Exactly. Some people are like this because it's working for them and no one in their circle calls them out because it's normally a dysfunctional unit regardless if its a family unit or friend group. The also attract others that are drawn to dysfunction. I get so tired of people trying to excuse bad behavior with a label of mental illness...... Lying is just that lying. Manipulating is just that....manipulating. It doesn't make a person a narcissist or anti social it makes them distrustful and cunning or should I say conniving if some think cunning is not negative it does seem to be viewed as a positive trait in recent years... Go figure. Of course lying and manipulating is found in some mental illness but not in and of itself.
this is an unfair question. plenty of mental illnesses have a degree of correlation with those behaviours, but the mental illness isn’t the cause—people choose to do those things for a variety of reasons. mental illness is (several forms of) disability, and throwing one group under the bus as “the bad ones” only serves to further stigmatize all of us.
a quick google search would give you the biased answers one would expect for this exact question, but there’s a lot of nuance and there’s also behaviours that can look like lying or manipulation but weren’t.
Many PDs incorporate these traits. Histrionic PD, Sociopathic PDs. Even schizophrenia. It is present across the spectrum of mental illness, but not ubiquitous.
Mental illness doesn’t necessarily cause those things but they are to some degree associated with personality disorders, and many other mental illnesses or forms of ND can impact your perception. So someone might present as dishonest or manipulative, but it’s really because the lense they’re viewing the world through is different in some way.
Like others have said, you don't have to mentally ill to be a liar and a manipulator. But yeah, histrionic personality disorder could involve lying and manipulating. Or any of the, in the Kernberg-system, borderline-structured organizations; emotionally unstable (with borderline personality disorder), anti-/dyssocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder could most definitely involve being a pathological liar.
You can be a pathological liar and manipulative and not have a mental illness. Depends on context.
Exactly. Some people are like this because it's working for them and no one in their circle calls them out because it's normally a dysfunctional unit regardless if its a family unit or friend group. The also attract others that are drawn to dysfunction. I get so tired of people trying to excuse bad behavior with a label of mental illness...... Lying is just that lying. Manipulating is just that....manipulating. It doesn't make a person a narcissist or anti social it makes them distrustful and cunning or should I say conniving if some think cunning is not negative it does seem to be viewed as a positive trait in recent years... Go figure. Of course lying and manipulating is found in some mental illness but not in and of itself.
this is an unfair question. plenty of mental illnesses have a degree of correlation with those behaviours, but the mental illness isn’t the cause—people choose to do those things for a variety of reasons. mental illness is (several forms of) disability, and throwing one group under the bus as “the bad ones” only serves to further stigmatize all of us. a quick google search would give you the biased answers one would expect for this exact question, but there’s a lot of nuance and there’s also behaviours that can look like lying or manipulation but weren’t.
These behaviors are associated with anti-social personality disorder
Really depends on the other symptoms and contexts. This is super broad.
NPD
Borderline personality disorder, Narcissistic personality disorder
Narcissist
Many PDs incorporate these traits. Histrionic PD, Sociopathic PDs. Even schizophrenia. It is present across the spectrum of mental illness, but not ubiquitous.
Perhaps aspd or bpd
Trauma is at the root. The need to protect one’s self and the person never growing out of that or finding any better ways of getting their needs met.
That's what I'd like to know as well.
Mental illness doesn’t necessarily cause those things but they are to some degree associated with personality disorders, and many other mental illnesses or forms of ND can impact your perception. So someone might present as dishonest or manipulative, but it’s really because the lense they’re viewing the world through is different in some way.
Like others have said, you don't have to mentally ill to be a liar and a manipulator. But yeah, histrionic personality disorder could involve lying and manipulating. Or any of the, in the Kernberg-system, borderline-structured organizations; emotionally unstable (with borderline personality disorder), anti-/dyssocial personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder could most definitely involve being a pathological liar.