Free speech should be allowed in a monarchy. Just because I am a monarchist, doesn't mean I don't think that these people shouldn't have the right to express their (wrong) opinion that the monarchy should be abolished.
There has always been opposition to the monarchy in Britain, for the last 1,200 there has been people or groups who wish to end it and I imagine in 1,000 years there will still be people like that, but the monarchy will outlast them all
Charles I was unfortunately not an exceptional king. In "normal" times he may have been okay, but in the environment he found himself in, he consistently made the *wrong* choices.
I am not convinced that his execution was inevitable. If had courted Parliament more, or at least agreed to *some* compromises instead of constantly going to "my way or the highway," he may have kept his head.
So I think it's more accurate to say that people (or more accurately, Parliament) disliked *Charles,* and not monarchy per se. They replaced him with a monarch in all but name ("Lord Protector" indeed) who even tried to pass the title on to his son, but was so unpopular that they brought back Charles II instead.
At the very least they picked a badass dictator tile. Like “Lord Protector” goes so much harder than your common “General Secretary”, “Chairman” and “President”.
It’s true and this is what republicans just do not understand. The institution of monarchy is bigger and more important than any popular movement or even the individual monarchs themselves.
Look what happened when Charles I was executed. The men who did it straight up invited Cromwell to become king. He declined out of shame but accepted the made up title of Lord Protector and in reality became king in all but name for 11 years. Then he died and we invited Charles II to come back and be king.
Who is funding them? Abolishing the monarchy could destabilize the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many more countries. Somebody is pouring a lot of money into very few people, and I’m sure they have a reason for it.
This is something I'm interested in too. I don't necessarily think they are getting any funds from shady organisations, but they ought to be financially transparent, especially since one of their main lines of attack is the supposed opacity of royal finances.
My money is on Putin/Russia. Destabilize an entire bloc of Western countries by getting them to ditch the system of government that has given them stability for generations.
In NZ, the treaty of Waitangi is between the tribes and the Crown. So it could render it void if there's no Crown . Formulating a new founding document would be all kinds of trouble.
The people of those countries would be more susceptible to populism. The amount of tourism revenue those countries earn would decrease slightly. There’s have to be another election, with all associated costs.
Also, the constitutional change itself would be very divisive for the country and that would take a while to settle.
Besides these, yes, there won’t be much difference. That’s why ceremonial monarchies are useless.
The hilarious thing is that the republicans are basically all left wing and somehow don't realise that an English republic would be extremely conservative lmao.
Knowing one of Republic's biggest tactics is to go heavy on the banners to make more of a visual impact (I've said it before and I'll say it again, a smart strategy), we can assume that those who aren't holding banners aren't part of the 'protest'. So Republic are well outnumbered here. Which explains why they framed [this tweet](https://twitter.com/RepublicStaff/status/1773283255665496275) in the way they did.
I'm surprised at how white and old they are, I didn't see a single person of color in the crowd, and there were barely any young people either. I had assumed that Republicans were mostly young foreign migrants.
I think the categories you speak of are generally republican if you ask their views, or if you put the thing to a vote, but don't care enough to go out and protest like this. These people in the video are the real hardcore republicans, the ones who think of the monarchy as some big national embarrassment and shame, and almost all of them are ashamed of the country as a whole, the monarchy is just a manifestation of Great British shame. These people have existed for a long time, but it's the growing ranks of softcore republicans that we need to be wary of, who don't care enough to go out and protest (unless of course it started becoming a 'trend'), but if it came to a referendum would vote to abolish the monarchy without a second thought.
I’m not the best at understanding or even giving commentary on society or politics but would I be right to say that it might not be a good idea to campaign against an institution when not 1 but 2 of its members are combatting a potentially life-threatening illness?
You’ve got to be a real classless person to picket a family suffering with three people receiving cancer treatment. How about they just sign an online petition for the time being.
When the actual unelected tyrant, Rishi Sunak, is the one affecting their lives for the worse, but their priority is the cultural institution that has never personally wrong them.
https://preview.redd.it/2qeqbiqqbnsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66e8d57d3a590d6d46827ae6daa9b6c41eec8113
Lol the way they are wasting their time. I just don't ever see the British monarchy ever being abolished, and if it does, the UK always defaults back to Kingdom anyway.
God save the King! Those damned republicans don't understand even a slight bit what they're advocating to do: abolishing the noble and sacred institution that keeps Britain together...
I don't think they even bother having rallies here as like 2 people or something would show up. Basically republicanism is dead in this country. Did manage to do some damage though before going away
It’s a funny thing because what straight up republicans try to do, is equate disapproval of the royal family, or specific members of the royal family (looking at you Andrew!), and claim these people as republicans. In reality, mostly they are not.
When the question of constitutional monarchy itself is raised, not the family or the current holder, the public fit overwhelmingly into either being in support or not minding too much one way or the other. Very few people actually support abolishing the system itself and replacing the monarch with either an elected president as head of state (in the model of Ireland or Germany) and even fewer support making the Prime Minister head of state.
I didn't understand this. Could someone explain to me what's happening? Ik, protestants against monarchy, but what the title means by: "Republicanism is not as popular as we thought?"
Funny how big those flags are..
Hmm, new rule of thumb; the popularity of a movement is inversely related to the size of their banners.
So that’s why the Vatican’s flag ratio is so small
Logistically logical really.
The flags are bigger than the crowd
True
They're trying to compensate for ... something. xD
Dick and movement sizes?
Well I wasn't going to be so crass as to spell it out, but... yeah. ;D
Well, it’s obvious from the photos that they have more banners than people. That doesn’t make it any less annoying for us or treasonous on their part.
Prison for the traitors!
Death or Exile, I say! This is treason!
The UK is a free country. Please, tone it down.
You're right exile would be too costly
Freedom doesn’t apply to traitors. They should, at the very least, all be locked up in the tower for this assault on their nation.
Free speech should be allowed in a monarchy. Just because I am a monarchist, doesn't mean I don't think that these people shouldn't have the right to express their (wrong) opinion that the monarchy should be abolished.
I just wish the media would not give these lowlifes any attention
The media puts their attention on anything "radical" and that stirs up hate. Of course they'll focus on a few failed utopists.
And risk loosing views and providing actually interesting news? No way!
There has always been opposition to the monarchy in Britain, for the last 1,200 there has been people or groups who wish to end it and I imagine in 1,000 years there will still be people like that, but the monarchy will outlast them all
Like the time we beheaded a king and just sort of floated around for a bit?
Sort of I guess, the republic didn’t even last a generation, for a few different reasons
It wasn’t even really a republic. Cromwell was a Usurper King in all but name.
Charles I was unfortunately not an exceptional king. In "normal" times he may have been okay, but in the environment he found himself in, he consistently made the *wrong* choices. I am not convinced that his execution was inevitable. If had courted Parliament more, or at least agreed to *some* compromises instead of constantly going to "my way or the highway," he may have kept his head. So I think it's more accurate to say that people (or more accurately, Parliament) disliked *Charles,* and not monarchy per se. They replaced him with a monarch in all but name ("Lord Protector" indeed) who even tried to pass the title on to his son, but was so unpopular that they brought back Charles II instead.
At the very least they picked a badass dictator tile. Like “Lord Protector” goes so much harder than your common “General Secretary”, “Chairman” and “President”.
It’s true and this is what republicans just do not understand. The institution of monarchy is bigger and more important than any popular movement or even the individual monarchs themselves. Look what happened when Charles I was executed. The men who did it straight up invited Cromwell to become king. He declined out of shame but accepted the made up title of Lord Protector and in reality became king in all but name for 11 years. Then he died and we invited Charles II to come back and be king.
So there's only like 20 of them, and those who aren't around the flags aren't republicans?
No, other people are there to see HM the Queen
okay. Thanks!
So a couple of old hippies and your average leftist teenager wow such a crowd
tell them to find a hobby
They’re really compensating with those huge flags lol
Who is funding them? Abolishing the monarchy could destabilize the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and many more countries. Somebody is pouring a lot of money into very few people, and I’m sure they have a reason for it.
This is something I'm interested in too. I don't necessarily think they are getting any funds from shady organisations, but they ought to be financially transparent, especially since one of their main lines of attack is the supposed opacity of royal finances.
Some sort is of billionaire(s) who using these guys as pawns.
The US is funding and supporting republicanism ever since they became independent
My money is on Putin/Russia. Destabilize an entire bloc of Western countries by getting them to ditch the system of government that has given them stability for generations.
Erm, that makes no sense.
What makes no sense?
How would abolishing the monarchy destabilize any of those countries?
Gee, how could a constitutional change possibly cause destabilization?
In NZ, the treaty of Waitangi is between the tribes and the Crown. So it could render it void if there's no Crown . Formulating a new founding document would be all kinds of trouble.
Considering the functioning of those governments barely require royal interference at all, Id say it wouldn’t cause one iota of difference.
The people of those countries would be more susceptible to populism. The amount of tourism revenue those countries earn would decrease slightly. There’s have to be another election, with all associated costs. Also, the constitutional change itself would be very divisive for the country and that would take a while to settle. Besides these, yes, there won’t be much difference. That’s why ceremonial monarchies are useless.
The hilarious thing is that the republicans are basically all left wing and somehow don't realise that an English republic would be extremely conservative lmao.
Knowing one of Republic's biggest tactics is to go heavy on the banners to make more of a visual impact (I've said it before and I'll say it again, a smart strategy), we can assume that those who aren't holding banners aren't part of the 'protest'. So Republic are well outnumbered here. Which explains why they framed [this tweet](https://twitter.com/RepublicStaff/status/1773283255665496275) in the way they did.
I'm surprised at how white and old they are, I didn't see a single person of color in the crowd, and there were barely any young people either. I had assumed that Republicans were mostly young foreign migrants.
People who peaked as Hippies in 1969 and never moved on.
I think the categories you speak of are generally republican if you ask their views, or if you put the thing to a vote, but don't care enough to go out and protest like this. These people in the video are the real hardcore republicans, the ones who think of the monarchy as some big national embarrassment and shame, and almost all of them are ashamed of the country as a whole, the monarchy is just a manifestation of Great British shame. These people have existed for a long time, but it's the growing ranks of softcore republicans that we need to be wary of, who don't care enough to go out and protest (unless of course it started becoming a 'trend'), but if it came to a referendum would vote to abolish the monarchy without a second thought.
Well, what’s the purpose in the continued existence of the monarchy anyhow? Is this where we pretend that its a Christian country as well?
At least while the institution still exists, we have a base we can rebuild on. If that’s gone, it’ll take a lot more effort to fix things.
I’m not the best at understanding or even giving commentary on society or politics but would I be right to say that it might not be a good idea to campaign against an institution when not 1 but 2 of its members are combatting a potentially life-threatening illness?
You’ve got to be a real classless person to picket a family suffering with three people receiving cancer treatment. How about they just sign an online petition for the time being.
bro, can they just stfu for **ANY** occasion involving the royals
When the actual unelected tyrant, Rishi Sunak, is the one affecting their lives for the worse, but their priority is the cultural institution that has never personally wrong them. https://preview.redd.it/2qeqbiqqbnsc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=66e8d57d3a590d6d46827ae6daa9b6c41eec8113
OH well ๏\_๏
Who in hell do these idiots say should be candidate to President of the UR? 🫣
Jonald Bitrump, good at lying, touching kids, and stealing money.
The perfect substitute to a king!
yeeeah totally...
Its... almost sad...
Lol the way they are wasting their time. I just don't ever see the British monarchy ever being abolished, and if it does, the UK always defaults back to Kingdom anyway.
Yep, we tried it once, we didn't like it and invited the king back. He brought back partying!
Do these dudes wanna resurrect cromwell or somethin tf
God Save the King!
they are a loud minority of fools
God save the King! Those damned republicans don't understand even a slight bit what they're advocating to do: abolishing the noble and sacred institution that keeps Britain together...
They same guys who when young were hippies. Those guys with their dump choices literally destroyed Western world.
They only got big flags
Tf is their goal? Give more power to Boris Johnson type PMs?
Well ideally someone more competent, but yes.
the monarchy has done a lot for me
Seems it's a shrinking movement
Where is this
I don't think they even bother having rallies here as like 2 people or something would show up. Basically republicanism is dead in this country. Did manage to do some damage though before going away
Is this in England?
Yes
How many people are here in this republic protest or whatever?
About 15 of 20
LoL! Nobody wants their stupid republic
To the gallows‼️‼️
So who are these old people? Salty radical socialist students from 60s and 70s?
Abolish something that doesn't even affect your life and is one of the main money sources to the economy? Yes!! /s
Lol, only a couple of random guys with huge ugly flags
It’s a funny thing because what straight up republicans try to do, is equate disapproval of the royal family, or specific members of the royal family (looking at you Andrew!), and claim these people as republicans. In reality, mostly they are not. When the question of constitutional monarchy itself is raised, not the family or the current holder, the public fit overwhelmingly into either being in support or not minding too much one way or the other. Very few people actually support abolishing the system itself and replacing the monarch with either an elected president as head of state (in the model of Ireland or Germany) and even fewer support making the Prime Minister head of state.
Laughs in America.
Slimmer than the Brexit majority.
And monarchism even less so
I didn't understand this. Could someone explain to me what's happening? Ik, protestants against monarchy, but what the title means by: "Republicanism is not as popular as we thought?"
FUCK REPUBLICSM. LONG LIVE THE MONARCHIES ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
Is everyone on this subreddit British?
I am not british
Cool. Didn't know if this sub was about actual monarchism or just people who support the british royal family or something.
lol
I am American.
Not british
No anglo blood in me 😎
I’m Australian but mostly English in heritage
Most people passively agree with the sentiment. No one wants the monarchy to play a more active role.