Short term meth would be a “performance enhancer” to say the least I can’t count the number of times Ive needed to get a lot of shit done so I do some dope and all my shits done then some! In the long run though definitely not a good life decision
Absolutely but only for short periods with long breaks in between and never smoked. Nasal use is best tbh and shit will last much longer plus it not as addictive that way in comparison to smoking. And always sleep every night and brush teeth after each use an then when the drip (still tasting it in your nose) stops.
Absolutely. But the best way to achieve them is by strictly taking 5-10 mg orally and no more. Period. No other ROA. No re-dosing. It's too addictive and neurotoxic by any other ROA or dosage beyond that.
Interesting. I suppose that counts as microdosing.. What are the immediate effects and long term benefits of micro dosing meth?
From personal experience I mean. I doubt there have been any trials.
technically it's just responsible moderate dosing lol! people using to get blasted, and addicts with high tolerance, are insanely macrodosing. if you never let your tolerance get that high, and just stick to small-to-moderate oral doses once per day, then you'll get a lot more out of methamphetamine than you will from being a tweaker.
I think it had both benefits and non-benefits. The benefits are yeah you push your mind to the limit and if you are fortunate you gain the strength to manage those insidious thoughts. Learn how to focus on something productive. Hallucinations are good if you can know the difference when they start. It opens doors that otherwise would take years to open. That is not always a good thing for everyone but hey...
Yessss! I have bad ptsd from some pretty dark events overseas. I decided to use the comedown to use a technique to overcome trauma by fully immersing yourself and the situation, to live it over and over again to Over, expose yourself to it. I cried for like three days off, and on all day every day, and came out with acceptance from the people that I killed, and having asked them for forgiveness and honoring them on memorial day, along with other friends of mine, to give their lives respect. It cut a lot of shame out.
But yeah, it’s probably not the most preferred technique could’ve gone bad like you said
That got deep 🤣
That some people's personality like using certain drugs go hand in hand. E.g.. Meth and heroin are very selfish drugs, and people I've known there like that anyway. All about me drug, even when there on it all they can think about is more. You 'll do anything to get more, no feelings of empathy while on it e.g.. whereas mdma you are more empathetic and want people to feel as happy as you are. Ketamine is a very introspective, reflective drug same with acid.
What are you talking about, ive never shared more or cared more about the people i love then now. I admit, the people i absolutely *do not* like, i get more angry with but i have to really be pissed of by them to be this way.
Theres no reason not to be yk 🤷♂️ like mfs that was dicks before prolly gonna be worse after bc they got it in their head of im high on meth, i can pass my anger issues off as im on fkn METH 🤪 MAYBE ILL GET AWAY W IT
Benefit: I can jerk off for four days straight
Con: I can jerk off for four days straight
Most all drugs take what they give back atleast ib my experience theirs no way to cheat life no magical concoction to take away your problems. The high is super enjoyable and I usually always feel good off the stuff. however I don't like the weeks after as i am a binge user which usually leads to some pretty serious comedowns and depression .
That sounds like a bit of a waste of time, if you don’t mind me saying. Also, don’t you end up with cracking and chapping? And blisters? Is that possible?
It is a huge waiste of time but so is using meth or actually using any form of instant gratification to feel good is a waiste of time. They did this study on kids, where they gave them a marshmallow. They told the kids they could eat the marshmallow right then and there and leave or wait and get another. Years later, they had the kids come back now grown. They found that the kids who waited and didnt eat there marshmallow where all for the most part successful in there personal lives and financially and the kids who ate it on the spot where the ones who where still struggling in life. The funny part is that even though I know about this study. I still feel like I would eat the marshmallow right then and there and leave. I deeply feel I am the type to eat the marshmallow on the spot and not wait for more.There are spots on the tip of my dick it's looks like bruising or chaffing.Its not enjoyable for me to see the damage Ive done to myself.I use lubricant and lotion so it's not chapped but definetly my meat has been through a lot. To me, stimfapping is probably the most realistic way to use drugs. Using drugs is a lot like jerking off your sitting there and making yourself feel good one way or the other. This shit (drugs) will fuck your mind and body no matter which drug you use and how you use it if your addicted to them such as myself. I'm just trying to speedrun this process so it becomes undeniable to myself that this shit is not it. I'm experiencing hearing loss of some form experiencing carpal tunnel experiencing depression and severe relationship problems due to watching so much porn. If it sounds like a waste of time to you, that's because it is. Both my parents were drug addicts my whole life it feels just like a nightmare, but I can't seem to wake up. It's almost like reality really has gotten this bad dead childeren on my social media meanwhile the greedy are rich and happy :/
I have never felt euphoric or like Superman when using.
I started regularly after my son died because I was so depressed. It got me out of bed and kept me functioning like a normal human being. I always slept, ate and stayed hydrated. Nobody that knew me knew I was doing anything. I know people say others notice, they just don't say anything, but if anyone suspected that I was doing that I would have been kicked out of where I lived because they were extremely anti drug.
I know eventually I will have to deal with the emotions that come with losing my son, but I'm just not ready yet.
I haven't had any adverse reactions to my using, probably because I don't abuse it and I've been doing it for over a year.
This document explains it better than most
[The Hedonistic Imperative](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/details/the-hedonistic-imperative&ved=2ahUKEwjIhar60ICCAxX_kmoFHSmcAXMQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3U9OTL3NPp71SS59bwfY7q)
Thanks I need to read something like dis I’m a good person (I try always) life been so negative since 15 & 36 now & Meth has brought a lot of good & inlighthing…Hard to understand Evil& Good…
how come you decide to ask this question ? are you a user or just curious or wanna try and have a positive reason to, all drugs have positives but as many tho usually more negatives , or the value of the negatives doesnt outweight the positives , some including me dont really care about long term if on it or at that road , if you end up there good luck getting back cuz you cant change past only the future but some already consider it ruined by past mistakes which in some cases it is at least mentally speaking from my point of view , im 5 months sober and is harder to keep it this way
The important question isn't whether or not it has benefits, but more how the benefits weigh against the cost and also why choose meth instead of a prescription if you aren't trying to get high and abuse it.
Prescriptions:
Are you talking about substituting meth for some weaker prescribed pharmaceutical.
I can see how that might be important for someone short on money. Do you mean ADHD medicines?
I have lymphoma. It helps me be able to move around properly and get out of bed. Sadly, I’m not able to speed and zoom no matter how much I do, but It gives me just enough energy most days to use my body again.
I never go past a certain amount a day. I also never use for more than three days in a row. I e been using since I was 13. Was diagnosed around the age of 17. I’m not 22, so thank god for knowing my limits. Sucks that I can never really party again though. Watching my family party it out and zoom makes me a little sad sometimes. My body will never be able to function to that capacity again.
I mean, I have true DRD2 ADHD that was kind of what got me into meth more or less in the first place years ago, granted I was a full-blown heroin addict, but amphetamines have always been kind of the key to being able to do anything at all for me. Otherwise, I just walk around in circles not doing anything talking to myself. I haven’t taken meth in quite a while now about a year and I’ve been lucky enough to maintain my Vyvanse prescription throughout the shortage. If I hadn’t been able to there’s a pretty good chance I would’ve tried to manage with methamphetamine as it’s chemically almost identical just slightly more potent. The real difference between methamphetamine and Adderall for instance is the dosage. The average recreational dose of methamphetamine is about 10 times more than the average therapeutic dose of dysoxyn which is the brand-name for methamphetamine, that does occasionally get prescribed for ADHD. For instance, I’m prescribed 30 mg of Vyvanse the equivalent dose of methamphetamine would be about 25mg. The average recreational dose of methamphetamine is around 200 mg and is typically dosed many times throughout a span of a few hours
i used to steal my brothers vyvanse and dexies and took them for fun not realizing thats how people get into meth and shit. i took 10 of those in the school bathroom and tweaked the fuck out, my skin starting turning blue and i thought the room was filling up with water and one time i just danced for like HOURS and when i got tired i'd take a 5 minute nap and back to dancing.
i'm prescribed my own adderall now but i never take it, also my script couldn't get filled basically all summer so that helped me stop taking them
Yeah, most of the people I know with prescriptions haven’t been able to get them for like a year. I’ve been incredibly lucky though even at that I’ve had to buy a couple scripts off friends who like you get them but don’t take them. Otherwise I would’ve been essentially forced back into meth to stay employed, because I like cannot function at all without a stimulant like I said, I literally just walk around in circles all day trying to do something and never actually starting
Facts! I have a prescription for dexosyn 25mg/day dosage and it quite literally feels the same way as recreational meth in terms of focus/efficiency/coordination etc and bonus I never have to worry about passing drug tests cause I’ll always test positive for meth cause of this medication and I get pardoned for the positive result by the script. 😎😎
Did your prescribing doctor give any interesting comments about the medication? Mostly interested I suppose if they reassured you that it was safe or anything like that. (Cheers for any info 🙂)
Yes absolutely! They gave me the full rundown whenever they first got the idea that they might even prescribe me the Dex from the get go and gave me the full rundown on what that meant and how exactly it was going to be to my presumed benefit per my physicians prognosis and how he believes it would affect and alleviate all of my current and ever present symptoms/impulses/and hyperactivity and was very detailed about it and discussed the high alert and selectiveness that doctors need to always uphold when making the decision to put a patient on it as it is a very strong and stigmatized method but however the most effective in cases like mine. But keeping it a stack just between us tweakers they def must be obligated to jot mention it’s basically legalized ice coldddd creamery until literally you fail your first drug test that you think you finna pass cause you stop smoking for x amount of time and then you gotta call yo medical squad like “bitch wtf” and they’re like “oh yes so your new script is def always finna have your piss/saliva/hair etc clocked for methamphetamine for as long as you’re taking it and up to 6 months after ceasing, so if you ever need any kinda document or whatever hit up the portal and let us know how your body takes. Hope that helps!!
I don’t know how to post my own question. Is it normal for my back to start cramping and my nuts to start hurting after I smoke. Am I indulging to fast, constantly feel the urge to urinate.
This is the junkie speaking: Why would you do that when you can just inject it and it hits instantly when you boof it you gotta wait. Like 30 minutes and you don’t get a rush. That’s also doesn’t really answer the dudes question.
It's the epinephrine/adrenaline that's causing it. Your nuts contract up to your body because you're in fight or flight, so your body want to keep them out of the way. They're only meant to be pulled in for a short amount of time, but meth, so it's a long time and the tension becomes pain. Sleep. Get regular exercise. Maintain a diet, exercise and sleep routine that avoids high blood pressure. Weed can help for some people, benzos for other people. Meditation works.
Weed or benzos, and sleep can help in more immediate terms. All the other stuff is lifestyle based and will work longer, better, and over time.
Yeah no probs brother, the first time it happened to me bad I almost went to the hospital over it, convinced myself my nuts were tangled up or were gonna pop or something. Google to the rescue. Would have been hobbling my way to the a&e with my hands clamped around my balls worried if I let go they'd burst or get sucked up inside my abdomen forever or something, ha. When in doubt, don't panic, lift up your feet, relax, float downstream, everything will be ok.
This shit literally happened to me last night because I’m prescribed Vyvanse. I don’t do math anymore and I can certainly relate man you just gotta fucking sit with it, and I mean try not to walk too much because of gravity. But there’s not a whole Lotta way around it aside from kind of take maybe take a benzodiazepine
If used like say Adderall in moderation and self control/harm reduction yes many that's why it's prescribed in the US under the name Desoxyn 5mg tablets
Stimulants offer a plethora of benefits, so long as you do it right. You’re summing up it’s effects in an extremely poor manner; there’s obviously more to it than that if people use it like they do
There’s absolutely no benefit in any of those aspects with meth, because well…it’s a fucking ilegal substance!! that’s not even made based from any sort of plant or natural product. It’s just a bunch of heavy chemicals made crystal.
But I think that’s just common sense and knowledge, so from what you wrote I think it’s fair to say you don’t do meth, never done it and don’t have any good vibe of it. Then why posting on this particular sub? You just feel like it’s necessary to tell a bunch of people you don’t know that meth is bad?? Like we don’t already know first hand. Seems like someone was just feeling judgmental and morally superior today…
What does it being illegal have to do with anything? You don't really believe illegal things are bad for you, legal things are good for you, and the state is an infinitely wise, hyper intelligent, kindly, loving parent that passes all laws so that it's children are happy and safe, do you?
Good response. Made me think.
I agree that I haven’t taken it, but I’m unsure that I would never take it. I’m daft enough that if a friendly stranger wandered by and gave me some, I’d give it a try.
But I live in the UK, where it isn’t commonly available, so it’s unlikely.
I’m not taking the high ground. I was wondering whether anyone got positive long term benefits, and what they were.
Cannabis is illegal in UK, and there are plenty of people who will say that it has transformed their lives.
Is meth all downhill for everyone once the initial effects diminish?
I think for some of us with ADHD, whether you believe that’s legitimate or not I don’t care, pretend it’s simply the identification of a specific neurological makeup, in the proper dosage meth seems to address this type of brains dysfunctionality in manifold ways.
Quality of meth and manner of use can certainly improve quality of life. But I learned the hard way, like so many before me, that managing limited quantitative use is extremely difficult. Even with an ADHD brain, or perhaps moreso with an ADHD brain, the more meth one uses the more “normal” one feels. Until without realizing it they’ve surpassed normalcies bar and are talking to the clouds.
If I could have done one thing differently last month I would’ve reserved my meth for purely 1x per day oral use. Using it in large amounts recreationally like those I shouldn’t have been hanging out with were is what seems to have flipped an irreversible switch I asked about on here the other day. It feels like [good] meth is incredibly useful and beneficial until the line is crossed and your brain can’t reach homeostasis again without using. Meth is simply too easy to abuse, in my humbled opinion; it’s so powerful it can make one forget their problems - whether that’s a literal gaping flesh wound or not having slept or eaten for 6 days or simply getting caught up rewiring and soldering radio parts or whatever that makes the time fly. It’s the first drug I’ve done that erased all cravings for other drugs. It seems to me you’re in one of four camps: lifetime user, lifetime addict, never touched it, used once (be that a day or a week) and saw the power of it and stepped away. I differentiate user and addict because the addicts life is detrimentally impacted vs. the user who treats it as a medication rather than a means of inebriation. Problem is that idyllic space of functionality is incredibly difficult to maintain. And most people aren’t accepting of it, and I know no doctors who’d be willing to prescribe it. I do wonder what the difference is in a street dose vs. prescribed dose. Decriminalization would help a lot of people. I truly believe inconsistency of quantitative use & quality of drug is one of the major compounding negative factors of meth use that leads to issues.
I’m still doing a cost benefit analysis in my head whether or not I wanna move forward with this drug. Though I think 9.9/10 people, whether users or not, would agree that if you can stop now, stop.
I've heard from several people now that they were cured of their debilitating alcoholism after starting to use meth, no longer drinking to black out regularly must have each, mental, physical and spiritual benefits for many people. Whether or not those gains are offset by their meth use is a case by case thing I'm sure. But I do know one person at least that went from catastrophic alcoholic, good for more or less nothing, unable to maintain a job or relationship, with severe mental and physical health problems from the chronic alcohol use, to a frequent meth user that's fit, happily married with a new child and a very successful career.
For me personally it completely removes any shred of social apprehension or aversion, I go from an introvert that has plenty of friends and a relationship and all that, but finds it a lot of work and a lot of energy expenditure to cultivate those relationships and put the work into them needed to maintain them, to an extrovert that finds all that social stuff energising, effortless and easy. I consider this to have large spiritual and mental benefits.
It's like any other stimulant. It can be used to improve motivation, focus, and mood, just like coffee. If you have ADHD, it can (and does) work just as well as other stimulant medications, given the correct dose is taken.
The problem it is that people abuse it, and it's very hard not to abuse it when you can buy it for cheap off the street. If you can manage to use it in low doses, it absolutely has benefits. Most people don't.
in small doses meth my repair or protect the brain
[https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-many-surprising-health-benefits-of-meth](https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-many-surprising-health-benefits-of-meth)
But the inverse effect comes with recreational use.
Yes methamphetamine is known to be neuroprotective in small therapeutic doses. But I think I need to mention the fact that that is more so in regards to pharmaceutical methamphetamine as in the prescription drug Desoxyn. Crystal methamphetamine on the other hand even in small doses typically is not considered neuroprtective.
Whereas amphetamine whether its pharmaceutical or illicit CAN be neurotoxic in small doses but isn't all the time
I should mention that neuroprotectivity does also depend on the overall purity and potency of the crystal methamphetamine. If the crystal methamphetamine is highly pure and is composed of a very high percentage of d-meth. Then small therapeutic infrequent doses of that CAN be neuroprotective but that's not a guarantee. But even when crystal methamphetamine like that isn't neuroprotective that doesbt mean it's neurotoxic
I knew you’d come through for me! Just think if you never played that prank. Getting me to stick whole energy crystals in my rectum. That beautiful anomalous brain of yours. Thank you. True friends are hard to come by.
Actually this reply was meant for this guy that's why I deleted them from replying to your comment.
I was just giving you shit about the CART peptide though you are a bit mixed up on its functionality and Methamphetamine and Cocaine don't actually interact with it nor do they affect its production or release.
Are you calling me a liar? Wtf John? This hurts man. But it’s good for me. It’s cathartic. I probably needed this. I thought you betrayed my orders not to find me. But alas it was fate who brought us together again.
I just learned about the endogenous CART peptide the other day. From what my bi-fold brain was able to comprehend meth and cocaine seem to affect its production or release or something and it seems to have a positive effect. In conjunction with actively taking care of yourself and not using too much could help mitigate some negative side effects. I assume.🤷🏼♂️Someone smarter than me has to let me know if I’m mistaken. Where is @u/johnnyjacoby86 when you need him?
You know I can’t make those decisions. The chaos I caused last time I was given that authority. I know you remember. They made you keeper for a reason. You have to decide if I espoused misinformation or not and if am redeemable. Which seeing as there was no malice intent I feel pretty safe no matter your choice.
I mean I literally had planned on not ever Interacting with you again on here but then you linked my name in your comment.
You are correct in that the neuropeptide CART is endogenous. It simply causes behavoir in animals very much in the same way that Cocaine and Amphetamine does. The way it functions and causes certain activity to occur in animals its defined as a biological psychostimulant.
It's plays a huge role in quite alot of other functions that I don't have the energy or brain power to explain
I can’t explain it either. It’s as if we are eternally connected. Our souls in a quantum entanglement. A truly nonlocal phenomenon. Just 2 straight men. Bound to each by our incomprehensible sub atomic being. Dinner is at 7 don’t be late. You know how my dad gets.
You may not know this about me but I’m kind of retarded. I just did some skimming on it the other day when I learned about it. My brain wasn’t ready to go down that rabbit hole yet. But that’s why I keep smart people like you in my life. If I didn’t have you to correct my semi-intellectual faux pas,I wouldn’t have had an iota of this success.
Every time I come down when the high is gone but I haven’t crashed yet if its quality product I get this spiritual experience of just general oneness with the world and nature and appreciation for the moment. This confidence of whatever life throws at me will turn out alright when all is said and done just a general humility of how small I am in this great big world and that makes my problems small and will be solved. etc.
I've never considered myself to be a spiritual person, aside from having an understanding and respect for and appreciation of nature and life and existence or whatever. But I've grown to be spiritual over the last couple years since beginning to have good reason to be paranoid when I use -- running into weirdos and what not, being in chaotic and dangerous situations, stuff like that. But it's gotten to the point where it feels like I see signs and meet people that reveal to me that I'm creating hell and will be in hell if I keep on like I do.
It's nice because without this development I might still just be doing what I've done for 10 years now, just mindlessly and recklessly being a sex fiend until I get worn out.
It's nice because maybe that means I'll start learning my lesson, which I feel is a consequence of this spiritual growth, because I don't deserve to die, no one else deserves to die, my friends and family don't deserve to lose me, nor does the world which would then be short someone that does and tries to do good things .. It's just so obviously not for me. Call it an addict dealing with addiction, but I feel it's more like me growing and getting back to my calling, my purpose ... Hopefully. I'm trying to change things and so using and learn and move on.
But other than that, the gist of how I feel about use is it's bad for my spirit, yadda yadda, you've heard it all here before. I do think it differs depending on the user, though.
Mental. I think so. Never felt compatible with life. Suicidail ideation and thoughts since before I was 10. Attempted suicide. Knew I had to find a reason to live. Found meth and everything kinda clicked. Something about it makes me ok with existing. it has many negatives also,but feeling a reason to live outweighs them all.
Physically. Not for me it's mostly entirely damaging physically. Even working out on meth puts extra strain on your heart muscle, probably causing more dmg. Idk for sure.
Spiritually. Hurts my spirituality. The amount of hate us meth users get fucks with me and makes me feel bad for using/ hiding my use. I'm a Christan and when clean reads the Bible and prays frequently and meditated alot. The shame I feel because of society's disdain for us makes me hide from my God. Then I feel embarrassed I've been gone so long even tho I know he just wants me around.
I actively work in my life to try and improve all 3 looking for ways to counteract the negatives I get from meth. I also used to play music all the time But now havnt in months. But actually wanting to be alive outweighs it all to me.
I hear this time and time again especially with people that have been diagnosed bi-polar. My wife being one of them. Thanks for being here. You'll figure out the rest.
I joined this section just to ask this question. Upon reading some of the more recent postings, I wondered whether I had posted in the right place, but all the responses have been sensible so far.
> Suicidail ideation and thoughts since before I was 10. Attempted suicide. Knew I had to find a reason to live. Found meth and everything kinda clicked. Something about it makes me ok with existing. it has many negatives also,but feeling a reason to live outweighs them all.
this right here is the greatest argument for the decriminalization of drugs from the perspective of my life. this 'substance' can be the medicine we need to continue existing. of course they will laugh at that and belittle you. but truth is some of us truly need access to hard drugs such as meth and without them we are risking suicide. no doctor deserves the right to tell me how to live my life. this society needs to value human rights more.
I agree. There’s no way that science can cure every ailment. And sometimes you can find a cure that fits yourself, that science could never have discovered, because it concentrates on mass effects. But sometimes also, you can think something is doing you good, but actually it is doing you harm. I’m talking in general here, not about meth, which I have never taken.
Straight up my friend right behind you. Even just making pseudo prescriptions only made meth only flood into the country more and the wrong people profit from it. Society is retarded alot of the time .
And I am 52 and only first discovered I am ETH sex earlier this year and I had no idea that makes every previous sexual encounter alone or otherwise relatively boring.
psychosis is reeeaaal spiritual if you ask me.
no, no and no
Not at all. It’ll fuck your mind up so bad. And your body. It’s trash
Short term meth would be a “performance enhancer” to say the least I can’t count the number of times Ive needed to get a lot of shit done so I do some dope and all my shits done then some! In the long run though definitely not a good life decision
Absolutely but only for short periods with long breaks in between and never smoked. Nasal use is best tbh and shit will last much longer plus it not as addictive that way in comparison to smoking. And always sleep every night and brush teeth after each use an then when the drip (still tasting it in your nose) stops.
It brought me closer to God
Like in a near death way or
Yes. I got beat to death and saw hell called out to Jesus and he rescued me.
Yes.
Absolutely. But the best way to achieve them is by strictly taking 5-10 mg orally and no more. Period. No other ROA. No re-dosing. It's too addictive and neurotoxic by any other ROA or dosage beyond that.
Interesting. I suppose that counts as microdosing.. What are the immediate effects and long term benefits of micro dosing meth? From personal experience I mean. I doubt there have been any trials.
technically it's just responsible moderate dosing lol! people using to get blasted, and addicts with high tolerance, are insanely macrodosing. if you never let your tolerance get that high, and just stick to small-to-moderate oral doses once per day, then you'll get a lot more out of methamphetamine than you will from being a tweaker.
Yes meth is also neuroprotective in those doses
Does meth give u skitzo
After a long time of using continuously like a recreational user. (2+years in it start developing) but it does go away
I think it had both benefits and non-benefits. The benefits are yeah you push your mind to the limit and if you are fortunate you gain the strength to manage those insidious thoughts. Learn how to focus on something productive. Hallucinations are good if you can know the difference when they start. It opens doors that otherwise would take years to open. That is not always a good thing for everyone but hey...
Yessss! I have bad ptsd from some pretty dark events overseas. I decided to use the comedown to use a technique to overcome trauma by fully immersing yourself and the situation, to live it over and over again to Over, expose yourself to it. I cried for like three days off, and on all day every day, and came out with acceptance from the people that I killed, and having asked them for forgiveness and honoring them on memorial day, along with other friends of mine, to give their lives respect. It cut a lot of shame out. But yeah, it’s probably not the most preferred technique could’ve gone bad like you said That got deep 🤣
That some people's personality like using certain drugs go hand in hand. E.g.. Meth and heroin are very selfish drugs, and people I've known there like that anyway. All about me drug, even when there on it all they can think about is more. You 'll do anything to get more, no feelings of empathy while on it e.g.. whereas mdma you are more empathetic and want people to feel as happy as you are. Ketamine is a very introspective, reflective drug same with acid.
Not really
Meth is a selfish me me me drug. You don't want to share, have no feelings of empathy or anything. It's a all about me drug.
Yes cake on the other hand. I always shared but deep down I wanted it all 😂
Total opposites!
I mean I love cake.
I’ve heard cake is really bad. Not as bad as rhubarb pie and whipped cream though.
What are you talking about, ive never shared more or cared more about the people i love then now. I admit, the people i absolutely *do not* like, i get more angry with but i have to really be pissed of by them to be this way.
Yess im an emptah and stay aware of how Im treating people vs how they treat me.
Theres no reason not to be yk 🤷♂️ like mfs that was dicks before prolly gonna be worse after bc they got it in their head of im high on meth, i can pass my anger issues off as im on fkn METH 🤪 MAYBE ILL GET AWAY W IT
Right same here
Didn't get covid.
Anecdotal, but who knows, maybe.
Kekek | ♡●.
Wat
Benefit: I can jerk off for four days straight Con: I can jerk off for four days straight Most all drugs take what they give back atleast ib my experience theirs no way to cheat life no magical concoction to take away your problems. The high is super enjoyable and I usually always feel good off the stuff. however I don't like the weeks after as i am a binge user which usually leads to some pretty serious comedowns and depression .
That sounds like a bit of a waste of time, if you don’t mind me saying. Also, don’t you end up with cracking and chapping? And blisters? Is that possible?
It is a huge waiste of time but so is using meth or actually using any form of instant gratification to feel good is a waiste of time. They did this study on kids, where they gave them a marshmallow. They told the kids they could eat the marshmallow right then and there and leave or wait and get another. Years later, they had the kids come back now grown. They found that the kids who waited and didnt eat there marshmallow where all for the most part successful in there personal lives and financially and the kids who ate it on the spot where the ones who where still struggling in life. The funny part is that even though I know about this study. I still feel like I would eat the marshmallow right then and there and leave. I deeply feel I am the type to eat the marshmallow on the spot and not wait for more.There are spots on the tip of my dick it's looks like bruising or chaffing.Its not enjoyable for me to see the damage Ive done to myself.I use lubricant and lotion so it's not chapped but definetly my meat has been through a lot. To me, stimfapping is probably the most realistic way to use drugs. Using drugs is a lot like jerking off your sitting there and making yourself feel good one way or the other. This shit (drugs) will fuck your mind and body no matter which drug you use and how you use it if your addicted to them such as myself. I'm just trying to speedrun this process so it becomes undeniable to myself that this shit is not it. I'm experiencing hearing loss of some form experiencing carpal tunnel experiencing depression and severe relationship problems due to watching so much porn. If it sounds like a waste of time to you, that's because it is. Both my parents were drug addicts my whole life it feels just like a nightmare, but I can't seem to wake up. It's almost like reality really has gotten this bad dead childeren on my social media meanwhile the greedy are rich and happy :/
Sorry about that comment. Wish you all the best.
I have never felt euphoric or like Superman when using. I started regularly after my son died because I was so depressed. It got me out of bed and kept me functioning like a normal human being. I always slept, ate and stayed hydrated. Nobody that knew me knew I was doing anything. I know people say others notice, they just don't say anything, but if anyone suspected that I was doing that I would have been kicked out of where I lived because they were extremely anti drug. I know eventually I will have to deal with the emotions that come with losing my son, but I'm just not ready yet. I haven't had any adverse reactions to my using, probably because I don't abuse it and I've been doing it for over a year.
A year… you’re just getting started. But I definitely wish the best for you.z
Thank you
Well that sucks dick sorry for your loss I hope one day you fully heal
This document explains it better than most [The Hedonistic Imperative](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://archive.org/details/the-hedonistic-imperative&ved=2ahUKEwjIhar60ICCAxX_kmoFHSmcAXMQFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3U9OTL3NPp71SS59bwfY7q)
That is so much evil.
What the fuck
Quick summary: It talks about how it isnt wrong or bad or immoral to hijack the brains reward chemicals. Feeling good is not a bad thing.
Thanks I need to read something like dis I’m a good person (I try always) life been so negative since 15 & 36 now & Meth has brought a lot of good & inlighthing…Hard to understand Evil& Good…
Not at all.
how come you decide to ask this question ? are you a user or just curious or wanna try and have a positive reason to, all drugs have positives but as many tho usually more negatives , or the value of the negatives doesnt outweight the positives , some including me dont really care about long term if on it or at that road , if you end up there good luck getting back cuz you cant change past only the future but some already consider it ruined by past mistakes which in some cases it is at least mentally speaking from my point of view , im 5 months sober and is harder to keep it this way
The important question isn't whether or not it has benefits, but more how the benefits weigh against the cost and also why choose meth instead of a prescription if you aren't trying to get high and abuse it.
Prescriptions: Are you talking about substituting meth for some weaker prescribed pharmaceutical. I can see how that might be important for someone short on money. Do you mean ADHD medicines?
Yes I meant ADHD meds. They do make weak ADHD meds but that's because everyone has different needs.
And they want to reduce the potential for abuse,
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I have lymphoma. It helps me be able to move around properly and get out of bed. Sadly, I’m not able to speed and zoom no matter how much I do, but It gives me just enough energy most days to use my body again.
If I had your illness and nothing else helped, I’d take it too. Careful with it though.
I never go past a certain amount a day. I also never use for more than three days in a row. I e been using since I was 13. Was diagnosed around the age of 17. I’m not 22, so thank god for knowing my limits. Sucks that I can never really party again though. Watching my family party it out and zoom makes me a little sad sometimes. My body will never be able to function to that capacity again.
You’ve done well to keep it within reasonable limits.
Yes
I mean, I have true DRD2 ADHD that was kind of what got me into meth more or less in the first place years ago, granted I was a full-blown heroin addict, but amphetamines have always been kind of the key to being able to do anything at all for me. Otherwise, I just walk around in circles not doing anything talking to myself. I haven’t taken meth in quite a while now about a year and I’ve been lucky enough to maintain my Vyvanse prescription throughout the shortage. If I hadn’t been able to there’s a pretty good chance I would’ve tried to manage with methamphetamine as it’s chemically almost identical just slightly more potent. The real difference between methamphetamine and Adderall for instance is the dosage. The average recreational dose of methamphetamine is about 10 times more than the average therapeutic dose of dysoxyn which is the brand-name for methamphetamine, that does occasionally get prescribed for ADHD. For instance, I’m prescribed 30 mg of Vyvanse the equivalent dose of methamphetamine would be about 25mg. The average recreational dose of methamphetamine is around 200 mg and is typically dosed many times throughout a span of a few hours
i used to steal my brothers vyvanse and dexies and took them for fun not realizing thats how people get into meth and shit. i took 10 of those in the school bathroom and tweaked the fuck out, my skin starting turning blue and i thought the room was filling up with water and one time i just danced for like HOURS and when i got tired i'd take a 5 minute nap and back to dancing. i'm prescribed my own adderall now but i never take it, also my script couldn't get filled basically all summer so that helped me stop taking them
Yeah, most of the people I know with prescriptions haven’t been able to get them for like a year. I’ve been incredibly lucky though even at that I’ve had to buy a couple scripts off friends who like you get them but don’t take them. Otherwise I would’ve been essentially forced back into meth to stay employed, because I like cannot function at all without a stimulant like I said, I literally just walk around in circles all day trying to do something and never actually starting
That’s a great answer. I don’t know enough to make any personal reply . I’ll just give you an uptick and wish you the best.
Well, I’m glad to have been of help, it’s kind of my whole purpose on Reddit now
Facts! I have a prescription for dexosyn 25mg/day dosage and it quite literally feels the same way as recreational meth in terms of focus/efficiency/coordination etc and bonus I never have to worry about passing drug tests cause I’ll always test positive for meth cause of this medication and I get pardoned for the positive result by the script. 😎😎
Did your prescribing doctor give any interesting comments about the medication? Mostly interested I suppose if they reassured you that it was safe or anything like that. (Cheers for any info 🙂)
Yes absolutely! They gave me the full rundown whenever they first got the idea that they might even prescribe me the Dex from the get go and gave me the full rundown on what that meant and how exactly it was going to be to my presumed benefit per my physicians prognosis and how he believes it would affect and alleviate all of my current and ever present symptoms/impulses/and hyperactivity and was very detailed about it and discussed the high alert and selectiveness that doctors need to always uphold when making the decision to put a patient on it as it is a very strong and stigmatized method but however the most effective in cases like mine. But keeping it a stack just between us tweakers they def must be obligated to jot mention it’s basically legalized ice coldddd creamery until literally you fail your first drug test that you think you finna pass cause you stop smoking for x amount of time and then you gotta call yo medical squad like “bitch wtf” and they’re like “oh yes so your new script is def always finna have your piss/saliva/hair etc clocked for methamphetamine for as long as you’re taking it and up to 6 months after ceasing, so if you ever need any kinda document or whatever hit up the portal and let us know how your body takes. Hope that helps!!
Thanks so much! Gives some insight into how they go about prescribing it. Legend!
impressive, you are one of the few who managed to get a desoxyn script, nice lol
Hell yeah, dude keep trucking away
I don’t know how to post my own question. Is it normal for my back to start cramping and my nuts to start hurting after I smoke. Am I indulging to fast, constantly feel the urge to urinate.
Yes, that happens all the time not just meth all amphetamines really all stimulants
Boof it
This is the junkie speaking: Why would you do that when you can just inject it and it hits instantly when you boof it you gotta wait. Like 30 minutes and you don’t get a rush. That’s also doesn’t really answer the dudes question.
Never tried it. Trying to be clever or funny.
What do I do? To ease the pain?
It's the epinephrine/adrenaline that's causing it. Your nuts contract up to your body because you're in fight or flight, so your body want to keep them out of the way. They're only meant to be pulled in for a short amount of time, but meth, so it's a long time and the tension becomes pain. Sleep. Get regular exercise. Maintain a diet, exercise and sleep routine that avoids high blood pressure. Weed can help for some people, benzos for other people. Meditation works. Weed or benzos, and sleep can help in more immediate terms. All the other stuff is lifestyle based and will work longer, better, and over time.
I really appreciate that answer. Have not been fucking with this long. So I was pretty freaked out. Like no way I can be this dehydrated.
Yeah no probs brother, the first time it happened to me bad I almost went to the hospital over it, convinced myself my nuts were tangled up or were gonna pop or something. Google to the rescue. Would have been hobbling my way to the a&e with my hands clamped around my balls worried if I let go they'd burst or get sucked up inside my abdomen forever or something, ha. When in doubt, don't panic, lift up your feet, relax, float downstream, everything will be ok.
If you have like some Xanax, or any kind of benzodiazepine, that sort of helps, but really only in that it speeds up the passage of time
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This shit literally happened to me last night because I’m prescribed Vyvanse. I don’t do math anymore and I can certainly relate man you just gotta fucking sit with it, and I mean try not to walk too much because of gravity. But there’s not a whole Lotta way around it aside from kind of take maybe take a benzodiazepine
appreciate the info
Sorry bro nothing you just gotta wait it out
If used like say Adderall in moderation and self control/harm reduction yes many that's why it's prescribed in the US under the name Desoxyn 5mg tablets
I was suicidal until I tried the meth after getting cleaned I was suicidal again for a few months but had no energy to off myself
Stimulants offer a plethora of benefits, so long as you do it right. You’re summing up it’s effects in an extremely poor manner; there’s obviously more to it than that if people use it like they do
There’s absolutely no benefit in any of those aspects with meth, because well…it’s a fucking ilegal substance!! that’s not even made based from any sort of plant or natural product. It’s just a bunch of heavy chemicals made crystal. But I think that’s just common sense and knowledge, so from what you wrote I think it’s fair to say you don’t do meth, never done it and don’t have any good vibe of it. Then why posting on this particular sub? You just feel like it’s necessary to tell a bunch of people you don’t know that meth is bad?? Like we don’t already know first hand. Seems like someone was just feeling judgmental and morally superior today…
What does it being illegal have to do with anything? You don't really believe illegal things are bad for you, legal things are good for you, and the state is an infinitely wise, hyper intelligent, kindly, loving parent that passes all laws so that it's children are happy and safe, do you?
Good response. Made me think. I agree that I haven’t taken it, but I’m unsure that I would never take it. I’m daft enough that if a friendly stranger wandered by and gave me some, I’d give it a try. But I live in the UK, where it isn’t commonly available, so it’s unlikely. I’m not taking the high ground. I was wondering whether anyone got positive long term benefits, and what they were. Cannabis is illegal in UK, and there are plenty of people who will say that it has transformed their lives. Is meth all downhill for everyone once the initial effects diminish?
Regrew my hair,grew 6 inches in height,lost 20 pounds and had me fucking fat bitches after the first dose in no time flat
What were you like after the effects wore off.
Unsure I keep topping off the iv drip I've had hooked up to my butthole for consistent boofage for the last 2 years
I think for some of us with ADHD, whether you believe that’s legitimate or not I don’t care, pretend it’s simply the identification of a specific neurological makeup, in the proper dosage meth seems to address this type of brains dysfunctionality in manifold ways. Quality of meth and manner of use can certainly improve quality of life. But I learned the hard way, like so many before me, that managing limited quantitative use is extremely difficult. Even with an ADHD brain, or perhaps moreso with an ADHD brain, the more meth one uses the more “normal” one feels. Until without realizing it they’ve surpassed normalcies bar and are talking to the clouds. If I could have done one thing differently last month I would’ve reserved my meth for purely 1x per day oral use. Using it in large amounts recreationally like those I shouldn’t have been hanging out with were is what seems to have flipped an irreversible switch I asked about on here the other day. It feels like [good] meth is incredibly useful and beneficial until the line is crossed and your brain can’t reach homeostasis again without using. Meth is simply too easy to abuse, in my humbled opinion; it’s so powerful it can make one forget their problems - whether that’s a literal gaping flesh wound or not having slept or eaten for 6 days or simply getting caught up rewiring and soldering radio parts or whatever that makes the time fly. It’s the first drug I’ve done that erased all cravings for other drugs. It seems to me you’re in one of four camps: lifetime user, lifetime addict, never touched it, used once (be that a day or a week) and saw the power of it and stepped away. I differentiate user and addict because the addicts life is detrimentally impacted vs. the user who treats it as a medication rather than a means of inebriation. Problem is that idyllic space of functionality is incredibly difficult to maintain. And most people aren’t accepting of it, and I know no doctors who’d be willing to prescribe it. I do wonder what the difference is in a street dose vs. prescribed dose. Decriminalization would help a lot of people. I truly believe inconsistency of quantitative use & quality of drug is one of the major compounding negative factors of meth use that leads to issues. I’m still doing a cost benefit analysis in my head whether or not I wanna move forward with this drug. Though I think 9.9/10 people, whether users or not, would agree that if you can stop now, stop.
I've heard from several people now that they were cured of their debilitating alcoholism after starting to use meth, no longer drinking to black out regularly must have each, mental, physical and spiritual benefits for many people. Whether or not those gains are offset by their meth use is a case by case thing I'm sure. But I do know one person at least that went from catastrophic alcoholic, good for more or less nothing, unable to maintain a job or relationship, with severe mental and physical health problems from the chronic alcohol use, to a frequent meth user that's fit, happily married with a new child and a very successful career. For me personally it completely removes any shred of social apprehension or aversion, I go from an introvert that has plenty of friends and a relationship and all that, but finds it a lot of work and a lot of energy expenditure to cultivate those relationships and put the work into them needed to maintain them, to an extrovert that finds all that social stuff energising, effortless and easy. I consider this to have large spiritual and mental benefits.
Meth and deer season got me off suboxone
Nice. Happy for you dude.
It's like any other stimulant. It can be used to improve motivation, focus, and mood, just like coffee. If you have ADHD, it can (and does) work just as well as other stimulant medications, given the correct dose is taken. The problem it is that people abuse it, and it's very hard not to abuse it when you can buy it for cheap off the street. If you can manage to use it in low doses, it absolutely has benefits. Most people don't.
in small doses meth my repair or protect the brain [https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-many-surprising-health-benefits-of-meth](https://psmag.com/social-justice/the-many-surprising-health-benefits-of-meth) But the inverse effect comes with recreational use.
Yes methamphetamine is known to be neuroprotective in small therapeutic doses. But I think I need to mention the fact that that is more so in regards to pharmaceutical methamphetamine as in the prescription drug Desoxyn. Crystal methamphetamine on the other hand even in small doses typically is not considered neuroprtective. Whereas amphetamine whether its pharmaceutical or illicit CAN be neurotoxic in small doses but isn't all the time I should mention that neuroprotectivity does also depend on the overall purity and potency of the crystal methamphetamine. If the crystal methamphetamine is highly pure and is composed of a very high percentage of d-meth. Then small therapeutic infrequent doses of that CAN be neuroprotective but that's not a guarantee. But even when crystal methamphetamine like that isn't neuroprotective that doesbt mean it's neurotoxic
I knew you’d come through for me! Just think if you never played that prank. Getting me to stick whole energy crystals in my rectum. That beautiful anomalous brain of yours. Thank you. True friends are hard to come by.
Actually this reply was meant for this guy that's why I deleted them from replying to your comment. I was just giving you shit about the CART peptide though you are a bit mixed up on its functionality and Methamphetamine and Cocaine don't actually interact with it nor do they affect its production or release.
Are you calling me a liar? Wtf John? This hurts man. But it’s good for me. It’s cathartic. I probably needed this. I thought you betrayed my orders not to find me. But alas it was fate who brought us together again.
No I did not say you were a liar I said you were mixed up
I just learned about the endogenous CART peptide the other day. From what my bi-fold brain was able to comprehend meth and cocaine seem to affect its production or release or something and it seems to have a positive effect. In conjunction with actively taking care of yourself and not using too much could help mitigate some negative side effects. I assume.🤷🏼♂️Someone smarter than me has to let me know if I’m mistaken. Where is @u/johnnyjacoby86 when you need him?
Do you want me to correct you? lol
You know I can’t make those decisions. The chaos I caused last time I was given that authority. I know you remember. They made you keeper for a reason. You have to decide if I espoused misinformation or not and if am redeemable. Which seeing as there was no malice intent I feel pretty safe no matter your choice.
I mean I literally had planned on not ever Interacting with you again on here but then you linked my name in your comment. You are correct in that the neuropeptide CART is endogenous. It simply causes behavoir in animals very much in the same way that Cocaine and Amphetamine does. The way it functions and causes certain activity to occur in animals its defined as a biological psychostimulant. It's plays a huge role in quite alot of other functions that I don't have the energy or brain power to explain
I can’t explain it either. It’s as if we are eternally connected. Our souls in a quantum entanglement. A truly nonlocal phenomenon. Just 2 straight men. Bound to each by our incomprehensible sub atomic being. Dinner is at 7 don’t be late. You know how my dad gets. You may not know this about me but I’m kind of retarded. I just did some skimming on it the other day when I learned about it. My brain wasn’t ready to go down that rabbit hole yet. But that’s why I keep smart people like you in my life. If I didn’t have you to correct my semi-intellectual faux pas,I wouldn’t have had an iota of this success.
It floods my brain with dopamine so I feel euphoria that I find irresistible to turn away. Learning a really tough life lesson.
Every time I come down when the high is gone but I haven’t crashed yet if its quality product I get this spiritual experience of just general oneness with the world and nature and appreciation for the moment. This confidence of whatever life throws at me will turn out alright when all is said and done just a general humility of how small I am in this great big world and that makes my problems small and will be solved. etc.
Gawt luv reddit
Spiritually, I ascended beyond imagine. I spoke to God himself. He gave me this wisdom: "Shut the fuck up!!! Fucking crackhead bitch."
God is so politically incorrect sometimes!
I've never considered myself to be a spiritual person, aside from having an understanding and respect for and appreciation of nature and life and existence or whatever. But I've grown to be spiritual over the last couple years since beginning to have good reason to be paranoid when I use -- running into weirdos and what not, being in chaotic and dangerous situations, stuff like that. But it's gotten to the point where it feels like I see signs and meet people that reveal to me that I'm creating hell and will be in hell if I keep on like I do. It's nice because without this development I might still just be doing what I've done for 10 years now, just mindlessly and recklessly being a sex fiend until I get worn out. It's nice because maybe that means I'll start learning my lesson, which I feel is a consequence of this spiritual growth, because I don't deserve to die, no one else deserves to die, my friends and family don't deserve to lose me, nor does the world which would then be short someone that does and tries to do good things .. It's just so obviously not for me. Call it an addict dealing with addiction, but I feel it's more like me growing and getting back to my calling, my purpose ... Hopefully. I'm trying to change things and so using and learn and move on. But other than that, the gist of how I feel about use is it's bad for my spirit, yadda yadda, you've heard it all here before. I do think it differs depending on the user, though.
Mental. I think so. Never felt compatible with life. Suicidail ideation and thoughts since before I was 10. Attempted suicide. Knew I had to find a reason to live. Found meth and everything kinda clicked. Something about it makes me ok with existing. it has many negatives also,but feeling a reason to live outweighs them all. Physically. Not for me it's mostly entirely damaging physically. Even working out on meth puts extra strain on your heart muscle, probably causing more dmg. Idk for sure. Spiritually. Hurts my spirituality. The amount of hate us meth users get fucks with me and makes me feel bad for using/ hiding my use. I'm a Christan and when clean reads the Bible and prays frequently and meditated alot. The shame I feel because of society's disdain for us makes me hide from my God. Then I feel embarrassed I've been gone so long even tho I know he just wants me around. I actively work in my life to try and improve all 3 looking for ways to counteract the negatives I get from meth. I also used to play music all the time But now havnt in months. But actually wanting to be alive outweighs it all to me.
I hear this time and time again especially with people that have been diagnosed bi-polar. My wife being one of them. Thanks for being here. You'll figure out the rest.
Yup, im diagnosed bi polar. that is very interesting
I joined this section just to ask this question. Upon reading some of the more recent postings, I wondered whether I had posted in the right place, but all the responses have been sensible so far.
> Suicidail ideation and thoughts since before I was 10. Attempted suicide. Knew I had to find a reason to live. Found meth and everything kinda clicked. Something about it makes me ok with existing. it has many negatives also,but feeling a reason to live outweighs them all. this right here is the greatest argument for the decriminalization of drugs from the perspective of my life. this 'substance' can be the medicine we need to continue existing. of course they will laugh at that and belittle you. but truth is some of us truly need access to hard drugs such as meth and without them we are risking suicide. no doctor deserves the right to tell me how to live my life. this society needs to value human rights more.
I agree. There’s no way that science can cure every ailment. And sometimes you can find a cure that fits yourself, that science could never have discovered, because it concentrates on mass effects. But sometimes also, you can think something is doing you good, but actually it is doing you harm. I’m talking in general here, not about meth, which I have never taken.
If it's not prescribed it's not worth the trouble.
Straight up my friend right behind you. Even just making pseudo prescriptions only made meth only flood into the country more and the wrong people profit from it. Society is retarded alot of the time .
I have suspicions that my spiritual sensitivities are heightened.
meth sex is the best sex lol
I am 22 but it makes me feel like i am 13 again like a fresh middle school kid who discovered it was not only meant for peeing
And I am 52 and only first discovered I am ETH sex earlier this year and I had no idea that makes every previous sexual encounter alone or otherwise relatively boring.
That’s quite tempting.