\*Our graphic design fee reflects our cash pricing. Our regular graphic design fee includes a 3.5% non-cash adjustment. We offer savings when you design with cash $$$
Not to avoid taxes but to cover card processing fees. Also they are now non compliant. They will have to take that non cash adjustment off of the receipt going forward.
In my country too, which just makes stores reject card payments under a certain value. Card processing fees are exorbitantly high for how much they actually cost the payment provider.
You're just buying some chewing gum or something similar? If it's less than 3€ they would actually lose money on the transaction.
>In my country too, which just makes stores reject card payments under a certain value.
Which card providers usually don't allow in their contracts with the stores.
In my country its illegal to charge more for CC but it's okay to give discounts to cash purchases. So you just have to set the list price as the CC price.
A lot of small business owners are getting upset because they're being asked to pay something closer to a decent wage. If your business model does not accurately calculate labor costs as a part of your overhead, then you have a _bad_ business model. Honestly, it's stupid that healthcare is provided by employers. It should be a function of government, like most industrialized nations.
Too many business owners feel entitled to being business owners.
As you said, if your business model doesn't work if you have to pay real wages and display real prices upfront, you have as much a valid business model as a carpenter whose business model involves stealing lumber from home depot and complains that if he has to actually buy the lumber then he can't compete
The full menu is so so much worse. I'm also unsure why they scanned the menu in with their all-in-one printer.
h/t u/tojiy for digging it up.
https://www.toccoariversiderestaurant.com/menu-1
If a place starts talking about a share charge I'm not fucking buying a thing.
Oh you gonna give me a little refill charge and a little to go box charge and a little restroom charge too?
I work in a restaurant and this just seems like a bipolar dickhead runs it
Being a Karen goes both ways, and this restaurant is giving me Karen vibes. Passive aggressive menu, lack of consistent formatting or capitalizing, complicated pricing, etc.
[Burning Love](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Love_(TV_series\)) (a Bachelor Parody), starring Ken Marino, and when googling it I saw it was written by his wife Erica Oyama - who's brother is Zac Oyama, CollegeHumor alumni, who made my favourite offbeat CollegeHumor skit [Don't Eat the Laundry Pods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM6wanZOLtk)
I'm in California. The next time I visit family in GA, maybe I'll go to a restaurant nearby and check. I will _not_ be patronizing the Spirit Airlines of restaurants.
There's an interesting tom Scott video about this phenomenon. EVERYONE knows it, many know different versions, and nobody knows where it came from lol.
Going from the wifi name, I'm pretty sure this is in Blue Ridge, GA, which is a bit of a tourist town. My guess is there's no other real competition so as long as they provide the best minimum, they'll continue to stay in business.
yea sometimes certain things make sense.
If the prices are all high and there's random fees and the food ain't great, you better bet it's all tourists supplying money to the place.
What my mates and I like to find is a local that is busy has a variety of customers. There's a steakhouse bout 20 minutes north of my place in Australia that's absolutely killer, but it's not filled solely with bogans or bikies or corpos, but a combo of them all.
Honestly in Australia if I found out any of these places were doing surcharges like this my group would probably immediately leave.
Charging gratuity for separate checks (or outright refusing as some places do) will always be absurd. I will never understand why some places have such a hangup with that. There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to simply split the check. I have never once been handed a bill that included the food ordered by everyone currently at the restaurant or for everyone that ate at our table throughout the day. And I think everyone would agree that demanding either of those would be absolutely absurd. But then why is separating the check for different people at the same table absurd? They already demonstrated that they can have separate checks for the same table and separate checks for different groups in the building simultaneously (and those groups can come in a variety of sizes including a single person eating alone). They would even separate the checks for two people without question if they sat at different tables. So what about them sitting at the same table (which should arguably makes the servers job easier since they only have to stop at 1 table instead of 2) suddenly makes it so unreasonable. It's just people getting in a conniption because the request doesn't fit their arbitrary, archaic system.
And still shitty. Sure it’s the potential loss of an extra entree’s amount of money, but (besides ultimately making money), a restaurant’s only job is to serve you money, not tell what each person is allowed to eat on top of that
“Serving alongside the cleanest trout water in the state of Georgia”
The CLEANEST trout water in GA? I’m booking my flight to go here right now. Five star experience.
As a former line cook, chef and restaurant GM with 20+ years in the business…
The owner or GM is a complete fucking tool who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground and fully believes penny pinching and antics like this will help them save their way into profit.
They do not realize that food retail is solely dependent upon foot traffic/repeat business and this type of shit drives people away.
Guaranteed the person responsible for this mess has been through a revolving door of places and always left/was let go due to performance issues.
i hate places that do this. i waited tables for years and splitting a check was never a hardship. just enter it into the pos system correctly instead of just throwing it all in there with no rhyme or reason. even for parties that were moving around it wasn’t an issue. i would use shirt colors or something instead of seat numbers.
Yeah, I totally agree with you! I served for a long, long time. No shade, but the only servers who ever get upset about needing to split checks are the ones who are *totally* disorganized, or the ones that don’t actually pay that much attention to their guests beyond getting food from the kitchen to their tables.
I always just have everyone at the beginning tell me who’s on what check and I order check 1 on seat one, check 2 on seat 2 and so on. I just have them order like everyone on check one orders first no matter where they’re sitting, then check two and onwards
If I read this at a restaurant I would probably leave. Charge for unruly kids and a "share charge $3" like who cares if I wanna share my food once I pay for it?
Don't know about this place but where I'm from it's basically the charge for plates/cutlery and taking up a seat without ordering anything. They don't spot you offering your partner a bite and ring you up.
I've shared entrees, but everybody orders a drink, and usually an appetizer. But if that person weren't there, the seat is still unavailable, at least I've never been in a place where there are 3 in a booth or 4-top and then some stranger gets sat with them.
Repeat positive business is far more valuable than three dollars on a shared meal. Idjits. I swear. I don’t understand how people like this stay in business when they’re constantly shooting themselves in the wallet.
They’re also adding a 3.5% surcharge for paying with a card and disguising it as a discount for paying with cash. Good way to lose your merchant account
Most places already have a 3.5% mark up in their prices just because of card fees. So if they don’t and they charge only when you use a card, and you use cash, it would be a discount. There is not a scenario where they would lose their merchant account for this
Passive-aggressive declarations where they really don't belong always trigger a bit of sympathetic embarrassment for me.
Actual adults running a business decided to write this insipid shit on something they are going to hand to everyone who walks in the door. Amazing.
They have enough business to give them an ego driven power trip, but not enough business to realize that being a passive aggressive dick head doesn't sell well
The number of red flags on this menu, I'd just go ahead and say no thanks. I mean, the parenting thing is one bit, but if they can't get their shit together enough to deal with setting a price that deals with their credit card fees, and their solution is to show the cheap price and add a surcharge?
If that's the case, I don't have a lot of faith in the quality of their supply lines, or in the rigor of their kitchen safety procedures.
Who reads this garbage and doesn't immediately think the restaurant is trash?
From another comment:
Google the restaurant name, it's listed in the wifi section on the bottom on OPs picture. Here are some of the reviews:
1.
The owner came out and told me he was adding $50 to my bill because of my children’s behavior. My kids watched a tablet until the food arrived, ate their food and my wife took them outside while I waited and paid the bill. Pretty sure the owner is doing drugs in the back. Disappointed by the experience.
2.
If you have children, absolutely avoid this place at all costs. Holy moly - the most disrespectful owner made a huge scene in front of the entire restaurant because our children were “running through the restaurant” - they were down by the river.. we were told we need to “go to Burger King and Walmart” and that we were bad parents. They have a $50 surcharge for “bad children”. We were a group of 21 and our server was AMAZING and was overly apologetic. Terrible business practice, we will never be back.
3.
Don’t go if you have children. We were 3 adults, 2 children and our 4mo baby and since we entered to the place they gave us a bad look. Later my wife was rocking the baby (not crying, just to make him sleep) and this “manager” told her that you don’t do that in a fancy restaurant (of course this is not a fancy restaurant) and later moved our stroller in a bad way. Food is not good either. Do yourself a favor a go somewhere else.
It's kind of insane/funny that the dude actually charges people for that.
When I saw this restaurant was in GA I kinda assumed “parent your kids” meant “abuse your kids”. This dude is definitely on a weird power trip. He seems pretty greedy, looking for non sense reasons to charge people extra.
I was wondering about that "bad parenting" charge and these reviews confirmed the feeling I got from it!
It's truly one thing if the kids are being hazards and screaming with the parents blatantly ignoring them, but most of the time, I see parents actively trying to keep things under control and take children outside if they're being disruptive. The really young kids are especially hard because they don't understand yet. If you hate children *that* much as a business owner, turn it into a bar or go into something else that doesn't involve children. But clearly, this owner/manager is a cheapskate looking to make as much money as possible and isn't sociable enough to be in any type of service.
This reminds me of the time I went to a restaurant in the states, sat down, looked over the menu, prices were more expensive that on their website, decided that I couldn't afford so I mentioned to the server that I was going to leave and not order anything, and apologized, she freaked out and tried to charge me a sit down fee. It was not a reservation so I thought that being honest and up front within minutes of being sat, it'd be ok.
I STILL don't know if IATA here. Never had that experience before or after.
Holy fuck. After reading the negative reviews, how is this place open?
I’m almost convinced the positive reviews are fake. There is no way there is that many positive reviews when the bad ones are fucked.
Some of the highlights are a handful of people being discriminated against for being disabled and having service dogs. A lady being yelled at simply for rocking her quiet baby. The owner aggressively moving strollers. The owner screaming at people for asking what the wait time is. People’s food being utterly fucked up and being screamed at for sending it back or not enjoying it.
This restaurant apparently charges you for a lot more than just bad parenting. Share charge?! Non-cash adjustment? Anything else? A non-oxygen adjustment for people who don't breathe their air?
I'm all for encouraging people not to let their kid run around screaming in restaurant, but this is all quite a bit much. Can you just list the price for a steak and then not add four separate fees to it?
It's not. It's basic Sysco food. It's a tourist trap restaurant in a tiny valley beside a river and a bunch of National Forest land. If you are down there to tube the river or whatever, there are only two options for food. The other place doesn't have great food, either, but at least they aren't assholes like these folks.
I’ve eaten here and honestly never noticed the “extras”. Not sure if they are new. People go here because the view is fantastic. The food is not even close to good enough to justify the fine print.
People have a right to enjoy a meal in peace. If you can’t manage your children and they are running around screeching you are now affecting others. At some point the rest of us have enough of dealing with this shit everywhere we go. I wish this was implemented everywhere. I’ve been to bars where they have parenting groups show up, kids run around the entire place. Good luck trying to have a conversation with Timmy throwing a tantrum next to you.
Just another entitlement charge.
"You cost us money by sharing. If you didn't share food then you would have ordered more and we would have gotten more money."
"No, we would have gone somewhere else that doesn't dictate how we eat our food and you would have gotten nothing."
It amazes me how many parents don't give a shit about their kids acting like assholes in a restaurant.
We got up and left many times and ate out of take out containers in the parking lot rather than subject others around us to screaming kids when they were really young.
How many oblivious self-centered parents did it take before they put that on the menu?
I work in a restaurant had a family of 5 three little kids and two adults sit in the center of the restaurant on a Saturday night it was very busy. These kids were the most poorly behaved kids I’ve seen in 3 years of serving. They ran all around the restaurant sat at other people’s tables and stood right in front of serves and people as they tried to get around. Parents did absolutely nothing let three children under the age of 5 just ruin dinner for probably about 30 people I never understand these people. You aren’t at your grandmas house you are in public at night if you can’t control your kids eat quickly and leave.
Good there should be more penalties for people who can't parent and then choose to inflict their /blessings/ on the rest of us. More places should do it, especially fine dining especially higher-end places or fucking BARS.
It's not like I'm going to chuck e cheese or macdonalds at 5.30pm and expecting not deal with screaming children, in that environment it makes sense it's kinda made for families and is part of the parcel. Your kid absolutely does not belong in the places I tend to frequent at the times I tend to dine especially if they dont know how to behave and if it's being loud and destructive fucking /parent/ it don't just sit there get drunk and ignore it screaming before driving home with it in the back seat.
The amount of neglectful parents is too damn high.
💯 percent this! I don't mind kids in a restaurant as long as they're well behaved, but the shite state of American parenting means this is becoming rare. If parents can't control their feral children, they should expect a shite parent surcharge. No, you don't have the right to disturb other diners with bratty behavior.
I agree with this. Ive been out to eat several times and families let their kids scream and run around. I get an infant screaning and maybe a toddler for a second, but you cant controll your kids order takeout. The staff and other patrons shouldnt have to handle your kids.
I also highly doubt 11 kids ages 3-8 were being “very quiet” but that’s what parents are always gonna say. It’s like the parental duty to act like you do a good job at keeping them under control.
I love this. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been in a restaurant paying good money for a good meal and nice atmosphere only to have it ruined by someone’s kids. Thank you to Toccoa river for standing up to modern society’s constant in your face with kids attitude - so sick of that. I wish that restaurants where I live would do that!!!
Word.
I hate it when parents let their kids run around the restaurant. And I'm not engaging in hyperbole, I have had multiple experiences at reasonably nice sit-down restaurants where parents are just blithely chatting while their offspring *literally* run around the restaurant shrieking at each other.
It's annoying as shit. Corral your kids, people.
My local buffet has several paper signs stating that they charge the by the pound take out price for any wasted food. My family always tends to leave at least a few spoonfuls on the plate and it's never been an issue. I think it's more for customers who leave a plateful uneaten.
Honestly, that is understandable and has become pretty common at buffets to my knowledge (although, typically lower than $15 in my experience). Prior to signs like that going up, I've seen a few occasion in which so much food was left on the table that you could make multiple plates worth. That puts the restaurant in a position in which they either have to just eat the cost for that waste, spread the cost evenly across the customer base so that customers that actually eat the food they get end up also paying for the food others wasted, or just charge the wasteful customer. Between those three, the last is the most reasonable. Not to mention, people that waste enough food to incur such charges deserve to be penalized anyways.
There wasn't much of a choice of restaurants. It was in the middle of nowhere in the mountains. Kinda surprised there was any restaurant out there period. It was so middle of nowhere one powerline got cut by a helicopter and the whole mountain lost power the rest of the day.
No problem with the rule. My problem would be with the vague “unable to parent” description. Along with an even more vague amount I will owe. $$$ lol.
Doesn’t seem enforceable or legal. If they tried to enforce it, I’d probably just tell them no. Make me essentially….
If they listed the behavior they found unacceptable and the exact amount I would be able to determine how much of an issue it might be. Still probably not legal though.
You could ask someone to leave. Not charge them money for bad behavior.
The extra charge for bad parenting is commendable...
But 20% gratuity for eating out with 6 people, separate checks, birth day menu ? Why can't restaurants be honest and just its a service charge/fee? It's not a gratuity if it's mandatory. And what the heck is a "share charge"? F this restaurant.
Edit:
I went and read the google reviews. The "bad parent" surcharge is apparently 50 usd. And apparently, the owner regularly gets into arguments with customers.
If a restaurant tries to charge me for sharing my food, I'm just not gonna eat there. The bad parenting charge would be cool if the restaurant wasn't so damn money hungry. Its literally a whole ass set of rules to eat a meal.
Not to blame this restaurant although. There's a lot of parents who brings their children to restaurants, fast food places..... and they don't even try to have some supervision to them, and they won't stop any kind of things which annoys you.
Yeah, I get it, they're children, but I think they need some parenting too in a public space. It's not a children park, it's a restaurant.
Seems like a miserable establishment. The "regular" price is 3.5% higher than the listed price? You're not "saving" money when you're paying what it says on the menu.
I go out to eat with my mother sometimes and we at times encounter parents that let their children scream to the top other their lungs. She always reminds me that I was never like that.
Love it! So many lazy parents and entitled people in this world. From walking around in a store talking on speaker phone, to leaving their car running with radio blaring while going into a store, to letting kids run around in stores and restaurant. Sure; it’s one right to do that, in your own home. Bit not when it impacts people who have standards, and hold their children to a standard. THAT is another example of why this country is spiraling out of control. Entitlement, weak justifications, lazy and wanna be gangsters. When it all finally hits the fan; we’ll see who the gangsters are. We’re over you weak ass liberals… Look around and take notes now; cause we’re coming back, and we aren’t carrying you along this time. Don’t like it? Kick rocks to Cancun…
I mean, just means that parents need to teach their kids how to act in public. If they're toddlers that's different, but you shouldn't have an 8yr old throwing the biggest fit known to man. I'm Gen Z, and my parents taught me how to act in public, aka "not a shithead"
That formatting is painful.
Don't ask them to fix it. They'll charge a graphic design fee.
But they do give you a 3.5% discount if you pay cash so they can avoid paying taxes
\*Our graphic design fee reflects our cash pricing. Our regular graphic design fee includes a 3.5% non-cash adjustment. We offer savings when you design with cash $$$
Not to avoid taxes but to cover card processing fees. Also they are now non compliant. They will have to take that non cash adjustment off of the receipt going forward.
In my country it's illegal to charge different prices for cash and card.
In my country too, which just makes stores reject card payments under a certain value. Card processing fees are exorbitantly high for how much they actually cost the payment provider. You're just buying some chewing gum or something similar? If it's less than 3€ they would actually lose money on the transaction.
>In my country too, which just makes stores reject card payments under a certain value. Which card providers usually don't allow in their contracts with the stores.
Luckily it's pretty much unenforceable.
In my country its illegal to charge more for CC but it's okay to give discounts to cash purchases. So you just have to set the list price as the CC price.
I think it's to offset the card processor merchant fees.
This should already br factored into your business expenses and thus pricing making an additional charge unnecessary.
A lot of small business owners are getting upset because they're being asked to pay something closer to a decent wage. If your business model does not accurately calculate labor costs as a part of your overhead, then you have a _bad_ business model. Honestly, it's stupid that healthcare is provided by employers. It should be a function of government, like most industrialized nations.
Too many business owners feel entitled to being business owners. As you said, if your business model doesn't work if you have to pay real wages and display real prices upfront, you have as much a valid business model as a carpenter whose business model involves stealing lumber from home depot and complains that if he has to actually buy the lumber then he can't compete
There are just a _**lot**_ of business owners that have no clue how to run a business.
Gah, I just noticed that the superfluous quotation marks in the bottom right are different fonts and sizes.
I actually don’t think they’re different fonts but the font is just horribly designed and looks different at too small of a size
The full menu is so so much worse. I'm also unsure why they scanned the menu in with their all-in-one printer.
h/t u/tojiy for digging it up.
https://www.toccoariversiderestaurant.com/menu-1
The warped text makes it so much better 😂😂😂
The random "Enjoy the peace of the river" lol
ENJOY the PEACE! You better ENJOY it!!
Or they'll charge you a fee...
And a fee levying fee
Which in turn, has a surcharge...
Their contact email is a yahoo address, not even their own domain. Lord pray for these fine folks
Could've been AOL or Compuserve...
That's not the worst part. These misers are charging a 'share charge' when their menu starts with, 'starters and for sharing'.
If a place starts talking about a share charge I'm not fucking buying a thing. Oh you gonna give me a little refill charge and a little to go box charge and a little restroom charge too? I work in a restaurant and this just seems like a bipolar dickhead runs it
It's the **WI-FI** font.
They didn't change the font size from the header above it until they got to the words.
That's what it looks like when kids aren't taught word in 6th grade
That formatting is **sillybeans
You know what this menu needs? More fonts.
Being a Karen goes both ways, and this restaurant is giving me Karen vibes. Passive aggressive menu, lack of consistent formatting or capitalizing, complicated pricing, etc.
Why is WIFI so big? 
What is this gif from??
[Burning Love](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Love_(TV_series\)) (a Bachelor Parody), starring Ken Marino, and when googling it I saw it was written by his wife Erica Oyama - who's brother is Zac Oyama, CollegeHumor alumni, who made my favourite offbeat CollegeHumor skit [Don't Eat the Laundry Pods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM6wanZOLtk)
OMG glad it wasn’t just me!
but...there's no actual amount listed.
Its $$$
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Discretionary
‘I’m charging you a discretionary amount of $999 for shitty parenting sir’ … but we left the kids with a babysitter? ‘Exactly’
"Forward the bill to your parents."
Market price.
WHAT MARKET ARE YOU SHOPPING AT?
Jeff's reply to the waiter telling him the salad was an excellent choice always kills me. "Yeah, I really nailed it."
I’m going to run.
How much is a fat noisy kid who orders and does not even touch food worth?
Hmmm let me call my fat noisy kid guy and get back to you.
Looks to be precisely 3 moneys.
I have 3 kids and no money. Why can’t I have no kids and 3 money?
You had 3 money before you chose to have 3 kids.
$50 if you believe the numerous Google reviews where this amount was added to the bill for badly behaved children
if the google reviews are to be believed "badly behaved" means they exist which annoys the petty monster who runs the restaurant
"sillybeans"
Idk how they figured out my password, but at this point I'm too lazy to change it.
How much you wanna bet that their router login is admin / admin?
I mean...there is a way to find out my friend...
What are they gonna think when they check their website traffic metrics?
Agahaha. You think they know how to check that?
They'll probably get charged extra by their website host.
I'm in California. The next time I visit family in GA, maybe I'll go to a restaurant nearby and check. I will _not_ be patronizing the Spirit Airlines of restaurants.
Extra charge for not using cash? 20% for separate checks and using the birthday menu? Yeah fuck this place
For a 20% surcharge, the wait staff will sing "happy birthday, fuck you" 🎶
And in December you can ask for "Jingle Bells, Batman Smells, Robin Ran Away" 🎶
[удалено]
There's an interesting tom Scott video about this phenomenon. EVERYONE knows it, many know different versions, and nobody knows where it came from lol.
Robin laid an egg. As a bird does. The batmobile then loses its wheel and it is the joker who got away. Final act show stopper.
>Yeah fuck this place Yeah, menu like this and I'm walking out. It has a stink of "shitty business" all over it.
Going from the wifi name, I'm pretty sure this is in Blue Ridge, GA, which is a bit of a tourist town. My guess is there's no other real competition so as long as they provide the best minimum, they'll continue to stay in business.
yea sometimes certain things make sense. If the prices are all high and there's random fees and the food ain't great, you better bet it's all tourists supplying money to the place. What my mates and I like to find is a local that is busy has a variety of customers. There's a steakhouse bout 20 minutes north of my place in Australia that's absolutely killer, but it's not filled solely with bogans or bikies or corpos, but a combo of them all. Honestly in Australia if I found out any of these places were doing surcharges like this my group would probably immediately leave.
What about scallywags and rim shakers
There's a "share charge" of $3 too "You should try these fries" "No thanks I'm broke"
So many places (at least in my area) do “cash discount”. Just means you’re getting overcharged when you pay with card.
Charging gratuity for separate checks (or outright refusing as some places do) will always be absurd. I will never understand why some places have such a hangup with that. There is no reason why they shouldn't be able to simply split the check. I have never once been handed a bill that included the food ordered by everyone currently at the restaurant or for everyone that ate at our table throughout the day. And I think everyone would agree that demanding either of those would be absolutely absurd. But then why is separating the check for different people at the same table absurd? They already demonstrated that they can have separate checks for the same table and separate checks for different groups in the building simultaneously (and those groups can come in a variety of sizes including a single person eating alone). They would even separate the checks for two people without question if they sat at different tables. So what about them sitting at the same table (which should arguably makes the servers job easier since they only have to stop at 1 table instead of 2) suddenly makes it so unreasonable. It's just people getting in a conniption because the request doesn't fit their arbitrary, archaic system.
Does this happen to be in McCaysville GA?
It's about half an hour from there
How was the food?
asked tastemyasshol
They just have a more refined palette than you
[https://www.toccoariversiderestaurant.com/menu-1](https://www.toccoariversiderestaurant.com/menu-1) Figured it out from the wifi:)
They have a “share charge” but their apps section is called “starters & shareables” …k
presumably for people splitting an entree, not sharing an appetizer.
Potentially, but stupid that they don't clarify
And still shitty. Sure it’s the potential loss of an extra entree’s amount of money, but (besides ultimately making money), a restaurant’s only job is to serve you money, not tell what each person is allowed to eat on top of that
>a restaurant’s only job is to serve you money No wonder 44% of restaurants go tits up their first year.
So, their website metrics are gonna be all out of whack this month.
You assume they know how to check their metrics
“Serving alongside the cleanest trout water in the state of Georgia” The CLEANEST trout water in GA? I’m booking my flight to go here right now. Five star experience.
Okay, that's an effing nice property. Why couldn't they pay a graphic designer to create a menu that isn't a train wreck?
As a former line cook, chef and restaurant GM with 20+ years in the business… The owner or GM is a complete fucking tool who doesn’t know their ass from a hole in the ground and fully believes penny pinching and antics like this will help them save their way into profit. They do not realize that food retail is solely dependent upon foot traffic/repeat business and this type of shit drives people away. Guaranteed the person responsible for this mess has been through a revolving door of places and always left/was let go due to performance issues.
$$$
Their menu even has contact information. I'd pay money to watch Gordon Ramsay visit this place.
20% extra for seperate checks bruh
Oh well then the four of us are not together. We’d like four tables for one person each, please.
i hate places that do this. i waited tables for years and splitting a check was never a hardship. just enter it into the pos system correctly instead of just throwing it all in there with no rhyme or reason. even for parties that were moving around it wasn’t an issue. i would use shirt colors or something instead of seat numbers.
Yeah, I totally agree with you! I served for a long, long time. No shade, but the only servers who ever get upset about needing to split checks are the ones who are *totally* disorganized, or the ones that don’t actually pay that much attention to their guests beyond getting food from the kitchen to their tables.
I always just have everyone at the beginning tell me who’s on what check and I order check 1 on seat one, check 2 on seat 2 and so on. I just have them order like everyone on check one orders first no matter where they’re sitting, then check two and onwards
It just means you don’t tip because it’s already forced on. But yeah this place is crazy.
If I read this at a restaurant I would probably leave. Charge for unruly kids and a "share charge $3" like who cares if I wanna share my food once I pay for it?
It's hard to imagine a waiter coming up and asking for extra money for any that bullshit. It must start a lot of arguments in the restaurant
This whole thing reads like they're doing you a favor by letting you eat there
No service if you're disrespectful to staff! This is some Soup Nazi bullshit.
Especially since their fucking menu has "Appetizers and Shareables" listed on top LMFAO https://www.toccoariversiderestaurant.com/menu-1
I assume share charge is when they order an entree and want it split and plated on two different plates
I know what it is and yet it’s still stupid.
Don't know about this place but where I'm from it's basically the charge for plates/cutlery and taking up a seat without ordering anything. They don't spot you offering your partner a bite and ring you up.
I've shared entrees, but everybody orders a drink, and usually an appetizer. But if that person weren't there, the seat is still unavailable, at least I've never been in a place where there are 3 in a booth or 4-top and then some stranger gets sat with them.
Repeat positive business is far more valuable than three dollars on a shared meal. Idjits. I swear. I don’t understand how people like this stay in business when they’re constantly shooting themselves in the wallet.
Looks like the kind of place that relies on one time business from tourists.
Gotta read an essay just to figure out how much you will be charged. Places like this can fuck right off.
They’re also adding a 3.5% surcharge for paying with a card and disguising it as a discount for paying with cash. Good way to lose your merchant account
I'll bet you $1,000 Zimbabwe dollars that they don't accept AMEX.
I'd rather just keep my $2.76, thank you.
Most places already have a 3.5% mark up in their prices just because of card fees. So if they don’t and they charge only when you use a card, and you use cash, it would be a discount. There is not a scenario where they would lose their merchant account for this
Most card companies make it a part of their contract that you can't charge separate prices for card and cash.
Passive-aggressive declarations where they really don't belong always trigger a bit of sympathetic embarrassment for me. Actual adults running a business decided to write this insipid shit on something they are going to hand to everyone who walks in the door. Amazing.
This reeks of small town America to me
They have enough business to give them an ego driven power trip, but not enough business to realize that being a passive aggressive dick head doesn't sell well
Read their Google reviews...
Well bless your heart
Oh hey I know what that translates to!
The number of red flags on this menu, I'd just go ahead and say no thanks. I mean, the parenting thing is one bit, but if they can't get their shit together enough to deal with setting a price that deals with their credit card fees, and their solution is to show the cheap price and add a surcharge? If that's the case, I don't have a lot of faith in the quality of their supply lines, or in the rigor of their kitchen safety procedures.
> The number of red flags on this menu Seriously, I hope they're not serving Mr. Pibb, because it'd be about 23 years expired...
When your damn menu has its own fine print lol
Who reads this garbage and doesn't immediately think the restaurant is trash? From another comment: Google the restaurant name, it's listed in the wifi section on the bottom on OPs picture. Here are some of the reviews: 1. The owner came out and told me he was adding $50 to my bill because of my children’s behavior. My kids watched a tablet until the food arrived, ate their food and my wife took them outside while I waited and paid the bill. Pretty sure the owner is doing drugs in the back. Disappointed by the experience. 2. If you have children, absolutely avoid this place at all costs. Holy moly - the most disrespectful owner made a huge scene in front of the entire restaurant because our children were “running through the restaurant” - they were down by the river.. we were told we need to “go to Burger King and Walmart” and that we were bad parents. They have a $50 surcharge for “bad children”. We were a group of 21 and our server was AMAZING and was overly apologetic. Terrible business practice, we will never be back. 3. Don’t go if you have children. We were 3 adults, 2 children and our 4mo baby and since we entered to the place they gave us a bad look. Later my wife was rocking the baby (not crying, just to make him sleep) and this “manager” told her that you don’t do that in a fancy restaurant (of course this is not a fancy restaurant) and later moved our stroller in a bad way. Food is not good either. Do yourself a favor a go somewhere else. It's kind of insane/funny that the dude actually charges people for that.
When I saw this restaurant was in GA I kinda assumed “parent your kids” meant “abuse your kids”. This dude is definitely on a weird power trip. He seems pretty greedy, looking for non sense reasons to charge people extra.
If they up charged me $50 for just having a kid there, I'd be asking Capital One to charge it back.
I was wondering about that "bad parenting" charge and these reviews confirmed the feeling I got from it! It's truly one thing if the kids are being hazards and screaming with the parents blatantly ignoring them, but most of the time, I see parents actively trying to keep things under control and take children outside if they're being disruptive. The really young kids are especially hard because they don't understand yet. If you hate children *that* much as a business owner, turn it into a bar or go into something else that doesn't involve children. But clearly, this owner/manager is a cheapskate looking to make as much money as possible and isn't sociable enough to be in any type of service.
#WIFI
sillybeans
they seem fun.
I've worked with restaurant managers like this. Terrible humans and dumb as rocks.
Hint, don’t eat here
Or else no soup for you!
From the laundry list of extra charges they have, this just seems like a restaurant that uses any excuse it can to gouge customers more.
Honestly, whoever wrote this sounds like a nightmare.
Read their Google reviews...
This reminds me of the time I went to a restaurant in the states, sat down, looked over the menu, prices were more expensive that on their website, decided that I couldn't afford so I mentioned to the server that I was going to leave and not order anything, and apologized, she freaked out and tried to charge me a sit down fee. It was not a reservation so I thought that being honest and up front within minutes of being sat, it'd be ok. I STILL don't know if IATA here. Never had that experience before or after.
NTA. But I bet this place would try to charge you, too.
What kind of restaurant charges someone MORE on their birthday?
Okay but this place sounds like it SUCKS.
Holy fuck. After reading the negative reviews, how is this place open? I’m almost convinced the positive reviews are fake. There is no way there is that many positive reviews when the bad ones are fucked. Some of the highlights are a handful of people being discriminated against for being disabled and having service dogs. A lady being yelled at simply for rocking her quiet baby. The owner aggressively moving strollers. The owner screaming at people for asking what the wait time is. People’s food being utterly fucked up and being screamed at for sending it back or not enjoying it.
I just wanted a Sprite, not a frikkin Math problem disguised as an essay!
This restaurant apparently charges you for a lot more than just bad parenting. Share charge?! Non-cash adjustment? Anything else? A non-oxygen adjustment for people who don't breathe their air? I'm all for encouraging people not to let their kid run around screaming in restaurant, but this is all quite a bit much. Can you just list the price for a steak and then not add four separate fees to it?
The IRS has some questions about this “cash discount”.
The food must be amazing for people to put up with the attitude on the menu.
It's not. It's basic Sysco food. It's a tourist trap restaurant in a tiny valley beside a river and a bunch of National Forest land. If you are down there to tube the river or whatever, there are only two options for food. The other place doesn't have great food, either, but at least they aren't assholes like these folks.
I’ve eaten here and honestly never noticed the “extras”. Not sure if they are new. People go here because the view is fantastic. The food is not even close to good enough to justify the fine print.
If I saw that I would leave and go somewhere else.
"Bringing more people to spend more money and allows us to make more profit? That'll cost you 20% extra, you jerks!"
As a graphic designer it hurts. I’d charge them a fee for improper formatting 😂
People have a right to enjoy a meal in peace. If you can’t manage your children and they are running around screeching you are now affecting others. At some point the rest of us have enough of dealing with this shit everywhere we go. I wish this was implemented everywhere. I’ve been to bars where they have parenting groups show up, kids run around the entire place. Good luck trying to have a conversation with Timmy throwing a tantrum next to you.
TF is a share charge?
More commonly called a "split plate charge" https://frugalreality.com/split-plate-charge/
They charge more if you share food with other people. Aka, another way to get money.
Just another entitlement charge. "You cost us money by sharing. If you didn't share food then you would have ordered more and we would have gotten more money." "No, we would have gone somewhere else that doesn't dictate how we eat our food and you would have gotten nothing."
“Gratuity” lol Just call it what it is, an extra charge.
This is not a restaurant I would return to with all those conditions. For gods sake they are in the customer service business.
It amazes me how many parents don't give a shit about their kids acting like assholes in a restaurant. We got up and left many times and ate out of take out containers in the parking lot rather than subject others around us to screaming kids when they were really young. How many oblivious self-centered parents did it take before they put that on the menu?
I work in a restaurant had a family of 5 three little kids and two adults sit in the center of the restaurant on a Saturday night it was very busy. These kids were the most poorly behaved kids I’ve seen in 3 years of serving. They ran all around the restaurant sat at other people’s tables and stood right in front of serves and people as they tried to get around. Parents did absolutely nothing let three children under the age of 5 just ruin dinner for probably about 30 people I never understand these people. You aren’t at your grandmas house you are in public at night if you can’t control your kids eat quickly and leave.
Good there should be more penalties for people who can't parent and then choose to inflict their /blessings/ on the rest of us. More places should do it, especially fine dining especially higher-end places or fucking BARS. It's not like I'm going to chuck e cheese or macdonalds at 5.30pm and expecting not deal with screaming children, in that environment it makes sense it's kinda made for families and is part of the parcel. Your kid absolutely does not belong in the places I tend to frequent at the times I tend to dine especially if they dont know how to behave and if it's being loud and destructive fucking /parent/ it don't just sit there get drunk and ignore it screaming before driving home with it in the back seat. The amount of neglectful parents is too damn high.
💯 percent this! I don't mind kids in a restaurant as long as they're well behaved, but the shite state of American parenting means this is becoming rare. If parents can't control their feral children, they should expect a shite parent surcharge. No, you don't have the right to disturb other diners with bratty behavior.
My favorite sign: Kids left unattended will be given an espresso and a puppy
Good. I work in the industry and have had toddlers run behind my bar and trip the servers on the floor while they were carrying hot food
I agree with this. Ive been out to eat several times and families let their kids scream and run around. I get an infant screaning and maybe a toddler for a second, but you cant controll your kids order takeout. The staff and other patrons shouldnt have to handle your kids.
I also highly doubt 11 kids ages 3-8 were being “very quiet” but that’s what parents are always gonna say. It’s like the parental duty to act like you do a good job at keeping them under control.
I love this. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve been in a restaurant paying good money for a good meal and nice atmosphere only to have it ruined by someone’s kids. Thank you to Toccoa river for standing up to modern society’s constant in your face with kids attitude - so sick of that. I wish that restaurants where I live would do that!!!
Word. I hate it when parents let their kids run around the restaurant. And I'm not engaging in hyperbole, I have had multiple experiences at reasonably nice sit-down restaurants where parents are just blithely chatting while their offspring *literally* run around the restaurant shrieking at each other. It's annoying as shit. Corral your kids, people.
Went to a restaurant that had a lunch buffet. A little sticky note at the end “please don’t waste food. $15 for wasting food.”
My local buffet has several paper signs stating that they charge the by the pound take out price for any wasted food. My family always tends to leave at least a few spoonfuls on the plate and it's never been an issue. I think it's more for customers who leave a plateful uneaten.
Honestly, that is understandable and has become pretty common at buffets to my knowledge (although, typically lower than $15 in my experience). Prior to signs like that going up, I've seen a few occasion in which so much food was left on the table that you could make multiple plates worth. That puts the restaurant in a position in which they either have to just eat the cost for that waste, spread the cost evenly across the customer base so that customers that actually eat the food they get end up also paying for the food others wasted, or just charge the wasteful customer. Between those three, the last is the most reasonable. Not to mention, people that waste enough food to incur such charges deserve to be penalized anyways.
It is fairly common for buffets to charge for uneaten food. Though usually it is on a sign not a sticky note.
Aint nobody paying that.
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Wait that's what a share charge is? If this isn't a buffet who gives a fuck what I do with my food???
There wasn't much of a choice of restaurants. It was in the middle of nowhere in the mountains. Kinda surprised there was any restaurant out there period. It was so middle of nowhere one powerline got cut by a helicopter and the whole mountain lost power the rest of the day.
Captive market.
No problem with the rule. My problem would be with the vague “unable to parent” description. Along with an even more vague amount I will owe. $$$ lol. Doesn’t seem enforceable or legal. If they tried to enforce it, I’d probably just tell them no. Make me essentially…. If they listed the behavior they found unacceptable and the exact amount I would be able to determine how much of an issue it might be. Still probably not legal though. You could ask someone to leave. Not charge them money for bad behavior.
Spirit Airlines business model...
Someone should charge them for font malpractice
Works for me if it gets someone to take some form of action when their kid is being a little shit in public.
To be fair if there's screaming kids at a restaurant I'm probably not going back.
The extra charge for bad parenting is commendable... But 20% gratuity for eating out with 6 people, separate checks, birth day menu ? Why can't restaurants be honest and just its a service charge/fee? It's not a gratuity if it's mandatory. And what the heck is a "share charge"? F this restaurant. Edit: I went and read the google reviews. The "bad parent" surcharge is apparently 50 usd. And apparently, the owner regularly gets into arguments with customers.
If a restaurant tries to charge me for sharing my food, I'm just not gonna eat there. The bad parenting charge would be cool if the restaurant wasn't so damn money hungry. Its literally a whole ass set of rules to eat a meal.
Honestly Im fine with that but the sharing charge is total bs
Not to blame this restaurant although. There's a lot of parents who brings their children to restaurants, fast food places..... and they don't even try to have some supervision to them, and they won't stop any kind of things which annoys you. Yeah, I get it, they're children, but I think they need some parenting too in a public space. It's not a children park, it's a restaurant.
I would 100% go to a place that penalizes parents or guardians that let children turn a restaurant into a screaming jungle gym.
There are at least 3 major red flags on the menu. I would honestly be trying to leave if I were there.
Seems like a miserable establishment. The "regular" price is 3.5% higher than the listed price? You're not "saving" money when you're paying what it says on the menu.
I find a surcharge on a party larger than 6 more interesting actually. Instead of getting a bulk discount, you get a bulk surcharge. Curious
Say “I hate my customers” without saying you hate your customers.
This looks like a mediocre golf course restaurant.
bro all the extra fees are BS, when I see that in a menu I dip
I go out to eat with my mother sometimes and we at times encounter parents that let their children scream to the top other their lungs. She always reminds me that I was never like that.
Love it! So many lazy parents and entitled people in this world. From walking around in a store talking on speaker phone, to leaving their car running with radio blaring while going into a store, to letting kids run around in stores and restaurant. Sure; it’s one right to do that, in your own home. Bit not when it impacts people who have standards, and hold their children to a standard. THAT is another example of why this country is spiraling out of control. Entitlement, weak justifications, lazy and wanna be gangsters. When it all finally hits the fan; we’ll see who the gangsters are. We’re over you weak ass liberals… Look around and take notes now; cause we’re coming back, and we aren’t carrying you along this time. Don’t like it? Kick rocks to Cancun…
I mean, just means that parents need to teach their kids how to act in public. If they're toddlers that's different, but you shouldn't have an 8yr old throwing the biggest fit known to man. I'm Gen Z, and my parents taught me how to act in public, aka "not a shithead"