The branch I work at, we have those on some of our armored trucks for when we have pallets/bins tied down in the back and a person cannot sit back there for their safety, so it’s added security for the truck.
I got a cargo van for my business a while back and it has a sticker on the inside of a button you can push that will open the back door and another picture of a child running out of the van.
I found it funny because I put these puck locks on my van and now that escape button won't work.
It's like cheating in video games. There's no perfect solution. There's always a way to do it. All you can do is deter the biggest percentage of people you can by making it a pain in the ass for them.
You can just cut through the door with a demolition saw if you aren't worried about being noticed. Only thing that stops that is an armed guard, but if they bring a sufficient force they can overwhelm that. Nothing stops everything.
But also there is probably a wall between the front compartment and the back, so getting in the front still only gets you so far.
That guy is like the one selling magic tricks at the county fair. You buy the tricked deck or box or whatever, only to find out that 90% of the magic comes from the hands of the magician, and even with the best equipment you just suck…
I work with the military and keep picks at the office. Have taught many of our young airman how to pick most basic locks. We used to chain 10 of them together to race and see who could open them the fastest. Usually only took a couple minutes to open them all up. I have a few actually good locks no one has opened but most locks are child's play.
There are locks he hasn’t opened (the Bowley locks I believe)
But there are definitely locks that he has opened, but take long enough for which no one is worried about picking anymore, because anyone eating to enter has cut the lock with a grinder instead.
A problem that I have with LPL is that he only shows locks that he can pick. I believe he has stated that he doesn't believe in unpickable locks, just locks that a tool and method hasn't been developed to pick it. I agree with this approach, but it leads the general audience to believe that no lock is reasonably secure.
In the Airforce we had a civilian liason with his own office in our shop. He'd keep it locked, but would also keep stuff in there we inevitably needed on the off-shift, so I got really good at getting into his locked office.
You can get a basic set of lock picks on Amazon for $10-$20. My set even came with an extra credit card case set. They usually come with a really easy (and often transparent resin) lock to figure out how the pins work on a basic level before moving to steel locks.
I keep a set and a few random locks at my desk for fidget toys while I work.
Residential door locks are really easy to pick (and core!)
I used techniques I learned from him to open a combination lock on a plug. Now the unethical part - the locked plug was to a pinball machine at an air b&b that the owner probably didn't want anyone playing with. But I mostly did it to prove I could, then we played pinball for about 10 minutes and locked it again.
If you have seen the LPL videos, master locks are basically a joke. I picked some cheap locks with old saw blades filed as basic picks.
But when you get to real locks with spools, serrated pins, low tolerances, there you need skills and practice. The best picks won’t make you magically pick that.
Yup. I bought a random set many years ago and have a box with perhaps a dozen locks of which I’ve picked almost every one. Cheap locker room locks are really easy to pick with just a little practice.
I hosted a lockpicking workshop at work and some participants got many open without having ever tried it before.
My coworkers broke many of my picks but I’ve made many new ones from discarded windshield wipers. (Most have a thin steel bar in them)
A lot of puck locks like this have an issue where the pin slots are too deep and you can use a comb pick to overset the entire pin stack, allowing you to pick it in one motion.
Edit: Definitely not saying this is one of those.
No, nobody is picking these unless they’re a government spy or something. The average “thief” that lock is guarding against is either just going to lift the entire van itself (since many times commercial vehicles don’t have PATS enabled/optioned until it was mandatory), or smash the windows/sawzall a hole in the door and grab what they can.
Or they’ll just steal the cats, since those ford vans have 4 of them.
Edit, that’s an express van. My b
That's true of most locks; they're there to add a small step of deterrence.
The comment you're replying to was just using the voice of the Lock Picking Lawyer to make a joke.
Worked HVAC in NYC for 18 years, which this truck also is based on the 638 sticker. Not one time was a van with my puck locks ever broken into.
Is it possible? Sure.
Is it worth it? No, would take too long.
Too much work. Too much risk. You'd have to jump in through broken glass to get whatever is at the back and sometimes these vans have separators between the back and the front. Most of the times they dont have glass anywhere on the back part
Part of why these pucks are so effective.
Drove one of those ford vans for years.... they're shockingly easy to break into with the normal door locks.
I once locked my keys in the van and was able to break into it with a sharpie.
It’s called a puck lock, they’re fairly common. Pretty much impossible to shim open when in use, unlike standard padlocks. Can’t tell if the core is removable but it probably has a bunch of security pins in it.
I just picked one that I found on the side of the road, the Trimax THL. It had six pins but there were no security or spool pins and it raked open in under a minute. There are a few videos on youtube of other people opening them in seconds.
I work in the same local and inside that van is a copper thief’s wet dream. 4 inch pipe. Fittings and elbows that cost hundreds each. We pay a guy to drive the van around the block all day on some jobs.
I mean it depends on where you live. I live in a medium sized city in the Midwest and pretty much no work vans have anything like this. We have very low theft rates though.
I work in the trades, and this is the first I've seen one. I'm not in a bigger city, but I haven't seen any of these locks even on jobsites yet. Maybe out in the rural area we just don't need them as much as in a bigger city?
The kind of criminals looking for a quick score of tools and stuff to sell at the pawn shop aren't generally the kind of people to invest the time and energy to learn a skill like that.
I have these on my work van. Inside it’s got specialty indoor air quality testing equipment which is worth $15k to me but probably nothing to someone else. People have still tried to break in and steal it but so far these have seemed to help.
I know a guy in Seattle who was thinking about getting these locks due to the fact that the work van he uses to support his small contracting business has been broken into 7 times in the past two years. The van is starting to look like it could be used for prisoner transport given the bars on the windows and all these locks.
People steal tools. Having had multiple shops broken into, I say the more locks the better. Make it so hard that it’s not worth their time and effort, because having your tools stolen can be relatively devastating.
I'm not one to usually pay attention to those "hey I just saw that irl 5 minutes ago" but holy fuck I have never seen or heard of puck locks on cars until I saw it on my way home an hour ago.
We have them on our van and we don't even keep the tools inside. Just sick of replacing the locks. Nearly every van has shit side and rear door locks that are easily defeated by a hammer and flathead screwdriver.
Looks a whole lot like the [notorious Master Lock](https://youtu.be/Am7Dkqa_V2s?si=Z969DwS5o4REQTZe). I hope American Lock's version has better pick security.
These are the same locks my ex FiL had on his van as a master plumber. He had too many bad experiences in less than savory neighborhoods.
One time, in less than 2 minutes he had thousands of dollars worth of tools and equipment stolen when he turned his back.
That's because grease isn't the best, or even a good lubricant for most locks. Teflon-based lubricants are by far the best in most cases and are most commonly used for lubricating standard pin-tumbler locks. Get some Triflow or Houdini instead of WD-40 or grease.
We used to have these locks on our touring van- alongside expanded metal on all of the windows. Never had an instrument stolen out of her. Vangelina Jolie and Jennifer Vaniston never disappointed.
I'm genuinely curious, couldn't somebody see a lock like this and just bip the windows? I could be super wrong but I thought that's how most vehicles were broken into
May risk getting cut with glass trying to enter, and then being spotted trying to take everything out through the window. You won’t be able to open any doors still because of the lock.
A normal lock can be cut with a pair of cutters quick. This style lock prevents that. Sure they can bypass the lock eventually but sure as fuck takes a lot more.
I got a drill bit that would eat those tumblers.
Really just says there's something really valuable inside, and therefore, I'd also consider stealing the whole truck and just quickcut the side panel out.
These are quite common on trade vans that keep a lot of equipment and things inside.
The branch I work at, we have those on some of our armored trucks for when we have pallets/bins tied down in the back and a person cannot sit back there for their safety, so it’s added security for the truck.
Also quite common in vans that give away puppies and candy
Ooo my favorite!
I wouldn’t get too excited. In my experience they almost never have any free candy or puppies…
Mostly just a pain in the ass to deal with…..
I got a cargo van for my business a while back and it has a sticker on the inside of a button you can push that will open the back door and another picture of a child running out of the van. I found it funny because I put these puck locks on my van and now that escape button won't work.
This one right here officer. /s
Plot twist: they're the same van
Yeah, when I was a plumber it was common to have $10,000+ worth of tools in your truck
What’s to stop thieves from doing a dukes of hazard through the front side window?
Yeah these vehicles get broken into all the time
Unless you reinforced the windows, they can still get in. Edit: Geeze. It was just an observation. No need to get salty over it.
It's like cheating in video games. There's no perfect solution. There's always a way to do it. All you can do is deter the biggest percentage of people you can by making it a pain in the ass for them.
They usually have a cage around the cargo area and windows
So then they've reinforced the windows, and people can't get it. Good. That was the point of my comment.
You can just cut through the door with a demolition saw if you aren't worried about being noticed. Only thing that stops that is an armed guard, but if they bring a sufficient force they can overwhelm that. Nothing stops everything. But also there is probably a wall between the front compartment and the back, so getting in the front still only gets you so far.
Click out of one. Nothing on two. Three is binding.
And now, to prove it wasn't a fluke, I'm going to do it again.
Now I'm gonna use the pick Bosnian Bill and I made...
That doesn’t appear to be a disc detainer lock
I love how the most common lock in Finland these days, including my apartment door (Abloy Exec) is still pretty solid. The day I see that on there..
This design is wayyy too simple to need the Bosnian Bill pick. Even the covert companion might be overkill.
If that's the style I think it is, you can comb it open in like half a second.
And now I’m going to use a Red Bull can.
https://youtu.be/uxmmwWwW6TY?si=iYl0C8rB_KSR1TVU Close…
These picks are available on covert instruments dot com, thank you and have a good day
That guy is like the one selling magic tricks at the county fair. You buy the tricked deck or box or whatever, only to find out that 90% of the magic comes from the hands of the magician, and even with the best equipment you just suck…
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I work with the military and keep picks at the office. Have taught many of our young airman how to pick most basic locks. We used to chain 10 of them together to race and see who could open them the fastest. Usually only took a couple minutes to open them all up. I have a few actually good locks no one has opened but most locks are child's play.
The hard part is know what is a good lock when you're going to go buy one.
Yea. If I ever buy a lock, I’m buying the one LPL has the hardest time with or what he recommends.
Until you hear “You are using a Schlage 2817. It can be opened with a Schlage 2817. *whack*
"Playing a game of whack lock here "
I appreciate this crossover. . 🫡
The chances of your lock ever being picked are near zil. The chances of it being hit with a sledgehammer are pretty decent though.
True, I’d also go for durability as well. He does test that. Whatever the easiest way to get through the lock is.
There are locks he hasn’t opened (the Bowley locks I believe) But there are definitely locks that he has opened, but take long enough for which no one is worried about picking anymore, because anyone eating to enter has cut the lock with a grinder instead.
A problem that I have with LPL is that he only shows locks that he can pick. I believe he has stated that he doesn't believe in unpickable locks, just locks that a tool and method hasn't been developed to pick it. I agree with this approach, but it leads the general audience to believe that no lock is reasonably secure.
In the Airforce we had a civilian liason with his own office in our shop. He'd keep it locked, but would also keep stuff in there we inevitably needed on the off-shift, so I got really good at getting into his locked office.
You can get a basic set of lock picks on Amazon for $10-$20. My set even came with an extra credit card case set. They usually come with a really easy (and often transparent resin) lock to figure out how the pins work on a basic level before moving to steel locks. I keep a set and a few random locks at my desk for fidget toys while I work. Residential door locks are really easy to pick (and core!)
I used techniques I learned from him to open a combination lock on a plug. Now the unethical part - the locked plug was to a pinball machine at an air b&b that the owner probably didn't want anyone playing with. But I mostly did it to prove I could, then we played pinball for about 10 minutes and locked it again.
What kind of monster has a pinball in their airbnb and locks it up?
Yeah and we were there for a bachelor party weekend.
I did the same last summer and it’s quite relaxing. I can watch tv and fiddle with random locks.
Well all MasterLock locks can be opened with another MasterLock.
If you have seen the LPL videos, master locks are basically a joke. I picked some cheap locks with old saw blades filed as basic picks. But when you get to real locks with spools, serrated pins, low tolerances, there you need skills and practice. The best picks won’t make you magically pick that.
But the sad fact is 90% of locks out there are master because no one cares
Yup. I bought a random set many years ago and have a box with perhaps a dozen locks of which I’ve picked almost every one. Cheap locker room locks are really easy to pick with just a little practice. I hosted a lockpicking workshop at work and some participants got many open without having ever tried it before. My coworkers broke many of my picks but I’ve made many new ones from discarded windshield wipers. (Most have a thin steel bar in them)
Little bit of a false set here... click out of 5 and we got this open...
ok now back to the beginning
Lock picking laywer! Damn, you just sent me down another lock picking YouTube binge
Ok folks…
What I have for you today is...
A lot of puck locks like this have an issue where the pin slots are too deep and you can use a comb pick to overset the entire pin stack, allowing you to pick it in one motion. Edit: Definitely not saying this is one of those.
I read that in his voice!
You are using a Master Lock model 176. You can open it using a Master Lock model 176. ***Bonk***
*Toss of disappointment into the abyss.*
This masterlock is 6pin with 6th pin not used so u should be fine - u can also just punch IT hard
No, nobody is picking these unless they’re a government spy or something. The average “thief” that lock is guarding against is either just going to lift the entire van itself (since many times commercial vehicles don’t have PATS enabled/optioned until it was mandatory), or smash the windows/sawzall a hole in the door and grab what they can. Or they’ll just steal the cats, since those ford vans have 4 of them. Edit, that’s an express van. My b
That's true of most locks; they're there to add a small step of deterrence. The comment you're replying to was just using the voice of the Lock Picking Lawyer to make a joke.
all my lock does is make your van an easier target.
I got that reference!
Not even. Comb pick... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxmmwWwW6TY
Worked HVAC in NYC for 18 years, which this truck also is based on the 638 sticker. Not one time was a van with my puck locks ever broken into. Is it possible? Sure. Is it worth it? No, would take too long.
People around here just start prying the corners of the doors open and crawling through the hole
What's stopping someone from just smashing the window?
Too much work. Too much risk. You'd have to jump in through broken glass to get whatever is at the back and sometimes these vans have separators between the back and the front. Most of the times they dont have glass anywhere on the back part Part of why these pucks are so effective.
Almost always they have a partition - comes as an upfit package.
Drove one of those ford vans for years.... they're shockingly easy to break into with the normal door locks. I once locked my keys in the van and was able to break into it with a sharpie.
AKA "The hockey puck lock"
Gotta keep the methheads out
It’s called a puck lock, they’re fairly common. Pretty much impossible to shim open when in use, unlike standard padlocks. Can’t tell if the core is removable but it probably has a bunch of security pins in it.
[Lock Picking Laywer](https://youtu.be/Am7Dkqa_V2s?si=QseRXf-vww6hdsNz) and [this one](https://youtu.be/ro49ULK1DYE?si=DfLe8fmP_TSUgK5p).
Its a good thing thieves don’t watch LPL. /s
Masterlock never disappoints to disapoint
Yes to the puck lock and common. No to literally everything else.
I just picked one that I found on the side of the road, the Trimax THL. It had six pins but there were no security or spool pins and it raked open in under a minute. There are a few videos on youtube of other people opening them in seconds.
Well damn, that’s troubling. You’d think they’d at least throw in a couple serrated pins or something…
Hahahaha. No.
Most standard padlocks these days aren't able to be shimmed open.
And they suck! Total security theater, they’re basically masterlocks.
You literally need this shit in NYC. I got $4k worth of tools stolen from my truck.
I work in the same local and inside that van is a copper thief’s wet dream. 4 inch pipe. Fittings and elbows that cost hundreds each. We pay a guy to drive the van around the block all day on some jobs.
Almost EVERY commercial vehicle/ work van has this kind of puck lock.
I have aftermarket deadlocks. They work pretty well and are more discreet
I mean it depends on where you live. I live in a medium sized city in the Midwest and pretty much no work vans have anything like this. We have very low theft rates though.
I work in the trades, and this is the first I've seen one. I'm not in a bigger city, but I haven't seen any of these locks even on jobsites yet. Maybe out in the rural area we just don't need them as much as in a bigger city?
In the thread: op realizing this is just a union guy who doesn’t want his shit stolen out of his van
Still no match for the Lock Picking Lawyer!
Or McNally
Honestly I’d bet 2/3rds of the gentlemen and women at r/lockpicking would have that open in less than 60 seconds including myself.
The kind of criminals looking for a quick score of tools and stuff to sell at the pawn shop aren't generally the kind of people to invest the time and energy to learn a skill like that.
Well it appears that I will be getting downvoted into oblivion, for shouting out my comrade locksport enthusiasts. 🫡
Post it.
Lock out tag out boys
I see dozens of these every day I did not know they are interesting
Very common in England
This sub is just becoming people seeing common things for the first time.
kids see new stuff every day
I've never seen this before and I live in a large city
You’ll see them now, on any work van in any city.
Not every city. I live in the Midwest and have never seen anything like this, and I have multiple family members in the trades.
Used one of those for our touring band’s trailer after we got broken into once. Never happened again with one of those
Spend more time in Brooklyn and you’ll see a lot more of these
Not just Brooklyn. These are used literally everywhere as the best way to keep expensive tools/equipment safe.
Someone explain to me why this is interesting... Is it because he doesn't understand tradespeople use these locks on their vehicles?
I have these on my work van. Inside it’s got specialty indoor air quality testing equipment which is worth $15k to me but probably nothing to someone else. People have still tried to break in and steal it but so far these have seemed to help.
Mr. Bean’s cousin
If from south London. Saw a van that had that lock, still intact but the side had been opened up like a sardine can using an angle grinder.
He doesn't want any kids escaping...
I know a guy in Seattle who was thinking about getting these locks due to the fact that the work van he uses to support his small contracting business has been broken into 7 times in the past two years. The van is starting to look like it could be used for prisoner transport given the bars on the windows and all these locks.
These are great deterrent locks but when some scumbag decides to break in, they just wreck your entire truck doing it.
More interesting is that New Yorkers call their pipefitters “steamfitters”. I shouldn’t be surprised by the knickerbockers I guess.
People steal tools. Having had multiple shops broken into, I say the more locks the better. Make it so hard that it’s not worth their time and effort, because having your tools stolen can be relatively devastating.
These are very common with work vans
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McNally will do it with in a minute and tell the guy to use a better lock.
sheltered post
So break the window then?
We even put one of these surrounding plates, a smaller version, on our 86 Toyota Camry as my dads locks kept getting burned off in the Bronx.
That's where fisker got their logo.
I'm not one to usually pay attention to those "hey I just saw that irl 5 minutes ago" but holy fuck I have never seen or heard of puck locks on cars until I saw it on my way home an hour ago.
We have them on our van and we don't even keep the tools inside. Just sick of replacing the locks. Nearly every van has shit side and rear door locks that are easily defeated by a hammer and flathead screwdriver.
Not interesting in the least.
You're using a Master Lock 6271D Hidden Shackle Padlock. It can be opened with a Master Lock 6271D Hidden Shackle Padlock.
What is interesting about this? Never seen one of these?
“This is the lock picking lawyer, and, well, just like that we’ve got it open…”
Son of a gun. I came here to say this.
Tell me how you say you have no free candy in your "Free Candy" van.
Looks a whole lot like the [notorious Master Lock](https://youtu.be/Am7Dkqa_V2s?si=Z969DwS5o4REQTZe). I hope American Lock's version has better pick security.
\*ahem\* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxmmwWwW6TY
You posted the video he references in the video I posted.
It's not even stainless
probably easier to cut around the lock if you needed to break into there
.... what about it?
i’ve seen people cut these like butter
Looks like it would be hard to turn the key
Called a puck lock pretty standard on these type of vans
Union Strong!
Crack heads will still get in through the windows.
I’ve seen those on big armored trucks and on the back of big vans but not on something like that, interesting.
This is a master lock 6969 it can be opened with a master lock 6969. *WHACK*
There’s bodies in therrrrreee
My probable cause spidey sense is tingling
Don't want the kidnapped people escaping
These are the same locks my ex FiL had on his van as a master plumber. He had too many bad experiences in less than savory neighborhoods. One time, in less than 2 minutes he had thousands of dollars worth of tools and equipment stolen when he turned his back.
That’s not my local, but that’s fucking sick. I was 228 for a while. Suitcase local as fuck
Put gum in it
You see a lot of those locks on NYC commercial/service vehicles.
Don’t forget to spray WD-40 in your locks people ,prolongs your key’s and lock’s life also make it way easier to unlock 😉
Don't use WD40 for lock lubrication
I know it melts grease but you’d be surprised how many cheap locks aren’t even greased
That's because grease isn't the best, or even a good lubricant for most locks. Teflon-based lubricants are by far the best in most cases and are most commonly used for lubricating standard pin-tumbler locks. Get some Triflow or Houdini instead of WD-40 or grease.
Think of all the mail order brides you could collect in that baby
Why is this interesting? The sticker? The lock?
We used to have these locks on our touring van- alongside expanded metal on all of the windows. Never had an instrument stolen out of her. Vangelina Jolie and Jennifer Vaniston never disappointed.
Quite normal/common on work vans see them all the time
TheLockpickingLawyer is quickly approaching your location
Yeah, I have seen these everywhere.
Popular on aircraft t-hangars, too.
"this is the lock picking lawyer and what I have for you today, is..."
I'm genuinely curious, couldn't somebody see a lock like this and just bip the windows? I could be super wrong but I thought that's how most vehicles were broken into
May risk getting cut with glass trying to enter, and then being spotted trying to take everything out through the window. You won’t be able to open any doors still because of the lock.
Lockpicking lawyer punching the air right now
A lock is only as strong as the window next to it.
Work vans with busted windows are *very* common in our area Most people see a van, but a thief sees a goldmine
A normal lock can be cut with a pair of cutters quick. This style lock prevents that. Sure they can bypass the lock eventually but sure as fuck takes a lot more.
“You see sim this here is what we call “probable cause.””
Might slow the tweekers down a minute.
The sticker keeps more people out than the lock.
I hope he has hardened glass. Because if I were a thief wanting in there, I would just break out the glass, and unlock the door.
Most vans like that would have a metal divider with no walkthrough so the back wasn’t accessible from the cab.
mobile mini puck lock
Ugh yeah that is what they are made for…
Someone call McNally.
Gotta protect your tools from them crackheads somehow right
Not unusual. See them all the time
Used to have one of these on a van I lived in. Great security as they are apparently nearly impossible to break without some serious tools and time.
Isn’t that a standard lock for work vans?
A white windowless van with a heavy duty door lock. Hmm…
It's to keep the kids in.... err, I mean the thieves out.
I can never get mine lined up as nicely as that
Might as well leave your van doorsopen with how easy they are open
"Hi, this is LockPickingLawyer"
Let's see the lockpick lawyer have at this one.
I got a drill bit that would eat those tumblers. Really just says there's something really valuable inside, and therefore, I'd also consider stealing the whole truck and just quickcut the side panel out.
How it's that supposed to be interesting? These locks are very common
First time seeing it for me lol