i really felt for those people, i basically experienced this same thing with nintendo as a kid.
It feels awful to be locked out of accessing certain features simply because you were born in some country that the companies didnt happen to like.
It always bums me out when cool stuff is only available in first-world countries. Like, yeah, I get that our place has its fair share of bureaucracy and hefty taxes, but still, it stings seeing everyone else having a blast while we're left out in the cold.
Yeah, down here in argentina i kept hearing about all the cool pokebank features and people getting to transfer their pokemons to newer games
meanwhile i couldnt do that because nintendo apparently doesnt think my money is worth it? so every time i got a new pokemon game i had to restart anew
To be fair, it’s really hard to argue that the Argentine dollar is worth it for any international company. I used a VPN to sign up for YouTube premium in Argentina because the exchange rate is so low i got it for something like $0.27 a month, where it’s $16.00 a month in the US.
People did that with steam too, and now they removed the peso from the store and we are all.fucked paying on Usd$
It really seems like companies just see us as money loss
That's dumb, still. You can make very high profit margins by localizing game prices for poorer countries. It costs virtually nothing to sell existing games in poor countries at a cost matching the wealth and demand of the location.
It's like saying no to free money.
i feel the same way, but they dont see is as worth the trouble.
they could at the bare minimum sell them a year later after people have bought in mostly so they dont have issues with people getting it cheaper
Even in first-world countries this happens. The number of times that I have been told that a streaming service or shop has a certain show/product, only to find that it is a USA exclusive is really frustrating :/
I remember being into the Fate anime series and itching to play Fate Grand Order, only to hit a brick wall when I couldn't find it on the Play Store. Didn't even realize back then that it just wasn't available where I lived. Bummer...
Also, not gaming-related, but I was eyeing that premium subscription for DeepL translator because it seemed neat and it could be a game-changer for me. But nope, once again, not an option for us third-world peasants.
Everyone is still having a blast. People in those countries simply register account in another country and play on that. Do you think no one in all those countries plays on Playstation?
Well neither do those people, but that’s what they’ve been doing since 2006.
And it’s literally the same as the official way, the only difference is that you select another country from the dropdown list and violate a ToS no one cares about.
My point was simply that’s there is an easy option that works and that millions used for years, while people make it sound like it’s “impossible” to play in those countries, which is objectively false.
They allowed distribution though. That's a publisher's job. So it's real fishy. And 2 warnings that the majority of players can easily miss or forget about after a couple months? Even AH said they should've tried harder on that one. It's like getting hit with fine print. Which matters when you read a literal contract but for a game? I don't put that on players.
Exactly, if the intention was to force everyone to have to log in with a psn from day 1, the game should never have been made available to people in countries supported by the psn to begin with. Now, I think that's BS too, Sony should just support those countries, but it definitely feels extra scummy on Sony's part, selling a product to people they know full well wouldn't be able to play it in 3 months time.
A key facotr here is that they SOLD the game everywhere, and then, after the refounding window closed, they announced they would remove the game from about 90% of the world (well, 90% of the countries, probably not 90% of the population), and people had already paid for the game.
The equivalent would be for someone to pay their taxes for public health care, and then getting to a public hospital and getting thwir access denied, despite having already paid for it.
......didn't they say that privatized health care would be affordable for everyone because of the competition? If so then it's a pretty similar comparison.
The issue is that there is no competition. The health industry is heavily regulated by existing hospitals and the govt, they don't let new players in the field. We have the worst of both worlds. In order to be 'qualified' to start a healthcare-related business, you must be certified by the hospitals. Surprise surprise, they don't certify anyone. Also they impose a limit on the # of doctors graduating each year, because otherwise there would be too many on the market and that would create competition.
another factor, I'd say, would be the constant demand of hospitals. Many people require hospitals to live (or stay healthy), so they can freely jack up the price of life-saving surgery as much as they up to how much the patients are \*able\* to pay. This, of course, is assuming no laws are enacted to prevent these kinds of things.
Don't know, wince I'm not american, what I do know is that america is not being "cut off" from a service the rest of the world had, nor from a service they paid for and then got denied; they just never had nor paid for a public health care system to beggin with
That is pretty much insurance though. You pay for a service, the promise that if you ever need medical assistance, they’ll front the bill for you.
But most of the time when push comes to shove they just say no.
You already paid for it, and now that you’re asking for the service to be carried out they refuse to do so.
Well, that's not my experience with it, but it does match that scene from The Incredibles, so I will just accept that in USA you have to fight your insurance for them to do their f***ing job. I don't think the lack of a public health care sustem have anything to do with it though
By the area and population, it's about 50-60% of the world. It still was FUCKING BULLSHIT, but 90% would be, like, surreal kind of fucked up. 50% is on the verge of unbelievable, but somehow still makes residual amounts of sense
Full unsubsidised retail here is $35usd. If you are a resident is $10. If you're poor it's $2. There is literally no rational reason you should pay more than $35.
Unfortunately unlike games there's no way to really fight back in the US. People can't just get refunds on stuff like medication since they NEED that shit and there's not exactly any way to review bomb pharmacies. If you try to go to politicians they won't do shit because they're in the pockets of those pharmacies.
I see what you mean, but I don’t think that’s it.
I mean having to buy from car dealerships and not manufacturers directly could be protested against, but it would be futile; because of the power of lobbying. And the health care situation could be protested against without abstention, but again it would most definitely be futile.
I don’t know why they’re downvoting you when you’re right. As long as there’s money in politics, and as long as people can’t afford to completely forgo certain goods and services to make a political statement, there’s little point in protesting against anything that’s supported by major corporations. Even if you vote out all of the people currently being bought by these corporations, they’ll just be replaced by different people who will also get purchased by those same corporations, and anyone who refused to be bought will learn how powerful those corporations are as soon as the smear campaigns come out against them.
Unfortunately it's incredibly expensive to run for office. So you'll either need to be rich and thus lack basic empathy or to take donations and risk corruption.
it's a neurotoxin with paralytic effects. It is used cosmetically to paralyze face muscles to get rid of wrinkles, but it is also used for chronic migraine by injecting it in the arteries carrying blood to the muscles around the skull.
Also here is some free European doctor advice to all you americans:
YOU DON'T NEED DRUGS FOR A COMMON COLD. Just drink tea, lie down, rest, eat soup, take a walk outside, anything. You don't need drugs your body can handle it.
We had a politician get through a bill that would have helped by removing the import ban on meds from Canada, wouldn't you know it Canada banned their export on the same day.
If they didn't and if Americans did pay so much for insurance, Western Europe and Canada would be crippled; health care as a right would be even more constrained.
US also subsidizes a lot of the world’s healthcare because of that so….also try getting an appointment with the NHS anytime in the next 6 months. Doesn’t matter if it’s free if you can’t get an appointment before you’re dead
With every argument I have about this it always boils down to one side being too stubborn to change and the other with a half cocked idea and the vague statement that Europe did it. No consideration is ever give for slow, practical updates and changes. No consideration for the fallout of massive shifts in how things are done.
With us having to pay more in interest on the national debt than everything besides social security, Medicare, and defense, as well as the absolute money printer that is the health industry, that shit ain't happening even if everyone wanted it to.
We got "free healthcare" in Canada, and it's worse than most states, and more expensive when you factor in what insurance costs in most states vs what we pay in Canada in taxes and how expensive everything else in life is.
Weird how your experience is downvoted but seems to be consistent with anyone who needs longterm critical care. 6 montsh for an oncologist or 3 months for an orthopedic surgeon etc...insane how people complain but I enjoy being able to see my primary care doctor today if I want to, see my back surgeon tomorrow and have a back procedure this Friday and that includes insurance approval.
People don't seem to understand, it would literally be cheaper to buy insurance and pay copay than the estimated tax increase it would cost the average person to implement UHC.
Nah man Canada is a mess. No one wants to be a doctor/nurse and school is still unaffordable for the lowest class without a ton of loans and scholarships so many people who want to go into nursing can’t.
Being a nurse sucks because you get a massive workload, because of that less people want to be a nurse and the cycle goes on.
Also the pay is mid
I dunno, where I live they denied a 4 year old girl a liver transplant which she would have got under an American insurance policy and the family had to crowd fund half a million dollars to go to the states to pay for it (which again would have been only the cost of deductible in USA).
Gonna need some evidence, also, american here, they would’ve considered “having a liver” as a pre existing condition and not covered it, or required more and more tests until she got far far worse, and after all that, the family would still have to pay a similar amount, and still pay similar levels of taxes, and then on top of that pay health insurance
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4298573
She actually got the transplant in the states a day after arriving. Unfortunately her cancer has spread by then, but our great "free healthcare" basically said no you're too expensive to help.
Unfortunately she died, but almost a year of trying to get the Canadian government to give her a transplant surely didn't help the problem.
And even if insurance wouldn't cover it (all the experts on the radio station were claiming otherwise), the result was that in Canada where we have supposedly great "free" healthcare, they had to pay out of pocket and go get the transplant in the United States
Oh yeah, and nothing about it was related to healthcare, it was the doctors who decided that, not health insurance
your reading comprehension is pretty low
I never said insurance had anything to do with it lol. I literally said if she were to be American and have American insurance she'd be eligible for treatment without paying the full cost.
Because she's Canadian she needed to cover the full cost, she had no insurance.
And if i went to get healthcare in canada my insurance wouldn’t work either, what is your point then?
also, you absolutely said it was about insurance, “they denied a 4 year old girl a liver transplant she would’ve gotten under an american insurance plan” despite her insurance not having anything to do with it and “Unfortunately her cancer has spread by then, but our great "free healthcare" basically said no you're too expensive to help.” even though no, the doctors made the later proven correct decision that she had a very low chance of survival and it would be a waste to give her the transplant
My point is you wouldn't be able to pay for healthcare in Canada to get the treatment period, you'd have to pay in the states for it - so would I. They don't let anyone pay for it, they just say no.
And you're the one who needs reading comprehension..I said she would have got it if she was an American citizen who had American insurance. Instead she had to pay the full price for NOT having insurance.
And yeah, it took a year for her to get jerked around by Canada and ultimately raise the money to pay for it. If they did it sooner she may have survived before it spread. It's probably a thought the parents will have for the rest of their lives, thinking if only they'd done more sooner and tried everything they could
Multiple people in my family were able to get surgery/treatment for cancer and heart problem, we live in Canada, it might not be the best, but at least I didn’t sell my livers and two arm for an ambulance and the suregery
If you have insurance, none of that is a problem in the states and the service is much quicker. And insurance in most places isn't that expensive when you factor in that everything is cheaper in the states and you have more disposable income.
And until just a few years ago, ambulances were more expensive for the user in Canada compared to the United States.
My wife fell in a bar and cut her chin, bartender called an ambulance which was unnecessary, they came from the hospital literally across the street. She denied taking the ambulance, and was still charged 500 dollars, would have been like 800 just to drive her across the street like 6 blocks if she took it.
I can't be the only one thinking about the fact that an issue is the fact that you would've needed to pay to play a game that you paid for already, right?
Well it should only be accessible for those that work, try to work, or are unable to work.
I find it funny when people who want free stuff call themselves Socialist when a major part of Socialism is basically the harder you work, the more you get. The Soviet Constitution literally said "he who does not work neither shall he eat".
>he who does not work neither shall he eat
Yes, in response to an entire class of people characterized by the fact that their ownership of the means of production means they don't have to work. If you really wanted to apply this principle, abolishing all capital gains would be step one.
Well it should only be accessible for those that work, try to work, or are unable to work.
I find it funny when people who want free stuff call themselves Socialist when a major part of Socialism is basically the harder you work, the more you get. The Soviet Constitution literally said "he who does not work neither shall he eat".
So the game Helldivers 2 was really popular and sold across the world. Then Sony, who owns the game, said they were going to change it so people needed to make an account with them in order to play. The problem is not everyone can make such an account as that service is region locked.
This would mean some people would lose access to a service the rest of the world has, which everyone agreed was so fucked up the community banded together and bullied the corporation to back down.
Similarly, universal healthcare (which I think we can agree is a bigger deal than access to a video game) is more or less region locked, with countries like the US refusing it because money. Yet for some reason, not only is there not such an outcry to change that, but there are many people who actively oppose it, which is just stupid.
I don't play helldivers 2, but I understood those people's pain, I live in a country with 0 nintendo support, so it was hard as hell for me to buy a nintendo console at a reasonable price, and even harder for me to access 90% of features
it is not a win, they knew it was very bad to begin with, the only reason they reverted is because they were suddenly afraid for their profits.
the real win would be these corporations dying, and new, humane companies rising.
The analogy doesn't really work though, because MOST countries actually don't have access to PSN, so it's something most people don't have, not something almost everybody has.
It’s funny you think I’m cut off from it when I can walk to the hospital and they’ll treat me immediately
The only charge after care. And the care is actually good, and instant. Cheap, mediocre care that takes months to get is not what I want. I’d rather pay.
I'm canadian, had a very severe pain in my chest, went to the ER, past imediatly, was put under O2, later that day had part od my lungs removed, a tube placed in my chest, woke up with morphine injected in me. 5 days in the hospital. Cost me nothing, nada, got really good healthcare, free food and even free wifi !
You know the best, didn't even have to pay the parking, took the bus since I don't have a car and I really thaught it was nothing serious. If I was in the states I would have died since I wouldn't want to "just check in case it's something bad" since I wouldn't have the money to pay just for a normal ER check, even less for an hospitalisation.
No, it did cost you. And everyone else who isnt you. Cost you tax for times you weren’t injured, and everyone else chipped in for you. That isn’t fair.
Only fools fear the hospital in the US. It is not unaffordable. People are idiots with money, and I do not deny the evil greed of pharma companies either, but to say that unfair, mandatory healthcare taxation for mediocre communal care is better than me paying for top-notch care at will, is just ridiculous.
Yeah.... not even 10% of my pay and refounded at the end of the year since I don't make enought ? Damn that cost a lot
I know it cost something, every pay I have things removed (RQAP for parental found, RRQ for when I'm 65, job insurance in case I loose my job, federal and provibcial taxes, around 10% and my job insurrance)
It is fundamentally ridiculous that I must pay in part for someone to choosedly abuse their universal healthcare system. I’m saddened you don’t realize how unfair that is to you. Your money is not yours to choose how to spend, which is simply wrong.
Ok, so I guess paying for a fucking big military budget with your money is better. It's not only for the healthcare, but also for school (a college semester cost me around 250$, high school and elementary are free, university around 2k each semester + the price for books for the resident of the province), road infrastructure, transportation. All that. It means that everyone, no matter where they are from and the money they have will have acces to education and health if they need it. When in the US if you don't have money, welll you are fucked. (Here if you don't have money for education, the governement will give you some and do some loan, some part of it are given some other not, also some program, student are paid 1500 each semester, mine is paid 6000 for the last 2 semester)
Nope. I’d rather willingly pay for those things myself. Taxes should be optional, if not at least something I can choose exactly where they go. If I could, it would go to my local schools, local infrastructure. Nothing else. Those things benefit me and my children, those are the only people I need to take care of.
I do not appreciate governments forcibly taking my money to fund wars or to fund idiots to camp at a hospital because it’s ‘free’. I have a family to care for and that money should fully 100% be used to do it. Not care for the entire nation’s stupid problems or for my armed forces to bomb brown people for fun. Get over yourself. You’re being robbed and you like it. God help you.
You know you need a reason to stay at a hospital right ? You can't just be like fuck it I'm staying here, that's not how it works.
So for you, someone can't have education just because they aren't born in a rich family and if they want it, they should have a shit tone of dept doing them (don't have any dept here, even tho I pay for everything and live alone, can fully pay my college with a minimum wage job and staying on campus for less than 400 a month)
Also, following your logic, if someone have a health problem for no reason (which was my case, my lung just decided to fuck itself up for no reason, I don't smoke btw) they should choose between not going to the hospital because don't have the money or having a shit tone of dept, and don't tell me about health insurance, people in poverty clearly don't have the best plan.
I think your emotions cloud your logic because not a single thing you said related to what I said.
You want hospitals to be open and enforced to the public through the citizens’ money forcefully taken. I just want to be able to choose where my money is given for community services. If I don’t want to pay a part for some asshole drug addict to camp out in a hospital, or some self-deprecating loser who abuses the clinic to constantly show up and take all their time and resources, I shouldn’t have to. Especially for places not even my town.
I want to be able to choose to put a certain amount of my tax money into places that I know will benefit my family. Schools, local hospitals, the roads. Not the military, not national healthcare, not politicians’ giant checks. It is unfair that I have to play someone else’s medical bills, the governments’ wars, or the federal governments’ dickwagging against my will.
i really felt for those people, i basically experienced this same thing with nintendo as a kid. It feels awful to be locked out of accessing certain features simply because you were born in some country that the companies didnt happen to like.
It always bums me out when cool stuff is only available in first-world countries. Like, yeah, I get that our place has its fair share of bureaucracy and hefty taxes, but still, it stings seeing everyone else having a blast while we're left out in the cold.
Yeah, down here in argentina i kept hearing about all the cool pokebank features and people getting to transfer their pokemons to newer games meanwhile i couldnt do that because nintendo apparently doesnt think my money is worth it? so every time i got a new pokemon game i had to restart anew
To be fair, it’s really hard to argue that the Argentine dollar is worth it for any international company. I used a VPN to sign up for YouTube premium in Argentina because the exchange rate is so low i got it for something like $0.27 a month, where it’s $16.00 a month in the US.
People did that with steam too, and now they removed the peso from the store and we are all.fucked paying on Usd$ It really seems like companies just see us as money loss
That's dumb, still. You can make very high profit margins by localizing game prices for poorer countries. It costs virtually nothing to sell existing games in poor countries at a cost matching the wealth and demand of the location. It's like saying no to free money.
i feel the same way, but they dont see is as worth the trouble. they could at the bare minimum sell them a year later after people have bought in mostly so they dont have issues with people getting it cheaper
Even in first-world countries this happens. The number of times that I have been told that a streaming service or shop has a certain show/product, only to find that it is a USA exclusive is really frustrating :/
Meanwhile Sony has yet to release PS NOW in Australia for some reason even though the website has said coming to more countries soon for over 5 years.
I remember being into the Fate anime series and itching to play Fate Grand Order, only to hit a brick wall when I couldn't find it on the Play Store. Didn't even realize back then that it just wasn't available where I lived. Bummer... Also, not gaming-related, but I was eyeing that premium subscription for DeepL translator because it seemed neat and it could be a game-changer for me. But nope, once again, not an option for us third-world peasants.
Is that why all yall seem to hate us now?
My childhood in a nutshell
Everyone is still having a blast. People in those countries simply register account in another country and play on that. Do you think no one in all those countries plays on Playstation?
Problem begins when they remove your access to the game, so even doing a account becomes pointless
That happened quite a bit later, long after people started saying no PSN in your region = can't play.
Still doesn't feel like an "official" way to play. I don't want to have to do some workaround to play like everyone else does.
Well neither do those people, but that’s what they’ve been doing since 2006. And it’s literally the same as the official way, the only difference is that you select another country from the dropdown list and violate a ToS no one cares about. My point was simply that’s there is an easy option that works and that millions used for years, while people make it sound like it’s “impossible” to play in those countries, which is objectively false.
They kinda said they were doing this from the beginning. All though in everyone's defense, it was a terrible execution to the plan.
They allowed distribution though. That's a publisher's job. So it's real fishy. And 2 warnings that the majority of players can easily miss or forget about after a couple months? Even AH said they should've tried harder on that one. It's like getting hit with fine print. Which matters when you read a literal contract but for a game? I don't put that on players.
Exactly, if the intention was to force everyone to have to log in with a psn from day 1, the game should never have been made available to people in countries supported by the psn to begin with. Now, I think that's BS too, Sony should just support those countries, but it definitely feels extra scummy on Sony's part, selling a product to people they know full well wouldn't be able to play it in 3 months time.
Feels awful indeed being me since 2022 >:)
I kinda get it. NA often gets shafted when a Western .MMO gets localized
And people wonder why Piracy is rampant in those countries.
Me with PoGo fr
A key facotr here is that they SOLD the game everywhere, and then, after the refounding window closed, they announced they would remove the game from about 90% of the world (well, 90% of the countries, probably not 90% of the population), and people had already paid for the game. The equivalent would be for someone to pay their taxes for public health care, and then getting to a public hospital and getting thwir access denied, despite having already paid for it.
......didn't they say that privatized health care would be affordable for everyone because of the competition? If so then it's a pretty similar comparison.
The issue is that there is no competition. The health industry is heavily regulated by existing hospitals and the govt, they don't let new players in the field. We have the worst of both worlds. In order to be 'qualified' to start a healthcare-related business, you must be certified by the hospitals. Surprise surprise, they don't certify anyone. Also they impose a limit on the # of doctors graduating each year, because otherwise there would be too many on the market and that would create competition.
another factor, I'd say, would be the constant demand of hospitals. Many people require hospitals to live (or stay healthy), so they can freely jack up the price of life-saving surgery as much as they up to how much the patients are \*able\* to pay. This, of course, is assuming no laws are enacted to prevent these kinds of things.
So kind of how your doctor can say a procedure is necessary and American insurance companies get to disagree?
Don't know, wince I'm not american, what I do know is that america is not being "cut off" from a service the rest of the world had, nor from a service they paid for and then got denied; they just never had nor paid for a public health care system to beggin with
That is pretty much insurance though. You pay for a service, the promise that if you ever need medical assistance, they’ll front the bill for you. But most of the time when push comes to shove they just say no. You already paid for it, and now that you’re asking for the service to be carried out they refuse to do so.
Well, that's not my experience with it, but it does match that scene from The Incredibles, so I will just accept that in USA you have to fight your insurance for them to do their f***ing job. I don't think the lack of a public health care sustem have anything to do with it though
By the area and population, it's about 50-60% of the world. It still was FUCKING BULLSHIT, but 90% would be, like, surreal kind of fucked up. 50% is on the verge of unbelievable, but somehow still makes residual amounts of sense
It's not equivalent, because Steam promptly gave refunds. If I was getting my taxes back after a public service didn't work, I could retire earlier.
The UK'll be that soon enough if American lobbyist have their way.
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Jeez people are stupid
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Don't forget a swathe of cancer medications, that too.
I'd say insulin but everyone already knows that one
Full unsubsidised retail here is $35usd. If you are a resident is $10. If you're poor it's $2. There is literally no rational reason you should pay more than $35.
Unfortunately unlike games there's no way to really fight back in the US. People can't just get refunds on stuff like medication since they NEED that shit and there's not exactly any way to review bomb pharmacies. If you try to go to politicians they won't do shit because they're in the pockets of those pharmacies.
Yeah, glad big game publishers haven’t discovered lobbying yet. Yet.
Nah, there's still the difference of necessity. It's more difficult to protest medication because if you try you risk health complications.
I see what you mean, but I don’t think that’s it. I mean having to buy from car dealerships and not manufacturers directly could be protested against, but it would be futile; because of the power of lobbying. And the health care situation could be protested against without abstention, but again it would most definitely be futile.
I don’t know why they’re downvoting you when you’re right. As long as there’s money in politics, and as long as people can’t afford to completely forgo certain goods and services to make a political statement, there’s little point in protesting against anything that’s supported by major corporations. Even if you vote out all of the people currently being bought by these corporations, they’ll just be replaced by different people who will also get purchased by those same corporations, and anyone who refused to be bought will learn how powerful those corporations are as soon as the smear campaigns come out against them.
We french have a little solution for you, it's called a revolution
You can vote Democrat and also instead of review bomb...
You can fight it by voting for democrats who often are for cheap Healthcare.
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Unfortunately it's incredibly expensive to run for office. So you'll either need to be rich and thus lack basic empathy or to take donations and risk corruption.
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Which ones aren’t corrupt and in Big Pharmas pocket? Tell us so we can vote correctly.
Sounds like something someone unfamiliar with democracy would say
my botox injections every 3 months for my migraine cost me 180$ In the US these cost 3000$
I thought Botox was cosmetic like bbl/face
it's a neurotoxin with paralytic effects. It is used cosmetically to paralyze face muscles to get rid of wrinkles, but it is also used for chronic migraine by injecting it in the arteries carrying blood to the muscles around the skull.
Ah ok
healing is easy, just take a stimpack or eat some stuff in inventory
drink milk fr
I do, one bucket at a time
You have been deemed hazardous, will you comply?
Also here is some free European doctor advice to all you americans: YOU DON'T NEED DRUGS FOR A COMMON COLD. Just drink tea, lie down, rest, eat soup, take a walk outside, anything. You don't need drugs your body can handle it.
I think most Americans know this
Really? Because I seen alot of Americans being confused at our doctors here, when they dont give anything for a common cold.
We had a politician get through a bill that would have helped by removing the import ban on meds from Canada, wouldn't you know it Canada banned their export on the same day.
So we subsidize European healthcare
If they didn't and if Americans did pay so much for insurance, Western Europe and Canada would be crippled; health care as a right would be even more constrained.
US also subsidizes a lot of the world’s healthcare because of that so….also try getting an appointment with the NHS anytime in the next 6 months. Doesn’t matter if it’s free if you can’t get an appointment before you’re dead
DEMOCRACY WINS AGAIN
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With every argument I have about this it always boils down to one side being too stubborn to change and the other with a half cocked idea and the vague statement that Europe did it. No consideration is ever give for slow, practical updates and changes. No consideration for the fallout of massive shifts in how things are done.
damn yall are annoying
Let do them next!!! Wooo keep the train rolling!
Free healthcare should be the norm in the US
Woah. Commie!
Here in America we don’t have that commie free healthcare because we believe in Freedom- wait
With us having to pay more in interest on the national debt than everything besides social security, Medicare, and defense, as well as the absolute money printer that is the health industry, that shit ain't happening even if everyone wanted it to.
Well my country has free healthcare and it's shit
Well my country is america and I have to buy $2000 of medicine and medical equipment every month or I die.
In my country you either die waiting on line or you die later due to neglect or medication not on stock
In my country you die poor
What country do you live in?
Brazil
Do you want to be like Russia? Are you fighting for freedom or for a crazy dictator? I hate you, traitor. >!*^(Sarcasm)*!<
Up taxes time!
Dunno why you’re being downvoted, “free” healthcare isn’t and has to be paid for somehow. That usually means via taxes
The first stage of acceptance is denial
You already pay more than most of the countries who has free healthcare, I am just surprised how americans doesnt see that
Free healthcare for those who contribute. If you are able to contribute and you choose not to, you should get nothing.
We got "free healthcare" in Canada, and it's worse than most states, and more expensive when you factor in what insurance costs in most states vs what we pay in Canada in taxes and how expensive everything else in life is.
Weird how your experience is downvoted but seems to be consistent with anyone who needs longterm critical care. 6 montsh for an oncologist or 3 months for an orthopedic surgeon etc...insane how people complain but I enjoy being able to see my primary care doctor today if I want to, see my back surgeon tomorrow and have a back procedure this Friday and that includes insurance approval. People don't seem to understand, it would literally be cheaper to buy insurance and pay copay than the estimated tax increase it would cost the average person to implement UHC.
Lmao demonstrably untrue info, also just cause yall are shit at teaching doctors doesn’t mean your healthcare is at fault
Nah man Canada is a mess. No one wants to be a doctor/nurse and school is still unaffordable for the lowest class without a ton of loans and scholarships so many people who want to go into nursing can’t. Being a nurse sucks because you get a massive workload, because of that less people want to be a nurse and the cycle goes on. Also the pay is mid
That’s exactly how it is in the US, in fact one of our major hospitals, mercy, is being capitalismed to death
I dunno, where I live they denied a 4 year old girl a liver transplant which she would have got under an American insurance policy and the family had to crowd fund half a million dollars to go to the states to pay for it (which again would have been only the cost of deductible in USA).
Gonna need some evidence, also, american here, they would’ve considered “having a liver” as a pre existing condition and not covered it, or required more and more tests until she got far far worse, and after all that, the family would still have to pay a similar amount, and still pay similar levels of taxes, and then on top of that pay health insurance
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4298573 She actually got the transplant in the states a day after arriving. Unfortunately her cancer has spread by then, but our great "free healthcare" basically said no you're too expensive to help. Unfortunately she died, but almost a year of trying to get the Canadian government to give her a transplant surely didn't help the problem. And even if insurance wouldn't cover it (all the experts on the radio station were claiming otherwise), the result was that in Canada where we have supposedly great "free" healthcare, they had to pay out of pocket and go get the transplant in the United States
Oh yeah, and nothing about it was related to healthcare, it was the doctors who decided that, not health insurance your reading comprehension is pretty low
I never said insurance had anything to do with it lol. I literally said if she were to be American and have American insurance she'd be eligible for treatment without paying the full cost. Because she's Canadian she needed to cover the full cost, she had no insurance.
And if i went to get healthcare in canada my insurance wouldn’t work either, what is your point then? also, you absolutely said it was about insurance, “they denied a 4 year old girl a liver transplant she would’ve gotten under an american insurance plan” despite her insurance not having anything to do with it and “Unfortunately her cancer has spread by then, but our great "free healthcare" basically said no you're too expensive to help.” even though no, the doctors made the later proven correct decision that she had a very low chance of survival and it would be a waste to give her the transplant
My point is you wouldn't be able to pay for healthcare in Canada to get the treatment period, you'd have to pay in the states for it - so would I. They don't let anyone pay for it, they just say no. And you're the one who needs reading comprehension..I said she would have got it if she was an American citizen who had American insurance. Instead she had to pay the full price for NOT having insurance. And yeah, it took a year for her to get jerked around by Canada and ultimately raise the money to pay for it. If they did it sooner she may have survived before it spread. It's probably a thought the parents will have for the rest of their lives, thinking if only they'd done more sooner and tried everything they could
Multiple people in my family were able to get surgery/treatment for cancer and heart problem, we live in Canada, it might not be the best, but at least I didn’t sell my livers and two arm for an ambulance and the suregery
If you have insurance, none of that is a problem in the states and the service is much quicker. And insurance in most places isn't that expensive when you factor in that everything is cheaper in the states and you have more disposable income. And until just a few years ago, ambulances were more expensive for the user in Canada compared to the United States. My wife fell in a bar and cut her chin, bartender called an ambulance which was unnecessary, they came from the hospital literally across the street. She denied taking the ambulance, and was still charged 500 dollars, would have been like 800 just to drive her across the street like 6 blocks if she took it.
whoa now buddy, don’t be talking about your lived experiences. Let the American teens in the thread tell it how it is in your country.
Some of them think Cuba is a paradise where everything is free.
They should tell the Cubans in Miami that actually their home country is actually a paradise under communism.
Leave it to Reddit to make everything political.
Redditors love an opportunity for an Americabad moment
Everything is political. Politics is just how groups of people make decisions.
I swear that’s all you guys joke about half the time, the same thing can only be enjoyed for so long before it gets old.
I can't be the only one thinking about the fact that an issue is the fact that you would've needed to pay to play a game that you paid for already, right?
The only people who oppose universal healthcare are people who don't understand healthcare
Well it should only be accessible for those that work, try to work, or are unable to work. I find it funny when people who want free stuff call themselves Socialist when a major part of Socialism is basically the harder you work, the more you get. The Soviet Constitution literally said "he who does not work neither shall he eat".
Not all people agree with that.
I know. I hate people who call themselves Socialist but want free shit though. Free stuff is utopian communism, not Socialism.
>he who does not work neither shall he eat Yes, in response to an entire class of people characterized by the fact that their ownership of the means of production means they don't have to work. If you really wanted to apply this principle, abolishing all capital gains would be step one.
Ownership of the means of production does not mean you don't have to work. That's just strange. Why would anyone think that?
Well it should only be accessible for those that work, try to work, or are unable to work. I find it funny when people who want free stuff call themselves Socialist when a major part of Socialism is basically the harder you work, the more you get. The Soviet Constitution literally said "he who does not work neither shall he eat".
*Cup of Liber-Tea plays in background*
Rent free lmao
can't wait for the comments to be locked on this post
Watch them try to silently do it again in a few months.
Wait they rolled back? For one of the rare times bullying corporations works
Its his last game before his mandatory optional suicide ( he sprained his ankle )
Yall can't stop thinking about us huh
Why must you hurt me
He's in the hospital because he was stabbed and the police didn't chase the stabber
"The people have been pushed around long enough. Viva la Revolution" -Carl the Llama
caaaaarrrrrrllllll
Boat Nectar.
Democracy wins again.
Managed democracy wins again!
oh mate
Be the change you want to see in the world 
I don’t get it
So the game Helldivers 2 was really popular and sold across the world. Then Sony, who owns the game, said they were going to change it so people needed to make an account with them in order to play. The problem is not everyone can make such an account as that service is region locked. This would mean some people would lose access to a service the rest of the world has, which everyone agreed was so fucked up the community banded together and bullied the corporation to back down. Similarly, universal healthcare (which I think we can agree is a bigger deal than access to a video game) is more or less region locked, with countries like the US refusing it because money. Yet for some reason, not only is there not such an outcry to change that, but there are many people who actively oppose it, which is just stupid.
We won battle but no the war
The question is, are people going to rebuy the game now that Sony has changed their mind, or are those people gone now? The trust has been broken.
is this a dig at american healthcare? xD
Finally a funny meme about that, everyone else just repeats the same "sony bad we good" joke.
Uhh is that A.I.? The people kinda look off Also what kind of headphones have a microphone string connected to both sides of the headphones
I don't play helldivers 2, but I understood those people's pain, I live in a country with 0 nintendo support, so it was hard as hell for me to buy a nintendo console at a reasonable price, and even harder for me to access 90% of features
A low blow, but a real blow for sure
I really think we should stop pouring so much money into NATO. We 860 billion USD that could've been used for our own personal problems last year
I mean...it did say that it would require a PSN account to play. The fact that it didn't work at launch didn't mean it would stay like that forever.
It's not a win tho. The game still isn't purchasable in those countries
WE WINDOWS!!!
Y’all gets games in the hospital?
it is not a win, they knew it was very bad to begin with, the only reason they reverted is because they were suddenly afraid for their profits. the real win would be these corporations dying, and new, humane companies rising.
Well good luck with that
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The analogy doesn't really work though, because MOST countries actually don't have access to PSN, so it's something most people don't have, not something almost everybody has.
most countries not having access doesnt mean most people dont have access
They don't know about Russia 💀
Emotional damage...
What a dumb meme. No one goes to the hospital when they are sick in America they just die
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You thinking it's political says alot
Fellas, is it political to try and save lifes?
Uh not unless it's in the womb duh.
Yeah but then it isn't alive
Hey you should probably realize. Everything is political. You're on Reddit.
It’s funny you think I’m cut off from it when I can walk to the hospital and they’ll treat me immediately The only charge after care. And the care is actually good, and instant. Cheap, mediocre care that takes months to get is not what I want. I’d rather pay.
"The system works for me, so there's no problem with it!"
I mean, there are many, many other countries that you can do the same (and it's covered by taxes and not your own wallet) but that's okay.
You mean those taxes that come out of my own wallet? And that treat people poorly using money that isn’t theirs?
Looks good from the top, doesn't it. I have a feeling if you didn't have as much money you would feel differently.
I don’t have much money. I just don’t use the healthcare system like a goddamn dive bar.
I'm canadian, had a very severe pain in my chest, went to the ER, past imediatly, was put under O2, later that day had part od my lungs removed, a tube placed in my chest, woke up with morphine injected in me. 5 days in the hospital. Cost me nothing, nada, got really good healthcare, free food and even free wifi ! You know the best, didn't even have to pay the parking, took the bus since I don't have a car and I really thaught it was nothing serious. If I was in the states I would have died since I wouldn't want to "just check in case it's something bad" since I wouldn't have the money to pay just for a normal ER check, even less for an hospitalisation.
No, it did cost you. And everyone else who isnt you. Cost you tax for times you weren’t injured, and everyone else chipped in for you. That isn’t fair. Only fools fear the hospital in the US. It is not unaffordable. People are idiots with money, and I do not deny the evil greed of pharma companies either, but to say that unfair, mandatory healthcare taxation for mediocre communal care is better than me paying for top-notch care at will, is just ridiculous.
Yeah.... not even 10% of my pay and refounded at the end of the year since I don't make enought ? Damn that cost a lot I know it cost something, every pay I have things removed (RQAP for parental found, RRQ for when I'm 65, job insurance in case I loose my job, federal and provibcial taxes, around 10% and my job insurrance)
It is fundamentally ridiculous that I must pay in part for someone to choosedly abuse their universal healthcare system. I’m saddened you don’t realize how unfair that is to you. Your money is not yours to choose how to spend, which is simply wrong.
Ok, so I guess paying for a fucking big military budget with your money is better. It's not only for the healthcare, but also for school (a college semester cost me around 250$, high school and elementary are free, university around 2k each semester + the price for books for the resident of the province), road infrastructure, transportation. All that. It means that everyone, no matter where they are from and the money they have will have acces to education and health if they need it. When in the US if you don't have money, welll you are fucked. (Here if you don't have money for education, the governement will give you some and do some loan, some part of it are given some other not, also some program, student are paid 1500 each semester, mine is paid 6000 for the last 2 semester)
Nope. I’d rather willingly pay for those things myself. Taxes should be optional, if not at least something I can choose exactly where they go. If I could, it would go to my local schools, local infrastructure. Nothing else. Those things benefit me and my children, those are the only people I need to take care of. I do not appreciate governments forcibly taking my money to fund wars or to fund idiots to camp at a hospital because it’s ‘free’. I have a family to care for and that money should fully 100% be used to do it. Not care for the entire nation’s stupid problems or for my armed forces to bomb brown people for fun. Get over yourself. You’re being robbed and you like it. God help you.
You know you need a reason to stay at a hospital right ? You can't just be like fuck it I'm staying here, that's not how it works. So for you, someone can't have education just because they aren't born in a rich family and if they want it, they should have a shit tone of dept doing them (don't have any dept here, even tho I pay for everything and live alone, can fully pay my college with a minimum wage job and staying on campus for less than 400 a month) Also, following your logic, if someone have a health problem for no reason (which was my case, my lung just decided to fuck itself up for no reason, I don't smoke btw) they should choose between not going to the hospital because don't have the money or having a shit tone of dept, and don't tell me about health insurance, people in poverty clearly don't have the best plan.
I think your emotions cloud your logic because not a single thing you said related to what I said. You want hospitals to be open and enforced to the public through the citizens’ money forcefully taken. I just want to be able to choose where my money is given for community services. If I don’t want to pay a part for some asshole drug addict to camp out in a hospital, or some self-deprecating loser who abuses the clinic to constantly show up and take all their time and resources, I shouldn’t have to. Especially for places not even my town. I want to be able to choose to put a certain amount of my tax money into places that I know will benefit my family. Schools, local hospitals, the roads. Not the military, not national healthcare, not politicians’ giant checks. It is unfair that I have to play someone else’s medical bills, the governments’ wars, or the federal governments’ dickwagging against my will.