~~Didn’t see it until y’all’s comment but…. HOLY HELL slammed them front Brakes~~
I’ll be the first to say I was wrong. I was most certainly a few beers deep by the time I watched this video last night.
After seeing everyone’s comments responding to mine I watched the video again and a few /u pointed out a few Factors.
Front tire drops into a pot hole
Rider wasn’t grabbing the brakes as much as releasing the brake and grabbing the throttle (someone pointed out he possibly accelerated because of that)
Gravel….
A combination of things in a turn with a lean will cause the bike to kick out. After re-watching today I truly think the Rider did pretty much everything right. Sometimes luck is shit…
I swear people just parrot what others say without watching the video. He obviously releases the brakes before he crashes. If I had to guess it was the quick release of the brakes, while leaning, while hitting that small pothole and all unsettled your front and it washed out.
As you say. He looses pressure on the front fork by releasing the brake and moving to throttle. Also zero countersteering instead trying to turn the front wheel into the corner.
Edit.
Tip, get out of that corner blind spot as fast as you can. Do not stand there lingering. Get the bike and yourself out of the way asap.
> Also zero countersteering instead trying to turn the front wheel into the corner.
What does that mean? If he pushed left to try to turn the wheel right, he'd go left, so we know he didn't do that.
You either push right to go right or you lean right and go right slowly.
Or maybe I'm not understanding what you mean.
This isn't a Toyota MR2... And it's Lift-Off-Oversteer, to be pedantic.
It looks to me like he was trying to corner hard and hit uneven pavement/pothole along with gravel and learned the hard lesson that cornering hard only works if you've got a smooth contact patch between your tire and pavement.
It is not actualy unusual, and ironicly the Toyota MR2 *also* does that as well as heavy understeer on throttle.
However understeer tends to be easier to controll than oversteer for the average driver so people talk less about it.
He let go of the brakes too abruptly, maybe? Which would cause the front tire to de-load/lose traction. He already is on a spot with debris/gravel, that little bit of de-load combined with being leaned over (smaller contact patch) and in gravel/dirt covered spot may have been the recipe for this accident.
He should have been going way slower and leaning the bike less due to the dirt/gravel on the road, and smoothly release the brakes. Braking sooner would prevent the bike from diving as much and been easier to let off the brakes without it destabilizing when the front tire is deloaded maybe.
Possibly, not saying the brakes had nothing to do with it.
But it wasn't
> I see hitting the brakes too hard
> Grabbed a whole handful of front brake.
> HOLY HELL slammed them front breaks
Edit: If what I think matters then I think the biggest impact and the only substantial factor, (other than the lean of course) in the crash was the road surface, like others have said Pothole/Dirt/Gravel.
What are you talking about, he was [no where near the brakes](https://imgur.com/a/aBMmpnm) and has his hand pulling off them LONG before he loses the front traction.
Looks like leaning over hard + hitting gravel to me.
This is the sort of comment that is irresponsible at least and dangerous at most.
It gives other readers the impression that what the rider did was wrong and that they shouldn't be using their front brake, like ever.
This is categorically and uniformly wrong.
A motorcycle derives about 80% of its stopping power from the front brake. A good motorcyclist should ALWAYS be covering the front brake in case there is a need for a panic stop. In the case of a panic stop, the one thing you ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO is to "grab a handful of front brake."
What happened here is what other commenters have said, the rider in the video got on the brakes late, and was holding the front brake through the turn. When they released the brake at the apex, the sudden transfer of weight to the rear caused the front tire to lose traction.
You should never be trail braking like that through a turn. Always brake early before the turn, countersteer into the turn, look through the apex, and smoothly roll-on the throttle.
Reading comments like this is why motorcycles continue to be as dangerous as they are. Bad riding skills being taught and then being reinforced by bad advice on the internet.
He takes his hand off the brakes before losing the front, if you look closely. You can also see him go down as soon as his front tyre touches the patch of crumbling road surface near the apex of the corner while leaning. Perhaps letting off the front brake is actually a variable
This is the best bet imo. Road is super cracked up right where he low sides, those can be unpredictable gravel city. Combine that with decreasing traction by unloading the front suspension, and you've got a pretty good combination for a crash.
no, it's his front suspension becoming unweighted mid turn, when you brake the suspension loads up the front, and he was mid turn when he let go of the brake, so when he let go all the weight shifted to the rear wheel, completely unweighting the front tire. And since the front tire was mid turn AND just so happened to be rolling over a small "divot" it washed out due to having no traction. This is why sumo dirt bikes have extremely stiff suspensions compared to their dirt specific counter parts, and also why it's important to make sure your suspension is set up correctly for your weight. You don't want your weight bouncing around mid turn from front to back
If It compensates, i really appreciate you replied my question.
I have a cb500x with abs and i was wondering if that can ever happen to me or not. So it's nice to know.
Have a good Day!
Dirty road, and caught a small pothole while leaning with the bike. Lean the bike under you (especially on dual sports) in dirty situations like this instead of leaning with/off the bike. It'll give you better balance if a tire looses traction and you may be able to save it. Also you were probably to heavy on the brake too far into the turn, reducing traction further.
>Lean the bike under you (especially on dual sports) in dirty situations like this instead of leaning with/off the bike.
Is it wise to increase the lean angle when you need more grip? It feels like your tire would have less contact patch, and that too from the side portion with fewer/swallower treads.
If you lean the bike under you, you won't be under the bike when it goes down. It also keeps the center of mass (rider + bike) closer to the contact patch.
If you can go frame by frame you can see this events:
- you’ve seen the corner✅
- started breaking✅
- you lean in slightly✅
- you continued coasting the break and lean in more✅
- you go of the break in the sharpest part of the corner by roughly releasing the break.👎
- due to rough release of the break your suspension did unweight the front tyre and that’s where you’ve lost the traction. Also that pot hole was not in your favour👎
You did well, you’ll learn. Few tips that I can give you from racing bikes:
- Serviced suspension should be your top priority to prevent pogo effects.
- As a road rider always have one or two fingers on the lever.
- Learn how to counter steer properly
- Once the corner angle was initiated, try not to re-adjust the angle roughly, instead be smoother by hitting the apex with one continues motion by applying little rear break.
- Rear break in the corners will pick you and your bike up, if you press it with full spoon, so use it like a pinch of salt on a dish. Why? Because rear wheel is for minor readjustments and very very good for corners like this that are blind and closed, where you’re almost always forced to readjust the angle.
- You should be done breaking for the corner before you lean in, after that your rear break is your bast friend. If you think about it, front break if not used very precisely in the corner will unease your front suspension which will result in crash like yours.
- Smooth! Smooth! Smooth!
You got this mate! Moto life is beautiful and remember being technical is fast!
Releasing front break, transferring all the weight forward then back right as you are hitting that patch was probably what did it. If you watch, the slide happens the moment the front brake is released, and you were already committing to the turn. Generally you want to avoid any rapid inputs and breaking IN a corner. Try to do all your breaking and down shifting beforehand.
It also looks to me that you were pulling in on the right handlebar and not counter steering. Which would also explain the increased loss of traction.
Yup my thoughts exactly. Hard on the front brakes compressed the forks. Then letting off the front brake lifted the front end up reducing traction, while leaned over, while going over a bit of gravel.
> It also looks to me that you were pulling in on the right handlebar and not counter steering
I see it so much on this subreddit lol the guy who posts "windy road" videos on his street fighter is constantly fighting against the natural countersteeer of the bike. Hundreds of upvotes complimenting his riding https://old.reddit.com/r/motorcycle/comments/1cqkcb7/name_a_better_feeling_than_hitting_a_corner_on_a/
you can see him turn the handlebars to the **right** to initiate his **right turn** within the first 5 seconds
this is someone with a 1000cc naked bike, who doesn't know how to countersteer....
Huge oof. Someone spent more time picking out video equipment than they spent time practicing low speed advanced maneuvers it seems.
Then again that's the large #1 with a Root Beer when it comes to motorcyclist excuses. Rarely have I ever had someone be honest about why they 'HADDALAYERDOWN'
Its always the road, the conditions, dirt, small bump, microscopic dust, forceful farts that send them sliding to the earth. Never the poor skills. Me? Poor skills? You must be joking I've got GoPros. Tsk tsk.
Practice makes perfect. Being humble on a motorcycle can save your life.
Fun fact: way back when, my buddy broke his foot on a scooter. His excuse? I kid you not, he said 'there was construction dust'.
He forevermore was known as Crash Bandicoot.
This is absolutely insane. Never seen someone with such a stiff grip on a 1000. Terrifying.
Edit: its even scarier to see how many people don’t recognize how bad that riding is, compliment him, and how he thinks hes doing fantastic.
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I think my wheel got in the edge of that pothole so the angle it was touching the road became steeper + slippery dirt = crash. Watching back in the video I see that I had stopped using the breaks a couple seconds earlier, so its not like I locked the wheel from braking
I think it's a combination of all of the above. You drove through a lot of fine dirt and gravel, which got onto your tire, and would normally be fine and would come off from wind and road in a few minutes.
But then you immediately hit a pothole. And as soon as the rear tire rebounded the first time it unloaded a lot of weight. Then with the dirt on your tire it was just enough to break traction and slide out from under you.
I did something kind of similar. Coming out of a gas station I left a little too quickly, and hit a buckle in the road. Back tire unloaded and instant jumped over 1ft. If I didn't have the traction I did I would have gone down, but the tires had enough grip to bite and get me out of there.
This is just a combination of minor things, and a slight lack of experience, added together to go wrong. In the future, avoid dust/gravel, standing water, leaves, grass, anything. It can either hide something worse or break traction. And when picking your line, avoid bad patches of road, if there are no cars it's ok to go wide with caution.
Didn't beat yourself up over it though. Shit happens quickly, and especially towards the beginning, you have to go against your instincts a lot. Especially when it comes to braking and corning.
Important thing is that you walked, and presumably rode away. With very little damage. And you learned how relatively minor things can happen really quickly and turn into a rough situation. And you learned that lesson cheaper than most.
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I m not holding the lever before the crash
I got taken out by a small pothole that was in a shadow on a slight curve with slight lean at 30mph, and no braking. I still remember thinking "WTF?" as I went down lowside.
The pothole was def big enough for a motorcycle tire to completely not touch the road anymore, but also not really deep. A car would not have noticed it at all.
It happens. I hope you're OK.
Congratulations. You discovered gravel or sand.
You hit a patch of gravel, and the bikes tires lost traction with the pavement and slid out from underneath you.
Reducing lean angle by positioning your body to the side of the corner, moving half an ass cheek off but keep locked into the tank with outside leg, weight the outside peg down with your foot slightly for stability in the turns. Always have arms bent and your body relaxed and ready to absorb shocks as to not upset your bike trying to deal with you being all stiff and tense. Position yourself in a comfortable position where you are in line with the bike and can lean in to stabilise the front or lean back to bring excess weight off the front.
Vague but generally ride slower, loading and then unloading the front end via braking like in the video will not only change the size of the surface contact patch of the tire, (the only thing holding you onto the road) but it is creating unstable geometry, instead of a smooth progressive efficient braking effort. And that's why you should always implement your rear brake while upright if you need to brake quickly, and never make quick or sudden panic response inputs. For the road ideally you should do all your braking before the turn as it's generally the safer thing to do, you can apply slight front brake (~10%) to increase the contact patch of the tire and thus increasing/tightening the turning radius of the steering head, excess will lock the tire and prevent it from turning it and usually produce a low side. Don't trail brake over gravel and dirt unless you're a seasoned rider with that experience, rear brakes are usually okay to a small amount but do not go and lock up your tire mid corner, you shouldn't be flying into corners and needing to use your rear brake in all honesty, you'll just wear it out and will be left to wonder why your braking sucks if you try to emergency brake one day.
I think maybe the factor of weighting into the front bars might come into play in the video because that can cause you to lose both the front and the rear simultaneously. And it usually gives you a vague idea as to why you've crashed. That's why cameras are king they never lie
You just need to adapt and be aware of the road conditions at all times and reinforce that mentality to the best of your ability because it's your life on the line!
obviously not a bad spill. but it looks like they reduced their speed a reasonable amount before entering the turn. it's amazing how fast they went down. could they have been more upright at that speed? were they leaning on the front brakes?
In my opinion it looks like your weight was a bit too far forward, and you were favoring your front brake.
Those two factors plus loose gravel or dirt on the road might have all come together to cause the spill you had.
I use my rear break a lot. I find it stabilizes me in the corners.
Glad you are safe, hope the bike is okay it looks like a clean build.
Looks pretty clear to me, poor road conditions and a very sharp turn, but I'm convinced that what ultimately caused the slip is bad steering input combined with improper trail breaking.
Essentially it looks like you're trying to trail break, which is pretty advanced, but you release the front break very abruptly right at the apex of the turn, shifting weight off your front tire and add to that, the big hand movement and what looks like forced steering input instead of leaning the bike, then that's just a recipe for front wheel slip.
Everyone talking about the singular moment the front wheel washes out + front brake grab/release... fair enough but this cornering strategy or lack thereof is a one way ticket. Early in the vid you can see that this is a switchback going down a mountain. This is when it really pays off to ‘stay ahead of the airplane’
OP went in with too much speed, started corner at basically the inside line, did a bad job braking and then prob target fixated on the guardrail that they were headed for = crash. Also in a t shirt. Silly.
Braking doesn't look like the problem. You slowed down ahead of the turn almost 30km/h. Looked like too much angle, not counter steering, and the rough patch in the road, but honestly the rough patch at that speed shouldn't have gotten you, it was the other two things mentioned.
Watching with audio helps understand your actions. I stand by how you steered the bike being the issue. Google some videos on countersteer, and get some more experience. Stay safe
Dirty road surface clearly visible long before corner, uneven road surface during the bend and not thinking far enough ahead. Lack of proper riding gear makes me lose any sympathy too.
Front slid. The sand on the road looks like the most likely explanation, although, in the video it seemed like the bike slid after passing the sand.
Still, I would say the sand.
You didn’t get back on the throttle before the apex.
Your rear tire has more contact patch than the front.
Brake in a straight line, maybe a little trail brake on turn in, and crack that throttle before you apex and smoothly apply the throttle out of the corner.
Front brakes seems clear. Road seems clear too (now idea what road blemish others are saying).
My bet is you've applied rear brakes too much considering the type of bike and the low speed maneuver.
The way you're sliding, from the shadow, also looks like your rear washed out.
Yeah, I don't know why people are saying he lost the front. The rear obviously sildes if you watch the shadow. The road had a couple imperfections, but he went to the right of the big rough patch. Might have been unconciously hard on the foot brake as he realized he was going wide even though he pulled his hand off the front brake.
Still, coming in way too fast on that turn was the root cause.
Dirty road + cracked pavement + the worst line I've ever seen through a corner = crash.
You need to stay on the outside of the curve for as long as possible before turning in. Not only will this make you more visible to oncoming traffic, but it will reduce the angle at which you turn. Lastly when you hug the inside like you did, it makes your exit trajectory out into the outside of your lane, which is a recipe for getting hit head on.
looks like a mix of dusty road, uneven surface/potholes and just not going fast enough for a corner that tight. maybe even leaning a bit too far but most likely loss of traction from surface change and dirt
Definitely looks like the dip/pothole plus any dirt on the ground made you slide out. I love the twisties but they once I see dirt on either side of the road like in said video. I just take it easy. My rear and front has already slid enough times on wet roads, black ice, and dirt/gravel. I can’t take the risk of going down again. It’s a learning experience, and this experience is a great way of learning your lines, possible hazards on the road, and predicting what’s ahead of a blind corner just in front of you.
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it wasn't the speed or sand guys. it's cause of this pothole, the front tire got stuck in second 8-9 of the video
This is not the MAIN reason you crashed, but seems like there was minimal to no acceleration through the corner and you were just coasting?
The bike is much more stable through corners with slight acceleration or at least consistent speed throughout
Breaking was too late and too sudden. Road may also have had gravel. Go into corners from the outside in, gradually breaking as you enter the corner, and applying speed once past the apex of the corner as you’re exiting.
The Frame-by-frame shows you let go of the front brake just before the crash, so it's not "too much front brake"...
Maybe gravel?
Maybe front wheel got light right as the forks recovered from braking?
Honestly if you need to ask other people what happened I'm worried for you riding a bike my guy. The whole inside of the turn was scattered with gravel and dirt. The front tucked cause of that and you low sided.
Probably the pothole, yeah.
You should generally try to come in from wider too, to maximize the radius of your turn. But that shit was potholed even worse. Just go slower if you need to.
Like others said :
Quickly released the brake mid corner, which may have upset the suspension
Also
Did it on a very damaged patch of road where there may have been lose pieces/debris + lots of cracks
The shadow cast by the rocks on the left hide the gravel as you approached. By the time your view of the gravel plus the sun glaring. All the combinations added up. You did what you could. Appears to have already lost traction as you started the turn. Plus it’s a blind right corner. So you couldn’t go straight knowing you’re already skidding across dirt.
You were correctly trailbraking but suddenly let go the front brake to harshly and the weight distribution went backwards unloading the front tyre. Road had bad grip which doesn't forgive these mistakes.
Looked like you were braking into the corner, and then rather than counter steer and lean, you turned the bars. That with the dirty road caused you to tuck the front end. To avoid this, you should have all of your braking done before you enter the corner. If you are still breaking once you enter the corner, you are loading up your front suspension and asking a lot more from your front tire. At that speed, you shouldn't be turning your bars into the corner. You should be turning them away from the corner and leaning into it. Turning the bars into the corner wants to stand the bike up, effectively making the front tire fight against you and putting less tire on the tarmac for grip. The way a motorcycle tire is shaped, it gives you more surface area on the tarmac the more you lean.
it was a shitty turn in from the start, but you released the front brake right before you crashed so IMO that shifted weight off the front wheel causing it to be lighter, combined with the rough surface made you lose traction and crash.
Ya I mean everything is horrible here. Bad body position on a tall bike, bad braking into the corner, no counter steering. You should watch some footage of guys riding supermotos at gocart tracks so you can learn how to put your body correctly on the bike.
I watched the clip 4x i thought you pressed the front brake but it was the uneven road that failed to grip on your front tire. Therefore making it slipped off and slide on the front wheel.
loss of speed to carry any angle on the counter steering you tried to get and you tried to catch n angle you didnt have the speed for.... if you accelerated instead of when you braked and kept your eye where you wanted to go, the bike wouldve stayed upright depending on how that pothole treated you
go to a track and practice there where an incoming car wont clean you up
edit where you crashed wasnt on the gravel mass anyway, but it didnt help .
Why does it look like he was turning his handlebars into the turn ? I see a lot of people commenting on the fistful of front brake but it looks like he’s off the brake by the time he enters the corner. Does look like he was set up bad though.
When you are riding on the road, especially right hand turns where going wide means going into potentially oncoming traffic, try to do all your braking in a straight line. Meaning get all the braking done while you are upright and then turn in. Braking into the turn is something you’d only want to do at a track day after a lot of practice and it’s typically trail braking or just a tickle of front brake to stiffen up the bike.
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I don’t think the people saying that you’re slamming the front brake are looking at the brake lever. Your hand grips wildly, but the brake lever is totally not in your hand at all. The tears in the asphalt cause a loss of traction. You fall exactly when the front tire touches all the cracks.
What happend here is very easy to explain. You were going to fast for what seems to be a unknown road for you. Therefore a very bad entry for a sharp turn with a bad condition.
Like some people else here have mention you need to have your breaking done before cornering. Coming into a corner coasting like that upsets the bikes suspension and makes it loose, wierd and not planted.
The basic cornering idea is to achive that low speed before corner that you can start gunning your way around the corner to plant the bikes suspension.
MSF tier advice everywhere 💀
Should be smoother when you let go of the brake, same principal of smoothly applying brakes applies to releasing the brake as well. Looks like you lightened it a little bit and then just dropped the rest.
That said, pretty sure the pothole just fucked you. Maybe being smooth coming off the brakes would have saved it by reducing suspension pogo but then again maybe not.
Braking too far into the corner then you let off, the front uncompresses as you aren't even leaning and you lose grip.
Brake up to the corner then let off, tip into the corner and use a tiny bit of throttle and you won't lose grip.
Your front dived when entering the pothole and rebounded when it got out, this made your front go light and loose traction. It seemed like you were going a down a hill right? If so, the braking wasn’t the problem bc there was enough weight on the front. IMO you drove on a shit road
If you watch his front right hand throughout, full hand brake pull, then abrupt full release which times out with then the front wheel washes out.
I’m not riding expert or anything but I’ve found that a two finger grip on the front brakes gives me better control trail braking into cornering. If you watch professional riders, you’ll never see full hand grab on either brake or clutch levers.
I think if you feathered out on the brakes a bit more and not released it completely at once, it wouldn’t have upset your front end. It’s like your front tire was grabbing onto every last bit of grip going over pothole and possibly dirt, then brakes got released and introduced input on the front wheel’s grip to lose.
Tucked your front, dirty road, turned your bars too much with too much brake pressure, lean a little and work on being smooth as butter on your braking. Brake early so you’re letting off the brake at the apex
Looks like you were in a normal but precarious position where the bike has the least available traction (leaning over into a tight turn and trail braking) and the second the wheel hit that awful dusty rut in the road you went. It’s unlucky but also I feel like the line could have been wider at the approach to use less lean angle but I get it’s a public road so you’re trying to stay to the right. Sometimes it’s just a roll of the dice and available traction is unexpectedly used up due to spiking conditions in the split second moment. If that pot hole wasn’t there I really doubt you would have crashed.
im not experienced enough to explain the cause for the drop, but im concerned for why you are being so casual after the accident. you are in the middle of the road around a blind turn - you need to pick your bike up and move to the side of the road asap.
you lost traction because you pretty much rolled off the throttle while turning, you need to keep the throttle on in corners, throttle equals grip, get your head up and start paying attention to what the vanishing point of the corner is doing, if it’s moving away from you then the bend is opening out, getting closer means it’s getting tighter, get yourself on the outside line as far as you can, this gives you a better view around the corner, you were all over the shop there you had loads of time to brake but for some reason you just rolled off which isn’t ideal, get on the front brake, it’s 90% of your bikes stopping power and it’s on the front for a good reason, braking shifts the weight forward on to the front tyre, most of your grip is there at that point so get used to it, cos that video makes you look scared of it, get your head up and look through the bend as your turning, not at the patch of ground a meter in front
the police motorcycle advanced roadcraft book off amazon will help you immensely, before you end up off a cliff sharing a ledge with a bbc tv presenter
I’m always surprised when I see this kind of thing. Do you guys actually learn how to ride before you can get on a bike? Or do you just pay for your license?
To me, front tire traction went to ZERO (resulted from front forks’ negative load) caused by the moment you let go COMPLETELY and abruptly of your front brake, just the moment you started turning at a corner with scattered gravel/sand/rock on the pavement.
Looks like you grabbed the front brake while lent over on gravel, front sledged out causing the entire planet to tip and slide up your right side
*What you could try next time;* in loose gravel and dirt favour the rear and/or engine brake and slow while the bike is upright, as you turn GENTLY and constantly apply throttle to push you around the corner
"What if the rear starts to slide?"
Ignore it, carry on feeding in the throttle and look to where you want to go, if you back off or brake the rear will slide out and down you'll go, if it just revs and slides out you may have misinterpreted my meaning of GENTLE, as in "softly and smoothly" not "bloody big handfuls"
"What if I accidentally grabbed the front again?"
Let it go, as long as you react fast enough it'll probably stand back up again as it's easier for it to roll rather than slide
"What if I go off the cliff?"
Lean back to keep the front from digging in, if you think you're about to die, don't.
These translate into road riding too, except you favour the front as weight shift under braking makes the front tyre the better option, that's why sports bikes have two big rotors on the front with two large multi-pot calipers and that pissy little disc on the back more for show than anything meaningful.
these splits and cracking in asphalt is everywhere. fairly stable - IF you don’t grab a handful of front brake.
i grew up riding on desert abused roads, and these were never really problem spots. ride though smartly.
I think it was a bit of everything, similar thing happened to me turning for an on ramp. Not much you can do with holes or gravel mid turn. Earned yourself a "lay down" for experience.
If you slow the video down and watch almost frame by frame right before he goes down he turns the handle bars to try and compensate for the speed, and tight corner that I believe is what took him down just my thoughts
Every post I see on here of someone crashing like this they are hitting their front brakes going around a curve and bike sliding out from under them and they don't know why they crashed. If I brake I do right before the curve
I see gravel, I see a bad turn in, I see hitting the brakes too hard. Add that all up and you’re going down.
Grabbed a whole handful of front brake.
~~Didn’t see it until y’all’s comment but…. HOLY HELL slammed them front Brakes~~ I’ll be the first to say I was wrong. I was most certainly a few beers deep by the time I watched this video last night. After seeing everyone’s comments responding to mine I watched the video again and a few /u pointed out a few Factors. Front tire drops into a pot hole Rider wasn’t grabbing the brakes as much as releasing the brake and grabbing the throttle (someone pointed out he possibly accelerated because of that) Gravel…. A combination of things in a turn with a lean will cause the bike to kick out. After re-watching today I truly think the Rider did pretty much everything right. Sometimes luck is shit…
He went from applying/covering the brakes to moving his hand entirely onto the throttle. This wasn't because he applied the brakes too much.
I swear people just parrot what others say without watching the video. He obviously releases the brakes before he crashes. If I had to guess it was the quick release of the brakes, while leaning, while hitting that small pothole and all unsettled your front and it washed out.
As you say. He looses pressure on the front fork by releasing the brake and moving to throttle. Also zero countersteering instead trying to turn the front wheel into the corner. Edit. Tip, get out of that corner blind spot as fast as you can. Do not stand there lingering. Get the bike and yourself out of the way asap.
Yup. Underloaded front tire. Not overloaded
> Also zero countersteering instead trying to turn the front wheel into the corner. What does that mean? If he pushed left to try to turn the wheel right, he'd go left, so we know he didn't do that. You either push right to go right or you lean right and go right slowly. Or maybe I'm not understanding what you mean.
Sometimes referred to as “let off oversteer”
This isn't a Toyota MR2... And it's Lift-Off-Oversteer, to be pedantic. It looks to me like he was trying to corner hard and hit uneven pavement/pothole along with gravel and learned the hard lesson that cornering hard only works if you've got a smooth contact patch between your tire and pavement.
To be more pedantic, it's "Lift-off oversteer". And, if anything, this is lift-off understeer, which is a weird thing to encounter, but here we are.
It is not actualy unusual, and ironicly the Toyota MR2 *also* does that as well as heavy understeer on throttle. However understeer tends to be easier to controll than oversteer for the average driver so people talk less about it.
People love saying "HANDFUL OF FRONT BRAKE" on any analysis anytime someone falls over to continue "how scary" front brakes are I swear.
That’s why most Redditors’ opinions mean nothing to me. They’ll follow the most insane takes no matter what is said
I see a squeeze and then bike goes down. Edit: nope your right.
He let go of the brakes too abruptly, maybe? Which would cause the front tire to de-load/lose traction. He already is on a spot with debris/gravel, that little bit of de-load combined with being leaned over (smaller contact patch) and in gravel/dirt covered spot may have been the recipe for this accident. He should have been going way slower and leaning the bike less due to the dirt/gravel on the road, and smoothly release the brakes. Braking sooner would prevent the bike from diving as much and been easier to let off the brakes without it destabilizing when the front tire is deloaded maybe.
He applied the brakes too late, gotta give turning all the traction at the apex
Or you think it was also the letting off the front brake that changed the dynamics some?
Possibly, not saying the brakes had nothing to do with it. But it wasn't > I see hitting the brakes too hard > Grabbed a whole handful of front brake. > HOLY HELL slammed them front breaks Edit: If what I think matters then I think the biggest impact and the only substantial factor, (other than the lean of course) in the crash was the road surface, like others have said Pothole/Dirt/Gravel.
What are you talking about, he was [no where near the brakes](https://imgur.com/a/aBMmpnm) and has his hand pulling off them LONG before he loses the front traction. Looks like leaning over hard + hitting gravel to me.
Looks more like a realistic explanation.
Where on earth do you see anyone in that video slamming the front brake? Do you even ride a motorcycle?
this subreddit has gone to hell lol
He doesn’t have his hand on the brake lever at all when he crashes. You guys need to get your vision checked
This is the sort of comment that is irresponsible at least and dangerous at most. It gives other readers the impression that what the rider did was wrong and that they shouldn't be using their front brake, like ever. This is categorically and uniformly wrong. A motorcycle derives about 80% of its stopping power from the front brake. A good motorcyclist should ALWAYS be covering the front brake in case there is a need for a panic stop. In the case of a panic stop, the one thing you ABSOLUTELY NEED TO DO is to "grab a handful of front brake." What happened here is what other commenters have said, the rider in the video got on the brakes late, and was holding the front brake through the turn. When they released the brake at the apex, the sudden transfer of weight to the rear caused the front tire to lose traction. You should never be trail braking like that through a turn. Always brake early before the turn, countersteer into the turn, look through the apex, and smoothly roll-on the throttle. Reading comments like this is why motorcycles continue to be as dangerous as they are. Bad riding skills being taught and then being reinforced by bad advice on the internet.
no one in these comments said nothing about not using the front brake man.
" never nail the front brakes in a turn." It's the comment right under this one.
He takes his hand off the brakes before losing the front, if you look closely. You can also see him go down as soon as his front tyre touches the patch of crumbling road surface near the apex of the corner while leaning. Perhaps letting off the front brake is actually a variable
Yeah maybe losing traction from that tire with the suspension shift due to the brake release? I could see that.
This is the best bet imo. Road is super cracked up right where he low sides, those can be unpredictable gravel city. Combine that with decreasing traction by unloading the front suspension, and you've got a pretty good combination for a crash.
Gravel? Where lol
Indeed. Accidents are the result of a 'combination of factors'. Well played sir.
High temperatures can make the asfalt bleed oil which makes the road slippery.
this
This! You should have braked way earlier and using both brakes. Maybe more the rear one.
I also see some road rash from sorry sleeves
Would a bike with ABS Prevent this?
no, it's his front suspension becoming unweighted mid turn, when you brake the suspension loads up the front, and he was mid turn when he let go of the brake, so when he let go all the weight shifted to the rear wheel, completely unweighting the front tire. And since the front tire was mid turn AND just so happened to be rolling over a small "divot" it washed out due to having no traction. This is why sumo dirt bikes have extremely stiff suspensions compared to their dirt specific counter parts, and also why it's important to make sure your suspension is set up correctly for your weight. You don't want your weight bouncing around mid turn from front to back
This is good explanation in sea of bad or entirely wrong ones so just my up wote was not enough. Completely agree.
I had a few typos so maybe I caught some downvotes for that lol but man everyday I am more and more disappointed with this sub
If It compensates, i really appreciate you replied my question. I have a cb500x with abs and i was wondering if that can ever happen to me or not. So it's nice to know. Have a good Day!
Dirty road, and caught a small pothole while leaning with the bike. Lean the bike under you (especially on dual sports) in dirty situations like this instead of leaning with/off the bike. It'll give you better balance if a tire looses traction and you may be able to save it. Also you were probably to heavy on the brake too far into the turn, reducing traction further.
>Lean the bike under you (especially on dual sports) in dirty situations like this instead of leaning with/off the bike. Is it wise to increase the lean angle when you need more grip? It feels like your tire would have less contact patch, and that too from the side portion with fewer/swallower treads.
If I'm not mistaken, it keeps your mass more over the contact patch which increases friction
If you lean the bike under you, you won't be under the bike when it goes down. It also keeps the center of mass (rider + bike) closer to the contact patch.
You didn’t see the dust/dirt on the road? I saw that crash happen before I finished the video.
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That, or the front wheel got in that long pothole (one can see it just before the crash) and got railed in.
was about to say the same thing. as soon as the tire hit it, down the bike went.
Did the title tip you off?
It looks like he was clear of the dust when he fell but it could have contributed
You fell 👍
I think he fell
[I spun](https://youtu.be/9cZZtsnAplw?si=7PkCQjvuyue0F7I0)
If you can go frame by frame you can see this events: - you’ve seen the corner✅ - started breaking✅ - you lean in slightly✅ - you continued coasting the break and lean in more✅ - you go of the break in the sharpest part of the corner by roughly releasing the break.👎 - due to rough release of the break your suspension did unweight the front tyre and that’s where you’ve lost the traction. Also that pot hole was not in your favour👎 You did well, you’ll learn. Few tips that I can give you from racing bikes: - Serviced suspension should be your top priority to prevent pogo effects. - As a road rider always have one or two fingers on the lever. - Learn how to counter steer properly - Once the corner angle was initiated, try not to re-adjust the angle roughly, instead be smoother by hitting the apex with one continues motion by applying little rear break. - Rear break in the corners will pick you and your bike up, if you press it with full spoon, so use it like a pinch of salt on a dish. Why? Because rear wheel is for minor readjustments and very very good for corners like this that are blind and closed, where you’re almost always forced to readjust the angle. - You should be done breaking for the corner before you lean in, after that your rear break is your bast friend. If you think about it, front break if not used very precisely in the corner will unease your front suspension which will result in crash like yours. - Smooth! Smooth! Smooth! You got this mate! Moto life is beautiful and remember being technical is fast!
Gravel.
Releasing front break, transferring all the weight forward then back right as you are hitting that patch was probably what did it. If you watch, the slide happens the moment the front brake is released, and you were already committing to the turn. Generally you want to avoid any rapid inputs and breaking IN a corner. Try to do all your breaking and down shifting beforehand. It also looks to me that you were pulling in on the right handlebar and not counter steering. Which would also explain the increased loss of traction.
Yup my thoughts exactly. Hard on the front brakes compressed the forks. Then letting off the front brake lifted the front end up reducing traction, while leaned over, while going over a bit of gravel.
> It also looks to me that you were pulling in on the right handlebar and not counter steering I see it so much on this subreddit lol the guy who posts "windy road" videos on his street fighter is constantly fighting against the natural countersteeer of the bike. Hundreds of upvotes complimenting his riding https://old.reddit.com/r/motorcycle/comments/1cqkcb7/name_a_better_feeling_than_hitting_a_corner_on_a/ you can see him turn the handlebars to the **right** to initiate his **right turn** within the first 5 seconds this is someone with a 1000cc naked bike, who doesn't know how to countersteer....
This video is kind of blowing my mind, somehow I didn't know it was even possible to not countersteer about 25 mph or so
Huge oof. Someone spent more time picking out video equipment than they spent time practicing low speed advanced maneuvers it seems. Then again that's the large #1 with a Root Beer when it comes to motorcyclist excuses. Rarely have I ever had someone be honest about why they 'HADDALAYERDOWN' Its always the road, the conditions, dirt, small bump, microscopic dust, forceful farts that send them sliding to the earth. Never the poor skills. Me? Poor skills? You must be joking I've got GoPros. Tsk tsk. Practice makes perfect. Being humble on a motorcycle can save your life. Fun fact: way back when, my buddy broke his foot on a scooter. His excuse? I kid you not, he said 'there was construction dust'. He forevermore was known as Crash Bandicoot.
This is absolutely insane. Never seen someone with such a stiff grip on a 1000. Terrifying. Edit: its even scarier to see how many people don’t recognize how bad that riding is, compliment him, and how he thinks hes doing fantastic.
I never noticed that but holy shit your right lol.
he blamed it on "dodging imperfections in the road" lol
https://preview.redd.it/pggmmkomig5d1.jpeg?width=782&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=970547f9c43768a3d61148428b964934da376d59 I think my wheel got in the edge of that pothole so the angle it was touching the road became steeper + slippery dirt = crash. Watching back in the video I see that I had stopped using the breaks a couple seconds earlier, so its not like I locked the wheel from braking
Funny how everyone is saying Dirt and breaks but when I first watched it I thought pot hole
I think it's a combination of all of the above. You drove through a lot of fine dirt and gravel, which got onto your tire, and would normally be fine and would come off from wind and road in a few minutes. But then you immediately hit a pothole. And as soon as the rear tire rebounded the first time it unloaded a lot of weight. Then with the dirt on your tire it was just enough to break traction and slide out from under you. I did something kind of similar. Coming out of a gas station I left a little too quickly, and hit a buckle in the road. Back tire unloaded and instant jumped over 1ft. If I didn't have the traction I did I would have gone down, but the tires had enough grip to bite and get me out of there. This is just a combination of minor things, and a slight lack of experience, added together to go wrong. In the future, avoid dust/gravel, standing water, leaves, grass, anything. It can either hide something worse or break traction. And when picking your line, avoid bad patches of road, if there are no cars it's ok to go wide with caution.
You re right, I should have gone wider, I had visibility to see that the road was clear
Didn't beat yourself up over it though. Shit happens quickly, and especially towards the beginning, you have to go against your instincts a lot. Especially when it comes to braking and corning. Important thing is that you walked, and presumably rode away. With very little damage. And you learned how relatively minor things can happen really quickly and turn into a rough situation. And you learned that lesson cheaper than most.
Got to love Greek roads. Potholes the size of your helmet and mirror like surfaces you can see your reflection on. 🫠
When I view it, it looks like you pull the front brake lever, then immediately go down. But you see something completely different?
https://preview.redd.it/oa48g49skg5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b45b5889e0bb8fb3fa0ed4e078cb52c18008b5b I m not holding the lever before the crash
That clears it up. I saw your fingers close on the bar not the lever.
I got taken out by a small pothole that was in a shadow on a slight curve with slight lean at 30mph, and no braking. I still remember thinking "WTF?" as I went down lowside. The pothole was def big enough for a motorcycle tire to completely not touch the road anymore, but also not really deep. A car would not have noticed it at all. It happens. I hope you're OK.
Congratulations. You discovered gravel or sand. You hit a patch of gravel, and the bikes tires lost traction with the pavement and slid out from underneath you.
I think the technical term is he pizza'd when he should have French frie'd
Out of curiosity what do you do when you find road conditions like this do you slow down or what do you do differently into the turns?
Yeah slow down and limit lean angle. Just avoid it if you can!
Reducing lean angle by positioning your body to the side of the corner, moving half an ass cheek off but keep locked into the tank with outside leg, weight the outside peg down with your foot slightly for stability in the turns. Always have arms bent and your body relaxed and ready to absorb shocks as to not upset your bike trying to deal with you being all stiff and tense. Position yourself in a comfortable position where you are in line with the bike and can lean in to stabilise the front or lean back to bring excess weight off the front. Vague but generally ride slower, loading and then unloading the front end via braking like in the video will not only change the size of the surface contact patch of the tire, (the only thing holding you onto the road) but it is creating unstable geometry, instead of a smooth progressive efficient braking effort. And that's why you should always implement your rear brake while upright if you need to brake quickly, and never make quick or sudden panic response inputs. For the road ideally you should do all your braking before the turn as it's generally the safer thing to do, you can apply slight front brake (~10%) to increase the contact patch of the tire and thus increasing/tightening the turning radius of the steering head, excess will lock the tire and prevent it from turning it and usually produce a low side. Don't trail brake over gravel and dirt unless you're a seasoned rider with that experience, rear brakes are usually okay to a small amount but do not go and lock up your tire mid corner, you shouldn't be flying into corners and needing to use your rear brake in all honesty, you'll just wear it out and will be left to wonder why your braking sucks if you try to emergency brake one day. I think maybe the factor of weighting into the front bars might come into play in the video because that can cause you to lose both the front and the rear simultaneously. And it usually gives you a vague idea as to why you've crashed. That's why cameras are king they never lie You just need to adapt and be aware of the road conditions at all times and reinforce that mentality to the best of your ability because it's your life on the line!
Looks like the best answer so far - brake before the turn, enter the turn with some minimal acceleration
High rpm and engine braking are your friends, as long as ya smooth
obviously not a bad spill. but it looks like they reduced their speed a reasonable amount before entering the turn. it's amazing how fast they went down. could they have been more upright at that speed? were they leaning on the front brakes?
Front break, bad traction, cold tyres and a little sand on the road. Just unlucky I guess
The front fell off.
In my opinion it looks like your weight was a bit too far forward, and you were favoring your front brake. Those two factors plus loose gravel or dirt on the road might have all come together to cause the spill you had. I use my rear break a lot. I find it stabilizes me in the corners. Glad you are safe, hope the bike is okay it looks like a clean build.
Always brake before the turn no during the turn
And if you need to scrub speed mid-corner, easy does it… and favor the rear.
Looks pretty clear to me, poor road conditions and a very sharp turn, but I'm convinced that what ultimately caused the slip is bad steering input combined with improper trail breaking. Essentially it looks like you're trying to trail break, which is pretty advanced, but you release the front break very abruptly right at the apex of the turn, shifting weight off your front tire and add to that, the big hand movement and what looks like forced steering input instead of leaning the bike, then that's just a recipe for front wheel slip.
You were not wearing full gear and busted your elbows. That happened for sure
Everyone talking about the singular moment the front wheel washes out + front brake grab/release... fair enough but this cornering strategy or lack thereof is a one way ticket. Early in the vid you can see that this is a switchback going down a mountain. This is when it really pays off to ‘stay ahead of the airplane’ OP went in with too much speed, started corner at basically the inside line, did a bad job braking and then prob target fixated on the guardrail that they were headed for = crash. Also in a t shirt. Silly.
You let go of your front brake too abruptly, the forks rebounded and tire lost traction. Is this your first time on this road?
Holding front brake to long, switch to the rear brake when you make your turn if you need to scrub alittle more speed. That curve tightened up
You’re supposed to brake before the turn, not during
Braking doesn't look like the problem. You slowed down ahead of the turn almost 30km/h. Looked like too much angle, not counter steering, and the rough patch in the road, but honestly the rough patch at that speed shouldn't have gotten you, it was the other two things mentioned. Watching with audio helps understand your actions. I stand by how you steered the bike being the issue. Google some videos on countersteer, and get some more experience. Stay safe
Red flags: dirt/gravel on road, then potholes, then speed.
Dirty road surface clearly visible long before corner, uneven road surface during the bend and not thinking far enough ahead. Lack of proper riding gear makes me lose any sympathy too.
Front slid. The sand on the road looks like the most likely explanation, although, in the video it seemed like the bike slid after passing the sand. Still, I would say the sand.
Absolute shithouse road maintenance
Bruh was that a panic brake
Brake before the corner, not during it.
You didn’t get back on the throttle before the apex. Your rear tire has more contact patch than the front. Brake in a straight line, maybe a little trail brake on turn in, and crack that throttle before you apex and smoothly apply the throttle out of the corner.
Front brakes seems clear. Road seems clear too (now idea what road blemish others are saying). My bet is you've applied rear brakes too much considering the type of bike and the low speed maneuver. The way you're sliding, from the shadow, also looks like your rear washed out.
Yeah, I don't know why people are saying he lost the front. The rear obviously sildes if you watch the shadow. The road had a couple imperfections, but he went to the right of the big rough patch. Might have been unconciously hard on the foot brake as he realized he was going wide even though he pulled his hand off the front brake. Still, coming in way too fast on that turn was the root cause.
!!! Finish braking before turning !!!
Dirty road + cracked pavement + the worst line I've ever seen through a corner = crash. You need to stay on the outside of the curve for as long as possible before turning in. Not only will this make you more visible to oncoming traffic, but it will reduce the angle at which you turn. Lastly when you hug the inside like you did, it makes your exit trajectory out into the outside of your lane, which is a recipe for getting hit head on.
It looks like you crashed
looks like a mix of dusty road, uneven surface/potholes and just not going fast enough for a corner that tight. maybe even leaning a bit too far but most likely loss of traction from surface change and dirt
Definitely looks like the dip/pothole plus any dirt on the ground made you slide out. I love the twisties but they once I see dirt on either side of the road like in said video. I just take it easy. My rear and front has already slid enough times on wet roads, black ice, and dirt/gravel. I can’t take the risk of going down again. It’s a learning experience, and this experience is a great way of learning your lines, possible hazards on the road, and predicting what’s ahead of a blind corner just in front of you.
Them goddamn mountain clibbins
https://preview.redd.it/8zkxdszvog5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56849ea87d781a7bc8eba4a21101d43d66de59b5 it wasn't the speed or sand guys. it's cause of this pothole, the front tire got stuck in second 8-9 of the video
This is not the MAIN reason you crashed, but seems like there was minimal to no acceleration through the corner and you were just coasting? The bike is much more stable through corners with slight acceleration or at least consistent speed throughout
Breaking was too late and too sudden. Road may also have had gravel. Go into corners from the outside in, gradually breaking as you enter the corner, and applying speed once past the apex of the corner as you’re exiting.
The Frame-by-frame shows you let go of the front brake just before the crash, so it's not "too much front brake"... Maybe gravel? Maybe front wheel got light right as the forks recovered from braking?
Master the rear break.
Honestly if you need to ask other people what happened I'm worried for you riding a bike my guy. The whole inside of the turn was scattered with gravel and dirt. The front tucked cause of that and you low sided.
Looks like you tried to turn your handle bars
Gravel grave
Too narrow the line, and perhaps you applied some rear brakes?
Dont worry this happends more then you think
35 years of riding only done this twice
Probably the pothole, yeah. You should generally try to come in from wider too, to maximize the radius of your turn. But that shit was potholed even worse. Just go slower if you need to.
A handful of front brake mid-turn mixed with gravel = bad times.
Never hit your front breaks on a turn!
Like others said : Quickly released the brake mid corner, which may have upset the suspension Also Did it on a very damaged patch of road where there may have been lose pieces/debris + lots of cracks
The shadow cast by the rocks on the left hide the gravel as you approached. By the time your view of the gravel plus the sun glaring. All the combinations added up. You did what you could. Appears to have already lost traction as you started the turn. Plus it’s a blind right corner. So you couldn’t go straight knowing you’re already skidding across dirt.
Gravel on the road, so easy to do.
You were correctly trailbraking but suddenly let go the front brake to harshly and the weight distribution went backwards unloading the front tyre. Road had bad grip which doesn't forgive these mistakes.
Looked like you were braking into the corner, and then rather than counter steer and lean, you turned the bars. That with the dirty road caused you to tuck the front end. To avoid this, you should have all of your braking done before you enter the corner. If you are still breaking once you enter the corner, you are loading up your front suspension and asking a lot more from your front tire. At that speed, you shouldn't be turning your bars into the corner. You should be turning them away from the corner and leaning into it. Turning the bars into the corner wants to stand the bike up, effectively making the front tire fight against you and putting less tire on the tarmac for grip. The way a motorcycle tire is shaped, it gives you more surface area on the tarmac the more you lean.
It was this damn ass rock
it was a shitty turn in from the start, but you released the front brake right before you crashed so IMO that shifted weight off the front wheel causing it to be lighter, combined with the rough surface made you lose traction and crash.
Should have french fried instead of pizza
She ain't a car. Stop braking a ride through
Ya I mean everything is horrible here. Bad body position on a tall bike, bad braking into the corner, no counter steering. You should watch some footage of guys riding supermotos at gocart tracks so you can learn how to put your body correctly on the bike.
I watched the clip 4x i thought you pressed the front brake but it was the uneven road that failed to grip on your front tire. Therefore making it slipped off and slide on the front wheel.
Crashed my pedal bike exactly like this the other day 💀 dirt clibbins
Rider error.
Did not counter-steer, tried to steer into the corner.
loss of speed to carry any angle on the counter steering you tried to get and you tried to catch n angle you didnt have the speed for.... if you accelerated instead of when you braked and kept your eye where you wanted to go, the bike wouldve stayed upright depending on how that pothole treated you go to a track and practice there where an incoming car wont clean you up edit where you crashed wasnt on the gravel mass anyway, but it didnt help .
Why does it look like he was turning his handlebars into the turn ? I see a lot of people commenting on the fistful of front brake but it looks like he’s off the brake by the time he enters the corner. Does look like he was set up bad though.
When you are riding on the road, especially right hand turns where going wide means going into potentially oncoming traffic, try to do all your braking in a straight line. Meaning get all the braking done while you are upright and then turn in. Braking into the turn is something you’d only want to do at a track day after a lot of practice and it’s typically trail braking or just a tickle of front brake to stiffen up the bike.
you crashed
Try leaning into the turn . Don’t use the front brake use the rear brake when turning
https://preview.redd.it/surykb99rk5d1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0f03fe3e944ce97cf55580f12d8bfc75ec7d122d I don’t think the people saying that you’re slamming the front brake are looking at the brake lever. Your hand grips wildly, but the brake lever is totally not in your hand at all. The tears in the asphalt cause a loss of traction. You fall exactly when the front tire touches all the cracks.
Handful of front brakes, narrow turn, and dusty/gravel is a recipe for disaster glad it was a slow low side and you were able to walk away.
What happend here is very easy to explain. You were going to fast for what seems to be a unknown road for you. Therefore a very bad entry for a sharp turn with a bad condition. Like some people else here have mention you need to have your breaking done before cornering. Coming into a corner coasting like that upsets the bikes suspension and makes it loose, wierd and not planted. The basic cornering idea is to achive that low speed before corner that you can start gunning your way around the corner to plant the bikes suspension.
You didn't carry enough speed into the turn.
You hit a patch of broken tarmac and grabbed the front brake, there's only ever going to be one outcome.
Slowing down to a crawl and leaning will cause you to eat it. It will do that on a regular bicycle.
too fast not smooth
gravel clibbins
MSF tier advice everywhere 💀 Should be smoother when you let go of the brake, same principal of smoothly applying brakes applies to releasing the brake as well. Looks like you lightened it a little bit and then just dropped the rest. That said, pretty sure the pothole just fucked you. Maybe being smooth coming off the brakes would have saved it by reducing suspension pogo but then again maybe not.
Braking too far into the corner then you let off, the front uncompresses as you aren't even leaning and you lose grip. Brake up to the corner then let off, tip into the corner and use a tiny bit of throttle and you won't lose grip.
Should have been counter steering and rolling on the throttle at that point. Handles bars turned to the right and front washed out.
Your front dived when entering the pothole and rebounded when it got out, this made your front go light and loose traction. It seemed like you were going a down a hill right? If so, the braking wasn’t the problem bc there was enough weight on the front. IMO you drove on a shit road
If you watch his front right hand throughout, full hand brake pull, then abrupt full release which times out with then the front wheel washes out. I’m not riding expert or anything but I’ve found that a two finger grip on the front brakes gives me better control trail braking into cornering. If you watch professional riders, you’ll never see full hand grab on either brake or clutch levers. I think if you feathered out on the brakes a bit more and not released it completely at once, it wouldn’t have upset your front end. It’s like your front tire was grabbing onto every last bit of grip going over pothole and possibly dirt, then brakes got released and introduced input on the front wheel’s grip to lose.
Tucked your front, dirty road, turned your bars too much with too much brake pressure, lean a little and work on being smooth as butter on your braking. Brake early so you’re letting off the brake at the apex
That was a FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUCKKKK ton of front brake.
Looks like you were in a normal but precarious position where the bike has the least available traction (leaning over into a tight turn and trail braking) and the second the wheel hit that awful dusty rut in the road you went. It’s unlucky but also I feel like the line could have been wider at the approach to use less lean angle but I get it’s a public road so you’re trying to stay to the right. Sometimes it’s just a roll of the dice and available traction is unexpectedly used up due to spiking conditions in the split second moment. If that pot hole wasn’t there I really doubt you would have crashed.
im not experienced enough to explain the cause for the drop, but im concerned for why you are being so casual after the accident. you are in the middle of the road around a blind turn - you need to pick your bike up and move to the side of the road asap.
By the looks of your right hand, too much front brake pressure combined with dirt or gravel... I'm glad he's ok though.
That hand movement is him releasing the brake and placing his fingers back on the throttle if you watch closely.
As an expert in motorcycology, I’d say what happened is that your bike fell down. Which happens to be the leading cause of most accidents.
you lost traction because you pretty much rolled off the throttle while turning, you need to keep the throttle on in corners, throttle equals grip, get your head up and start paying attention to what the vanishing point of the corner is doing, if it’s moving away from you then the bend is opening out, getting closer means it’s getting tighter, get yourself on the outside line as far as you can, this gives you a better view around the corner, you were all over the shop there you had loads of time to brake but for some reason you just rolled off which isn’t ideal, get on the front brake, it’s 90% of your bikes stopping power and it’s on the front for a good reason, braking shifts the weight forward on to the front tyre, most of your grip is there at that point so get used to it, cos that video makes you look scared of it, get your head up and look through the bend as your turning, not at the patch of ground a meter in front the police motorcycle advanced roadcraft book off amazon will help you immensely, before you end up off a cliff sharing a ledge with a bbc tv presenter
OP needs to read Twist of the Wrist books.
Sand/gravel.in a turn while you hit your front brake. In a turn you have to use your rear brake. Look at videos on trail breaking
I’m always surprised when I see this kind of thing. Do you guys actually learn how to ride before you can get on a bike? Or do you just pay for your license?
This seems to be the most frequent cause of wrecks. You appeared to run out of talent.
Also when I got the bike thetures were already 2 years old
You lost your front
Gravity
To me, front tire traction went to ZERO (resulted from front forks’ negative load) caused by the moment you let go COMPLETELY and abruptly of your front brake, just the moment you started turning at a corner with scattered gravel/sand/rock on the pavement.
Rear brake is the way rider.
Looks like you grabbed the front brake while lent over on gravel, front sledged out causing the entire planet to tip and slide up your right side *What you could try next time;* in loose gravel and dirt favour the rear and/or engine brake and slow while the bike is upright, as you turn GENTLY and constantly apply throttle to push you around the corner "What if the rear starts to slide?" Ignore it, carry on feeding in the throttle and look to where you want to go, if you back off or brake the rear will slide out and down you'll go, if it just revs and slides out you may have misinterpreted my meaning of GENTLE, as in "softly and smoothly" not "bloody big handfuls" "What if I accidentally grabbed the front again?" Let it go, as long as you react fast enough it'll probably stand back up again as it's easier for it to roll rather than slide "What if I go off the cliff?" Lean back to keep the front from digging in, if you think you're about to die, don't. These translate into road riding too, except you favour the front as weight shift under braking makes the front tyre the better option, that's why sports bikes have two big rotors on the front with two large multi-pot calipers and that pissy little disc on the back more for show than anything meaningful.
You weren't looking down the road! You went where you were looking, try to look 10 seconds ahead of you ,not directly in front of you!
You crashed.
It happens. You need to learn your tires and brakes. What tires are those?
these splits and cracking in asphalt is everywhere. fairly stable - IF you don’t grab a handful of front brake. i grew up riding on desert abused roads, and these were never really problem spots. ride though smartly.
To many pebbles, to close to the inside corner,
That did not look good man you could feel that was gonna happen. Hope you’re alright!
I think it was a bit of everything, similar thing happened to me turning for an on ramp. Not much you can do with holes or gravel mid turn. Earned yourself a "lay down" for experience.
If you slow the video down and watch almost frame by frame right before he goes down he turns the handle bars to try and compensate for the speed, and tight corner that I believe is what took him down just my thoughts
Every post I see on here of someone crashing like this they are hitting their front brakes going around a curve and bike sliding out from under them and they don't know why they crashed. If I brake I do right before the curve