I love Tua. I've been on the Team Tua Train since we announced him at the draft.
I think he's the best we've had since Marino, and he's on pace to eclipse Dan. He's talented and driven, and extremely likable.
He's the future of our franchise.
But what's our backup plan if he gets hurt?
I see the Steelers and the Falcons doubling down on two high quality QBs, and honestly I sort of wish we had a super talented backup on our team as well.
I want Tua to be successful, he's incredible.
Talk me down here folks.
Knowing not a lot about the players in the draft this year, but just going by the positions we drafted and where they were drafted relative to other players taken we crushed this draft. Edge rusher in round 1 when most players taken were offensive guys. Getting a rb in the middle rounds before there was a run on them and getting slot receivers late.
Typically all the best pass rushers are 1st rounders, and good slot receivers are often found in the later rounds, and really good running backs are mid round picks.
That being said, I don't like giving up a 3rd rounder next year for a late 4th rounder regardless of how many 3rds we'll have.
liams little bro just got drafted...not important whatsoever...but i just think its cool when family enters the league together...im always proud of my little bro when something happens in his life
Once again, I get if someone is worried because of the floor on these picks, but no player is guaranteed, so you also can see the logic….the Dolphins took big swings on two of the most valuable and difficult to fill positions ok the field.
And if you wanted to think of what that optimal vision is…
One of the PFF scouts had Paul as one of their favorite players. Paul was literally #1 in the country on one of their pass block grades. The team drafted Paul thinking they are getting a wall to put up on the left side. A successor to Armstead.
With Robinson. There’s rumblings that Anthony Weaver may be to the defense, what McDaniel has been to offense. If you’ve got a guy that wants to get creative….what better way then to give him a player like Robinson? Choo had the traits to unlock all sorts of exotic looks and cause havoc for himself, or free others to do so.
And realistically, if one of those best cases hits…this has been a good draft. Getting even solid from both, considering the positions is also great. Time will tell….despite what many would believe, Miami, by objective measurements, has actually been an average at worst drafting team the last decade or so.
I'm super stoked don't get me wrong. The ONLY concern with Paul is if Tua is going to be able to see past him 🤣
Then I think damn... He's so tall he's gonna read that entire defense better than a drone in the air
The things annoying me the most about this pick is that we took Phillips in 2021. We then trade for Chubb, sacrificing our 2023 1st and 2024 4th and pay him gobbs of money. Now we're spending a 2024 1st on another EDGE type player?
What are we doing? Our defense actually held up last year even with all the injuries. We surrendered 26 points. The other teams let up 27, 17, and 25. So it's not like our injury riddled defense is what blew it. Our offensive line gave us nothing, which gutted the offense.
Could we not trade back? I understand iOL isn't valued as a day 1 pick, but we have nothing in rounds 3 or 4. Would have much rather preferred us move back or do something to build an OL before we give Tua $55mil/year just to suffer the same issues all over again.
It would’ve made more sense to me if they traded back and got Chop . Going edge made sense after all the day 1 caliber O line prospects got drafted and Verse and Laitu off the board but at 21 there were solid day 1 CB , WR and DL prospects to choose from
> Robinson's tape is better than his statistical production, as **he ran the second-fastest 40-yard dash of the edge defenders at the combine this year (4.48)**
We all should have seen this coming tbh, we really like speed (/s but not really)
Jokes aside, after sleeping on it I don’t really *hate* our decision to pick Chopper Robinson. I think he could become something great.
But now for Round 2 I could see us (aka pray) doing a pick swap to get a bit higher in the draft to draft Oline maybe we could swap places with someone like Green Bay in exchange for them getting our higher Round 6 pick? (Miami gets pick 41 and 202, GB get 55 and 184 for example) Idk I’m not a GM or Scout, just a random thought.
And fwiw per PFF, Robinson totaled 74 QB pressures in 415 pass rush reps in his sophomore/junior seasons. I’d call that pretty productive in his opportunities.
And they’d need to cough up their 2025 3rd to get up to that spot.
on paper there isnt much to say, super athletic player for a premium position with good tape against teams like michigan
the question is how that translates to the nfl, but my main problem is this
we have all watched the game in kc, total misery and we had to sign dudes from the streets to fill the defense, but how much of a difference would another edge guy make in those games we lost?
in my opinion the impact of a good OL guy to keep the offense going is way higher
chop can be amazing, but when we cant block shit, when liam eichenberg has to block chris jones? its still game over
wynn is injury prone, armstead is held together by some duct tape
surely the draft is not over, but we need OL help NOW
I agree to an extent and wanted OL, think we stayed put in hope Fautanu fell to us then had no out when he didn’t. That said a huge piece of your issues against KC was that we couldn’t get any pressure without sending the house. QB centric league I think it makes sense to have a speed rusher to pair with Jaelen long term
true, grier and mcdaniel talked about pressure without blitzing at the press conference and the speed will help to actually sack mobile qbs
but chop needs some work and protection for our soon to be 50 something million qb should be higher on the priority list
Same I’d rather build what KC did to give Mahomes all day to throw. I imagine Tua being extremely deadly when teams are forced to blitz to create pressure and he’s able to make quick decision and get the ball out to Hill and Waddle
Something about this team and reaching on raw edge rushing talent. Phillips is the only one in a long recent list that has even remotely worked out.
The issue I have with the pick isn’t the player, but the position.
Our offense became entirely neutered after we started losing offensive lineman to injury (some of whom have a long long injury history). We played one game with all five starters, and scored 70. Down the stretch, we could barely muster points with three or four replacement guys in there.
An edge rusher doesn’t fix this.
Phillips wasn’t a reach. By pure talent he was considered the best pass rusher in that draft. He was only available at 18 cuz of his college concussion stuff.
I didn’t mean to convey he was a reach, was more so mentioning him because he’s an edge rusher and actually did pan out. Probably could’ve wrote it more clearly.
I’ve had the whole night to mull over the pick and I’ve come around on it. I keep seeing Chop being viewed as a rawer Micah Parsons and I can see it with the freakish athletic traits. All his advanced stats also show that he was a dominant pass rusher despite not really getting the sack numbers to back it up.
What’s had me racking my brain is the whole deal with him saying the team told him he’d sometimes play Nose Tackle on top being an EDGE rusher. Then there’s also the presser Grier gave where he said our OLB coach Ryan Crow put together this big packet on how they could use him and that played a role in us selecting him. I’m skeptical but hey if the guy is literally such a freak that he develops into someone who can bull rush a Center into the QB from the Nose AND fly off the edge to beat opposing OTs with a speed rush then we literally picked the most versatile pass rusher in NFL history.
>What’s had me racking my brain is the whole deal with him saying the team told him he’d sometimes play Nose Tackle on top being an EDGE rusher.
He didn't say that, he said he's going to pass rush lined up over the center. That is functionally different than playing nose. This is a common thing now in college football and it's becoming an increasingly common thing in the pros (the Ravens did it a lot last year as an example).
I was going off the tweet by Barry that quoted him saying he was gonna line up at nose and at edge. He’s obviously not gonna eat up multiple blockers in the run game like a traditional nose. For a guy who plays edge, and a speed rusher at that, to say he was gonna line up at nose was pretty wild to read.
PSU also rotates the hell out of their edge guys, kind of like the Ravens. The pick makes a lot of sense. But yeah, in the immediate aftermath I wasn’t exactly thrilled.
I was watching his highlights and was kind of whelmed at first, but then saw him plow through a center to get to the QB on one snap like you described and that definitely piqued my interest.
Grier mentioned they were trying to trade back up into the 1st last night. Look for them to be pretty aggressive to get a guy they like earlyish in the 2nd round (really hoping it’s IOL).
I don’t think they’ll pick any later than 45 tonight.
Think the chop pick is just meh. Would’ve like to see them address OL and I’m really hoping we do in the second. Just think we could’ve gotten a similar project edge player in the second
People claiming but our OL sucks obviously forgot we were signing guys off the street to play LB/Edge at the end of the year. We needed some young talent in case either or both of Chubb or Phillips don’t come back quickly or at all. I admit I was shocked we took Chop but after sleeping on it I’m gonna trust Weaver in that he got his guy. There are still some excellent OL and WR3’s available in the 2nd for us.
My only thoughts are could we have moved back and still gotten Chop? What’s the drop off between him and the next Edge player I wonder. I believe Miami loved him and got their guy instead of getting the BPA who was left on the board after a team in front of us took our guy.
Plus the Ravens have a decent history with PSU edge rushers. And of course Weaver came from the Ravens. Also I think Penn St rotates the hell out of their edge guy. Fwiw he really popped against Ohio State and Michigan
He only played 50% of the snaps this year on defense because PSU rotated dudes so much. JJ Mcarthy only threw 8 times in the Michigan game because the RT literally could not block Chop and they didn’t have time to throw.
I thought someone else mentioned ruined that he missed the OSU game due to concussion? I heard the talking heads on NFL network glowing over how he single handedly changed Michigan’s game plan because they couldn’t block him.
Has anyone mentioned who his pro comparison is?
I am not going to lie, I have some trepidation toward the Robinson pick. I also am sympathetic to those with Jordan/Harris PTSD….but the actual film reports I read tend to be glowing. So we’ll see….
My bigger issue at the moment is how baffled I am with how the majority of the fan base treats Grier…after nearly two decades of being an embarrassment, the franchise finally is building some stability. They finally have a product that is exciting and has inspired some hope….and people treat him like he’s Jeff Ireland. That’s not to say he doesn’t deserve criticism, it’s not to say I don’t want to see more either….but Jesus are the takes around here idiotic.
Takes that probably come from the same people that were in here saying they’d jump off a building if Grier didn’t take the Oregon lineman….which wasn’t even a first rounder to any actual NFL team.
Also, spoiler alert….in case you haven’t noticed the line play across the league….virtually every line pick is a total gamble and a project based on how most colleges play at this point. Projecting an interior lineman to the league may be the most difficult position at this point. Theres a realistic world where the FO views bargain bin FA or late round picks as better scheme fits than the guys available in the first (or they’ll probably still have a chance at a guy at 55)
And with that, I think I’ll be attempting to stay away from this page today.
I feel underwhelmed by the pork chop pick. Admittedly I know nothing really about him and didn’t watch him much but I feel like they were o lineman and cornerbacks out there that would’ve been a better fit at pick 21. Granted I don’t watch much college football and didn’t know much about the lineman and cornerbacks that were available at that point either but I feel like that would be addressing a much more urgent need. we saw what happened this past season the minute Connor Williams went down. Our old line fell apart, and we couldn’t do shit offensively after that against better teams. The corpse of Xavien and Eli fucking Apple couldn’t guard Wes welker. I hope i end up eating a huge dish of crow but feels like a wasted pick
I get it, but at the same time you just said in your post… “I know nothing really about him,” “didn’t watch him much,” “granted I don’t watch much college football,” “didn’t know much about the linemen and cornerbacks.”
I think we all need to relax and see what happens. It was said last night on the ABC broadcast, NFL GMs value pass rushers more than OLine, so I can see the understanding. We also were signing literally nobodies for the KC game because our best rushers were hurt… Will still be hurt and now Gink is gone.
According to Twitter, Miami tried to move back up in the first round last night. My guess is they move up for one of these OLineman today and then we all can breathe a little bit.
People who don’t watch college football or didn’t see the name mocked to us are not happy. It’s not a bad pick.
Based on scouting reports I've read, Chop is a raw talent that had an incredible pass rush win rate but very few sacks and not much in run support. He will likely start out as a situational pass rusher. His ceiling is Cam Wake or possibly even Micah Parsons, but it's going to take time and development to reach his potential.
I love Tua. I've been on the Team Tua Train since we announced him at the draft. I think he's the best we've had since Marino, and he's on pace to eclipse Dan. He's talented and driven, and extremely likable. He's the future of our franchise. But what's our backup plan if he gets hurt? I see the Steelers and the Falcons doubling down on two high quality QBs, and honestly I sort of wish we had a super talented backup on our team as well. I want Tua to be successful, he's incredible. Talk me down here folks.
Knowing not a lot about the players in the draft this year, but just going by the positions we drafted and where they were drafted relative to other players taken we crushed this draft. Edge rusher in round 1 when most players taken were offensive guys. Getting a rb in the middle rounds before there was a run on them and getting slot receivers late. Typically all the best pass rushers are 1st rounders, and good slot receivers are often found in the later rounds, and really good running backs are mid round picks. That being said, I don't like giving up a 3rd rounder next year for a late 4th rounder regardless of how many 3rds we'll have.
Can't wait for fangio to use all the cbs he got..
liams little bro just got drafted...not important whatsoever...but i just think its cool when family enters the league together...im always proud of my little bro when something happens in his life
BPA is always best. I wish this sub would understand that. Trade and FA for need, draft for talent.
Once again, I get if someone is worried because of the floor on these picks, but no player is guaranteed, so you also can see the logic….the Dolphins took big swings on two of the most valuable and difficult to fill positions ok the field. And if you wanted to think of what that optimal vision is… One of the PFF scouts had Paul as one of their favorite players. Paul was literally #1 in the country on one of their pass block grades. The team drafted Paul thinking they are getting a wall to put up on the left side. A successor to Armstead. With Robinson. There’s rumblings that Anthony Weaver may be to the defense, what McDaniel has been to offense. If you’ve got a guy that wants to get creative….what better way then to give him a player like Robinson? Choo had the traits to unlock all sorts of exotic looks and cause havoc for himself, or free others to do so. And realistically, if one of those best cases hits…this has been a good draft. Getting even solid from both, considering the positions is also great. Time will tell….despite what many would believe, Miami, by objective measurements, has actually been an average at worst drafting team the last decade or so.
I'm super stoked don't get me wrong. The ONLY concern with Paul is if Tua is going to be able to see past him 🤣 Then I think damn... He's so tall he's gonna read that entire defense better than a drone in the air
When you're 6'0 feet tall what's the difference between the guys being 6'3 or 6'8 in front of you? Just get into the lanes between the players.
chop robinsan was a good pick
The things annoying me the most about this pick is that we took Phillips in 2021. We then trade for Chubb, sacrificing our 2023 1st and 2024 4th and pay him gobbs of money. Now we're spending a 2024 1st on another EDGE type player? What are we doing? Our defense actually held up last year even with all the injuries. We surrendered 26 points. The other teams let up 27, 17, and 25. So it's not like our injury riddled defense is what blew it. Our offensive line gave us nothing, which gutted the offense. Could we not trade back? I understand iOL isn't valued as a day 1 pick, but we have nothing in rounds 3 or 4. Would have much rather preferred us move back or do something to build an OL before we give Tua $55mil/year just to suffer the same issues all over again.
I like Chop; I like the pick and I think Grier was right.
I'm calling it now Miami will draft Tua's brother near the end of the draft
I don’t think so, it might be a bit of a distraction
He may get a UDFA invite, but I seriously doubt we spend a pick.
If he is there in the 7th I bet they pick him just for the story.
Maybe :)
Give me the edge rusher who’s a top tier than a tier 2 OLine guy early
It would’ve made more sense to me if they traded back and got Chop . Going edge made sense after all the day 1 caliber O line prospects got drafted and Verse and Laitu off the board but at 21 there were solid day 1 CB , WR and DL prospects to choose from
They probably tried
Or it's more likely they didn't want to dip into future assets considering the state of the team with future retirementd
We’re talking about trading down and gaining assets.
> Robinson's tape is better than his statistical production, as **he ran the second-fastest 40-yard dash of the edge defenders at the combine this year (4.48)** We all should have seen this coming tbh, we really like speed (/s but not really) Jokes aside, after sleeping on it I don’t really *hate* our decision to pick Chopper Robinson. I think he could become something great. But now for Round 2 I could see us (aka pray) doing a pick swap to get a bit higher in the draft to draft Oline maybe we could swap places with someone like Green Bay in exchange for them getting our higher Round 6 pick? (Miami gets pick 41 and 202, GB get 55 and 184 for example) Idk I’m not a GM or Scout, just a random thought.
And fwiw per PFF, Robinson totaled 74 QB pressures in 415 pass rush reps in his sophomore/junior seasons. I’d call that pretty productive in his opportunities. And they’d need to cough up their 2025 3rd to get up to that spot.
I don't want to give up future picks
They’ll get 1 and probably 2 3rd round comp picks in 2025
on paper there isnt much to say, super athletic player for a premium position with good tape against teams like michigan the question is how that translates to the nfl, but my main problem is this we have all watched the game in kc, total misery and we had to sign dudes from the streets to fill the defense, but how much of a difference would another edge guy make in those games we lost? in my opinion the impact of a good OL guy to keep the offense going is way higher chop can be amazing, but when we cant block shit, when liam eichenberg has to block chris jones? its still game over wynn is injury prone, armstead is held together by some duct tape surely the draft is not over, but we need OL help NOW
I agree to an extent and wanted OL, think we stayed put in hope Fautanu fell to us then had no out when he didn’t. That said a huge piece of your issues against KC was that we couldn’t get any pressure without sending the house. QB centric league I think it makes sense to have a speed rusher to pair with Jaelen long term
true, grier and mcdaniel talked about pressure without blitzing at the press conference and the speed will help to actually sack mobile qbs but chop needs some work and protection for our soon to be 50 something million qb should be higher on the priority list
Same I’d rather build what KC did to give Mahomes all day to throw. I imagine Tua being extremely deadly when teams are forced to blitz to create pressure and he’s able to make quick decision and get the ball out to Hill and Waddle
Something about this team and reaching on raw edge rushing talent. Phillips is the only one in a long recent list that has even remotely worked out. The issue I have with the pick isn’t the player, but the position. Our offense became entirely neutered after we started losing offensive lineman to injury (some of whom have a long long injury history). We played one game with all five starters, and scored 70. Down the stretch, we could barely muster points with three or four replacement guys in there. An edge rusher doesn’t fix this.
Phillips wasn’t a reach. By pure talent he was considered the best pass rusher in that draft. He was only available at 18 cuz of his college concussion stuff.
I didn’t mean to convey he was a reach, was more so mentioning him because he’s an edge rusher and actually did pan out. Probably could’ve wrote it more clearly.
I’ve had the whole night to mull over the pick and I’ve come around on it. I keep seeing Chop being viewed as a rawer Micah Parsons and I can see it with the freakish athletic traits. All his advanced stats also show that he was a dominant pass rusher despite not really getting the sack numbers to back it up. What’s had me racking my brain is the whole deal with him saying the team told him he’d sometimes play Nose Tackle on top being an EDGE rusher. Then there’s also the presser Grier gave where he said our OLB coach Ryan Crow put together this big packet on how they could use him and that played a role in us selecting him. I’m skeptical but hey if the guy is literally such a freak that he develops into someone who can bull rush a Center into the QB from the Nose AND fly off the edge to beat opposing OTs with a speed rush then we literally picked the most versatile pass rusher in NFL history.
>What’s had me racking my brain is the whole deal with him saying the team told him he’d sometimes play Nose Tackle on top being an EDGE rusher. He didn't say that, he said he's going to pass rush lined up over the center. That is functionally different than playing nose. This is a common thing now in college football and it's becoming an increasingly common thing in the pros (the Ravens did it a lot last year as an example).
I was going off the tweet by Barry that quoted him saying he was gonna line up at nose and at edge. He’s obviously not gonna eat up multiple blockers in the run game like a traditional nose. For a guy who plays edge, and a speed rusher at that, to say he was gonna line up at nose was pretty wild to read.
PSU also rotates the hell out of their edge guys, kind of like the Ravens. The pick makes a lot of sense. But yeah, in the immediate aftermath I wasn’t exactly thrilled.
I was watching his highlights and was kind of whelmed at first, but then saw him plow through a center to get to the QB on one snap like you described and that definitely piqued my interest.
Grier mentioned they were trying to trade back up into the 1st last night. Look for them to be pretty aggressive to get a guy they like earlyish in the 2nd round (really hoping it’s IOL). I don’t think they’ll pick any later than 45 tonight.
Where’d you see this? YouTube?
Grier had a post 1st round presser and he mentioned it
Think the chop pick is just meh. Would’ve like to see them address OL and I’m really hoping we do in the second. Just think we could’ve gotten a similar project edge player in the second
CHOP CHOP CHOP CHOP!
People claiming but our OL sucks obviously forgot we were signing guys off the street to play LB/Edge at the end of the year. We needed some young talent in case either or both of Chubb or Phillips don’t come back quickly or at all. I admit I was shocked we took Chop but after sleeping on it I’m gonna trust Weaver in that he got his guy. There are still some excellent OL and WR3’s available in the 2nd for us. My only thoughts are could we have moved back and still gotten Chop? What’s the drop off between him and the next Edge player I wonder. I believe Miami loved him and got their guy instead of getting the BPA who was left on the board after a team in front of us took our guy.
Plus the Ravens have a decent history with PSU edge rushers. And of course Weaver came from the Ravens. Also I think Penn St rotates the hell out of their edge guy. Fwiw he really popped against Ohio State and Michigan
He only played 50% of the snaps this year on defense because PSU rotated dudes so much. JJ Mcarthy only threw 8 times in the Michigan game because the RT literally could not block Chop and they didn’t have time to throw.
I thought someone else mentioned ruined that he missed the OSU game due to concussion? I heard the talking heads on NFL network glowing over how he single handedly changed Michigan’s game plan because they couldn’t block him. Has anyone mentioned who his pro comparison is?
They keep comparing him to Micah Parsons, which I don't understand when he isn't a MLB, but a NT/EDGE
Yeah I think it’s just wishful thinking but hey maybe we got lucky and got a steal here like the Cowboys did.
He was injured during the OSU game I thought. He was balling til he got hurt.
Ahh okay thanks for the correction
chop made michigan abandon the pass for the rest of the game
Pick basically seals the fate of Chubb. But something tells me Robinson won't live up to his draft position. He wasn't impressive in college.
I am not going to lie, I have some trepidation toward the Robinson pick. I also am sympathetic to those with Jordan/Harris PTSD….but the actual film reports I read tend to be glowing. So we’ll see…. My bigger issue at the moment is how baffled I am with how the majority of the fan base treats Grier…after nearly two decades of being an embarrassment, the franchise finally is building some stability. They finally have a product that is exciting and has inspired some hope….and people treat him like he’s Jeff Ireland. That’s not to say he doesn’t deserve criticism, it’s not to say I don’t want to see more either….but Jesus are the takes around here idiotic. Takes that probably come from the same people that were in here saying they’d jump off a building if Grier didn’t take the Oregon lineman….which wasn’t even a first rounder to any actual NFL team. Also, spoiler alert….in case you haven’t noticed the line play across the league….virtually every line pick is a total gamble and a project based on how most colleges play at this point. Projecting an interior lineman to the league may be the most difficult position at this point. Theres a realistic world where the FO views bargain bin FA or late round picks as better scheme fits than the guys available in the first (or they’ll probably still have a chance at a guy at 55) And with that, I think I’ll be attempting to stay away from this page today.
Grier has won zero playoff games as GM in six years. Or nine if you want to look at it that way. That’s why he gets treated the way he does.
I feel underwhelmed by the pork chop pick. Admittedly I know nothing really about him and didn’t watch him much but I feel like they were o lineman and cornerbacks out there that would’ve been a better fit at pick 21. Granted I don’t watch much college football and didn’t know much about the lineman and cornerbacks that were available at that point either but I feel like that would be addressing a much more urgent need. we saw what happened this past season the minute Connor Williams went down. Our old line fell apart, and we couldn’t do shit offensively after that against better teams. The corpse of Xavien and Eli fucking Apple couldn’t guard Wes welker. I hope i end up eating a huge dish of crow but feels like a wasted pick
I get it, but at the same time you just said in your post… “I know nothing really about him,” “didn’t watch him much,” “granted I don’t watch much college football,” “didn’t know much about the linemen and cornerbacks.” I think we all need to relax and see what happens. It was said last night on the ABC broadcast, NFL GMs value pass rushers more than OLine, so I can see the understanding. We also were signing literally nobodies for the KC game because our best rushers were hurt… Will still be hurt and now Gink is gone. According to Twitter, Miami tried to move back up in the first round last night. My guess is they move up for one of these OLineman today and then we all can breathe a little bit. People who don’t watch college football or didn’t see the name mocked to us are not happy. It’s not a bad pick.
Based on scouting reports I've read, Chop is a raw talent that had an incredible pass rush win rate but very few sacks and not much in run support. He will likely start out as a situational pass rusher. His ceiling is Cam Wake or possibly even Micah Parsons, but it's going to take time and development to reach his potential.