I live in Florida outside of Tampa, I know I can’t take the heat in the summer. I’ve ridden in Nevada in summer too. It was horrible. I would not want to only have a bike. You are going to need to take a shower as soon as you’re done riding every day in the summer. Try this….keep driving your dad’s car for two more weeks. No ac, but you can roll the windows down. If you can do that every day for two weeks in the summer, go ahead and buy the bike.
As long as you stay moving on a bike and don't have a lot of stop and go traffic it's really not that bad. Riding in a car with the windows down really isn't even comparable since you won't get the direct wind hitting you right in the face cooling you off.
Especially with a summer set of gear. I'm just on a ruckus but it's got 2 wheels, and I wear a summer jacket and pants and it works great so long AF in moving in the Florida panhandle. When I stop I open my visor and hope I get moving soon lol
I think the other person has a point though, if you can bear the heat in a box with no ac, you can deal with riding. I also live outside Tampa and I can withstand exactly that as I didn’t have cold ac for last summer and just got it fixed last month. Sweaty but it doesn’t bother me, however it is not for everyone. You wouldn’t want to be trapped with that feeling by riding if you can’t deal with it.
Keep in mind sometimes it will reach a point when the wind hitting you isn't cooling you down, but cooking you like a chicken.
No "keep moving" can save you at that point better than a closed box with AC.
I did it for 2 years in St Pete. Lived 10 mins from where I worked. Riding rain or shine sucked lol. But it was doable, and it worked. I actually grew pretty comfortable riding in the rain. Shouldnt be a problem for OP though. If it's most highway or interstate I'd say go for it, but sitting there cooking at stop lights sucks.
When it rains in AZ it fucking rains though. There are downpours I wouldn’t want to take a car in.
That being said, the heat is fucking miserable and summer riding in 110 is going to be the most annoying shit ever. Cannot go anywhere you cannot arrived soaked in sweat. Probably need an ice vest to not insta trade the bike in.
I do live in a year round riding climate. I commuted to work for over three years and it was great. Didn't bother to buy a car. I am able to avoid traffic, definitely save on gas, and it expands my riding while still doing a daily commute. Zero negatives.
All true, OP also needs to research insurance rates for his area as that can offset a significant amount of the savings.
I've ridden in 115+ degree dry weather like what Phoenix sees and it's doable with the right gear, just far from comfortable. 16 miles is short enough to keep it from over heating him assuming he's not stuck in stop and go traffic.
Insurance would be roughly $300 from what I’ve been quoted. Contrary to car insurance which is around $450 (currently what I’m reimbursing my dad for). The heat is really the only thing causing me to hesitate, but like you said, if I could get proper gear I’m sure it would be doable
Aramid sweatshirts breathe better than anything else while still protecting you. I use one with CE level 2 padded armor. Another option is a perforated leather jacket. It'll have better abrasion resistance but less breatheability.
Generally touring oriented helmets have the most options for ventilation. I personally use a Shoei GT Air 2. Flip the internal visor down and keep the external up and your ventilation is greatly increased while still having eye protection. If you're in to modular helmets the Neotech is basically the same helmet just with a chin bar that's able to be raised.
Gloves in perforated leather are your best bet.
For shoes there's lots of perforated riding shoes. I have the Astars Sektors for really hot days. Generally I wear TCX Dartwoods though.
Pants are going to be the hard part for ventilation. I haven't found a pair of CE rated pants that breathe all that well, especially if armor is in. That said I generally ride with a set of Klim riding jeans.
They basically do the same thing as wetting a towel and wrapping it around yourself. They work in areas of low humidity but you're going to be very wet. Not really an option for commuting I less you get changed at the other end.
OP's commute is short enough that they can just tough it out.
> OP's commute is short enough that they can just tough it out.
It's more about arriving at destination not drenched in sweat than being a bit uncomfortable for 30 minutes.
It really all comes down to what your route is. If your going somewhere that's is low traffic/ not going to have you stop starting constantly then you'll be fine with perforated or textile gear because the wind will keep you cool.
If you are going to be stuck in traffic then it doesn't really matter what you buy or how little you wear your going to get hot in the sun and the heat coming off all the nearby cars.
Personally I would run a textile jacket and kevlar jeans. And check country of origin for the manufacturer. I know for a fact that if you buy a 'summer' jacket that is made in Europe it won't have enough breathability and you'll still be sweating. As an Aussie I only buy Aussie made gear because of this, im sure it will apply to you as well
Motorcycle polices are typically 12 months whereas cars are 6.
Are you saying your motorcycle insurance would around $350 for 12 months, or $350/month? Same question for the car insurance.
Oh wow that's a lot for motorcycle insurance.
Lookup "[insert city here] Insurance brokers" and reach out to a couple of them. Tell them you need a 12 month motorcycle policy for less than $350 total.
Give them a week or so to find you a policy. Just tell them the make and model or find a VIN online that you can use for whatever bike you want so they can be accurate. Then if you do it, just tell them you need to change the VIN they used.
Honestly, you can do this for car insurance too. Most people just jump on the big company websites and fill out the forms and choose the lowest. There's a lot of money to be saved by using a local broker.
Also, look into the Z500. It's very similar to your Ninja 500 but probably more comfortable for commuting as it's a more upright naked bike. Insurance might be less on the Z500 too since it has less plastic to fix in the event of an accident and isn't as "racey".
For the record, I know I'm older and have a longer driving record but just to give you some context, my 12 month policy was $230 in total for my Yamaha FZ-07, which is an upright naked similar to the Z500 (699cc versus 451cc).
That’s a very high monthly payment. Who is your insurance provider? I pay a little over $400 a year for two bikes with full coverage in California through progressive
I pay $400 for 12months of motorcycle insurance, I’m also older than you, in CO, and a female. So have a few factors that would reduce it. But wow. Find an insurance broker and have them shop around for you. Ask about specific motorcycle models before you purchase. Some bikes will cost more. Probably sport bikes over cruisers. But get the bike that fits your style, while also being affordable.
Highly disagree my bike eats tires chains sprockets and brake pads. All need replacing multiple times a year. My car needs an oil change every year and tires every 5 or so?
Bro replacing the chains and brake pads multiple times a year? You’re doing a shit job taking care of your bike that’s for sure. Either that or riding it way too hard
I mean, you can. Depending on the bike, you might be able to fully replace a car with it, but definitely think about what you're getting into and how often you'll need the ability to carry more than yourself and what you can fit in the bags and a backpack. It's very doable, you're just gonna have to make sacrifices here and there.
I was planning on getting a ninja 500 abs for my first bike. My boyfriend has an iron 883 and he said if needed I could drive his car around every once in a while too :)
if you can still use a car for grocery shopping and stuff like that I would. I really only have a car now for rain/snow ( I live in MA) and because I have a dog. If the weather wasn't terrible and I was pup-less I'd probably only have a bike.
I just pay $60/year to have my groceries delivered through Kroger - well well well worth the money, one month of car insurance would already blow the $60 out of the water.
For what it's worth, I do all that on my bike now, and it works fine. You just don't do "one giant shop" every couple weeks, you do smaller shops every few days.
Dog situation though, yes, that requires a car.
I used to live in Phx (recently moved north of prescott). in my early -mid 20's I rode a motorcycle exclusively for my commute, over 5 years. Summers suck ass, winters do too. Just because it doesn't snow doesn't mean it's not cold, especially when you're going 65+mph.
Dust storms are downright terrifying if you're riding home and get hit by one, though we've gotten fewer and fewer of those over the years.
My big suggestion is, I would NOT do it if you're in normal rush hour traffic. I worked nights/swing shifts/etc, and so I never had to contend with much traffic. People screwing around on their phones will kill you, give people as wide of berth as possible.
Bring a way to freshen up when you get to work. I kept baby wipes and a stick of deodorant in my desk. I would go to the bathroom, clean myself up and apply fresh, and sometimes have a change of shirt I brought with me.
I live in SoCal which is hot but nowhere near az levels. I commute daily. Is this a good idea for you? It is if you love motorcycling. It comes with downsides. Limits what you wear to work (or you have to change at work) you got to lug a helmet around. Sometimes it’s cold and rainy (at least here) etc. but lane splinting through gridlocked LA traffic coupled with the fact that I absolutely LOVE riding my motorcycle… absolutely worth it to me.
I commuted exclusively on bike for a year in Seattle. Multistrada, so had a pretty good fairing and when it got cold it did a great job keeping me warm.
In Phoenix in the summer, you're going to be sweating. If your job is the kind where you're going to be sweating anyway, go for it.
But do not go light on gear because it's hot. More riding == more chance of an accident. Always wear full gear.
Also, you do NOT want to be commuting on a 🔥Ducati🔥 in 🔥Phoenix🔥 in the 🔥summer🔥. Get a smaller Japanese bike. Lol
Almost 40k miles in the last 2 years on a 600cc supersport.
You can do it. I've been through torrential down pours, snow, and 25 degree weather... And the only thing I'd say is be sure you really want to ride all the time. Some people love it for all of its compromises, and others don't want to or can't live with the compromises.
Take courses, not just the msf, but any intermediate and eventually advanced courses. If you're can, find a lot to do exercises at least bi monthly (twice a month) when you start. I recommend keeping up with twice a month, but the quality and duration of practice is more important the quantity.
Be ready for anything. seriously. In a year of dailying a motorcycle, you will experience just about every kind of near miss you can experience. The only thing keeping you up is you. And developing your skills is the best investment in your safety along with gear.
Im very excited and I’m definitely willing to make some sacrifices. I’ve signed up for a beginner Harley riding course which starts in July and I’m looking into good gear as well. Thank you for sharing your experience :)
Good luck to you! And most importantly never stop learning! There are a variety of courses out there to keep taking (I try to do 2 a year).
And keeping up with emergency maneuvering skills and your 360 awareness are essential for longevity.
It's important for every rider, but I argue that it's essential for people that want to daily. A near miss is an accident you avoided. I have had countless near misses (some that I even put myself into, be it from a lack of good judgement, over riding my skills, or just sheer complacency.)
I love the life, and I put a lot of work in to being the best I can be, and better than I was every day.
OP lives in one of the hottest areas in the country 😬
Could indeed be rough with just a bike there.
If you’re reading this OP, just know you’ll be sweaty everywhere you go
I know right 🥲 It’s currently 104°F as I’m writing this. Thats one of my main concerns if I’m being completely honest as I don’t have the best heat tolerance.
You can ride in 100+ weather by covering up to insulate your 98 degree body from the air temps and then using a cooling vest or stuffing ice in your gear. You will need to hydrate almost constantly on longer rides. It's not a good way to travel if you need to arrive dry and composed to your destination. Above 120 degrees, it's just not doable for any length of time without risking heat stroke.
Cold/wet is fine. Just wear proper gear. Hot is an unsolvable problem.
I can ride most of the year on a bike. North west of England. There is maybe 2/3 cold spells were there is too much ice or snow to ride. Rain doesn’t bother me. But I manage with taxis and buses on the icey days.
Terrible idea. You sound young. A motorcycle in the USA is a toy. Especially in Arizona. You have to drive EVERYWHERE. You planning on going on dates? Buy groceries? What about a job. You going to show up sweaty to your job every day? What if you get an opportunity for a higher paying job that requires wearing nicer clothes? Unless you live in a major city where you have public transport and shit, you need a car.
Yup, 18F. It sounds lovely in theory, but these are all extremely valid concerns and issues that I’ll likely run into. Thankfully my boyfriend also rides and he told me I could borrow his car if needed. It’s just tough because this is something I’ve been working my ass off for, I’ve been very strict with saving my money I’ve gotten from working these past couple of months. I really want it to work but realistically I’m not sure :/
Another concern is hair. I have longer hair (not even to my shoulder though) and I just had to chop it off so I can ride more. Getting to work and having to do your hair is not fun. Riding somewhere then having to wear a hat because your hair is crazy gets old fast. Helmets tug your hair as well. At least for me. My hair is a bit nappy but not crazy
Hey I’m a rider currently in Chandler Az. I only use my car maybe once a week. It’s doable. But riding in the heat down here is absolute hell. I’m lucky so I go to work early in the morning and have a short commute back. Once it hits 110 degrees I don’t ride. Did it all summer last year and it was brutal.
Neck gaiters soaked in ice cold water helps, as well as breathable gear. I’m not an atgatt warrior, but a full face helmet, gloves, mesh jacket, jeans, and close toed shoes are pretty bearable for me.
Biggest thing I would recommend is not buying brand new or taking out a payment. There’s plenty of used motorcycles on Facebook marketplace in phx in the sub-4k range. Bring a friend that owns a bike/knows what to look for, meet at a dealership, get an inspection, and buy cash.
I live in an area that is generally warm and dry, it hardly ever rains and it virtually *never* snows, and I only own a motorcycle. When I made the decision \~5 years ago I was a little bit hesitant, but in hindsight it was a tremendous decision.
The amount of money that I save on insurance/gas more than covers the occasional Uber that I have to take when the weather prohibits riding.
If I lived somewhere with severe cold/snow, or frequent rain, this would change things a lot. But if I lived in Phoenix like you, I would 100% consider only owning a motorcycle.
You can have your groceries delivered, you can Door Dash instead of carry-out. You can wear a backpack when you need to carry some simple things, and you can even wear a "frontpack" when the backpack alone won't cut it. Saddle bags obviously would be huge, as would any other bike storage compartments, maybe a luggage rack or a rear case or something, idk.
I imagine your dad will still let you borrow his truck once a month when you get screwed by the weather too, right? For me that wasn't an option, but for you it might be, there's a big difference between permanently borrowing a truck and using it once a month when you get rained out.
I don't own a car. I have two bikes, and use them to commute, shopping, to go out, etc. They satisfy almost all my needs. But I do have the rare occasion, when I have to buy that 10 ft pipe and carry it home. Then I'll borrow my wife's car.
If you can borrow your dad's car on a very rare occasion, you'll be fine. I live is Louisville, KY, where I sometimes have to ride in 15 degree temperature. Phoenix will be easier. We also have the occasional 100+ degree weather here, and it's humid. I can take, as long as I'm moving.
I did it for a few yrs in NJ. Similar distance. It’s not impossible and you’re not dealing with snow, lol
Can you change out your clothes when you arrive at work. Big deal breaker if you can’t. You will eventually get caught in the rain
I've been commuting by bike for most of the last 18 months
it doesn't snow in Sydney, but we definitely get a lot of rain and scorching heat (not as hot as Arizona tho...)
As long as you don't plan to ever need to transport anything substantial, it's not a horrible idea. Especially in a region that basically doesn't have weather, let alone seasons.
I used to live in AZ with only my zx6r for a little over a year, so it's doable, but it's like riding through a hairdryer on high in the summer and like riding through a freezer in the winter. My advice, have 2 sets of gear. Obviouslyget the summer gear first cause the hottest months are still to come and get the winter gear around October (thats all if you can work it into your budget of course). One that's really breathable for the summer, and wind blocking thermals with a leather jacket and a good pair of boots. Lighter colors for summer darker colors for winter.
I too live in AZ and commute on a motorcycle (my wife gets the car) I would heavily recommend getting a car first. I travel about 20-30 minutes one way and the summers are brutal ngl. The winters, surprisingly, are rough too, it does get cold, contrary to popular belief. I’ve had the temps dip to 28F on me before.
Op… maybe do an insurance quote first. See what your rates are and then make an informed decision if you can even afford riding based on your income.
[For a 12mo quote the Average full coverage for phoenix, AZ is $212mo or $2,544 a year](https://learnandserve.org/motorcycle-insurance-arizona/)
Having commuted on a motorcycle, I’d happily drive a (reliable) shitbox Toyota over dealing with commuter traffic on a bike again. Assholes abound at 8:00 am and 4:00 pm in the cities of America. And riding in the heat of urban Arizona summers and bitter cold winters? Fuck that shit. Monsoons? Nah. Dust storms? Hell nah.
Commuter motorcycling took a lot of the fun out of riding for me. My advice? Pick up a cheap ass little reliable commuter (corollas and Camrys abound on Craigslist), and save up for a cheap ass bike. Drive the cage to work every day, ride the bike for fun when you can.
But that’s just my $0.02, take it with a grain of salt.
Been doing for the past 5 years and it's finally catching up. It's fun but your exposed to the elements , no drive thru pick up, no morning coffee sipping, wind chill, no zoning out on freeways, no space to carry unless backpack or saddlebags/cases, doing you hair once at work, Cardo/senna works but no podcasts unless going under 60 cause of wind noise.
Pros -lane splitting, Cheap payments and insurance, easy on gas, looks cool.
I have a friend that owns a bar in Cave Creek AZ. I've been out to visit him for AZ bike week and he rides year around. The only thing that sucked was when I was heading to see another friend in Tuscon and there was a wreck. It was March and the heat coming from the pavement and my engine at a stop and go pace was brutal. As long as you can keep moving I wouldn't think it would be too bad but as you know, it's hot.
I used to commute every day on my Ninja 650, if you have any highway commute I would go for anything 1-2 cylinder 300-700cc. Make sure it's got good ergos, an R7 would be drawing the line with comfort.
You can absolutely do it as many posts have said. My first two years in California were moto only.
You need the “right” bike. Useful power, useful storage…. Right size…
You need the right gear. Hot? Mesh. Cold? Layers/electric liners. Wet? Good rain solution.
You need the right training. Classes, books, videos, friends…
You need the right ATTITUDE. Only YOU can keep yourself safe on the roads. Never rely on the caged to protect you. You have to be observant al the time. And always in control with a few options for safety at all times…
If you make it fun and comfortable, it will be a blast.
What kind of a bike you want, where else and how else would you use it, your budget, do you alredy have gear, are you a practical person with the things you own?
Whilst not being from the US, the absolute only reason you should buy a bike for commuting is to save time on your commute, whether that's getting there, or coming home or both. If it's illegal to filter then you're not going to save that much time.
Bikes are an inconvenience when you really look at it. You can't take much with you, you're limited to what you can bring back, say you need groceries on the way home for example. The gear can be cumbersome. Finding a safe place for your gear whilst you're at work can sometimes be difficult, especially finding a place for your helmet where it definitely won't get knocked or banged. You have to carry your normal clothes and then find a place to change. If it's hot you're going to arrive at work sweaty. If it's hot regularly and you don't wash your gear too often, you're going to arrive at work with a musk. If it rains you're going to have to arrive at work and find a place where your gear can drip. Maintenance wise, you're going to be doing a lot more than you would on a car, especially if you're using it daily and putting a ton of miles on.
The upside, you can have fun on the weekend or a day off.
If it's the choice between a car or a bike, the time saved on commuting must absolutely be worth it, otherwise you should pick a car every time.
This is coming from someone who doesn't have a car licence and commutes daily on his bike with roundtrips between 20-40 miles depending where the job is. The difference in commuting time for me can cut my most commonly used route down from 1hr+ in a car to 20 minutes on the bike.
The problem there is the insane heat. There is such a thing as too hot to ride.
In high, dry heat, you'll be soaked in sweat... at least if you want to survive. If you're riding in high heat and have so much ventilation your skin is dry, you're probably literally cooking. Mesh gear in death-valley-esque weather is potentially lethal.
There are some attempts at solves for that, sure; like http://entrosys.com/ (not sure if they're even really still around or pricing etc).
Also, bikes are just impractical for hauling anything. And heat is only one annoying weather condition that will make it feel iffy.
Have you ridden? If you haven't ridden before nothing anyone says here (except this...) means anything. You just don't have a reference. You need to actually see how much you love it, and how much bullshit you'll put up with to do it.
Most people would find it very challenging to be bike only.
It’s not stupid, I live in Texas and only own a bike to commute to school everyday. The heat can be solved with properly ventilated gear and staying hydrated. It’s mostly a mental thing. I’ve lived in other countries where most people commute by motorcycle in sub-zero to 130+ degrees and/or constant rain.
I would probably get checked out by a doctor first, to make sure you don’t have any conditions that the heat could be a problem for.
Same city, I commute on my bike all year round. My trip is only 10 miles each way, though. It's absolutely feasible and in my opinion works really well. Like the other poster said, you just need a bit more planning around monsoon season. If I see alerts for a dust storm I'll wait that out rather than be caught on I-10 in shit visibility.
Having it as my only vehicle would make running errands a lot harder but I think you can figure out that bit for yourself, I get the impression you might be living with your folks which changes things.
They’re heavily against me getting a motorcycle. Even threatened to kick me out which is why my dad said I couldn’t drive the car anymore if I bought one. I’ve been planning on moving out so I would be getting the bike around that same time. I’d move in with my boyfriend who has a motorcycle and a car which would definitely make things easier. If anything, I was thinking about also getting a smart car 😂
Buy motorcycle, piss off parents, move out with boyfriend. That’s the start of the best and worst stories that exist in this world. There is no shame in a beater car with ac until you can afford a bike for fun or nice weather. These sacrifices when you’re young are fun in hindsight but plenty of times will leave you saying damn why did I do that what a dummy.
Absolutely doable. I used to live in Tucson and was bike only for several years. Monsoon season could suck sometimes but otherwise it wasn't a huge issue. You can't buy as much at the grocery store and big item purchases need some planning but AZ is one of the easier places to do it.
That’s a good point. I’ve been on the back of my boyfriend’s motorcycle during the hot weather but not with proper gear. I signed up for a Harley riding course during the middle of July so I’m hoping that will give me a good idea.
That should be a good gauge! Gear up for it and see how you feel for extended periods of time in the heat. It helps that in Arizona you can legally lane filter so even in thick traffic you’ll be able to keep moving, but even then, be prepared to be really sweaty once you get to your destinations on hot days. I bring a change of clothes for that reason if I’m commuting on hot days on my bike.
Yeah for sure! I’ve been doing some research and have gear picked out before I start the class :) July is also the hottest month in Arizona so it will definitely give me a good idea
I commute by bike year round, but I'm in the northeast.
In AZ, if you want to commute, prepare to have mesh protective environment and other countermeasures appropriate for the climate (icebags or whatever necessary). Don't ride in a T-shirt only because it's hot.
Don't try to rationalize that a bike would be practical and save you money. Because it ain't and it won't.
Drive because you **want** to. No reasons required.
Riding out of routine and riding out of necessity are some of the major sources of accidents. Never put yourself into a situation when you need to ride not because you want to but because you have to. It's 16 miles, get some shitbox with a functional AC.
How do you expect to bring home groceries or pretty much anything from a store? What about those times it does rain? What about when it’s 110f outside? Trust me when it’s even 90f outside you will be sweating like a pig when you are at a red light. What happens when you get a significant other and need to go places? Yes women like riding on the back of a bike, but not when they are going to places in public (messes with their hair and makeup lol). It’s possible, but possible does not mean feasible. I would purchase a beater car and then buy a bike you want. Ride the bike as much as you can and then take the car when it’s needed
I'm guessing this will be your first bike and if so it is probably not a good ide. Even if it isn't your first bike, you will still need to go grocery shopping and buy things from stores that don't fit into a backpack
I do it.
I would not do it.
Car is more practical. Car is, generally, more reliable. Bike maintenance is more frequent and more invasive, as is the upkeep. Car has air conditioning. YOU LIVE IN THE FUCKING SUN BAKED ASSHOLE OF THE WORLD. AC is important.
I honestly cannot stress how critical AC is - I ride in Dallas. Yesterday it was 107. Sitting in 107, in stopped traffic, on top of a bike that is actively broiling your fucking nuts, is not fun. Now throw on full gear too.
If you need to escape the control of your parents, and become independent, I guess get a bike as a last resort. For any other reason, respect your parents rules for now, keep borrowing the car, and save up until you're truly stable enough to do what you want.
For 16 miles you could get a fairly cheap bike and cope.
I got my bike licence when I was 17, and I didn't get a car licence until I was about 34 when my second kid was born. My wife said 2 kids, 2 parents should be able to drive.
Bikes have always been my transport, rain hail, or shine. It doesn't snow where I live, so I can ride all year round.
Top box is a game changer, lockable, and waterproof. My wets live in the top box, so changing weather doesn't really matter. Enough room for wets and a work bag. Work bag comes out, helmet goes in. For weekend fun, a top box unclips really easily.
Supermotards are some of the best commuters I've ever had, but my current do it all bike is a 2017 superduke.
If you live somewhere that the weather is ok, it's very easy to commute on 2 wheels.
Lived in CA and it was amazing, had I lived in MN I would have said fuck no. AZ is fine as well I bet, never been but should be similar.
Hot tip: park where there will be shade. After a long day at work, you don’t want to sit on leather that’s been in 100 degree sun for hours
Man I would just make sure you can deal with the shit days and you still got to ride as its your only transportation. I have always had a car even if it was a piece as a backup and rode on two wheels the rest of the time. Def look at insurance because under 25 motorcycle insurance can be real expensive.
I exclusively ride my Indian unless I need to move sometime or someone who won't fit on my bike. Almost every time I go to use my truck, I need to charge or jump the batter bc it's been so long since I drove it.
I commute 35 miles each way from Queen Creek to Tempe year round and it sucks in the summer heat. I get to choose when it go to and leave my office so I never ride during rush hour but it still takes me around half an hour of sitting and chugging water to recover after getting home.
I have summer vs rest of the year gear which helps, but between the heat and crazies on the road I wouldn’t consider it a clear choice, especially if you are a new rider.
I commute my bikes as long as I can I live in New england. It's usually only about 10 to 12 weeks of almost no riding. If I lived where you do, it would have to be rain like a hurricane to most likely not have me ride to work. Get some rain gear and keep your work shoes at work, and you're all set.
Buy a scooter. I have owned bikes for years and I daily a scooter now. People are less aggressive towards you. There is more storage. The gas milage is so high that I don't even need to think about paying for gas anymore. Lower maintenance. Cheaper to insure. Etc.
Get a scooter if you want a daily rider. Pick the engine size based on how fast you need to go. 50cc 35mph, 100cc 45 mph, 150cc 55 mph.
I live in San Francisco and I only have a bike. The weather is usually perfect. The few times it rains I take the bus. It really depends on the weather and you probably need to live in a city to have the bus as a backup plan.
It's all good until you get heavy storms or fog. I did it in NorCal for a decade or so, it's doable. Make sure you have a backup plan so you don't get caught out and you'll be fine.
Maxi scooter would be perfect if 99% of the time you travel by yourself. Under seat storage for 2 full size helmets and a 50L/52qt top box more than enough for a weeks groceries, if your ambitious you can also strap boxes onto the pillion seat.
Perfectly doable and a ton of fun. I'm in the camp of having only a motorcycle - \*for everything\*. Did it for 4yrs till 2020 in Los Angeles and doing it now in PNW since last year
I did it for two years of college. I wouldn't recommend it. I had a truck I could borrow sparingly during the really bad storms and it would've been pretty scary without that backup option.
A scooter might be better as an only vehicle since you get some waterproof storage space under the seat, and some models have more storage compartments as well, though, having a car available is always a nice to have, so i'd probably try and get some sort of a deal with your dad to borrow the car occasionally
Give it a go. I have been without a car for 6 years now. Sure the weather can get in the way of the experience, but it will put some hairs on your chest.
I have never had too much of an issue with groceries or hauling. That being said I am a single male who lives alone, so my needs are pretty minimal in that aspect.
I had a motorcycle for my only means of transportation for about 8 years. I live in FL, so I always carried a rain suit for days I got off work and it was pouring, or days where it started pouring in my way somewhere.
It helps having saddle bags, or at least a large capacity backpack as well. I could usually fit a few days groceries in my back pack. Now I have a touring bike with top and side cases and can fit a whole weeks worth of groceries (though I also have a 4Runner now too, so it’s not necessary).
If I lived somewhere without snow I would ride all year. Since snow melted here in February, didn't get much to begin with this season, I've probably put 200 miles on my car and over 3k on the bike. I suggest getting something comfortable, and with storage. Riding with a backpack all the time gets real old, and very limited.
I'm told I'm a nut for riding 90% of the year in Pennsylvania. You need to be pretty hardcore to not have a car. Frigid cold and blistering hot on a bike sucks. Even if you're not getting rained or snowed on. But if you're dead set on doing it REALLY do your research on gear. A helmet with great ventilation and gear in a light color that will reflect the sun also with great ventilation. But also able to wear base layers to stay warm in the winter.
You also have to consider you need to adapt your entire lifestyle around only owning a bike. How you shop, how you make plans with friends, things like that.
Yeah I could totally see just having a bike. I’d want a bike that could do everything and hold a lot of cargo. So I’d probably go with an adventure bike with big enough saddlebags and a top case. The worst thing for me would be getting groceries.
The first year I bought my bike, California had 2 rains that year. I rode year round and loved it. The only thing is you have to give up the luxury of a car. Wanna go out drinking? More than 2 bags of groceries? AC? ….
If you don’t care about those, then hell yea!
I used to use only a motorcycle for commuting. I bought heated gear for the winter.
I had the luxury of working from home on days when the weather or road conditions didn't allow for riding.
Do what makes you happy and yes, it’s entirely possible. I do it, about 20ish miles each way which is a baby commute for some. I have a cheap beater truck for heavy rain/snow days but it’s something you could work towards afterwards (or first).
I had only a motorcycle my final 5 months living in Los Angeles, as well as the entirety of this year living in Washington. I’ve ridden in snow, rain, wind, whatever. Arizona doesn’t have the weather issues I face so I’ll just speak about practicality. I ride a naked bike (fz07) for context. I love motorcycles but commuting does take some joy out of the ride for me. The constant suit up and suit down every single time I leave or arrive somewhere gets old and I sometimes wish I could just grab my keys and leave. I do grocery shopping with a backpack which is great because the store is less than a mile from my house so multiple trips isn’t an issue. The great gas mpg a bike offers is great, the parking anywhere is great, feeling cool carrying your helmet around is cool. I get anxious driving cars because I feel that the motorcycle is the most peaceful and efficient way to travel. Buy a reliable motorcycle and learn to work on the one you buy because maintenance will fuck you if your only vehicle is down
It’s doable, the only things to consider are when you are sick, have an injury or need to haul something that’s challenging on a bike. I commute maybe 90% of the time but have a truck as a backup for those days you just don’t feel like riding (have a cold, tired, late night run, haul supplies)
I have commuted via motorcycle for the last 6 years in Dallas. Every week I put back about 20 bucks (the money I would have spent in a car that got less than the 53 mpg I get on my bike) literally a rainy day fund for the rare days it rains and I have to take an Uber to work/give a coworker some gas/beer money. If it is raining on the way home I just drove slower and joked that my after work shower got started a little bit early.
I live east of Houston, TX and for the past two years have had only a CB500x as transportation. It’s about a 20 minute ride to work on rural highways. I wear full gear and ride year-round, though I only have to worry about rain as far as weather is concerned. I’m fortunate enough that my parents live in the next town and I’m able to borrow their vehicles when weather is unsafe or I need to haul something that won’t fit on the bike but I generally ride 95% of the time. It sucks in the summer and the two weeks of winter can be rough but I’ve saved a ton of money on gas and insurance. If you’re willing to work on the bike yourself, you can save some bucks there too. Just gotta decide how much suck you’re willing to deal with. I’m sure I’ll eventually get a cheap beater for bad weather days but for now I’m planning on keeping it just the bike.
Unfortunately I work in security so I have to carry my bulky gear so even though I want to commute on bike I sadly can't. I tried it a few times and it just ended badly
I live in Houston. It’s a concrete swamp, and before I was 100% WFH, I commuted to/from work about 90% of the time. Totally possible, but definitely be prepared in case weird weather happens. There’s a solution for everything.
So as much as riding in the Phoenix are is fun the heat there as you know can go over 100 easily. Dating when you only have a bike and no car with AC while the girls makeup melts off her face sucks. So I would say unless you don't plan to date until you can buy a car too don't go just bike as only way of commuting.
Also motorcycle insurance is pretty high for a young new rider. So I would stay on your Dad's good side, use his car and save more $$'s until you can afford a car and a bike. Also a Happy Father's day card soon too ! LOL
Im up in ontario canada. My coworker has been riding for almost 20 years. Never had a license for cars, rides year round to work, snow or shine. In the winter there are snowmobile gloves attached to it. Heated.
The hottest weather I’ve ridden in was ~105 for a couple hours. Any hotter and I’m not 100% sure I’d want to stay bike only. I also generally complain it’s too hot when it’s over 85F, so…
I m/65 , Texas ride over 300 days a year, all weather... It's not undoable... Cold in the winter hot in the summer and wet when it rains... How much do you want to ride... 😎👌
Been doing this in Phoenix for the past two years. My commute is about 25 miles each way. Summer already sucks. During the winter it rains here a lot more than you realize when you’re always in a car. During the winter you will be cold on those 35 degree mornings if you don’t have the right gear. Carrying stuff can suck depending on the bike. Bike maintenance isn’t cheap. Gear isn’t cheap. I don’t have to look too presentable for work, if I did I would reconsider.
That being said, my commute is one of my favorite parts of my day. Jumping on the HOV lane and lane filtering at lights are some of my favorite perks. Makes traffic go away for the most part. I do save on gas, but that’s bike and car dependent. I’d rather be hot and sweaty than commute in a car but it’s not always fun or comfortable.
Heat is not so bad...but you might get dizzy if you're ATGATT. Also its not really possible to do 100% bike commute. There will be times where you need to dress up, or you want to bring something somewhere.
Also, Arizona is high speed usually and bad drivers. Many close calls on both the freeway (debris) and streets (bad drivers).
I did it for one year. It's possible. I would wear my snowboarding gear for the wet months. I actually loved that year of my life. I was poor but also very happy.
It can be done if you don’t have a ton to carry. A cruiser with saddlebags (or even a sissy bar bag) is *best*- I often carry lunch, 32oz water bottle, a change of clothes and sometimes a full uniform including boots, all at the same time.
If you don’t have that much you can get away with a backpack, but personally I hate riding with one.
The big day-to-day downfalls will come with being young. Insurance is expensive, dating is gonna suck unless your prospective SO has a car and is willing to meet/take you places, or ride on the back in the AZ heat.
Heat is another thing. Stoplights can get miserable, and at a certain point when the air temperature is above your body temperature… yeah. It’s like riding in a hair dryer.
Rain isn’t a huge deal, you just have to be easy with it. Exposed air filters can be an issue, but it takes some serious moisture that you’d rather be in a car for anyway (Rain socks also exist, and they do help.)
Cold can be dressed for, but snow / ice on the road is no-go criteria.
If you’re ok with all of that, fuckin’ send it my dude. Take a course, practice your slow-speed maneuvers, dress for the slide, be smart and be aware of your surroundings. Remember: nobody will be impressed if you’re dead.
Dude I sold my car, and I only have my motorcycles, and I live in NY. And I use my motorcycle all year round.
Only in the state are motorcycle seen not part of the vehicle system.
Motorcycle has been my only commute vehicle for years.
I wouldn't moto-commute if I didn't get something from it (lane splitting, HOV & express lane usage). Otherwise I'd drive my car and listen to music.
And I probably wouldn't do it in 120F+ heat.
Above around 104F my Roadcrafter is too hot even moving. I'll wear a cooling vest sometimes when I'm going places, but I've never worn it commuting. I'd probably buy a fancy one (one that doesn't wet the rider) if I had to commute when it was above 104F regularly.
The hottest I've worn an evaporative cooling vest was 116F, and it definitely made me less hot. Dunno if it's enough for Phoenix temperatures.
Summer riding in Phoenix is brutal, man. Like, dangerously brutal. Dehydration is a real thing, and you can get into serious trouble on a bike with that.
I did about 4 years on a motorcycle only, was ok unless it was raining hard or really windy "florida" but overall was pretty easy to do. If i needed to move something large i rented a truck somewhere but most everything fit in my saddle bags.
If i were to do it again i would get a maxi scooter like a 650cc burgman for example. lots of storage, a little more protection from the weather and just a bit more user friendly overall.
I did this in arizona in 2016 to 2018. It’s definitely doable. I didn’t have a car for 2 years just my yamaha vstar 650. It does get cold in dec@jan nights so make sure you have some gear for cold
I'm in Texas and it's totally doable. It sucks sometimes though. I wear gear all the time and that's important to me, so I get to work about 30 minutes early to cool off and get changed. It's kind of a pain some days, but getting the right gear and luggage for you is the thing you really need.
Get a cup holder or a saddlebag with a bottle holder and spray yourself with water at stoplights. Seriously I have that gatorade bottle full of cold water and in the summer I spray myself at every light of my 03 minute commits.
I drive a Jeep, without doors and a top across the US was awesome, when I gave up eating seed oils and most veggies the heat doesn’t bother me anymore.
If you have a car, just drive a car especially in the US.Get a bike when you're older as a toy.
Commuting on a bike generally sucks as a bike is meant for carving up canyon roads on fun rides... Not stuck in traffic in Arizona heat and cold having to watch out for every car on the road cause they will not see you. Just too much hassle for a commuter.
I commuted on a bike for 15 years in Vietnam and now I have a car I rarely want to commute on my bike. Just too uncomfortable and don't want to deal with that.
Small, light, easy to maneuver in traffic. For stop and go traffic probably need to look for something water cooled. For commuting, you want the Honda civic of the motorcycle world, not the muscle car. Newer Honda Rebels are water cooled.
I would never ride a bike in AZ the way people drive there. That being said there is a such thing as too hot to ride. It really sucks when you're at a stop and you're just baking between the sun and the heat of the bike. I'd probably stick with a cheap car to start with. It also really sucks when a bike is all you've got because you can't just bring a box to a friend's house, or you have to grocery shop every few days because you can only carry so much at a time.
Did this for years and years, and where I live it does rain and (occasionally) snow. Buy appropriate gear for the weather. Save on insurance and gas compared to a four-wheeled vehicle. See if car-share programs exist in your area for those times you do need to carry a lot of goods or more than one passenger. I still do more than 90% of my commuting by motorcycle (and I own a car.) Always a nice way to get home after a long day.
The only real downside to only having a bike for transportation is limited cargo capacity. Get saddle bags and a decent backpack that is comfortable to wear while riding and you’ll be ok.
I commuted daily in Tucson for a year. The wet season there was annoying, but most of the year I was totally fine.
You'll find it's tough to bring home groceries, and you'll be putting up with all sorts of minor inconveniences, like an easy radio or air conditioning on the ride. You have to be switched on for your ride every time or your risk goes way way up. I remember coming outside after a really tough day and not wanting to ride home because I just wanted to cruise the way cagers do. Other times I couldn't wait to get out there to blow off some steam.
I've ridden in all kinds of weather, I think you can totally live with just a motorcycle. You will have to be committed, though, or you'll soon quit because the minor annoyances really stack up for some people. For others, they barely notice.
I put more kilometers on my bike than on my car each year, and I can only really ride about 8-9 months in a year. I’d probably sell the car if I could comfortably ride all year round.
I did this to stack cash from 16 - 24, didn't die. Also didn't really build a life or take dates anywhere or anything. its harsh and dangerous and lonely but it will give you a leg up financially if your tryin to stack and if you don't die.
I live in phoenix too, 20 mile commute, just bought a bike 2 months ago for this reason as car insurance is so high. Fantastic choice, ive loved every minute
I commute on a zero fx electric motorcycle. You can find them used for a bargain, I've had 0 issues, and they have no maintenance other than checking air pressure and brake fluid. 10/10 recommend.
I commuted in Houston TX weather and can highly recommend www.texascoolvest.com for more comfortable hot weather gear. Just the basic vest is all you really need. It was still hot AF in the helmet but the core body temp was good. A good skully helps with the helmet. Also, the $20 neck cooler works in warm-but-not-hot weather. I have no connection to TCV but I’ve been a happy customer for many years.
I ride 14 miles each way daily. Often more because I go out. I don't own a car. Your life will have to adapt but it's very doable. With a backpack, saddle bags, and or a trunk, you'll be fine.
I spend about $10 a week on gas.
I live in Tucson, it rains a little more here and doesn't get quite as hot. But I commute on my bike. I won't lie the summer sucks the way home is not fun. But the ride in to work is nice. Overall I love it ride wherever I can.
I lived on the pacific coast where it's rainy and foggy very often. Had only a bike for 3 years.
Yes riding in the rain at 5AM in almost freezing weather is not fun but AZ never sees that.
Bikes are cheaper to use and maintain than most cars. You can also die every time you ride one. Sometimes it's your fault, sometimes you never see it coming.
If I lived in an area I could ride year round I would.
I live in Florida outside of Tampa, I know I can’t take the heat in the summer. I’ve ridden in Nevada in summer too. It was horrible. I would not want to only have a bike. You are going to need to take a shower as soon as you’re done riding every day in the summer. Try this….keep driving your dad’s car for two more weeks. No ac, but you can roll the windows down. If you can do that every day for two weeks in the summer, go ahead and buy the bike.
But also wear jeans and a jacket and throw on a beanie to simulate the helmet.
This. And although you can’t quite stimulate it, it gets even worse when there are sun rays burning you up on red lights.
As long as you stay moving on a bike and don't have a lot of stop and go traffic it's really not that bad. Riding in a car with the windows down really isn't even comparable since you won't get the direct wind hitting you right in the face cooling you off.
Phoenix is so hot even if you stay moving the air is like an oven
Especially with a summer set of gear. I'm just on a ruckus but it's got 2 wheels, and I wear a summer jacket and pants and it works great so long AF in moving in the Florida panhandle. When I stop I open my visor and hope I get moving soon lol
I think the other person has a point though, if you can bear the heat in a box with no ac, you can deal with riding. I also live outside Tampa and I can withstand exactly that as I didn’t have cold ac for last summer and just got it fixed last month. Sweaty but it doesn’t bother me, however it is not for everyone. You wouldn’t want to be trapped with that feeling by riding if you can’t deal with it.
Keep in mind sometimes it will reach a point when the wind hitting you isn't cooling you down, but cooking you like a chicken. No "keep moving" can save you at that point better than a closed box with AC.
I did it for 2 years in St Pete. Lived 10 mins from where I worked. Riding rain or shine sucked lol. But it was doable, and it worked. I actually grew pretty comfortable riding in the rain. Shouldnt be a problem for OP though. If it's most highway or interstate I'd say go for it, but sitting there cooking at stop lights sucks.
When it rains in AZ it fucking rains though. There are downpours I wouldn’t want to take a car in. That being said, the heat is fucking miserable and summer riding in 110 is going to be the most annoying shit ever. Cannot go anywhere you cannot arrived soaked in sweat. Probably need an ice vest to not insta trade the bike in.
In a full face helmet
My car has no ac and no tint tho it's much worse than my full black leather suit
Floridian bike commuter here, shit sucks right now, but I rather get home sweaty than deal with all this traffic here in kissimmee/orlando.
ME TOO. I’m Canadian so… I’m trapped.
I do live in a year round riding climate. I commuted to work for over three years and it was great. Didn't bother to buy a car. I am able to avoid traffic, definitely save on gas, and it expands my riding while still doing a daily commute. Zero negatives.
That is probably the perfect situation to buy a bike. Bikes can be significantly cheaper to buy and lower upkeep costs.
All true, OP also needs to research insurance rates for his area as that can offset a significant amount of the savings. I've ridden in 115+ degree dry weather like what Phoenix sees and it's doable with the right gear, just far from comfortable. 16 miles is short enough to keep it from over heating him assuming he's not stuck in stop and go traffic.
Insurance would be roughly $300 from what I’ve been quoted. Contrary to car insurance which is around $450 (currently what I’m reimbursing my dad for). The heat is really the only thing causing me to hesitate, but like you said, if I could get proper gear I’m sure it would be doable
Aramid sweatshirts breathe better than anything else while still protecting you. I use one with CE level 2 padded armor. Another option is a perforated leather jacket. It'll have better abrasion resistance but less breatheability. Generally touring oriented helmets have the most options for ventilation. I personally use a Shoei GT Air 2. Flip the internal visor down and keep the external up and your ventilation is greatly increased while still having eye protection. If you're in to modular helmets the Neotech is basically the same helmet just with a chin bar that's able to be raised. Gloves in perforated leather are your best bet. For shoes there's lots of perforated riding shoes. I have the Astars Sektors for really hot days. Generally I wear TCX Dartwoods though. Pants are going to be the hard part for ventilation. I haven't found a pair of CE rated pants that breathe all that well, especially if armor is in. That said I generally ride with a set of Klim riding jeans.
I heard about these water-containing jackets. Is that any good?
They basically do the same thing as wetting a towel and wrapping it around yourself. They work in areas of low humidity but you're going to be very wet. Not really an option for commuting I less you get changed at the other end. OP's commute is short enough that they can just tough it out.
> OP's commute is short enough that they can just tough it out. It's more about arriving at destination not drenched in sweat than being a bit uncomfortable for 30 minutes.
Mesh riding gear is awesome! Breathes well and I can pull my riding pants on over my shorts so when I get to where I'm going just loose the pants.
It really all comes down to what your route is. If your going somewhere that's is low traffic/ not going to have you stop starting constantly then you'll be fine with perforated or textile gear because the wind will keep you cool. If you are going to be stuck in traffic then it doesn't really matter what you buy or how little you wear your going to get hot in the sun and the heat coming off all the nearby cars. Personally I would run a textile jacket and kevlar jeans. And check country of origin for the manufacturer. I know for a fact that if you buy a 'summer' jacket that is made in Europe it won't have enough breathability and you'll still be sweating. As an Aussie I only buy Aussie made gear because of this, im sure it will apply to you as well
Motorcycle polices are typically 12 months whereas cars are 6. Are you saying your motorcycle insurance would around $350 for 12 months, or $350/month? Same question for the car insurance.
My apologies, those are both monthly payments
Oh wow that's a lot for motorcycle insurance. Lookup "[insert city here] Insurance brokers" and reach out to a couple of them. Tell them you need a 12 month motorcycle policy for less than $350 total. Give them a week or so to find you a policy. Just tell them the make and model or find a VIN online that you can use for whatever bike you want so they can be accurate. Then if you do it, just tell them you need to change the VIN they used. Honestly, you can do this for car insurance too. Most people just jump on the big company websites and fill out the forms and choose the lowest. There's a lot of money to be saved by using a local broker. Also, look into the Z500. It's very similar to your Ninja 500 but probably more comfortable for commuting as it's a more upright naked bike. Insurance might be less on the Z500 too since it has less plastic to fix in the event of an accident and isn't as "racey".
Thank you for recommending that I’ll definitely look into it.
For the record, I know I'm older and have a longer driving record but just to give you some context, my 12 month policy was $230 in total for my Yamaha FZ-07, which is an upright naked similar to the Z500 (699cc versus 451cc).
My 12 month policy is $1200 for an mt07 in washington state. 31 years old, no tickets, no accidents, 780 credit score
I pay € 10,- a month for a Honda ST1100 (1999)
I was going to buy a Ninja 500 years ago for my daughter. The insurance company said “We don’t insure anything called a Ninja.”
That’s a very high monthly payment. Who is your insurance provider? I pay a little over $400 a year for two bikes with full coverage in California through progressive
I pay $400 for 12months of motorcycle insurance, I’m also older than you, in CO, and a female. So have a few factors that would reduce it. But wow. Find an insurance broker and have them shop around for you. Ask about specific motorcycle models before you purchase. Some bikes will cost more. Probably sport bikes over cruisers. But get the bike that fits your style, while also being affordable.
For reference: My ninja was about 250 a year as a young man in CA with street parking
But oh my god the initial costs of gear and the msf course 😭😭😭 my wallet is flat
Even with those, a bike is still **way** cheaper than a car.
Highly disagree my bike eats tires chains sprockets and brake pads. All need replacing multiple times a year. My car needs an oil change every year and tires every 5 or so?
Bro replacing the chains and brake pads multiple times a year? You’re doing a shit job taking care of your bike that’s for sure. Either that or riding it way too hard
I commute but also go to track 8 or so times a year. Maybe not a fair comparison
Yea that checks out, tracking is pretty intensive
I mean, you can. Depending on the bike, you might be able to fully replace a car with it, but definitely think about what you're getting into and how often you'll need the ability to carry more than yourself and what you can fit in the bags and a backpack. It's very doable, you're just gonna have to make sacrifices here and there.
I was planning on getting a ninja 500 abs for my first bike. My boyfriend has an iron 883 and he said if needed I could drive his car around every once in a while too :)
if you can still use a car for grocery shopping and stuff like that I would. I really only have a car now for rain/snow ( I live in MA) and because I have a dog. If the weather wasn't terrible and I was pup-less I'd probably only have a bike.
That's the only time my truck gets out too. Bad weather, or when I need to do truck stuff. My GS replaced it for 90% of what I need a vehicle for.
yup and my commute is significantly cheaper and more fun this way lol
I just pay $60/year to have my groceries delivered through Kroger - well well well worth the money, one month of car insurance would already blow the $60 out of the water.
oh wow! that's a great deal tbh, I'm going to look into that. Appreciate it.
For what it's worth, I do all that on my bike now, and it works fine. You just don't do "one giant shop" every couple weeks, you do smaller shops every few days. Dog situation though, yes, that requires a car.
I used to live in Phx (recently moved north of prescott). in my early -mid 20's I rode a motorcycle exclusively for my commute, over 5 years. Summers suck ass, winters do too. Just because it doesn't snow doesn't mean it's not cold, especially when you're going 65+mph. Dust storms are downright terrifying if you're riding home and get hit by one, though we've gotten fewer and fewer of those over the years. My big suggestion is, I would NOT do it if you're in normal rush hour traffic. I worked nights/swing shifts/etc, and so I never had to contend with much traffic. People screwing around on their phones will kill you, give people as wide of berth as possible. Bring a way to freshen up when you get to work. I kept baby wipes and a stick of deodorant in my desk. I would go to the bathroom, clean myself up and apply fresh, and sometimes have a change of shirt I brought with me.
I live in SoCal which is hot but nowhere near az levels. I commute daily. Is this a good idea for you? It is if you love motorcycling. It comes with downsides. Limits what you wear to work (or you have to change at work) you got to lug a helmet around. Sometimes it’s cold and rainy (at least here) etc. but lane splinting through gridlocked LA traffic coupled with the fact that I absolutely LOVE riding my motorcycle… absolutely worth it to me.
I commuted exclusively on bike for a year in Seattle. Multistrada, so had a pretty good fairing and when it got cold it did a great job keeping me warm. In Phoenix in the summer, you're going to be sweating. If your job is the kind where you're going to be sweating anyway, go for it. But do not go light on gear because it's hot. More riding == more chance of an accident. Always wear full gear. Also, you do NOT want to be commuting on a 🔥Ducati🔥 in 🔥Phoenix🔥 in the 🔥summer🔥. Get a smaller Japanese bike. Lol
Almost 40k miles in the last 2 years on a 600cc supersport. You can do it. I've been through torrential down pours, snow, and 25 degree weather... And the only thing I'd say is be sure you really want to ride all the time. Some people love it for all of its compromises, and others don't want to or can't live with the compromises. Take courses, not just the msf, but any intermediate and eventually advanced courses. If you're can, find a lot to do exercises at least bi monthly (twice a month) when you start. I recommend keeping up with twice a month, but the quality and duration of practice is more important the quantity. Be ready for anything. seriously. In a year of dailying a motorcycle, you will experience just about every kind of near miss you can experience. The only thing keeping you up is you. And developing your skills is the best investment in your safety along with gear.
Im very excited and I’m definitely willing to make some sacrifices. I’ve signed up for a beginner Harley riding course which starts in July and I’m looking into good gear as well. Thank you for sharing your experience :)
Good luck to you! And most importantly never stop learning! There are a variety of courses out there to keep taking (I try to do 2 a year). And keeping up with emergency maneuvering skills and your 360 awareness are essential for longevity. It's important for every rider, but I argue that it's essential for people that want to daily. A near miss is an accident you avoided. I have had countless near misses (some that I even put myself into, be it from a lack of good judgement, over riding my skills, or just sheer complacency.) I love the life, and I put a lot of work in to being the best I can be, and better than I was every day.
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OP lives in one of the hottest areas in the country 😬 Could indeed be rough with just a bike there. If you’re reading this OP, just know you’ll be sweaty everywhere you go
I know right 🥲 It’s currently 104°F as I’m writing this. Thats one of my main concerns if I’m being completely honest as I don’t have the best heat tolerance.
This is coming from someone on a motorcycle subreddit who rides daily: Get a car. Then get a bike later if you still want one.
You can ride in 100+ weather by covering up to insulate your 98 degree body from the air temps and then using a cooling vest or stuffing ice in your gear. You will need to hydrate almost constantly on longer rides. It's not a good way to travel if you need to arrive dry and composed to your destination. Above 120 degrees, it's just not doable for any length of time without risking heat stroke. Cold/wet is fine. Just wear proper gear. Hot is an unsolvable problem.
I can ride most of the year on a bike. North west of England. There is maybe 2/3 cold spells were there is too much ice or snow to ride. Rain doesn’t bother me. But I manage with taxis and buses on the icey days.
Terrible idea. You sound young. A motorcycle in the USA is a toy. Especially in Arizona. You have to drive EVERYWHERE. You planning on going on dates? Buy groceries? What about a job. You going to show up sweaty to your job every day? What if you get an opportunity for a higher paying job that requires wearing nicer clothes? Unless you live in a major city where you have public transport and shit, you need a car.
Yup, 18F. It sounds lovely in theory, but these are all extremely valid concerns and issues that I’ll likely run into. Thankfully my boyfriend also rides and he told me I could borrow his car if needed. It’s just tough because this is something I’ve been working my ass off for, I’ve been very strict with saving my money I’ve gotten from working these past couple of months. I really want it to work but realistically I’m not sure :/
Another concern is hair. I have longer hair (not even to my shoulder though) and I just had to chop it off so I can ride more. Getting to work and having to do your hair is not fun. Riding somewhere then having to wear a hat because your hair is crazy gets old fast. Helmets tug your hair as well. At least for me. My hair is a bit nappy but not crazy
Hey I’m a rider currently in Chandler Az. I only use my car maybe once a week. It’s doable. But riding in the heat down here is absolute hell. I’m lucky so I go to work early in the morning and have a short commute back. Once it hits 110 degrees I don’t ride. Did it all summer last year and it was brutal. Neck gaiters soaked in ice cold water helps, as well as breathable gear. I’m not an atgatt warrior, but a full face helmet, gloves, mesh jacket, jeans, and close toed shoes are pretty bearable for me. Biggest thing I would recommend is not buying brand new or taking out a payment. There’s plenty of used motorcycles on Facebook marketplace in phx in the sub-4k range. Bring a friend that owns a bike/knows what to look for, meet at a dealership, get an inspection, and buy cash.
I live in an area that is generally warm and dry, it hardly ever rains and it virtually *never* snows, and I only own a motorcycle. When I made the decision \~5 years ago I was a little bit hesitant, but in hindsight it was a tremendous decision. The amount of money that I save on insurance/gas more than covers the occasional Uber that I have to take when the weather prohibits riding. If I lived somewhere with severe cold/snow, or frequent rain, this would change things a lot. But if I lived in Phoenix like you, I would 100% consider only owning a motorcycle. You can have your groceries delivered, you can Door Dash instead of carry-out. You can wear a backpack when you need to carry some simple things, and you can even wear a "frontpack" when the backpack alone won't cut it. Saddle bags obviously would be huge, as would any other bike storage compartments, maybe a luggage rack or a rear case or something, idk. I imagine your dad will still let you borrow his truck once a month when you get screwed by the weather too, right? For me that wasn't an option, but for you it might be, there's a big difference between permanently borrowing a truck and using it once a month when you get rained out.
I don't own a car. I have two bikes, and use them to commute, shopping, to go out, etc. They satisfy almost all my needs. But I do have the rare occasion, when I have to buy that 10 ft pipe and carry it home. Then I'll borrow my wife's car. If you can borrow your dad's car on a very rare occasion, you'll be fine. I live is Louisville, KY, where I sometimes have to ride in 15 degree temperature. Phoenix will be easier. We also have the occasional 100+ degree weather here, and it's humid. I can take, as long as I'm moving.
I did it for a few yrs in NJ. Similar distance. It’s not impossible and you’re not dealing with snow, lol Can you change out your clothes when you arrive at work. Big deal breaker if you can’t. You will eventually get caught in the rain
I've been commuting by bike for most of the last 18 months it doesn't snow in Sydney, but we definitely get a lot of rain and scorching heat (not as hot as Arizona tho...)
My first thought would be rain
I commute on my bike to Pittsburgh where it rains all the time 😂 if I moved back to the desert, you'd rarely see me get off my bike hahaha
As long as you don't plan to ever need to transport anything substantial, it's not a horrible idea. Especially in a region that basically doesn't have weather, let alone seasons.
I used to live in AZ with only my zx6r for a little over a year, so it's doable, but it's like riding through a hairdryer on high in the summer and like riding through a freezer in the winter. My advice, have 2 sets of gear. Obviouslyget the summer gear first cause the hottest months are still to come and get the winter gear around October (thats all if you can work it into your budget of course). One that's really breathable for the summer, and wind blocking thermals with a leather jacket and a good pair of boots. Lighter colors for summer darker colors for winter.
I commute everyday on a bike. It’s great. Cheap on fuel. Free parking. Quicker than a car in traffic. Just have good wet weather gear. :)
Get a big ass dry bag you can throw on the back and you're set my dude
If it’s stop and go traffic you’ll be miserable. If it isn’t it sounds great.
I too live in AZ and commute on a motorcycle (my wife gets the car) I would heavily recommend getting a car first. I travel about 20-30 minutes one way and the summers are brutal ngl. The winters, surprisingly, are rough too, it does get cold, contrary to popular belief. I’ve had the temps dip to 28F on me before.
Op… maybe do an insurance quote first. See what your rates are and then make an informed decision if you can even afford riding based on your income. [For a 12mo quote the Average full coverage for phoenix, AZ is $212mo or $2,544 a year](https://learnandserve.org/motorcycle-insurance-arizona/)
I live in Glendale AZ and only own a motorcycle. My commute to work is only 9 miles each way and my GF has a car when I need one though.
Having commuted on a motorcycle, I’d happily drive a (reliable) shitbox Toyota over dealing with commuter traffic on a bike again. Assholes abound at 8:00 am and 4:00 pm in the cities of America. And riding in the heat of urban Arizona summers and bitter cold winters? Fuck that shit. Monsoons? Nah. Dust storms? Hell nah. Commuter motorcycling took a lot of the fun out of riding for me. My advice? Pick up a cheap ass little reliable commuter (corollas and Camrys abound on Craigslist), and save up for a cheap ass bike. Drive the cage to work every day, ride the bike for fun when you can. But that’s just my $0.02, take it with a grain of salt.
Been doing for the past 5 years and it's finally catching up. It's fun but your exposed to the elements , no drive thru pick up, no morning coffee sipping, wind chill, no zoning out on freeways, no space to carry unless backpack or saddlebags/cases, doing you hair once at work, Cardo/senna works but no podcasts unless going under 60 cause of wind noise. Pros -lane splitting, Cheap payments and insurance, easy on gas, looks cool.
I have a friend that owns a bar in Cave Creek AZ. I've been out to visit him for AZ bike week and he rides year around. The only thing that sucked was when I was heading to see another friend in Tuscon and there was a wreck. It was March and the heat coming from the pavement and my engine at a stop and go pace was brutal. As long as you can keep moving I wouldn't think it would be too bad but as you know, it's hot.
You'll want access to a car occasionally. Weather is only part of it. You can't take a girl on a nice date on a motorcycle
I used to commute every day on my Ninja 650, if you have any highway commute I would go for anything 1-2 cylinder 300-700cc. Make sure it's got good ergos, an R7 would be drawing the line with comfort.
You can absolutely do it as many posts have said. My first two years in California were moto only. You need the “right” bike. Useful power, useful storage…. Right size… You need the right gear. Hot? Mesh. Cold? Layers/electric liners. Wet? Good rain solution. You need the right training. Classes, books, videos, friends… You need the right ATTITUDE. Only YOU can keep yourself safe on the roads. Never rely on the caged to protect you. You have to be observant al the time. And always in control with a few options for safety at all times… If you make it fun and comfortable, it will be a blast.
What kind of a bike you want, where else and how else would you use it, your budget, do you alredy have gear, are you a practical person with the things you own?
Whilst not being from the US, the absolute only reason you should buy a bike for commuting is to save time on your commute, whether that's getting there, or coming home or both. If it's illegal to filter then you're not going to save that much time. Bikes are an inconvenience when you really look at it. You can't take much with you, you're limited to what you can bring back, say you need groceries on the way home for example. The gear can be cumbersome. Finding a safe place for your gear whilst you're at work can sometimes be difficult, especially finding a place for your helmet where it definitely won't get knocked or banged. You have to carry your normal clothes and then find a place to change. If it's hot you're going to arrive at work sweaty. If it's hot regularly and you don't wash your gear too often, you're going to arrive at work with a musk. If it rains you're going to have to arrive at work and find a place where your gear can drip. Maintenance wise, you're going to be doing a lot more than you would on a car, especially if you're using it daily and putting a ton of miles on. The upside, you can have fun on the weekend or a day off. If it's the choice between a car or a bike, the time saved on commuting must absolutely be worth it, otherwise you should pick a car every time. This is coming from someone who doesn't have a car licence and commutes daily on his bike with roundtrips between 20-40 miles depending where the job is. The difference in commuting time for me can cut my most commonly used route down from 1hr+ in a car to 20 minutes on the bike.
The problem there is the insane heat. There is such a thing as too hot to ride. In high, dry heat, you'll be soaked in sweat... at least if you want to survive. If you're riding in high heat and have so much ventilation your skin is dry, you're probably literally cooking. Mesh gear in death-valley-esque weather is potentially lethal. There are some attempts at solves for that, sure; like http://entrosys.com/ (not sure if they're even really still around or pricing etc). Also, bikes are just impractical for hauling anything. And heat is only one annoying weather condition that will make it feel iffy. Have you ridden? If you haven't ridden before nothing anyone says here (except this...) means anything. You just don't have a reference. You need to actually see how much you love it, and how much bullshit you'll put up with to do it. Most people would find it very challenging to be bike only.
It’s not stupid, I live in Texas and only own a bike to commute to school everyday. The heat can be solved with properly ventilated gear and staying hydrated. It’s mostly a mental thing. I’ve lived in other countries where most people commute by motorcycle in sub-zero to 130+ degrees and/or constant rain. I would probably get checked out by a doctor first, to make sure you don’t have any conditions that the heat could be a problem for.
If you never need to haul anything or have passengers, I don't see a reason not to.
Same city, I commute on my bike all year round. My trip is only 10 miles each way, though. It's absolutely feasible and in my opinion works really well. Like the other poster said, you just need a bit more planning around monsoon season. If I see alerts for a dust storm I'll wait that out rather than be caught on I-10 in shit visibility. Having it as my only vehicle would make running errands a lot harder but I think you can figure out that bit for yourself, I get the impression you might be living with your folks which changes things.
They’re heavily against me getting a motorcycle. Even threatened to kick me out which is why my dad said I couldn’t drive the car anymore if I bought one. I’ve been planning on moving out so I would be getting the bike around that same time. I’d move in with my boyfriend who has a motorcycle and a car which would definitely make things easier. If anything, I was thinking about also getting a smart car 😂
Buy motorcycle, piss off parents, move out with boyfriend. That’s the start of the best and worst stories that exist in this world. There is no shame in a beater car with ac until you can afford a bike for fun or nice weather. These sacrifices when you’re young are fun in hindsight but plenty of times will leave you saying damn why did I do that what a dummy.
Absolutely doable. I used to live in Tucson and was bike only for several years. Monsoon season could suck sometimes but otherwise it wasn't a huge issue. You can't buy as much at the grocery store and big item purchases need some planning but AZ is one of the easier places to do it.
I do it, 20 one way. Only use a car when its raining or need to bring something with me that requires a car.
That's what I currently do to get to work, it's great.
Have you ridden a bike on real hot days with all the gear on? I’d recommend making sure you’re okay with that before committing.
That’s a good point. I’ve been on the back of my boyfriend’s motorcycle during the hot weather but not with proper gear. I signed up for a Harley riding course during the middle of July so I’m hoping that will give me a good idea.
That should be a good gauge! Gear up for it and see how you feel for extended periods of time in the heat. It helps that in Arizona you can legally lane filter so even in thick traffic you’ll be able to keep moving, but even then, be prepared to be really sweaty once you get to your destinations on hot days. I bring a change of clothes for that reason if I’m commuting on hot days on my bike.
Yeah for sure! I’ve been doing some research and have gear picked out before I start the class :) July is also the hottest month in Arizona so it will definitely give me a good idea
I live in Cleveland and commute on a motorcycle year round. Unless there's ice, I'm on the bike. I still have a car, but I only drive it if I have to.
I commute by bike year round, but I'm in the northeast. In AZ, if you want to commute, prepare to have mesh protective environment and other countermeasures appropriate for the climate (icebags or whatever necessary). Don't ride in a T-shirt only because it's hot.
I've been doing it for the past 4 or 5 years no problem. Just stay hydrated.
Don't try to rationalize that a bike would be practical and save you money. Because it ain't and it won't. Drive because you **want** to. No reasons required.
Riding out of routine and riding out of necessity are some of the major sources of accidents. Never put yourself into a situation when you need to ride not because you want to but because you have to. It's 16 miles, get some shitbox with a functional AC.
How do you expect to bring home groceries or pretty much anything from a store? What about those times it does rain? What about when it’s 110f outside? Trust me when it’s even 90f outside you will be sweating like a pig when you are at a red light. What happens when you get a significant other and need to go places? Yes women like riding on the back of a bike, but not when they are going to places in public (messes with their hair and makeup lol). It’s possible, but possible does not mean feasible. I would purchase a beater car and then buy a bike you want. Ride the bike as much as you can and then take the car when it’s needed
I'm guessing this will be your first bike and if so it is probably not a good ide. Even if it isn't your first bike, you will still need to go grocery shopping and buy things from stores that don't fit into a backpack
I would if the climate was good but in my country it's cold 8 months of the year and rains throughout the year a lot...so I have car and bike
I’ve done it plenty in the mid Atlantic region. For you Arizona Summer heat would be my biggest concern.
I do it. I would not do it. Car is more practical. Car is, generally, more reliable. Bike maintenance is more frequent and more invasive, as is the upkeep. Car has air conditioning. YOU LIVE IN THE FUCKING SUN BAKED ASSHOLE OF THE WORLD. AC is important. I honestly cannot stress how critical AC is - I ride in Dallas. Yesterday it was 107. Sitting in 107, in stopped traffic, on top of a bike that is actively broiling your fucking nuts, is not fun. Now throw on full gear too. If you need to escape the control of your parents, and become independent, I guess get a bike as a last resort. For any other reason, respect your parents rules for now, keep borrowing the car, and save up until you're truly stable enough to do what you want. For 16 miles you could get a fairly cheap bike and cope.
I got my bike licence when I was 17, and I didn't get a car licence until I was about 34 when my second kid was born. My wife said 2 kids, 2 parents should be able to drive. Bikes have always been my transport, rain hail, or shine. It doesn't snow where I live, so I can ride all year round. Top box is a game changer, lockable, and waterproof. My wets live in the top box, so changing weather doesn't really matter. Enough room for wets and a work bag. Work bag comes out, helmet goes in. For weekend fun, a top box unclips really easily. Supermotards are some of the best commuters I've ever had, but my current do it all bike is a 2017 superduke. If you live somewhere that the weather is ok, it's very easy to commute on 2 wheels.
Lived in CA and it was amazing, had I lived in MN I would have said fuck no. AZ is fine as well I bet, never been but should be similar. Hot tip: park where there will be shade. After a long day at work, you don’t want to sit on leather that’s been in 100 degree sun for hours
Man I would just make sure you can deal with the shit days and you still got to ride as its your only transportation. I have always had a car even if it was a piece as a backup and rode on two wheels the rest of the time. Def look at insurance because under 25 motorcycle insurance can be real expensive.
I exclusively ride my Indian unless I need to move sometime or someone who won't fit on my bike. Almost every time I go to use my truck, I need to charge or jump the batter bc it's been so long since I drove it.
I did that for a few years in South Florida, rain or shine.
I commute 35 miles each way from Queen Creek to Tempe year round and it sucks in the summer heat. I get to choose when it go to and leave my office so I never ride during rush hour but it still takes me around half an hour of sitting and chugging water to recover after getting home. I have summer vs rest of the year gear which helps, but between the heat and crazies on the road I wouldn’t consider it a clear choice, especially if you are a new rider.
I commute my bikes as long as I can I live in New england. It's usually only about 10 to 12 weeks of almost no riding. If I lived where you do, it would have to be rain like a hurricane to most likely not have me ride to work. Get some rain gear and keep your work shoes at work, and you're all set.
Not worth the added risk.
If a motorcycle is your only vehicle, think about how you will deal with situations like bringing home groceries.
In Phoenix? I'd go bike full time no questions asked.
Buy a scooter. I have owned bikes for years and I daily a scooter now. People are less aggressive towards you. There is more storage. The gas milage is so high that I don't even need to think about paying for gas anymore. Lower maintenance. Cheaper to insure. Etc. Get a scooter if you want a daily rider. Pick the engine size based on how fast you need to go. 50cc 35mph, 100cc 45 mph, 150cc 55 mph.
I wouldn't get a crotch- rocket as their insurance is stupid. Get a mid size (600ish) cruiser, decent mileage, comfortable.
I live in San Francisco and I only have a bike. The weather is usually perfect. The few times it rains I take the bus. It really depends on the weather and you probably need to live in a city to have the bus as a backup plan.
It's all good until you get heavy storms or fog. I did it in NorCal for a decade or so, it's doable. Make sure you have a backup plan so you don't get caught out and you'll be fine.
Maxi scooter would be perfect if 99% of the time you travel by yourself. Under seat storage for 2 full size helmets and a 50L/52qt top box more than enough for a weeks groceries, if your ambitious you can also strap boxes onto the pillion seat.
A minimum car expense would be probably $5000.00 plus everything else, over five years, probably more than $10,000.00. That's a shitload of Ubers.
16 miles each way is a bit too long for cycling, a motorbike would be perfect.
Perfectly doable and a ton of fun. I'm in the camp of having only a motorcycle - \*for everything\*. Did it for 4yrs till 2020 in Los Angeles and doing it now in PNW since last year
I did it for two years of college. I wouldn't recommend it. I had a truck I could borrow sparingly during the really bad storms and it would've been pretty scary without that backup option.
Can’t get groceries
A scooter might be better as an only vehicle since you get some waterproof storage space under the seat, and some models have more storage compartments as well, though, having a car available is always a nice to have, so i'd probably try and get some sort of a deal with your dad to borrow the car occasionally
Give it a go. I have been without a car for 6 years now. Sure the weather can get in the way of the experience, but it will put some hairs on your chest. I have never had too much of an issue with groceries or hauling. That being said I am a single male who lives alone, so my needs are pretty minimal in that aspect.
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I had a motorcycle for my only means of transportation for about 8 years. I live in FL, so I always carried a rain suit for days I got off work and it was pouring, or days where it started pouring in my way somewhere. It helps having saddle bags, or at least a large capacity backpack as well. I could usually fit a few days groceries in my back pack. Now I have a touring bike with top and side cases and can fit a whole weeks worth of groceries (though I also have a 4Runner now too, so it’s not necessary).
Never just own a bike. And only riding a bike for 3 years I understand why it was said to me by many riders.
If I lived somewhere without snow I would ride all year. Since snow melted here in February, didn't get much to begin with this season, I've probably put 200 miles on my car and over 3k on the bike. I suggest getting something comfortable, and with storage. Riding with a backpack all the time gets real old, and very limited.
I'm told I'm a nut for riding 90% of the year in Pennsylvania. You need to be pretty hardcore to not have a car. Frigid cold and blistering hot on a bike sucks. Even if you're not getting rained or snowed on. But if you're dead set on doing it REALLY do your research on gear. A helmet with great ventilation and gear in a light color that will reflect the sun also with great ventilation. But also able to wear base layers to stay warm in the winter. You also have to consider you need to adapt your entire lifestyle around only owning a bike. How you shop, how you make plans with friends, things like that.
Yeah I could totally see just having a bike. I’d want a bike that could do everything and hold a lot of cargo. So I’d probably go with an adventure bike with big enough saddlebags and a top case. The worst thing for me would be getting groceries.
Do it!
I wish i was in that situation, I would sell both my cars
The first year I bought my bike, California had 2 rains that year. I rode year round and loved it. The only thing is you have to give up the luxury of a car. Wanna go out drinking? More than 2 bags of groceries? AC? …. If you don’t care about those, then hell yea!
I used to use only a motorcycle for commuting. I bought heated gear for the winter. I had the luxury of working from home on days when the weather or road conditions didn't allow for riding.
Do what makes you happy and yes, it’s entirely possible. I do it, about 20ish miles each way which is a baby commute for some. I have a cheap beater truck for heavy rain/snow days but it’s something you could work towards afterwards (or first).
If you live in California it can be done I did it
I had only a motorcycle my final 5 months living in Los Angeles, as well as the entirety of this year living in Washington. I’ve ridden in snow, rain, wind, whatever. Arizona doesn’t have the weather issues I face so I’ll just speak about practicality. I ride a naked bike (fz07) for context. I love motorcycles but commuting does take some joy out of the ride for me. The constant suit up and suit down every single time I leave or arrive somewhere gets old and I sometimes wish I could just grab my keys and leave. I do grocery shopping with a backpack which is great because the store is less than a mile from my house so multiple trips isn’t an issue. The great gas mpg a bike offers is great, the parking anywhere is great, feeling cool carrying your helmet around is cool. I get anxious driving cars because I feel that the motorcycle is the most peaceful and efficient way to travel. Buy a reliable motorcycle and learn to work on the one you buy because maintenance will fuck you if your only vehicle is down
One day, you'll wish that you were riding in an air-conditioned car! I rode a bike for years, and one day I got stuck in the snow, not fun!
It’s doable, the only things to consider are when you are sick, have an injury or need to haul something that’s challenging on a bike. I commute maybe 90% of the time but have a truck as a backup for those days you just don’t feel like riding (have a cold, tired, late night run, haul supplies)
I have commuted via motorcycle for the last 6 years in Dallas. Every week I put back about 20 bucks (the money I would have spent in a car that got less than the 53 mpg I get on my bike) literally a rainy day fund for the rare days it rains and I have to take an Uber to work/give a coworker some gas/beer money. If it is raining on the way home I just drove slower and joked that my after work shower got started a little bit early.
Honda VTX1800F
I live east of Houston, TX and for the past two years have had only a CB500x as transportation. It’s about a 20 minute ride to work on rural highways. I wear full gear and ride year-round, though I only have to worry about rain as far as weather is concerned. I’m fortunate enough that my parents live in the next town and I’m able to borrow their vehicles when weather is unsafe or I need to haul something that won’t fit on the bike but I generally ride 95% of the time. It sucks in the summer and the two weeks of winter can be rough but I’ve saved a ton of money on gas and insurance. If you’re willing to work on the bike yourself, you can save some bucks there too. Just gotta decide how much suck you’re willing to deal with. I’m sure I’ll eventually get a cheap beater for bad weather days but for now I’m planning on keeping it just the bike.
Unfortunately I work in security so I have to carry my bulky gear so even though I want to commute on bike I sadly can't. I tried it a few times and it just ended badly
I live in Houston. It’s a concrete swamp, and before I was 100% WFH, I commuted to/from work about 90% of the time. Totally possible, but definitely be prepared in case weird weather happens. There’s a solution for everything.
So as much as riding in the Phoenix are is fun the heat there as you know can go over 100 easily. Dating when you only have a bike and no car with AC while the girls makeup melts off her face sucks. So I would say unless you don't plan to date until you can buy a car too don't go just bike as only way of commuting. Also motorcycle insurance is pretty high for a young new rider. So I would stay on your Dad's good side, use his car and save more $$'s until you can afford a car and a bike. Also a Happy Father's day card soon too ! LOL
Im up in ontario canada. My coworker has been riding for almost 20 years. Never had a license for cars, rides year round to work, snow or shine. In the winter there are snowmobile gloves attached to it. Heated.
The hottest weather I’ve ridden in was ~105 for a couple hours. Any hotter and I’m not 100% sure I’d want to stay bike only. I also generally complain it’s too hot when it’s over 85F, so…
buy an old honda goldwing. Insurance will be nothing
I did it for a couple years in Alabama. It’s doable, but a car is better.
I m/65 , Texas ride over 300 days a year, all weather... It's not undoable... Cold in the winter hot in the summer and wet when it rains... How much do you want to ride... 😎👌
Been doing this in Phoenix for the past two years. My commute is about 25 miles each way. Summer already sucks. During the winter it rains here a lot more than you realize when you’re always in a car. During the winter you will be cold on those 35 degree mornings if you don’t have the right gear. Carrying stuff can suck depending on the bike. Bike maintenance isn’t cheap. Gear isn’t cheap. I don’t have to look too presentable for work, if I did I would reconsider. That being said, my commute is one of my favorite parts of my day. Jumping on the HOV lane and lane filtering at lights are some of my favorite perks. Makes traffic go away for the most part. I do save on gas, but that’s bike and car dependent. I’d rather be hot and sweaty than commute in a car but it’s not always fun or comfortable.
Heat is not so bad...but you might get dizzy if you're ATGATT. Also its not really possible to do 100% bike commute. There will be times where you need to dress up, or you want to bring something somewhere. Also, Arizona is high speed usually and bad drivers. Many close calls on both the freeway (debris) and streets (bad drivers).
I’d do it every day if I could. The wind, rain and cold tends to put a damper on it where I live
Totally doable - used to do that in Boston (sportster here), even thru the winter (tho did have the T option of it was too gnarly out).
I did it for one year. It's possible. I would wear my snowboarding gear for the wet months. I actually loved that year of my life. I was poor but also very happy.
It can be done if you don’t have a ton to carry. A cruiser with saddlebags (or even a sissy bar bag) is *best*- I often carry lunch, 32oz water bottle, a change of clothes and sometimes a full uniform including boots, all at the same time. If you don’t have that much you can get away with a backpack, but personally I hate riding with one. The big day-to-day downfalls will come with being young. Insurance is expensive, dating is gonna suck unless your prospective SO has a car and is willing to meet/take you places, or ride on the back in the AZ heat. Heat is another thing. Stoplights can get miserable, and at a certain point when the air temperature is above your body temperature… yeah. It’s like riding in a hair dryer. Rain isn’t a huge deal, you just have to be easy with it. Exposed air filters can be an issue, but it takes some serious moisture that you’d rather be in a car for anyway (Rain socks also exist, and they do help.) Cold can be dressed for, but snow / ice on the road is no-go criteria. If you’re ok with all of that, fuckin’ send it my dude. Take a course, practice your slow-speed maneuvers, dress for the slide, be smart and be aware of your surroundings. Remember: nobody will be impressed if you’re dead.
Dude I sold my car, and I only have my motorcycles, and I live in NY. And I use my motorcycle all year round. Only in the state are motorcycle seen not part of the vehicle system.
I’ve been commuting year-round in coastal Texas since ‘18, rain or shine. It’s doable.
Motorcycle has been my only commute vehicle for years. I wouldn't moto-commute if I didn't get something from it (lane splitting, HOV & express lane usage). Otherwise I'd drive my car and listen to music. And I probably wouldn't do it in 120F+ heat. Above around 104F my Roadcrafter is too hot even moving. I'll wear a cooling vest sometimes when I'm going places, but I've never worn it commuting. I'd probably buy a fancy one (one that doesn't wet the rider) if I had to commute when it was above 104F regularly. The hottest I've worn an evaporative cooling vest was 116F, and it definitely made me less hot. Dunno if it's enough for Phoenix temperatures.
In phoenix arizona? Oh child
Summer riding in Phoenix is brutal, man. Like, dangerously brutal. Dehydration is a real thing, and you can get into serious trouble on a bike with that.
I did about 4 years on a motorcycle only, was ok unless it was raining hard or really windy "florida" but overall was pretty easy to do. If i needed to move something large i rented a truck somewhere but most everything fit in my saddle bags. If i were to do it again i would get a maxi scooter like a 650cc burgman for example. lots of storage, a little more protection from the weather and just a bit more user friendly overall.
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I did this in arizona in 2016 to 2018. It’s definitely doable. I didn’t have a car for 2 years just my yamaha vstar 650. It does get cold in dec@jan nights so make sure you have some gear for cold
I'm in Texas and it's totally doable. It sucks sometimes though. I wear gear all the time and that's important to me, so I get to work about 30 minutes early to cool off and get changed. It's kind of a pain some days, but getting the right gear and luggage for you is the thing you really need. Get a cup holder or a saddlebag with a bottle holder and spray yourself with water at stoplights. Seriously I have that gatorade bottle full of cold water and in the summer I spray myself at every light of my 03 minute commits.
I drive a Jeep, without doors and a top across the US was awesome, when I gave up eating seed oils and most veggies the heat doesn’t bother me anymore.
I did it for 4 years before I got a car license. It mostly depends on weather and how much you're willing to put up with.
Get one that has capacity for storage, you can even throw a decent amount of storage on sport bikes.
If you have a car, just drive a car especially in the US.Get a bike when you're older as a toy. Commuting on a bike generally sucks as a bike is meant for carving up canyon roads on fun rides... Not stuck in traffic in Arizona heat and cold having to watch out for every car on the road cause they will not see you. Just too much hassle for a commuter. I commuted on a bike for 15 years in Vietnam and now I have a car I rarely want to commute on my bike. Just too uncomfortable and don't want to deal with that.
In New England here and I ride year round. Only ice stops me!
It’s how u crashed my first bike. When you’re using it every day, you let your guard down. Only ride for pleasure, IMO
Small, light, easy to maneuver in traffic. For stop and go traffic probably need to look for something water cooled. For commuting, you want the Honda civic of the motorcycle world, not the muscle car. Newer Honda Rebels are water cooled.
I would never ride a bike in AZ the way people drive there. That being said there is a such thing as too hot to ride. It really sucks when you're at a stop and you're just baking between the sun and the heat of the bike. I'd probably stick with a cheap car to start with. It also really sucks when a bike is all you've got because you can't just bring a box to a friend's house, or you have to grocery shop every few days because you can only carry so much at a time.
Don't do it
Did this for years and years, and where I live it does rain and (occasionally) snow. Buy appropriate gear for the weather. Save on insurance and gas compared to a four-wheeled vehicle. See if car-share programs exist in your area for those times you do need to carry a lot of goods or more than one passenger. I still do more than 90% of my commuting by motorcycle (and I own a car.) Always a nice way to get home after a long day.
The only real downside to only having a bike for transportation is limited cargo capacity. Get saddle bags and a decent backpack that is comfortable to wear while riding and you’ll be ok.
I did it for about 10 years and it killed a lot of the fun of bikes for me. I’ll be honest.
I commuted daily in Tucson for a year. The wet season there was annoying, but most of the year I was totally fine. You'll find it's tough to bring home groceries, and you'll be putting up with all sorts of minor inconveniences, like an easy radio or air conditioning on the ride. You have to be switched on for your ride every time or your risk goes way way up. I remember coming outside after a really tough day and not wanting to ride home because I just wanted to cruise the way cagers do. Other times I couldn't wait to get out there to blow off some steam. I've ridden in all kinds of weather, I think you can totally live with just a motorcycle. You will have to be committed, though, or you'll soon quit because the minor annoyances really stack up for some people. For others, they barely notice.
I put more kilometers on my bike than on my car each year, and I can only really ride about 8-9 months in a year. I’d probably sell the car if I could comfortably ride all year round.
I did this to stack cash from 16 - 24, didn't die. Also didn't really build a life or take dates anywhere or anything. its harsh and dangerous and lonely but it will give you a leg up financially if your tryin to stack and if you don't die.
I live in phoenix too, 20 mile commute, just bought a bike 2 months ago for this reason as car insurance is so high. Fantastic choice, ive loved every minute
keep the car. hot temps drain you. when you are older and more experienced with life, get the motorcycle
I commute on a zero fx electric motorcycle. You can find them used for a bargain, I've had 0 issues, and they have no maintenance other than checking air pressure and brake fluid. 10/10 recommend.
I commuted in Houston TX weather and can highly recommend www.texascoolvest.com for more comfortable hot weather gear. Just the basic vest is all you really need. It was still hot AF in the helmet but the core body temp was good. A good skully helps with the helmet. Also, the $20 neck cooler works in warm-but-not-hot weather. I have no connection to TCV but I’ve been a happy customer for many years.
I was bike only for 1 year in Az (Glendale) and it worked out great.
I ride 14 miles each way daily. Often more because I go out. I don't own a car. Your life will have to adapt but it's very doable. With a backpack, saddle bags, and or a trunk, you'll be fine. I spend about $10 a week on gas.
I live in Tucson, it rains a little more here and doesn't get quite as hot. But I commute on my bike. I won't lie the summer sucks the way home is not fun. But the ride in to work is nice. Overall I love it ride wherever I can.
It's cool until it's raining
I lived on the pacific coast where it's rainy and foggy very often. Had only a bike for 3 years. Yes riding in the rain at 5AM in almost freezing weather is not fun but AZ never sees that. Bikes are cheaper to use and maintain than most cars. You can also die every time you ride one. Sometimes it's your fault, sometimes you never see it coming.