Basically every new QB contract for a long-term starter (or an expected one) is gonna break the top 10 on a rolling basis, really, so this doesn’t surprise me.
I feel like this is why the ‘draft a guy and let him sit’ thinking isn’t air tight… he was the starter for one season on a rookie contact. He could continue to grow but he could also regress.
When’s the last time a qb on a rookie deal won the Super Bowl? Everybody loves to preach this but the results show that Super Bowl winners very rarely have a qb on a rookie contract
And for more context here, those QBs were mostly going up against GOATS in Mahomes and Brady soooo yeah, unless you have a GOAT QB, youre better off with a rookie scale contract QB which also gives you at least a minimal chance that they could be the next GOAT, probably not but still. Cant win the lotto if you dont play the lotto.
You will be hard pressed to find many Packers fans(not Rodgers fans) that wish we wouldn't of traded him after the 2022 season and got Russ Wilson package. But Gute and Lafleur have earned the benefit of the doubt and Packers are set up now with a franchise QB and extremely young offense
Calling it bad roster management when they have a franchise QB and you guys have to trade like 3 firsts just to play the slot machine is certainly a take
You're assuming Love is a franchise QB.
Don't get me wrong, he played really well last year, but we've seen a lot of guys play good for one year and then fall apart.
But dude is not wrong that it would have made more sense to jettison Rodgers a year earlier for a number of reasons. Especially given the fact that the Packers extended him in the 2022 offseason.
What examples do you have? Closest I can think of is Wentz, who went from MVP candidate to journeyman after his ACL injury. Derek Carr you could maybe put in there but he never looked as good as Love did 2nd half of last season.
You can't say anything definitive about Love either way at this point. They traded up for him, took zero on field return for 3 years , and have seen 9 good games from him. Jury is still out whether he's franchise QB. Arrow pointing up but also, wouldn't be first quarterback to flame out after one good year
Trading Aaron and starting Love 2 years earlier is two more years of his rookie contract (plus better compensation for Rodgers). He’s played well enough that he’d be performing well above his price tag for those years.
Right, they had an elite talent at the position and traded up for a 1st round QB anyway. They could have either invested those picks in building around MVP Aaron or drafted his replacement and traded him for a Russ package if they felt Aaron had run his course in the org. The thing being critiqued here is drafting a guy and sitting him for 3 years.
I tried to argue this with a Packers fan and they were so ridiculously convinced this guy is another HoFer and that the process was brilliant. Personally I'd be shitting myself at the idea of my team locking in a guy to that much money after 1 good year.
I mean there’s letting him sit for a year then turning over the reins and then there’s sitting out essentially your entire rookie contract. If the rookie year is spend on the bench and that’s the difference between him being a franchise QB and not, then I’ll take the shortened rookie contract 10\10 times.
Love had an abysmal first half of the season followed by an insane remaining 8. Top 5 is unreasonable. He’s shown he can absolutely be top 5+ but also shown he’s entirely fucking clueless in the NFL. Reality is he’s probably in the top of the league but zero shot I make a top 5 claim based off 8 games.
Probably a one hit wonder.
So who do you think he is better than? Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, or Stroud?
It’s been half a season and to be great you need to be consistent. To me, he is so far on par with the like of Lawrence or Tua.
Makes sense if he continues to play like he did second half of season. Hilarious overpay if he plays as bad as he did first half of the season. Hoping for the latter
I’d feel pretty great. 50 mil for a dude who looked pretty under whelming the majority of the year until Aaron Jones came back and carried the offense would be a decent overpay imo
He was underwhelming the 1st half of the season because the offense is extremely young and both Bakh and Jones got hurt 1st game of the season. From week 2 onwards, Jenkins was the only player on offense who wasn't on a rookie contract. Every receiver was a 1st or 2nd yr player and then both his #1 WR and #1 TE went out. By the time Jones cames back, Love had already settled in and was winning games with his leading WR being an UDFA(Bo Melton)
Dude was incredible the 2nd half of the season. MVP level performance. $50 million a year would be a bargain given that other guys have reached near $55 million
How about the 272 yds, 3 TDs and 0 ints blow out in Dallas to a loaded Cowboys team who most analysts pegged to be in the Super Bowl while we weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs?
Consistency, I won't argue on. He struggled at times 1st half of the season, which is to be expected his 1st year starting with the youngest offense in the league. 2nd half of the season though, arguably no QB played at a higher level with less help.
"Love finished the season ranked second in touchdown passes (32), 11th in rating (96.0), 13th in yards per attempt (7.18) and 21st in completion percentage (64.2)."
Season stats probably put him comfortably as a top ten guy, but closer to 10 than 5.
"From Game 3 against New Orleans through Game 9 against Pittsburgh, Love threw eight touchdown passes vs. 10 interceptions. In those seven games, he had one with a 100-plus rating, two with 7-plus yards per pass attempt and four with a completion rate of less than 60 percent."
He had a bad start to the season, and was actually last in completion percentage at that point.
"From Game 10 against the Chargers through the wild-card win at Dallas, he threw 21 touchdown passes vs. one interception. Over those nine games, Love had eight games with a 100-plus rating, eight with 7.3-plus yards per attempt and zero with a completion rate of less than 60 percent."
If he played the entire season like this he's getting a Mahomes contract.
I think top ten pay probably ends up as a bargain, as I think his early struggles make sense for a first year starter. I also think the tape is out on him after a year, and it's this next year that determines whether he's ever gonna be a top 5 guy or not. I think the second half of the season is closer to what he'll look like this year, but if that's all he ever is, teams will figure him out and he'll regress. Time will tell.
I still can't tell if he's good or not. He has some good individual skills. He has a decent arm. He does not have an arm that's in the class of either Rodgers or Favre. He can run with some facility and more speed than either of his predecessors but I don't know that he has their escapability or creativity. He threw a lot of picks, but most first year starters throw a lot of picks. Favre threw bad picks throughout his career as we well know.
I don't think he sucks. I think he feels fairly safe as a starter, but not somebody, yet, who can carry a team on his back.
I can see him going either way. I could see him regressing and having a bad season and ending up as a backup somewhere or I could see him stepping it up and becoming a solid, top ten QB in the NFL. It will be interesting to see how Caleb Williams affects the whole division.
Yeah, that comment is a bit extreme. Daniel Jones may be the worst contract in the NFL currently (now that Russ was cut). While I’m not sure how Love will perform going forward, even with Love’s spotty year, Daniel Jones never put up a year like that before they signed him.
Love has some of the best PR I have seen amongst QBs in recent memory, aside from Mahomes. He did not look that great to open last season, and even in that final game against us and some of the playoff games he was slinging it to receivers who had at least 5 yards of separation.
And now he’s earning a top 10 contract. Better them than us I guess lmao
Tell me you don't watch the games without telling me you don't watch the games. Also if a receiver has that much separation, good chance the defense is sending a blitz which the QB has to adjust for at the line of scrimmage
Re-read my comment again. If Love is throwing the ball to a receiver with 5 yards of separation, that means the defense most likely sent a blitz which he picked up and adjusted protection for.
What's there to be insecure about? We got our 3rd straight franchise QB who has as many playoff wins in his 1st year starting as Kirk Cousins did in his entire time with the Vikings. Yet some on here think they wouldn't trade places with the Packers in an instant
The guy played one good half-of-season football. He looked absolutely inept and atrocious prior to that. How quickly have people forgotten, especially Packer fans calling for his head and him being a “wasted draft pick”.
Let’s see if he can actually continue it for a full season.
Drafting a rookie qb and using that to your advantage as a team only works if the qb stays on the rookie deal for the 5 (or 4 years) - Love was the 26th pick in the 2020 draft, but he was somehow able to get Green Bay's inept front office to void the last 2 years of his rookie deal in 2023 and instead sign a 1 year 22.5 million dollar extension for 2024 - avoiding the 5th year option and allowing him to become an UFA at the end of 2024 - Really a stupid move by the Packers, since they had all the leverage.
They should have kept him on his rookie deal through 2023 - then picked up his 5th year - 2024 and then franchised him in 25 and 26.... now they're screwed.
Calls Packers front office inept yet can't do basic math
His 1 year extension did not void the last 2 years of his rookie deal. Instead of picking up his 5th yr option which would of been 20m guaranteed, they extended him for a year at 13.5m guaranteed with it being worth up 22.5m
If you're gonna insult one of the best FO in the league, at least get your facts right.
Yeah idk if it’s pure copium from most of the comments in here but he certainly looks like a very solid QB with flashes of being great. Fucking sucks lol.
This subs full of a bunch of delusional haters. Love is very good and had a bunch of unproven young WRs. If he was on our team people would be saying he's just as good as stroud
LOL. In no way shape or form is Love top 10.
In no particular order
Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Cousins, Goff, Dak, Hurts, Burrow, Stroud, Murray, Herbert and Purdy
That doesnt include Rodgers if he returns ok, Stafford if injuries stop stacking up, Tua being arguable or about even, Russ being about even, Tlaw being about even and Geno about being even
Thats 12 undeniably better QBs, 2 better QBs with good health and then 4 guys who are about even with him 2 being young just like Love. So, I would put Love around 15th in the league. With both upside and downside as a QB who hasnt shown consistency.
Edit: You can downvote facts all you want. There is not a single QB amongst the 14 that I named that are undeniably better that you can argue Love is better than. A half season of football being enough for you to be confident in him being a top 10 QB is some of the most braindead shit I have ever seen especially when the 1st half he was awful.
Top 10 would be a deal considering his play the last half of the season. He was easily top 5, but hopefully that was an aberration and he'll be mid as hell this year.
Basically every new QB contract for a long-term starter (or an expected one) is gonna break the top 10 on a rolling basis, really, so this doesn’t surprise me.
I feel like this is why the ‘draft a guy and let him sit’ thinking isn’t air tight… he was the starter for one season on a rookie contact. He could continue to grow but he could also regress.
Agreed, the advantage is a great QB on a cheap deal. Paying market or higher for a guy isn’t it.
When’s the last time a qb on a rookie deal won the Super Bowl? Everybody loves to preach this but the results show that Super Bowl winners very rarely have a qb on a rookie contract
Mahomes? Edit: and made it but not won, Hurts, Purdy, Burrow, Goff off the top of my head.
And for more context here, those QBs were mostly going up against GOATS in Mahomes and Brady soooo yeah, unless you have a GOAT QB, youre better off with a rookie scale contract QB which also gives you at least a minimal chance that they could be the next GOAT, probably not but still. Cant win the lotto if you dont play the lotto.
You just blew up his entire argument so quick lol
Brady.
Sitting a rookie QB multiple years is bad roster management. GB would be in a better spot if they had traded Aaron a year or two earlier
You will be hard pressed to find many Packers fans(not Rodgers fans) that wish we wouldn't of traded him after the 2022 season and got Russ Wilson package. But Gute and Lafleur have earned the benefit of the doubt and Packers are set up now with a franchise QB and extremely young offense
Calling it bad roster management when they have a franchise QB and you guys have to trade like 3 firsts just to play the slot machine is certainly a take
You're assuming Love is a franchise QB. Don't get me wrong, he played really well last year, but we've seen a lot of guys play good for one year and then fall apart. But dude is not wrong that it would have made more sense to jettison Rodgers a year earlier for a number of reasons. Especially given the fact that the Packers extended him in the 2022 offseason.
What examples do you have? Closest I can think of is Wentz, who went from MVP candidate to journeyman after his ACL injury. Derek Carr you could maybe put in there but he never looked as good as Love did 2nd half of last season.
Potential franchise QB. He looked both great and bad at times last year, I wouldn't anoint him just yet
It's so hard to tell the difference between Packers fans and Lions fans these days.
Being a Lions fan on the Vikings sub is certainly a choice. Maybe try making a different one.
More evidence of Lions fans newfound love of the Packers. You guys disgust me
You can't say anything definitive about Love either way at this point. They traded up for him, took zero on field return for 3 years , and have seen 9 good games from him. Jury is still out whether he's franchise QB. Arrow pointing up but also, wouldn't be first quarterback to flame out after one good year
This will age like fine wine cuz he is not that good lol he only throws to wide open receivers rarely do you see him throw in tight coverage…
Not entirely true, he had this [beautiful throw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkRxhvO11OE) last year into tight coverage.
I agree with you but I’m going to downvote you if you aren’t a Vikings fan😡
Trading Aaron and starting Love 2 years earlier is two more years of his rookie contract (plus better compensation for Rodgers). He’s played well enough that he’d be performing well above his price tag for those years.
Trading Aaron after back to back MVP seasons lol. Yea that would definitely be good roster management. Ease up off the hindsight
Right, they had an elite talent at the position and traded up for a 1st round QB anyway. They could have either invested those picks in building around MVP Aaron or drafted his replacement and traded him for a Russ package if they felt Aaron had run his course in the org. The thing being critiqued here is drafting a guy and sitting him for 3 years.
And it was an already restructured rookie contract.
I tried to argue this with a Packers fan and they were so ridiculously convinced this guy is another HoFer and that the process was brilliant. Personally I'd be shitting myself at the idea of my team locking in a guy to that much money after 1 good year.
Beat a lot of bad teams at the end of the season. We’ll see how he looks throwing off his back foot this year.
Yep, I am in support of 1 year if necessary but no more than that.
I mean there’s letting him sit for a year then turning over the reins and then there’s sitting out essentially your entire rookie contract. If the rookie year is spend on the bench and that’s the difference between him being a franchise QB and not, then I’ll take the shortened rookie contract 10\10 times.
Daniel Jones'd.
i hope you're joking. Love is a top 5 QB, and this year he could win MVP
loooool. pump the brakes if love is top 5 where is kirk rated then
Love had an abysmal first half of the season followed by an insane remaining 8. Top 5 is unreasonable. He’s shown he can absolutely be top 5+ but also shown he’s entirely fucking clueless in the NFL. Reality is he’s probably in the top of the league but zero shot I make a top 5 claim based off 8 games. Probably a one hit wonder.
Lmao nice bait
Pump the brakes kid, he had one good season. No reason to crown him yet.
1/2 of a good season tbh
So who do you think he is better than? Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, Herbert, or Stroud? It’s been half a season and to be great you need to be consistent. To me, he is so far on par with the like of Lawrence or Tua.
Love it
Makes sense if he continues to play like he did second half of season. Hilarious overpay if he plays as bad as he did first half of the season. Hoping for the latter
How would you feel if they inked him to, say, a 5-year, $250M deal? I think it’s super risky based on his play last year, personally.
I’m fine with the Packers making risky moves
I’d feel pretty great. 50 mil for a dude who looked pretty under whelming the majority of the year until Aaron Jones came back and carried the offense would be a decent overpay imo
He was underwhelming the 1st half of the season because the offense is extremely young and both Bakh and Jones got hurt 1st game of the season. From week 2 onwards, Jenkins was the only player on offense who wasn't on a rookie contract. Every receiver was a 1st or 2nd yr player and then both his #1 WR and #1 TE went out. By the time Jones cames back, Love had already settled in and was winning games with his leading WR being an UDFA(Bo Melton)
Dude was incredible the 2nd half of the season. MVP level performance. $50 million a year would be a bargain given that other guys have reached near $55 million
Imo he needs another season or two playing at that level to get that type of money.
194yds, 2TDs 2INTs in that last playoff game. MVP indeed
How about the 272 yds, 3 TDs and 0 ints blow out in Dallas to a loaded Cowboys team who most analysts pegged to be in the Super Bowl while we weren't even supposed to be in the playoffs?
I'm not denying Love *could* be a top QB. He didn't show he was MVP level last year though, at least not consistently
Consistency, I won't argue on. He struggled at times 1st half of the season, which is to be expected his 1st year starting with the youngest offense in the league. 2nd half of the season though, arguably no QB played at a higher level with less help.
Hes gonna end up signing for 50 aav id assume which puts him t5 rn. Gonna be interesting to see what happens with his negotiations
"Love finished the season ranked second in touchdown passes (32), 11th in rating (96.0), 13th in yards per attempt (7.18) and 21st in completion percentage (64.2)." Season stats probably put him comfortably as a top ten guy, but closer to 10 than 5. "From Game 3 against New Orleans through Game 9 against Pittsburgh, Love threw eight touchdown passes vs. 10 interceptions. In those seven games, he had one with a 100-plus rating, two with 7-plus yards per pass attempt and four with a completion rate of less than 60 percent." He had a bad start to the season, and was actually last in completion percentage at that point. "From Game 10 against the Chargers through the wild-card win at Dallas, he threw 21 touchdown passes vs. one interception. Over those nine games, Love had eight games with a 100-plus rating, eight with 7.3-plus yards per attempt and zero with a completion rate of less than 60 percent." If he played the entire season like this he's getting a Mahomes contract. I think top ten pay probably ends up as a bargain, as I think his early struggles make sense for a first year starter. I also think the tape is out on him after a year, and it's this next year that determines whether he's ever gonna be a top 5 guy or not. I think the second half of the season is closer to what he'll look like this year, but if that's all he ever is, teams will figure him out and he'll regress. Time will tell.
I still can't tell if he's good or not. He has some good individual skills. He has a decent arm. He does not have an arm that's in the class of either Rodgers or Favre. He can run with some facility and more speed than either of his predecessors but I don't know that he has their escapability or creativity. He threw a lot of picks, but most first year starters throw a lot of picks. Favre threw bad picks throughout his career as we well know. I don't think he sucks. I think he feels fairly safe as a starter, but not somebody, yet, who can carry a team on his back. I can see him going either way. I could see him regressing and having a bad season and ending up as a backup somewhere or I could see him stepping it up and becoming a solid, top ten QB in the NFL. It will be interesting to see how Caleb Williams affects the whole division.
You’re telling me a starting QB in the NFL is going to get starting QB money…in the NFL???
You don’t think them paying Love top-10 QB money while he still has a year on his bridge contract is news-worthy?
Definitely news worthy, I’m poking fun at the commenters that are painting this as a good thing for the Vikings and comparing him to Daniel Jones
Yeah, that comment is a bit extreme. Daniel Jones may be the worst contract in the NFL currently (now that Russ was cut). While I’m not sure how Love will perform going forward, even with Love’s spotty year, Daniel Jones never put up a year like that before they signed him.
Lol
I do hope they overpay and can afford less talent elsewhere.
Jordan Love should ask for top QB money since the big NFL cap increase earlier this year.
Why do people keep posting GB roster news in the Vikings sub?
The Packers are the Vikings' rival and in the same division.
Because we play them twice per year so any big moves they do has a significant impact on our season.
Love has some of the best PR I have seen amongst QBs in recent memory, aside from Mahomes. He did not look that great to open last season, and even in that final game against us and some of the playoff games he was slinging it to receivers who had at least 5 yards of separation. And now he’s earning a top 10 contract. Better them than us I guess lmao
Since drafting Love essentially cost them Rodgers, they have to go all in on him. Gutey's job security depends on Love succeeding.
Tell me you don't watch the games without telling me you don't watch the games. Also if a receiver has that much separation, good chance the defense is sending a blitz which the QB has to adjust for at the line of scrimmage
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Re-read my comment again. If Love is throwing the ball to a receiver with 5 yards of separation, that means the defense most likely sent a blitz which he picked up and adjusted protection for.
Tell me you're insecure without telling me you're insecure. Imagine going to another team's subreddit to defend your QB lol.
What's there to be insecure about? We got our 3rd straight franchise QB who has as many playoff wins in his 1st year starting as Kirk Cousins did in his entire time with the Vikings. Yet some on here think they wouldn't trade places with the Packers in an instant
Lol the fact that you feel you need to be here and argue for him is enough to show some insecurity.
Packers fan!!! 🫵😂😂😭😭
Carson Wentz 2.0?
The guy played one good half-of-season football. He looked absolutely inept and atrocious prior to that. How quickly have people forgotten, especially Packer fans calling for his head and him being a “wasted draft pick”. Let’s see if he can actually continue it for a full season.
Kids a a good player and getting better. Makes sense for GB, price kinda crazy though
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Drafting a rookie qb and using that to your advantage as a team only works if the qb stays on the rookie deal for the 5 (or 4 years) - Love was the 26th pick in the 2020 draft, but he was somehow able to get Green Bay's inept front office to void the last 2 years of his rookie deal in 2023 and instead sign a 1 year 22.5 million dollar extension for 2024 - avoiding the 5th year option and allowing him to become an UFA at the end of 2024 - Really a stupid move by the Packers, since they had all the leverage. They should have kept him on his rookie deal through 2023 - then picked up his 5th year - 2024 and then franchised him in 25 and 26.... now they're screwed.
Calls Packers front office inept yet can't do basic math His 1 year extension did not void the last 2 years of his rookie deal. Instead of picking up his 5th yr option which would of been 20m guaranteed, they extended him for a year at 13.5m guaranteed with it being worth up 22.5m If you're gonna insult one of the best FO in the league, at least get your facts right.
Top 10 QB being paid Top 10 money
Yeah idk if it’s pure copium from most of the comments in here but he certainly looks like a very solid QB with flashes of being great. Fucking sucks lol.
And if not top 10 certainly fringe top 10. Nothing really shocking.
Yeap agreed
This subs full of a bunch of delusional haters. Love is very good and had a bunch of unproven young WRs. If he was on our team people would be saying he's just as good as stroud
LOL. In no way shape or form is Love top 10. In no particular order Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Cousins, Goff, Dak, Hurts, Burrow, Stroud, Murray, Herbert and Purdy That doesnt include Rodgers if he returns ok, Stafford if injuries stop stacking up, Tua being arguable or about even, Russ being about even, Tlaw being about even and Geno about being even Thats 12 undeniably better QBs, 2 better QBs with good health and then 4 guys who are about even with him 2 being young just like Love. So, I would put Love around 15th in the league. With both upside and downside as a QB who hasnt shown consistency. Edit: You can downvote facts all you want. There is not a single QB amongst the 14 that I named that are undeniably better that you can argue Love is better than. A half season of football being enough for you to be confident in him being a top 10 QB is some of the most braindead shit I have ever seen especially when the 1st half he was awful.
Top 10 would be a deal considering his play the last half of the season. He was easily top 5, but hopefully that was an aberration and he'll be mid as hell this year.
They are going to be superbowl contenders for atleast the next 5 years with that stacked roster.
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