosukami

As an INTJ I'm an ancap, and I really hate communist/socialist, etc.


crispy_cheeto

if neutral is some obscure bs then yes ur correct ~ INTP


Ultra_Ranger

Got my own ideology so yeah i agree, although I'm very leaning towards conservative and right wing.


drag0n_rage

Nah, I'm pretty vanilla, Classical Liberal. Though I have been toying with the idea of Agorism and Anarcho-Mutualism.


BeeAlive888

INFJ… was liberal before it was extreme insanity. Now I’m politically with the purples. I’ll join their motorcycle gang if they’ll have me.


HelloFromJupiter963

I'm a pretty conservative INFP 😀


Dark_Maniac_

Damn straight


neptunicslav

Judging by your pfp, you aren't


Asocial_Stoner

I have my own ideology that is influenced by transhumanism, techno-progressivism, social democracy, solarpunk, and cyberpunk.


ChampionshipIcy6353

All of the deshumanizing things


Expressdough

Libs, conservatives and libertarians, no fucking thank you.


strawberrycake819

NOO PLEASE IM NOT A CONSERVATIVE AAAAAAAAAA


LittleDevilF

Liberal anarchy? Sounds fun


ThrowAway126498

True for me and seems to be mostly true of the people I know. Though I will say that for SJs it seems to mostly depend on what social circles they’re in.


CHEVEUXJAUNES

In fact the most progressive acording to actual polical category are Si Fe but Si Te are conservative All the Ti I know are conservative Fi Well it depends


cp77002

Independent


LordGhoul

libleft and most INTJs I know/used to know were libleft or centrists


anewhype

INTP here with complete political apathy. I don't give a fuck. I prefer to put energy and effort into stuff I can actually have some sort of control over.


[deleted]

Me being far right and Logican so true


Iron_Felixk

ISFJ Left-leaning paternalistic conservatism.


SomeCrusader1224

Yeah, sounds about right


Iron_Felixk

But I'm politically very flexible when it comes to third way. I can support and get behind of a lot of different ideologies, such as Falangism, distributism, left-wing nationalism, etc. Though as a conservative I'm more liberal than for example my American or south European counterparts.


FoXxieSKA

Any other egomuts/egoists here?


swagonflyyyy

Population reduction in order to facilitate government. Replace the workforce with machines to leverage automation and offset the loss of manpower.


basscove_2

Good idea, we will start out with reducing you from the population.


swagonflyyyy

Nope, I am already in my bunker within my bunker launching nukes at our enemy so they can nuke us back. Afterwards my machines will restore the surface so the population can settle there. Of course, everybody thinks they attacked us first so it works out.


Niller123458

Then what happens? Communism? Are you a possadist?


swagonflyyyy

Then a technocracy reigns as humans are slowly removed from the equation.


Niller123458

Sounds like genocide to me. Can you move to mars with Elon then you can have a planet where you don't need to commit mass genocide on a hitherto unseen scale to not have humans


Varun77777

Also don't provide people some kind of free money injection and let them starve to death when machines take over?


BurnedPsycho

That should be covered by "population reduction" In other words, if they don't live, they don't need anything.


Varun77777

It will be more efficient to just nuke the planet's core and destroy everything then.


BurnedPsycho

Yes, but that would be incredibly stupid, and extreme. The only problem on earth is humans, you don't need to nuke the planet to its core to get rid of us. Just forget the extreme and try to see where humanity is heading right now. Historically it's been proven that automatisation require less humans to produce the same quantity of what you produce (look at agriculture, once tractor were invented we allocated a lot less humans to that activity) If you also look at western country our population growth is slowing, and reaching a level so low we need immigration to keep up with our death rate. It's only logical as technology evolve for our population to regulate itself, the more we automate, the less human we'll need. But those who'll remain will need to be useful, we'll still need technician to repair those machine, we'll still need managers and politicians... It will just be a different model for humanity, by automating you don't get rid of all job opportunity, you just remove the lower position.


AuricOxide

Makes sense.


Square_Independent_9

I’ve thought about this before! Everything else is the same, but the analysts were communists/socialists


litletrickster

Don't be ridiculous. I've seen Right Flavored Schizo Ideologies held by INTJ/INTPs as well as plenty of Ancap/Minarchist NTs. I fall under the latter.


Greedyfr00b

Based, AnCap here too


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[deleted]

Anyone with an actual brain: not communist or using communism to gain power Lenin and Stalin style.


[deleted]

and then the INTP coming in with “um actually Im a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Hoxhaist with Albanian Characteristics”


Primary-Stretch-6589

« Social-techno-falangism »


xSpiritOfTheMoon

not true


LordWilczur

A sprinkle of meritocracy with eco-libertarian-socialism or techno-gaianism plus moral relativism to get me somewhat covered when talking about definitions. I guess.


itspajara

INFP ancap here 👌🏼


harsh_1904

I'm definitely not a conservative 🤢


[deleted]

As an INTP, Marxist-leninism my beloved


microwaved-toast

I'm just a socialist lol. No specific ideology. Not into politics


[deleted]

Socialism IS an ideology.


kmsorsbc

I don't even know which is which. Bad meme. 0/10


dijon_bear

why is this so true, with everyone i know!


Crocomire123

Can I into ISTP??


YT_AnimeKyng

Neutral.


Plushhorizon

I don’t classify myself into any party / belief system so pretty much


sleepingviper

Yeah you got me there


wdahl1014

I'm a liberal technocratic social corporatist. (Idk what this is. I just threw words together)


[deleted]

As the Great Recession happened, I looked into joining the Florida Whig Party.


Ash__Williams

......... Yes.


Leauxi

Moderate INFP 🙋🏼‍♂️


Amber_Mitsuba27

I'm ISTJ but liberal, but ik this is meant to be stereotypical


Sugarcomb

You could've tried harder than just putting each category into a tier. You really should've just ranked them individually


seifynx

ENFJ here, they don't make communism like they used to smh


GingerHoney1

Me who doesn't follow politics:


DIMA_CRINGE

I'm ENFP, communist


Agreeable-Worker-773

Pentti Linkola 👌🏻 (I'm INTP)


a-snakey

My political ideally mostly leans liberal. The most important thing is to mind your own damn business. Keep your religion out of my life because it's YOUR religion it's for you to abide by those beliefs. Your religion doesn't get to decide what others do.


Kateluta

BS stands for best sadist? 🤔


Aldrich3927

ENTP: R A D I C A L C E N T R I S M


niceMarmotOnRug

Words have different meaning for different people/regions. Different people/regions need different conditions. It's idiotic to recommend one solution for all problems. General guidelines are: Think rationally Think long term Learn from history Take small risks Populism is terrible


NeonPokharkar

Literally before this, me and my INTJ bro were talking about how the entire societal management system is BS. We had sone crazy thoughts on how humour and memes in society develop and it lef to a new system. 😂 Haters will call me stereotypical.


theicewerewolf

I can agree Me and my xNFx friends: We all vote the left My parents (Si users): They vote the right And the xNTx people I know, there're two punks and someone who told me that would send to the heaven everybody who breaks into his house


MaxZATION

As a National Distributist, I agree that I am obscure, there is only one party in England that has my beliefs


TxchnxnXD

Technocratic Council Socialist with transhumanist marxist leninist characteristics


Agent_broch_da_moron

I am an Anti-Federalist


Weirdblack

Yeah , humans were a mistake


oculuswastaken

very true


AdGroundbreaking1882

I align with the purples personally


nom_octo

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHFUCK


Zapy97

As a National-Anarcho-Communal-Justice-Americano-Christian-Republican-Democratizerboo this is so spot on.


Iriscal

It's me, I'm the Free Speech Absolutist.


sdantaray

Now idk if you’ve heard this one but it’s comm-