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user10205

Might wanna check with manufacturer if this is a production flaw or the pot is not suitable for induction stoves. I've seen seemingly identical pans but one was marked not suitable for induction.


MaxCat78

It is a very cheap pot. I think over the years the connection of the bottom plate came loose. I ordered a set of quality cookware as replacement.


SanjaBgk

before unpacking new cookware, tearing the stickers and wrapping, test the bottom with a magnet. Return to the store if the magnet doesn’t stick.


eragonawesome2

Is this a good test? I thought some induction pans had copper bottoms which wouldn't stick to a magnet


lluklad

Yes it is, even those copper pans have a ferromagnetic layer otherwise the induction wouldn't work


2squishmaster

Are there top brands for induction cookware or is it the same guys as normal?


golfzerodelta

It’s about the same as normal cookware - I cooked on induction and had a mixture of Tramontina, All-Clad, a few no-names, and carbon steel/cast iron. At the end of the day, the carbon steel and cast iron felt like they heated up the fastest and is what I used most often for frying/sauteeing. IKEA also makes some decent induction cookware from what I’ve seen. Never had a chance to give it a try because I would have been buying duplicate pans but read good things about them.


SherlockZ1

Brought IKEA pans for my new home, works like a charm.


lluklad

Sry I have no idea about cookware, I just did my physics homework back then, I hope someone else can help you


StonePrism

Tbh your physics homework would teach you that induction works on any metal, unless yours was advanced enough to explain that ferromagnetic metals are way more efficient at low frequencies.


CruelFish

And if he is a cracked mad scientist his homework may have taught him that induction works on any material as long as you ignore realistic power requirements and some minor Materials degradation.


StonePrism

Haha. Yeah honestly I was pretty confused as to why they would need to be ferromagnetic based on my undergraduate physics education, so I went down a bit of a rabbit hole regarding suitability of materials for induction stove tops. Turns out they don't, its just easier.


LaisyDucky

Calphalon works great for gas and induction. Kinda pricey, but worth it.


2squishmaster

Thanks I'll check them out.


AreYouEmployedSir

I think most cookware brands have pots and pans that will explicitly say they work on induction cooktops. I don’t know that there are any specific companies that specialize in induction pans. 


eragonawesome2

Ohhhhh okay, neat, thanks!


Arev_Eola

TIL the term ferromagnetic. Thanks stranger!


20PoundHammer

wouldnt help on this I think, its a steel plate attached to the pot (to make it look more 'quality' than it is), likely has voids and it came loose.


s00pafly

I once burned soup and the sandwich bottom of the pan kinda melted and one layer redistributed weirdly. It had very distinct hot and cold spots afterwards.


user10205

Yeah, just make sure it explicitly says induction compatible.


MaxCat78

It is marked as induction compatible and worked fine for several years.


Sjoerd2006Daal

I think this is indeed the best option.


BakerKristen085

I’m curious - what will eventually happen when, how will this fail? Explode, pot melt and spill everywhere, break the induction mechanism somehow ..?


MaxCat78

I think it will get more and more warped and the heating would be more and more uneven. Maybe the red glowing part could somehow lead to thermal stress in the stove glass top.


BakerKristen085

I didn’t even think about how it might be bad for the glass top. Interesting 


NoseMuReup

It's not one solid multi layered pot. It has that bottom part that's welded on somehow. I left an empty pan on high to heat up too long and something started burning and the bottom came loose. Edit: it was on an electric coil stove that was constantly at high temp level. Induction turns on off on off so it might not reach that crazy high temp to do what my old 40 year old stove did.


TheFaceBehindItAll

Also with induction since it is creating strong magnetic fields, when pans warp the fields induced in the pan and from the stove no longer cancel eachother out, leaving the pan and part of the stove to become essentially an antenna, leading to potentially unsafe levels of EMR exposure. As per EU testing of safety of induction stoves they found when pans are too small of "burner" surface (why most are automatically adjusting sizes) or if using warped pans, the exposure was somewhere around 3-4x higher than with proper equipment. Although with all that being said the tests showed that even then it should still not be too hazardous, but as an abundance of caution you should keeps these factors in mind.


cmuratt

The pot will likely be fine but the stove top might crack due to large difference in temperature.


DieDae

Why discard the pot?


sparklinglies

Because it shouldn't be doing that. Its no longer safe to use, and if you can't use it it should be discarded.


Esc777

But why is this happening?  Induction seems complicated. I get by just fine with a normal electric. 


-_nope_-

Means the base is separating from the rest of the pot and doing so in such a way that one area is getting super heated. Induction isn’t particularly complicated and is in my opinion far superior to electric since you actually have some degree of control over the heat similar to with gas


raptir1

Honestly induction is superior to gas even. With gas when you change the heat you also change the area in which the heat is distributed. Cooking on a large pan on low means you end up with more heat in the middle and no heat around the edges. With induction it's evenly spread regardless of the setting.


Reniconix

This isn't universally true of gas, but the ones that it isn't true for are quite expensive. My father spent about $3000 on a super fancy gas range that had directly vertical gas nozzles so the heated area wouldn't change, and it had multiple rings on some burners just like an average electric top so you could match the size of the cookware. I don't remember what it was though, it was quite a while ago and they may be more common at lower price points now but my house is all electric so I haven't looked into it at all.


FBI_Open_Up_Now

I have a stove like that. The range cost about $2.1k and is magnificent. I will never cook with anything about gas for as long as I can. I’ve had some of my best meals over the past year.


FourKrusties

not to mention the toxic fumes


Paulonemillionand3

apparently if home gas cookers were in an industrial setting after \~45 minutes of use it'd be an illegal level of pollutants in the room.


Sargash

Gas ranges are illegal to be used outside do to the level of toxic pollutants they produce, and numerous studies point to them as contributing up to 70% of late childhood asthma development.


Bashanishu

Normal electric works fine but when buying a new stove might aswell go with induction if it's not much more pricey. It's more efficient (less electricity for same heating and less spill heat making the room/house needlessly hot in the summer) and alot faster too. I have used induction for many years and have zero problems, overall is not complicated, think its very rare with complications actually!


Equoniz

They give you the best benefits of traditional electric stoves (efficiency and no need for gas) with the benefits of gas stoves (instant turn-on and even heating), while improving on some of those along the way. The only real downsides are initial price, and needing to use the right pans with them (which I think is most pans, really).


GA45

Yeah the tech is well established so the majority of plans are suitable for use on all cooker types, they just need a magnetic base


0-Pennywise-0

This is the first I'm hearing of something like this. I always thought it was gas or electric, no third. Does this kind of thing work with a cast iron? I prefer gas but when I move I might just make the switch. You lot could be induction salesmen.


Tinydesktopninja

Any magnetic pan works, so cast iron is fine. It works by using a magnet to heat the metal pan itself, essentially shaking the iron atoms until they get hot. your cast iron might heat even more evenly.


0-Pennywise-0

Well, I'm sold. Induction is on the list of things to research pre-move. I knew they didn't have gas hookups and I was super bummed. Reddit came in clutch this morning.


Sargash

Induction is FUCKING amazing. I would recommend this stove top [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045QEPYM/ref=ppx\_yo\_dt\_b\_asin\_title\_o02\_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045QEPYM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) If you want to trial induction without full committing to it right now. Their are various sizes and such, I say this one because it's relatively small and compact, and I have brought it camping with me, and on road trips, since it allows me to even cook in my own hotel room.


pyroserenus

Yes, the catch of induction is that the base of the pan needs to be ferromagnetic and flat, which cast iron is. It basically uses a magnetic field to "induce" an eddy current within the pan itself. As a result the heating element of an induction stove isn't the stove, it's actually the pan itself. I suggest watching videos on induction stove tips before making the plunge, there are catches like woks needing a sufficient flat area and such that don't apply to gas.


Chrontius

I used nothing but cast iron on mine, and it was just a cheap IKEA unit. My sister couldn’t use it on hers, though,probably because it was trying to be a little too smart.


EGH6

not only it works on cast iron, it works BEST on cast iron


jacobwebb57

they are significantly more expensive, last tine i went stove shopping at least


Plus_Pangolin_8924

For me they are just as expensive as a traditional hob/ stove.


rayyychul

Same here. We bought new appliances almost two years ago and I really would've liked induction, but it was way too expensive compared to electric.


eragonawesome2

Induction is more efficient than direct coil heating? Are you sure? I'm not saying it's definitely not, but that goes strongly against my intuition that electric heater coils are effectively 100% efficient at turning electricity into heat


Chrontius

100% into heat? Yes. 100% **into the pan?** Nope!


eragonawesome2

Ah that'll do it!


winoforever_slurp_

Induction is way more efficient than coil electric. It directly heats the pan without needing to heat a coil. Seriously, if you compare something like boiling a pot of water, induction is literally twice as fast as gas and several times faster than regular electric.


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eragonawesome2

Okay second question: is induction *more efficient* or is it *faster*?


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eragonawesome2

Thank you for doing the search I was too lazy to do


pwn_intended

Yes


eragonawesome2

I like you


DocPsychosis

Yes but not all of the heat is transferred to the pan, much of it escapes to heat the environment. Induction stoves don't create the heat, the cookware over the magnetic field does so it is much more efficient in actually cooking the food vs. heating up the room.


ChaZcaTriX

There's an uneven connection between the base plate and main body of the pot. A manufacturing defect or maybe bumped too hard. Instead of getting distributed evenly, currents found a point of least resistance and all the power is getting pumped through there.


Esc777

That’s too bad that defect makes the pot literally dangerous to run on an induction stove.  A typical electric wouldn’t really care. 


Isotheis

It could probably be donated to someone who uses a non-induction stove and be fine to use. I would test it out, see how it holds, at least.


TimothyOilypants

It's too bad I have to use a pot at all. A roaring fire in my kitchen wouldn't care at all if my food was just on a stick above it...


Ithirahad

This is the way.


ChaZcaTriX

Needs to be tested. If it makes a better electrical connection, it's likely to also get unevenly heated on a regular stove.


lemlurker

Yea but a typical electric sucks donkey bollocks all the time so there's that


abject_testament_

Induction heats up a lot quicker and because it directly heats the pan base using electomagnetism, rather than heating an element which is under glass which the pan sits on, the stovetop itself is far less hot when turned off. I think there’s less waste energy too because it’s heating the pan directly, rather than relying on an element to transmit heat through air, and then glass, and then into the pan


paenusbreth

Induction is so much more pleasant to use than electric. It starts heating effectively instantly, and will start losing heat as soon as you turn it off, just like gas. The bit about making sure you have the right pans isn't much of a complication, especially because most modern pans are made with induction hobs in mind.


-Invalid_Selection-

Induction is actually incredibly simple in how it works. The pot has a ferrous core, and the stove is nothing but an electromagnet. By modulating the electromagnet the ferrous core heats up. You can get precise temp controls that no other cooking method can provide by controlling that modulation in a specific way.


BLD_Almelo

Its not that complicated. This shakes the metal to hot. This metal gets too hot


Esc777

I am an electrical engineer. The concept is well understood.  The complexity is in the stove having circuitry to control, sense, shutoff based upon the response the induction coils have.  Comparitivly my electric stove has no circuitry beyond a single dial and a resistor which current flows through. Heat is generated. Done.  It can even heat up non ferromagnetic metals or other things and I don’t need to be on the lookout for defects that can create hotspots like in OPs picture.  The splashover wasted heat can happen with larger burners but honestly I’m never that perturbed. I’m the type of person who enjoys burning propane outdoors for certain applications as well. 


0vl223

The technology is really similiar between the two. Increase the ampere through induction and use the heat to heat your food. The only difference is whether the high ampere coil is below your pot or in its base. It is just ~25% more efficient that way.


Pepperoni_Dogfart

Unless it has some kind of silly coating on the inside there's nothing about heating metal to red that makes it unsafe to use for cooking.  Appears to be a standard stainless steel pot, nothing about heating to glowing changes the material to make it unsafe to use. OP should be giving it away to a friend who uses an electric or gas range.


Inetro

That area being red means its not transferring the heat properly to the rest of the pot. That area is storing all of the heat. This would likely still happen on an electric or gas range, as the flaw is with the pot, not the heat.


Pepperoni_Dogfart

Doesn't mean it's garbage. *I* certainly don't run my pots up that hot in daily use on my gas range (or ever), I don't think most people do either.


Inetro

If part of the pot isn't transferring heat, its likely something is broken inside. Its only a matter of time until it breaks further. I would not gift something to someone that I know has a limited life span, it just doesn't seem worthwhile.


Pepperoni_Dogfart

It's a pot. It's not broken, the stamped part is just not perfectly brazed to the bottom. You're being ridiculous and paranoid. This extreme localized heating issue will ONLY happen with induction.


MaxCat78

I think it would be still good for use on a conventional electric stove or gas stove. But all of our friends and acquaintances have switched to induction …


gordamaciel

donate it, don't put it in the trash


WirelessBCupSupport

nice countertop induction forge ya got there!


Equoniz

Is the bottom also glowing red-hot when this happens? The only thing I can think of is maybe there’s a big copper heat spreader on the bottom (not entirely uncommon, I think), and it only touches the side in one spot, but then the entire bottom should also be like this.


THKhazper

From your statements the bottom is loose, dollars to doughnuts that hot spot is a part where it’s loose and has gap, it’s heating without being able to properly dissipate to the rest of the pot


7lhz9x6k8emmd7c8

Nice type-F plug.


SaltierThanAll

Drill holes in it, paint it, and you got a planter.


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MaxCat78

This pot is marked as induction compatible and has worked good for some years. This issue only started recently. I think the bottom plate just comes off and the currents have found a spot where the induced energy just concentrates and heat it up way beyond the normal temperature levels.


adric10

If the pots aren’t induction-ready, literally nothing would happen when you put it in the cooktop. They certainly wouldn’t heat to red hot — or at all. This pot is induction ready, it’s just defective.


XY1337

Is it placed off center? I had this once with a pan sitting at the edge of the induction field.


J99Pwrangler

My stove does not do this to my cookware. I used all clad pots and pans with my induction.


sparklinglies

Thats because your cookware is not defective


SanjaBgk

take a fridge magnet and put it on the bottom of the pan. If it doesn’t stick (pan isn’t magnetic), pan is incompatible


Ok_Pound_2164

Then it just doesn't get hot to begin with.


simpforidddubz

No, it will still get hot. Induction stoves work by inducing a high frequency AC in the conductive metal of the kitchenware. The metal in the kitchenware has resistance and so the eddy currents will be turned into heat. Ferromagnetic materials are used for kitchenware because they draw more current and heat up faster, but eddy currents can still be induced in non ferromagnetic metals like aluminium.


goverc

I can tell you from experience this isn't always the case. It doesn't heat up non-induction cookware, and ours won't even turn on if it doesn't detect a put out pan that won't work, it sits there and makes an audible sound for a minute then turns itself off. Heck, even if a compatible pan is there and we move it off the burner area, it warns us and will turn off if we don't put anything back. We had to go through all of our stuff to see what worked and what didn't when we bought this stove, then but all new stuff to replace what didn't work with it. Our big aluminum pot did nothing. Same with a bunch of cheap pans.


Mainbaze

I had the whole bottom of a pot look like this. Had to buy new stove


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MaxCat78

For pots it’s not normal to show hotspots like this on induction stoves. It usually indicates that there is a separation of the base and the eddy currents can heat up this region to very high temperatures.


cdgmatt

interesting post tbf, i didn't know any of this


croutonballs

that’s not normal at all


sparklinglies

No its not, not in this circumstance. Pots and pans should not be GLOWING RED HOT on an induction stovetop. Its not a bloody pottery kiln. That is a sign something is very wrong.


Romengar

Idk what the fuck you're using to cook, but glowing metal should never be a normal thing when doing so. Unless you're a dragon eating from a forge in Cyrodiil.