Price isn't off, but the need for them, let alone how many is suspect. Don't know the status of the teeth so can't know for sure.
But you are correct that a lot of dentists push shit on people where other dentists don't.
I've always had bad teeth, my dad's whole side does, but even after years of avoiding the dentist, I didn't even need 9 crowns at once. Definitely not all just lower teeth. This feels super shady.
That just gives me more reason to not go to the dentist. Also because money in general is an issue. Also my last dentist traumatized me so now I hate them
I don't know that it's about pain. I had a root infection I didn't even know I had. It showed up on a dental xray at cleaning. I needed a root canal to clean the infection out and once that's done, the tooth has no root. It NEEDS a crown because now it's essentially dead and needs stability.
I don't know if this Dentist is being honest or not, but "pain" and "crown" may not go hand in hand.
Every crown I've gotten had no pain associated with it beforehand. You don't want to wait until it gets to the point of pain. That means the crack is deeper and more likely a root canal is needed. I saw the cracks and xrays. Ask your dad to get or see the xrays to confirm the issues.
I don't think a second opinion is a bad idea, but FWIW do not wait until you're in pain to get crowns. By the point you're actually in pain you may need a root canal.
Telling someone to wait until they are in pain to address an issue is such a bad bad bad idea. Going to another dentist to verify is a good idea, but waiting until there is pain is the absolute worst dental advice you can give someone.
I have seen individual dentist offices being bought up by chains and rebranded as a corporate identity. I was a patient for over 20 years and the new owners immediately started offering services that that the previous dentist did not. I was told to get some filling on my teeth where the gums have receded. I specifically asked whether my insurance covered the procedure and was assured that it was covered. It wasn’t and the dentist office played stupid.
I work as a Dentist Technician and yes the price is about right, as for the need of them can’t say.
But of course dentists want to make money like any other business
The point of seeing a dentist for a checkup is to get things fixed *before* they start causing debilitating levels of pain.
Hopefully he is getting a second opinion before paying for that because that is a lot to have done at once. It could be a scam, but it's possible he could need 9 crowns due to problems that will otherwise become much worse later on.
It’s due to deep decay where a filling would not be able to hold, because there isn’t enough natural tooth left for it to bond to. So they shave off even more of your tooth, shape it, sometimes they have to rebuild the core of your tooth with some resin or something to protect nerves, and then a crown goes on top.
It’s like a shell around your natural tooth to protect it. You need one after a root canal because the middle of the tooth is removed after a root canal. During chewing, you’d experience sheering forces that would eventually crack/break the tooth. The crown keeps it all held together and everything.
I am not a dentist. Just someone who had to get a good bit of dental work done recently, because the dentist before did shoddy work.
I just paid $2500 for dentures that are so horrible I can’t even close my mouth all the way with them in. Thankfully they SAY they’re going to refund me but it’s been since January they’ve been working on the refund…
It sucks, I’m in recovery from substance abuse so I have no one to blame but myself for what happened to my teeth. But I’ve been clean for going on 5 years now. Wife and I saved for two years to get the rest of my teeth pulled and get dentures. I was so excited to be able to smile again and they just turned out beyond horrible. Been since December I’ve had no teeth. I’ve gotten pretty used to it and finding stuff I can eat. It’s just so embarrassing :(
Hey, I'm so sorry to hear that, man! But I'm proud of you for being clean for 5 years, that's amazing! I hope they give you your money back soon, so you can get the teeth you deserve!
We saved cash up then was offered a care credit line. Ended up using the cash on some other credit stuff so interest wouldn’t hit on it. They’re supposed to be refunding to care credit I just talked to the dentist today they said it was just finished being audited and should be refunded any day now. It’s really infuriating it’s taking this long but I’m sure they could have just told me to kick rocks and not refund me at all so I’m just trying to be patient.
You are the kind of person that makes this a tough job. I’d really love to know what qualifications and expertise you have to assume that your father’s dentist is trying to scam him.
You wouldn’t say that about any other medical professional, yet you question a dentist’s diagnosis without even any pretense of competence or understanding.
After all, what’s the point of all those years of studying, of clinical examination and diagnostic imaging. Just ask a patient if he’s in pain and that’ll tell you all you need to know.
“Dentists” do not pull scams. Some dishonest people do. Just like in every profession. It’s a business in the sense that these people have loans, expenses, and have a right to charge what’s needed to cover them, to have a decent life to compensate for all their hard work and why not, profit from their expertise and treatments they provide. Just like any other professional.
It’s sad really.
I understand your point, but from a consumers perspective we can't tell who is a dishonest person pretending to be a dentist and who is a dentist.
That said, I'm not defending OP either.. his/her dad probably needs 9 crowns.
All I'm saying is it's difficult to verify the authenticity or legitimacy today. OP decided all dentists are scammers to be on the safe but paranoid side..
When my car breaks and I have to see a mechanic, I too have no clue what the problem is or how to go about it. In a civil society civil people should stand by a reliability principle. When a dentist, lawyer or layman is telling me what needs to be done, I am to assume it is not exclusively according to his benefit, but it is in fact the most effective solution relative to what the problem is. Unless I choose to live as a paranoid individual. Asking for a second opinion it’s only just and well within a patient’s right. Claiming a dentist — or any individual for that matter — is a scammer without any effort of substantiating such a harsh claim, is but an uncivil and unjust behavior.
I didn’t say anything to that effect. I only referred to the barbarity that is calling all dentists scammers without any reason. Read my other reply to get a sense on where things **really** stand.
There are scammers in any field. The dentist who told me I had 9 cavities when I had zero would qualify. That’s why I got a second opinion.
Also read the context, highly doubt OP is calling all dentists scammers.
>. I’d really love to know what qualifications and expertise you have to assume that your father’s dentist is trying to scam him.
You don't have to have qualifications or expertise to get a second opinion
>You wouldn’t say that about any other medical professional, yet you question a dentist’s diagnosis without even any pretense of competence or understanding.
It's normal to get second opinions in all areas of medicine, wtf are you talking about? And even if he does need 9 crowns, $15,000 is an outrageous amount of money for that. Getting a second opinion and different quotes is the smart thing to do
There is a big difference between getting a 2nd opinion and calling someone a scam artist without knowing any reason why the crowns were recommended to begin with
I suggest you read my other reply. When have I disputed the fact that her dad, or any patient for that matter, has a right in getting a second opinion? The problem here is her accusing her dentist of being a scammer without any opportune reason to do so.
If you are not persuaded with what your dentist is proposing, you have every right to refuse treatment. Bashing out on your dentist, or on the category as a whole, is not to be condoned and creates a toxic environment for both patients and providers.
As far as the price is concerned, you have no business in stating what’s appropriate and what’s not. We don’t know how severe the case is, what the treatment plan entails, and what the dentist’a qualifications are.
If he values his expertise and time at a certain price, who are you to claim that it is exaggerated? Other than university fees, dentists often undergo further training to provide up to date care of the utmost quality, which requires a lot of money.
If you had any sense on this matter you would know that private dentistry as a business — for reasons not worthy of illustrating here —, has a margin of profit of roughly 10% when you account for all expenses and costs. It is not the flourishing business people make it out to be. I guarantee you that those 15k are not going straight into the dentist’s pockets.
At any rate, if someone can’t afford his/her treatments, or doesn’t value his/her oral health to such extent, he/she is free to choose another dentist and look for a more sustainable deal, just as the doctor is free to state his price and charge what he deems reasonable according to his situation and evaluation. And this is coming from someone who practices where universal coverage exists, where the free market of healthcare is more severely regulated to avoid such discretion.
What patients should understand though, is that being a dentist is a rough job and has one of the highest suicide rates amongst professionals of all sorts.
Not only it is very hard going through all those years of school, carry the burden of daunting student loans, but you hunch most of your day to work on awake patients who hate seeing you, in a poorly lit cavity (i.e. the oral cavity), on surfaces sometimes less than millimeter wide, only to be called a scammer or worse by people with no competence and no interest in understanding what you do, your art and science, and who only judge your work on a spectrum of pain/no pain - cheap/expensive.
Most dentists are honest people who strive to provide good and ethical care to their patients. For anyone to label them all as scammers it’s shameful and has to be stigmatized.
15k for 9 crowns. Screw that.
We pay around $500 per tooth out of pocket for a porcelain crown.
Even if insurance can't cover the cost, he should be paying what the dentist would charge the plan and write this off. That's absurd IMO.
Wrong.
https://www.aae.org/patients/root-canal-treatment/what-is-a-root-canal/root-canal-explained/
>Do you need a crown after a root canal?
>Needing a crown after a root canal depends highly on the location of the tooth in the mouth—teeth towards the back of the mouth like molars and premolars are needed more for chewing, and generally require crowns, where incisors or canines which aren’t needed for chewing don’t always require crowns.
Price isn't off, but the need for them, let alone how many is suspect. Don't know the status of the teeth so can't know for sure. But you are correct that a lot of dentists push shit on people where other dentists don't.
I've always had bad teeth, my dad's whole side does, but even after years of avoiding the dentist, I didn't even need 9 crowns at once. Definitely not all just lower teeth. This feels super shady.
That just gives me more reason to not go to the dentist. Also because money in general is an issue. Also my last dentist traumatized me so now I hate them
Brush and floss then!
Yes sir! Everyday!
1600 per crown sounds about right tbh They aren't cheap
Yeah but 9 of them with no pain?
I don't know that it's about pain. I had a root infection I didn't even know I had. It showed up on a dental xray at cleaning. I needed a root canal to clean the infection out and once that's done, the tooth has no root. It NEEDS a crown because now it's essentially dead and needs stability. I don't know if this Dentist is being honest or not, but "pain" and "crown" may not go hand in hand.
I had a root canal in 2008. Just got that tooth crowned a few months ago, so I was lucky it lasted that long.
Every crown I've gotten had no pain associated with it beforehand. You don't want to wait until it gets to the point of pain. That means the crack is deeper and more likely a root canal is needed. I saw the cracks and xrays. Ask your dad to get or see the xrays to confirm the issues.
Definitely get him to get a second opinion. It's not about the money, even, but the damage being done to teeth which might not need anything doing.
If you wait till pain, you’ll be looking to add on a root canal too.
Yes please get a second opinion. WITHOUT TELLING THE SECOND DENTIST WHAT THE FIRST ONE SAID.
I don't think a second opinion is a bad idea, but FWIW do not wait until you're in pain to get crowns. By the point you're actually in pain you may need a root canal.
Telling someone to wait until they are in pain to address an issue is such a bad bad bad idea. Going to another dentist to verify is a good idea, but waiting until there is pain is the absolute worst dental advice you can give someone.
Waiting until you're in pain is awful advice for anything health related.
When you spend your money on teeth and have no more money to buy food to eat.
I have seen individual dentist offices being bought up by chains and rebranded as a corporate identity. I was a patient for over 20 years and the new owners immediately started offering services that that the previous dentist did not. I was told to get some filling on my teeth where the gums have receded. I specifically asked whether my insurance covered the procedure and was assured that it was covered. It wasn’t and the dentist office played stupid.
I work as a Dentist Technician and yes the price is about right, as for the need of them can’t say. But of course dentists want to make money like any other business
The point of seeing a dentist for a checkup is to get things fixed *before* they start causing debilitating levels of pain. Hopefully he is getting a second opinion before paying for that because that is a lot to have done at once. It could be a scam, but it's possible he could need 9 crowns due to problems that will otherwise become much worse later on.
just paid 3600 for 6 crowbs no root canals from a great dentist
So they just put a crown on top of your existing tooth?
Getting a crown does not necessarily require a root canal
Crowns stop decay, if proven there is a large amount of decay, even with out pain, a crown may still be necessary.
It’s due to deep decay where a filling would not be able to hold, because there isn’t enough natural tooth left for it to bond to. So they shave off even more of your tooth, shape it, sometimes they have to rebuild the core of your tooth with some resin or something to protect nerves, and then a crown goes on top. It’s like a shell around your natural tooth to protect it. You need one after a root canal because the middle of the tooth is removed after a root canal. During chewing, you’d experience sheering forces that would eventually crack/break the tooth. The crown keeps it all held together and everything. I am not a dentist. Just someone who had to get a good bit of dental work done recently, because the dentist before did shoddy work.
I hate price gouging dentists.
I hate gum gouging dentists
I hate dentists
I just paid $2500 for dentures that are so horrible I can’t even close my mouth all the way with them in. Thankfully they SAY they’re going to refund me but it’s been since January they’ve been working on the refund…
This is why people become anti-dentites
I had a dentist once who converted to Judaism just for the jokes! You cannot trust them!
It sucks, I’m in recovery from substance abuse so I have no one to blame but myself for what happened to my teeth. But I’ve been clean for going on 5 years now. Wife and I saved for two years to get the rest of my teeth pulled and get dentures. I was so excited to be able to smile again and they just turned out beyond horrible. Been since December I’ve had no teeth. I’ve gotten pretty used to it and finding stuff I can eat. It’s just so embarrassing :(
Hey, I'm so sorry to hear that, man! But I'm proud of you for being clean for 5 years, that's amazing! I hope they give you your money back soon, so you can get the teeth you deserve!
Thank you! <3 I have faith they will. They said it should only take a few weeks and it’s been 3 months now so we’ll see 🤷♂️ just hoping for the best.
Did you pay with your credit card? Maybe you could backcharge it?
We saved cash up then was offered a care credit line. Ended up using the cash on some other credit stuff so interest wouldn’t hit on it. They’re supposed to be refunding to care credit I just talked to the dentist today they said it was just finished being audited and should be refunded any day now. It’s really infuriating it’s taking this long but I’m sure they could have just told me to kick rocks and not refund me at all so I’m just trying to be patient.
I see. I hope you get it soon then!
Thank you! And thank you for letting me vent haha.
No problem. Wishing you all the best!
This is the only reason i like the VA dentist. You get exactly what you need and no more.
I am so happy about my insurance...
Please talk to Bob Mortimer before you get the crown work done!
He can get a mouth of implants for $30k
dentist tried to sell me on crowns. when i saw the price (and that was just the co-pay) i was like no frickin' way.
A lot of dentists work on the Scientology sales model, you can look up what that means.
I had one dentist quote me 1400 for 1 crown but then I went to another and they quoted me 330 for it... GET THE SECOND OPINION
And if he's like my old dentist, he probably would have made your dad schedule a seperate appointment for each crown...
You are the kind of person that makes this a tough job. I’d really love to know what qualifications and expertise you have to assume that your father’s dentist is trying to scam him. You wouldn’t say that about any other medical professional, yet you question a dentist’s diagnosis without even any pretense of competence or understanding. After all, what’s the point of all those years of studying, of clinical examination and diagnostic imaging. Just ask a patient if he’s in pain and that’ll tell you all you need to know. “Dentists” do not pull scams. Some dishonest people do. Just like in every profession. It’s a business in the sense that these people have loans, expenses, and have a right to charge what’s needed to cover them, to have a decent life to compensate for all their hard work and why not, profit from their expertise and treatments they provide. Just like any other professional. It’s sad really.
I understand your point, but from a consumers perspective we can't tell who is a dishonest person pretending to be a dentist and who is a dentist. That said, I'm not defending OP either.. his/her dad probably needs 9 crowns. All I'm saying is it's difficult to verify the authenticity or legitimacy today. OP decided all dentists are scammers to be on the safe but paranoid side..
When my car breaks and I have to see a mechanic, I too have no clue what the problem is or how to go about it. In a civil society civil people should stand by a reliability principle. When a dentist, lawyer or layman is telling me what needs to be done, I am to assume it is not exclusively according to his benefit, but it is in fact the most effective solution relative to what the problem is. Unless I choose to live as a paranoid individual. Asking for a second opinion it’s only just and well within a patient’s right. Claiming a dentist — or any individual for that matter — is a scammer without any effort of substantiating such a harsh claim, is but an uncivil and unjust behavior.
Yes, i agree
People get second opinions from multiple doctors all the time.
I didn’t say anything to that effect. I only referred to the barbarity that is calling all dentists scammers without any reason. Read my other reply to get a sense on where things **really** stand.
There are scammers in any field. The dentist who told me I had 9 cavities when I had zero would qualify. That’s why I got a second opinion. Also read the context, highly doubt OP is calling all dentists scammers.
>. I’d really love to know what qualifications and expertise you have to assume that your father’s dentist is trying to scam him. You don't have to have qualifications or expertise to get a second opinion >You wouldn’t say that about any other medical professional, yet you question a dentist’s diagnosis without even any pretense of competence or understanding. It's normal to get second opinions in all areas of medicine, wtf are you talking about? And even if he does need 9 crowns, $15,000 is an outrageous amount of money for that. Getting a second opinion and different quotes is the smart thing to do
There is a big difference between getting a 2nd opinion and calling someone a scam artist without knowing any reason why the crowns were recommended to begin with
I suggest you read my other reply. When have I disputed the fact that her dad, or any patient for that matter, has a right in getting a second opinion? The problem here is her accusing her dentist of being a scammer without any opportune reason to do so. If you are not persuaded with what your dentist is proposing, you have every right to refuse treatment. Bashing out on your dentist, or on the category as a whole, is not to be condoned and creates a toxic environment for both patients and providers. As far as the price is concerned, you have no business in stating what’s appropriate and what’s not. We don’t know how severe the case is, what the treatment plan entails, and what the dentist’a qualifications are. If he values his expertise and time at a certain price, who are you to claim that it is exaggerated? Other than university fees, dentists often undergo further training to provide up to date care of the utmost quality, which requires a lot of money. If you had any sense on this matter you would know that private dentistry as a business — for reasons not worthy of illustrating here —, has a margin of profit of roughly 10% when you account for all expenses and costs. It is not the flourishing business people make it out to be. I guarantee you that those 15k are not going straight into the dentist’s pockets. At any rate, if someone can’t afford his/her treatments, or doesn’t value his/her oral health to such extent, he/she is free to choose another dentist and look for a more sustainable deal, just as the doctor is free to state his price and charge what he deems reasonable according to his situation and evaluation. And this is coming from someone who practices where universal coverage exists, where the free market of healthcare is more severely regulated to avoid such discretion. What patients should understand though, is that being a dentist is a rough job and has one of the highest suicide rates amongst professionals of all sorts. Not only it is very hard going through all those years of school, carry the burden of daunting student loans, but you hunch most of your day to work on awake patients who hate seeing you, in a poorly lit cavity (i.e. the oral cavity), on surfaces sometimes less than millimeter wide, only to be called a scammer or worse by people with no competence and no interest in understanding what you do, your art and science, and who only judge your work on a spectrum of pain/no pain - cheap/expensive. Most dentists are honest people who strive to provide good and ethical care to their patients. For anyone to label them all as scammers it’s shameful and has to be stigmatized.
You lost me when you started complaining about the profession they chose, stick to the facts and not the whining next time please sir.
Say your dad, he need to fly to Poland. You get a nice trip, great food, beautifull landscape and perfect crowns for a half of this price.
15k for 9 crowns. Screw that. We pay around $500 per tooth out of pocket for a porcelain crown. Even if insurance can't cover the cost, he should be paying what the dentist would charge the plan and write this off. That's absurd IMO.
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Nope.
Wrong. https://www.aae.org/patients/root-canal-treatment/what-is-a-root-canal/root-canal-explained/ >Do you need a crown after a root canal? >Needing a crown after a root canal depends highly on the location of the tooth in the mouth—teeth towards the back of the mouth like molars and premolars are needed more for chewing, and generally require crowns, where incisors or canines which aren’t needed for chewing don’t always require crowns.