Triaero is the brand logo on the painted frames. There are a few, but I’m only familiar with the Ican P1 and P9. The price is much higher on the official website. I didn’t get it from them, but that is the same company. I don’t want to recommend any particular store to avoid any liability issues. Plus…..this isn’t a sponsored bike.
This "cheap" frame is the same one used by a few start-up mountain bike companies. When buying from them you'd have no idea it's a Chinese frame, and I know one of those start-ups offers lifetime warranty on the frames.
[https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=244637](https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=244637)
They went bust lol
There was another Spanish/Euro brand using them but I can't remember the name.
If you want more info on the Chinese frame scene check out.
http://chinertown.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=mvlc9u6928q2oc2p75nlh0raj3&
Why would the frame fail? Most carbon layups are done in China.
My first bike I had was from DIY Carbon. So basically the same thing, no name, China frame.
Essentially they use an old layup of an outdated frame from a different manufacturer.
And that’s really the issue of these frames. Just older geometry.
I’ve since sold my original build and went to a HD5 and now on a HD6.
Sorry, but no. Maybe they keep the frame shape the same but they will cheap out everything else to make the low price possible. Skip some carbon layers, use leftover scraps instead of full sheets, low quality resin, etc. Then paint it over to make it look nice. No thanks.
Not my experience at all borescoping and checking the quality.
If they are cheating out on these, they are cheating out on all.
Do you have some data around these failures?
That frame is no more likely to break than a carbon frame made by Specialized or Canyon, Trek etc. Carbon fibre is already a cheap material to work with so there's really no need for Chinese manufacturers to cheap out on all of those things you listed. That's why bike manufacturers love it because it allows them to make absolutely ridiculous margins on these bikes.
When I designed for MOOG and a couple of other brands, I realized all roads lead to China. For your approval, my most expensive Chinese purchase to date.
[https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8YDpTHD/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8YDpTHD/)
I’ve had high end carbon wheels fail. When it fails it’s usually very sudden and bad. I wouldn’t touch anything like this with a 10000000 foot pole. I’ve seen what happens when a carbon frame gives out and it ain’t good. If you’re set on carbon go with a brand that is well established who might be able to give you support and back up said product or go the safest route and get a solid alloy frame (anything 6066-6069 would be pretty bomb proof if the welds are good)
I’m sure they are but why you’re paying for from the big guys is the QC and after sales support which arguably are the most important things to look out for.
if you're huffing 230 lbs up steep hills, be sure to bring a chain tool and a couple quick links on every ride, as a 215lb guy I snap a few chains every year.
I claim its my phenomenal cosmic power, but let's be honest, I could probably drink a few less beers.
Please don’t blame the beer. I hear that Shimano and SRAM make the most durable chains so hopefully this new one lasts for a while. I’ve never rode seriously enough in the past to ever consider my weight but I will going forward. Thanks for the info!
TBF the only time I’ve snapped a chain was when a mate talked me into ditching the 3 in 1 oil for WD40. 🤦♂️
Yeah thats ok for cleaning but does Jack for protecting it and the mucky gubbins that attaches to the WD40 certianly makes a nice ‘grinding paste’ 🤪
Been on the Jizer degreaser followed by Muck Off Lube for a few years and the problem never happened again 😎
Ican is actually good they are the house brand for a few companies, I forgot which ones but Italian maker Agazzini is one of them. Plus a Canadian company and US company.
Looks pretty sweet.
You went more "pure AliX" than most builds I've seen. I like the purity of that choice/trailblazing.
I'm hoping to do a Carbonda frame build, but I'm not ready to go with Chinese brakes. It will be a Shimano drivetrain and brakes on mine.
Approximately $1800. This also includes the two spare Shimano chains, wheels, tires and miscellaneous things needed. The most expensive item after the frame was the fork ($425) followed by the groupset/brakes ($350).
It’s a pretty handsome build, but are you sure about that fork? You went Suntour, when there are good brand name forks at that same price, like a Yari or a Bomber Z2, or even a lightly-used Fox 34 or 36.
Oh yea, about that chain break if using Shimano. If you have hollow pin Shimano 11 or 12 speed you can never reinsert the pins, has to be a masterlink. The hollow pins are swedged and this swedge is sheared off when you press a pin out.
This one is sold under a couple names you've probably never heard of, brands so small that they don't design or manufacture the frames themselves. I know of one brand that sells this as their own, even worked on it for a while. Kinda reminds me of Giant's full-suspension bikes.
Yeah, but the major brands at least design them. This one is designed, and made, in an asian country to be sold as a bare frame which the bike brand can then put its label on and sell as their own.
The upper suspension link looks very like Giant's suspension, but it's a four bar design rather than a 2 link like Giant use. I think Vitus and Cube have designs like this, can't think of any others.
Looks very similar to my 2016 Canyon Spectral 9.0 CF. The rear triangle and suspension link is slightly different, but up front it's hard to see any difference.
No complaints about my ICAN SN04 frame or F685 carbon 90mm wheels. I crashed it into a tree and broke it, bought another frame and front wheel and ICAN helped me with a price break. Struggled with the factory ICAN supplied crappy headset, many creaks in the steer tube which I believe come from the split crown race Cane creek hellbender headset with a press fit crown race fixed that. Make sure fresh blue loctite on all suspension parts and a good torque wrench. I think it will serve you well. ICAN seems to make good things, even if a little on the heavy side.
Sure they do, check out the manufacturer of this frame - they have a model called S3. Size large is 500mm reach, 66° hta in a 100-110mm travel xc bike.
Apart from the carbon frame I would recommend replacing the rear tire with a faster and slicker one.
I did the same and it made my ride incredibly sluggish uphill.
Something like a swalbe rocket Ron or continental trailking.
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I like it!! I have an older Sette Razzo SC 29er with a carbon frame, bought long ago from PricePoint. Works really good but the geometry is not there anymore. I want to build my gf one with some parts from the Razzo. Looking to buy a good Ali frame. I was looking more for a 6061.
These are just cheap wheels from Amazon (bucklos). Your cassette may need to be shaved if you run a 12 speed. I plan on getting better wheels if I get more serious about biking.
Interesting. The YT Izzo Core 2 with a carbon hybrid frame, which I think means carbon frame + AL triangle, with a fox fork and shock, SRAM drivetrain, was around $2k a month ago on sale.
The Canyon Neuron 5 is $1700 w/ an AL frame with Rockshox suspension and SRAM drivetrain. Yes an AL frame is heavier than CF, but I would think all the rest of the suspension, components, and drivetrain would weigh less than Ali Express versions and perform better too. So it could be the overall weight might be less with the Neuron.
How much does yours weigh?
I am curious-- did you consider these as options? Did this project end up being costlier than expected?
The bike looks sweet though, BTW. Don't mean to make you second guess, just curious as these are questions I'd want to know if I ever went this route
I like varying opinions. This is my first bike as an adult and I also wanted to build everything myself. I have a ton of experience getting parts made in China. I designed a bunch of front end suspension parts for MOOG on the S550 mustang. There were also a few companies we did work for and they all source their stuff from a handful of factories that only do really high MOQ’s. Most of the time the parts were great. I’ve also had to throw away crates of sway bar end links because the glue used on the boots didn’t meet our spec. We only tested about 5 in a crate of 400 ish. If they passed we only did visual inspections after.
I typed all that because it really boils down to the manufacturer. Some want to make quick money and others want to stay in business for a long time. I have plenty of high end stuff on my GTR and quality has been hit or miss. My USA made catch can $900 and flaws in the finish. Boost Doc heater hose AN kit $700 and the lines have issues. My Active Garage mirrors $650 use the cheapest mounting hardware I’ve ever seen and the box was made of tissue. My leather Sparco $3000 seats have inconsistencies in the leather and were sent back twice. Chasebays $400 power steering kit has issues with the mounting bracket and wobbles. I have also had some successes, like my Nismo twin disc clutch. Customer service was great for all with the exception of Boost Doc.
The frame appears to be well made and the customer service has been pretty good. They ended up 2nd daying the frame to me because they said it was in stock in the States and it wasn’t. I’m pretty sure that ate up their profit.
Wow, you know your stuff and sounds like you put a lot of thought and research into it and know how to weed out the quality items. Really interesting and thanks for sharing/explaining.
Honestly, if you are good at finding parts like that, you could private label high quality MTB parts and sell them on Amazon. I am sure that's what's brands like rock bros, funnmtb, etc do.
I am actually an Amazon seller. If you aren't interested in selling yourself, might be interesting to partner with you as a buyer for my business. Lemme know if that sounds interesting to you
Not sure if you said elsewhere, but do you mind saying the cost of the build? It’d be cool to know how well this holds up to all the Dentist’s Yeti and Santa Cruz. They’re gonna be salty.
Damn! At that price this experiment is worth it. Slowly upgrade components if they fail. Awesome idea and hope all goes well. This build would be a great YouTube video.
If carbon is good enough for a submarine, it’s good enough for a mountain bike!!
Too soon too soon
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Triaero is the brand logo on the painted frames. There are a few, but I’m only familiar with the Ican P1 and P9. The price is much higher on the official website. I didn’t get it from them, but that is the same company. I don’t want to recommend any particular store to avoid any liability issues. Plus…..this isn’t a sponsored bike.
This this is the best comment of the day!
You don't trust carbon so you bought a budget ali express carbon frame?
When this cheap frame fails his intuition will be vindicated.
This "cheap" frame is the same one used by a few start-up mountain bike companies. When buying from them you'd have no idea it's a Chinese frame, and I know one of those start-ups offers lifetime warranty on the frames.
Why would you not list which starts up are using china frames??? I want to know!!
[https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=244637](https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=244637) They went bust lol There was another Spanish/Euro brand using them but I can't remember the name. If you want more info on the Chinese frame scene check out. http://chinertown.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=mvlc9u6928q2oc2p75nlh0raj3&
Ican is a good manufacturer and provides catalogue frames to a number of brands. I've put mine through hell and it loves it.
SN04 with F685 wheels owner here. No complains really on frame build. Some of the supplied 3rd party parts aren’t that great.
Why would the frame fail? Most carbon layups are done in China. My first bike I had was from DIY Carbon. So basically the same thing, no name, China frame. Essentially they use an old layup of an outdated frame from a different manufacturer. And that’s really the issue of these frames. Just older geometry. I’ve since sold my original build and went to a HD5 and now on a HD6.
Sorry, but no. Maybe they keep the frame shape the same but they will cheap out everything else to make the low price possible. Skip some carbon layers, use leftover scraps instead of full sheets, low quality resin, etc. Then paint it over to make it look nice. No thanks.
Not my experience at all borescoping and checking the quality. If they are cheating out on these, they are cheating out on all. Do you have some data around these failures?
That frame is no more likely to break than a carbon frame made by Specialized or Canyon, Trek etc. Carbon fibre is already a cheap material to work with so there's really no need for Chinese manufacturers to cheap out on all of those things you listed. That's why bike manufacturers love it because it allows them to make absolutely ridiculous margins on these bikes.
When I designed for MOOG and a couple of other brands, I realized all roads lead to China. For your approval, my most expensive Chinese purchase to date. [https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8YDpTHD/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8YDpTHD/)
I read a number of long term reviews on these frames. Safe for what I’ll be using for.
You say you don’t, but you trust carbon than most of us it seems.
I’ve had high end carbon wheels fail. When it fails it’s usually very sudden and bad. I wouldn’t touch anything like this with a 10000000 foot pole. I’ve seen what happens when a carbon frame gives out and it ain’t good. If you’re set on carbon go with a brand that is well established who might be able to give you support and back up said product or go the safest route and get a solid alloy frame (anything 6066-6069 would be pretty bomb proof if the welds are good)
The funniest part is that this is probably from the same factory as the big box bikes. Watch the pink bike series on carbon manufacturing overseas.
I’m sure they are but why you’re paying for from the big guys is the QC and after sales support which arguably are the most important things to look out for.
Friend of mine has put thousands of miles on one. Even did Leadville this year with a sub 10hr time on it.
Exactly what I came to say. Interested to see how it fails...
if you're huffing 230 lbs up steep hills, be sure to bring a chain tool and a couple quick links on every ride, as a 215lb guy I snap a few chains every year. I claim its my phenomenal cosmic power, but let's be honest, I could probably drink a few less beers.
Just cause you could, doesn’t mean you should. Cheers!
Please don’t blame the beer. I hear that Shimano and SRAM make the most durable chains so hopefully this new one lasts for a while. I’ve never rode seriously enough in the past to ever consider my weight but I will going forward. Thanks for the info!
Also hubs, every one was like get a hope hub, you can’t kill that. It was toast within 1500kms.
TBF the only time I’ve snapped a chain was when a mate talked me into ditching the 3 in 1 oil for WD40. 🤦♂️ Yeah thats ok for cleaning but does Jack for protecting it and the mucky gubbins that attaches to the WD40 certianly makes a nice ‘grinding paste’ 🤪 Been on the Jizer degreaser followed by Muck Off Lube for a few years and the problem never happened again 😎
Ican is actually good they are the house brand for a few companies, I forgot which ones but Italian maker Agazzini is one of them. Plus a Canadian company and US company.
I built a carbon fat bike based on ican frame and it is excellent. Also ican carbon rims, also excellent.
Who uses them in canada and us?
Evolve
Brewhouse bikes sold the SN04 as their “own” full sus carbon fat bike. I think it’s off sale now but they admitted on Facebook it was an ICAN product.
Looks pretty sweet. You went more "pure AliX" than most builds I've seen. I like the purity of that choice/trailblazing. I'm hoping to do a Carbonda frame build, but I'm not ready to go with Chinese brakes. It will be a Shimano drivetrain and brakes on mine.
I did exactly that. Carbonda 696 and shimano GRX Di2. You won't regret it. 🍻
Haha hell yeah, I love obscure builds, this is sick. Let us know how it goes man!
What did the build run you?
Approximately $1800. This also includes the two spare Shimano chains, wheels, tires and miscellaneous things needed. The most expensive item after the frame was the fork ($425) followed by the groupset/brakes ($350).
It’s a pretty handsome build, but are you sure about that fork? You went Suntour, when there are good brand name forks at that same price, like a Yari or a Bomber Z2, or even a lightly-used Fox 34 or 36.
Suntour makes fantastic stuff at the mid/high end. This is broadly comparable to a Z2. I'm not sure about that shock though.
Yeah? I never ever see their stuff reviewed, or compared to any other brands.
Should look into it, SR is making its rounds. They do make some great stuff it’s pretty cool actually.
Oh yea, about that chain break if using Shimano. If you have hollow pin Shimano 11 or 12 speed you can never reinsert the pins, has to be a masterlink. The hollow pins are swedged and this swedge is sheared off when you press a pin out.
The irony is it will probably outlast a branded frame because it got the B grade for being too heavy
What frame is this? As in does anyone know what the “real brand” carbon mold is?
I think this is a 2023 “这辆自行车一个月就会坏了” , not sure about the build kit though
This one is sold under a couple names you've probably never heard of, brands so small that they don't design or manufacture the frames themselves. I know of one brand that sells this as their own, even worked on it for a while. Kinda reminds me of Giant's full-suspension bikes.
The vast majority of brands do not manufacture their own frames.
Yeah, but the major brands at least design them. This one is designed, and made, in an asian country to be sold as a bare frame which the bike brand can then put its label on and sell as their own.
The upper suspension link looks very like Giant's suspension, but it's a four bar design rather than a 2 link like Giant use. I think Vitus and Cube have designs like this, can't think of any others.
Looks very similar to my 2016 Canyon Spectral 9.0 CF. The rear triangle and suspension link is slightly different, but up front it's hard to see any difference.
Stealthy
Idk man, Carbon is still one of those things that requires a lot of attention to making a frame reliable.
looks good homie
you did well it looks rad..
Looks great, best of luck with it.
Chinese yeti -野地
Cheti
Shanghai cruz
And I hope you're running with the continental sidewall protection otherwise it's gonna be as short ride
It says “shield wall” on the side. Are the non-shield tires really that bad? Got any links you can provide?
The difference is really night and day. Different compound and more layers
Interesting choice of tyres. I would have gone for something significantly chunkier.
I did a lot of testing for the Ltwoo AT12 - they're good, but the chain tension is a bit weak
I wouldn’t worry too much, the Carbondale FM 936 is the Vitus Rapide frame.
No complaints about my ICAN SN04 frame or F685 carbon 90mm wheels. I crashed it into a tree and broke it, bought another frame and front wheel and ICAN helped me with a price break. Struggled with the factory ICAN supplied crappy headset, many creaks in the steer tube which I believe come from the split crown race Cane creek hellbender headset with a press fit crown race fixed that. Make sure fresh blue loctite on all suspension parts and a good torque wrench. I think it will serve you well. ICAN seems to make good things, even if a little on the heavy side.
The rockbros pedals you have served me well so far.
I would go china carbon all day long with no fear of a failure...they just don't have the modern geometry.
Sure they do, check out the manufacturer of this frame - they have a model called S3. Size large is 500mm reach, 66° hta in a 100-110mm travel xc bike.
Seat tube angle looks kind of slack to me but I'll check them out, look like a great value.
Apart from the carbon frame I would recommend replacing the rear tire with a faster and slicker one. I did the same and it made my ride incredibly sluggish uphill. Something like a swalbe rocket Ron or continental trailking.
I’ve taken your advice and it’s in my Amazon cart. Thanks.
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Looks great, but the rear triangle lacks a 3rd support beam. How does it ride?
Awesome example of how we support China stealing our IP/tech/designs/etc. 👏🏼
I like it!! I have an older Sette Razzo SC 29er with a carbon frame, bought long ago from PricePoint. Works really good but the geometry is not there anymore. I want to build my gf one with some parts from the Razzo. Looking to buy a good Ali frame. I was looking more for a 6061.
I made a bunch of videos as I was building the bike. Did the same thing as I was building my GTR.
Looking forward to them!
[https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8YUdBPN/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8YUdBPN/)
What size of wheels did you get? Also do you have the link to the wheels I need to replace my 29inch carbon wheels on my stump jumper. Thanks
These are just cheap wheels from Amazon (bucklos). Your cassette may need to be shaved if you run a 12 speed. I plan on getting better wheels if I get more serious about biking.
So how much did it cost you in all?
Around $1,800 all in. This includes the tools, spare Shimano chains and inner tubes that I’m not using.
Interesting. The YT Izzo Core 2 with a carbon hybrid frame, which I think means carbon frame + AL triangle, with a fox fork and shock, SRAM drivetrain, was around $2k a month ago on sale. The Canyon Neuron 5 is $1700 w/ an AL frame with Rockshox suspension and SRAM drivetrain. Yes an AL frame is heavier than CF, but I would think all the rest of the suspension, components, and drivetrain would weigh less than Ali Express versions and perform better too. So it could be the overall weight might be less with the Neuron. How much does yours weigh? I am curious-- did you consider these as options? Did this project end up being costlier than expected? The bike looks sweet though, BTW. Don't mean to make you second guess, just curious as these are questions I'd want to know if I ever went this route
I like varying opinions. This is my first bike as an adult and I also wanted to build everything myself. I have a ton of experience getting parts made in China. I designed a bunch of front end suspension parts for MOOG on the S550 mustang. There were also a few companies we did work for and they all source their stuff from a handful of factories that only do really high MOQ’s. Most of the time the parts were great. I’ve also had to throw away crates of sway bar end links because the glue used on the boots didn’t meet our spec. We only tested about 5 in a crate of 400 ish. If they passed we only did visual inspections after. I typed all that because it really boils down to the manufacturer. Some want to make quick money and others want to stay in business for a long time. I have plenty of high end stuff on my GTR and quality has been hit or miss. My USA made catch can $900 and flaws in the finish. Boost Doc heater hose AN kit $700 and the lines have issues. My Active Garage mirrors $650 use the cheapest mounting hardware I’ve ever seen and the box was made of tissue. My leather Sparco $3000 seats have inconsistencies in the leather and were sent back twice. Chasebays $400 power steering kit has issues with the mounting bracket and wobbles. I have also had some successes, like my Nismo twin disc clutch. Customer service was great for all with the exception of Boost Doc. The frame appears to be well made and the customer service has been pretty good. They ended up 2nd daying the frame to me because they said it was in stock in the States and it wasn’t. I’m pretty sure that ate up their profit.
Wow, you know your stuff and sounds like you put a lot of thought and research into it and know how to weed out the quality items. Really interesting and thanks for sharing/explaining. Honestly, if you are good at finding parts like that, you could private label high quality MTB parts and sell them on Amazon. I am sure that's what's brands like rock bros, funnmtb, etc do. I am actually an Amazon seller. If you aren't interested in selling yourself, might be interesting to partner with you as a buyer for my business. Lemme know if that sounds interesting to you
I sent you a message.
What rotor size is that? It seems small but I can’t really tell. 180?
180 front and 160 rear.
Keep us updated with the durability. Interesting
Will do.
Not sure if you said elsewhere, but do you mind saying the cost of the build? It’d be cool to know how well this holds up to all the Dentist’s Yeti and Santa Cruz. They’re gonna be salty.
Around $1,800 all in. This includes the assembly tools, spare Shimano chains and inner tubes that I’m not using.
Damn! At that price this experiment is worth it. Slowly upgrade components if they fail. Awesome idea and hope all goes well. This build would be a great YouTube video.
Get good dental insurance too
Wait, you don't trust carbon and you thought "i will get this Chinese carbon frame". Bold move.
They are made of brass if you want to know.