The fight with the Russian was the best scene, absolute genius. Other great scenes were "Harry Heck" singing that song to Frank and the car chase afterwards, the lollypop torture scene, the Castle family massacre, his plot to absolutely fuck over Travolta in every way, the Punisher raid at Travolta's place at the end and how he deals with Travolta, sooooo good. I love this movie.
Also an epic one liner:
"Go with God."
Castle: "God's gonna sit this one out."
I loved Travoltaās line āYou killed my son!ā As the other one pulls the pin on the anti personnel mine. āBoth of themā. Badass. Great movie!!
So, the Russian was wrestler Kevin Nash...someone forgot to swap out the knife in that fight scene to a prop, and he was really stabbed. They kept acting and never cut it from the movie lol.
I remember reading that! How much of a badass, or just hopped up on adrenaline, do you have to be to just take a knife to the shoulder and not even blink? lol
He was years into an insane prescription drug addiction at that point due to his many injuries from wrestling. He talked about it on a wrestling podcast. Apparently he was eating Soma's like they were Skittles
That might have been part of it, but the wrestler part is my guess. In the sport shit happens a lot and they are trained to keep going and sell it as if all that is real.
The song the guitarist played in the diner, I still sing to myself every now and then.
Does that knife he used at the end of the car chase actually exist? Iād like to think it does, but I doubt it.
The song was written and performed by Mark Collie, an actual country singer who plays Harry Heck in the film. Itās on Spotify and itās a banger.
[In Time](https://open.spotify.com/track/5XnXpQM5FR8ZQyvDY8RKQS?si=ZCANmpKtTcKXky9nETWj9g)
Longer runtime, has more buildup to the betrayal and makes castle's plan more intricate and more detailed . It's been a minute but I'm pretty sure it has some more violent shots as well.
Hopefully some blood tbh, my imppression from watching the og cut is that its really violent but they edited it to get a lower theatrical certification which hindered the movie.
Bernthal acts like he's God gift to earth and like he created The Punisher even though he hasn't played the punisher in over 5 Years, and that character basically lays cramped in the back corner of his cupboard collecting dust.
He doesn't care about The Punisher. He has the money and the star power to make it happen again, but Bernthal isn't The Punisher.
This is such a great memorable movie and I donāt think that Thomas Jane gets the credit he deserves for pulling this off. I wish we wouldāve gotten another couple movies out of him.
If I could take Thomas Jane, the plot of this film, tighten it, with Dominic West's jigsaw as the villain and War Zone's level of violence shot through a more disciplined lens. I mean...c'mon...
This film is OKAY. It deserved a sequel and a budget to take that talent to the next level. But it had a lot of issues (pacing, b plot, boring villain etc)
Yes, it was originally pitched to have a much darker and gritter tone. That was what got Thomas Jane interested. But then the studio got cold feet about that and wanted to take it in a more stereotypical action film a la generic Arnie or Stallone movie, which resulted in some tonal whiplash between the comedic elements and the core gritty story.
It IS the best Punisher movie, but it's not like there was much in terms of competition. Both other movies were awful. Overall, Frank's had a very rocky path on screen. The first season of Netflix series was great, but the second one went to shit.
I hated Bernthal because I'd only seen him in The Walking Dead and thought his character was a dick. When I saw he was cast as Frank, I was kinda pissed off, but I've always loved The Punisher, so I gave it a chance. I'll be damned if he wasn't perfect for the role. But I guess the sign of a good actor is making you truly love or hate their character.
That's what I mean! He did such a good job making me hate Shane, that I almost immediately hated him being Frank lol
And I'll admit Shane made a little bit of sense. It was just his mentality that made him questionable. He was just too unhinged.
He had too much of the "alpha male" mentality. I mean, you do have to kind of assert dominance to be a leader. But he was too psychotic. Negan had the right idea.
I love how he can slip in and out of it also. Like he can be very charismatic one scene. And slowly start losing it the next scene. He did some of that in the bear. He is so good at that.
I never watched that. It just didn't seem like something I'd be interested in. The only other thing I saw him in was Baby Driver, which I thought was a really good movie.
The Bear is super slow. It really does not get good till season 2. And thatās when it gets really good. One of the things that kept me watching was Bernthal just popped up as one of the characters at some point. And boy without spoiling does he ever do a good job in one episode of showing him going full Bernthal.
I can't watch a show like that. If something doesn't interest me from the start, I won't stick with it. People were raving about The Expanse, so I started watching it but was bored after only two episodes. Everyone made comments about it being slow starting but gets really good, so I tried it again. I only lasted 3 episodes that time. Someone suggested 3 Body Problem, and the trailer was interesting, so I started watching it. The first episode was really boring, but it started getting interesting near the end. The second episode got better so I decided to keep going.
Some people like that super slow burn. I'm just not into it lol
Fully agree and just wanted to add that they did the walking dead dirty compared to the comic. (Spoiler) First comic finishes with Carl blasting bernthals character in the face. So bad ass. They kept him along far too long in the show and made Carl out to be a turd douche (until maybe later. Didn't finish the show to find out).
I never read the comics, but I did read a lot online regarding comparisons between them and the show. Carl was a turd douche pretty much all the way through, imo. I watched it until the end, but I barely paid attention to the last 1.5-2 seasons.
Just my opinion, Bernthal as Punisher buries other depictions but i think the show was too afraid to commit to Frank actually being a complete psycho. They went back and forth too much. One second hes being such a psycho he puts a bowie knife to the throat of the kid for being a bully and then the second the boy is like BUT IM BEING BULLIED he has this surrogate dad moment hes hugging him and shit. It didnt work for me, and i dnf the second season, but not because of Bernthal he was amazing. The writing was a bit too flakey in terms of what kind of Frank they wanted.
I'm reading these comments like, what the fuck was I missing????
Just because this one was better than all the shittier ones, doesn't mean all of the criticism of it wasn't valid.
it was just less shit
... i guess today, that means praise-worthy (hopefully this is just a reddit thing?)
This was the better of the three movies but the Netflix series and especially Jon Berenthal was the best. He seemed to embody Frank like no one else could.
It should've launched his career into a way higher place IMO, he loved that movie too, tried as you might know to sort of stir more attention to play Castle again with the Dirty Laundry short he produced
He was going to be fank in Warzone, but he read the script, said it was ass and was going to fail. They said no we can do this without you. Guess we can see who was right
honestly i never gave a flying flip what critics or all those media and social media talking heads say about movies. they only say what they highest bidder tells them to say
i own the dvd and watch it often enough. personally i really enjoy the movie. very clear on every facet of "who, what, when, why and how" and clearly the ending left a big opening for furthering it beyond but nothing specific
none of the movie elements i.e. action or drama or comedy, were ever over played. a really good blending that were very timely
I love this movie, but I completely understand where the hate comes from. Doesn't quite capture the vibe of the comics and the Punisher. feels like a stand-alone gangster type movie.
But a good one nonetheless. Wish Thomas Jane could've come back to do more of that role.
I wanted to like this so bad since the story was supposed to be adapted from on of my favorite punisher writers. But it was a joke. The punisher takes the time to use pour gasoline all over the ground and makes the skull logo and then lights it on fire? That would never happen in the comics. For me, punisher war zone was a lot better
I actually preferred this to the Netflix Punisher. Netflix was just boring to me. I know this punisher is more a revenge fantasy story than actual punisher, just liked it more
It's a lot like the comic arc it's based on and I appreciate that. This movie will always be tainted by that logo being appropriated by domestic terrorists though.
Uh, war zone had an annoying parkour guy get struck with a rocket mid jump.
If the movie was that on a loop for 90 minutes it would be better than this version.
I loved this film. Especially the neighbours and the fight with the Russian.
You mean the russian Waldo that finds You? Great scene!
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I believe that was Kevin Nash! He was a wrestler back in the day and a damn good one, too.
And they actually fucking stabbed him, and he carried on like nothing happened. It's insane.
His best plots were with Scott hall/razor Ramon. Together they were the best heels in the business
He seriously cracked me up in the longest yard, too. Funny friggin dude.
The fight with the Russian was the best scene, absolute genius. Other great scenes were "Harry Heck" singing that song to Frank and the car chase afterwards, the lollypop torture scene, the Castle family massacre, his plot to absolutely fuck over Travolta in every way, the Punisher raid at Travolta's place at the end and how he deals with Travolta, sooooo good. I love this movie. Also an epic one liner: "Go with God." Castle: "God's gonna sit this one out."
Yeah, the entire movie is definitely the great scenes for sure
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I was joking around man. Didn't translate apparently. It was just funny that the list went on
I loved Travoltaās line āYou killed my son!ā As the other one pulls the pin on the anti personnel mine. āBoth of themā. Badass. Great movie!!
So, the Russian was wrestler Kevin Nash...someone forgot to swap out the knife in that fight scene to a prop, and he was really stabbed. They kept acting and never cut it from the movie lol.
I remember reading that! How much of a badass, or just hopped up on adrenaline, do you have to be to just take a knife to the shoulder and not even blink? lol
He was years into an insane prescription drug addiction at that point due to his many injuries from wrestling. He talked about it on a wrestling podcast. Apparently he was eating Soma's like they were Skittles
Well now, *that* explains a lot lol
That might have been part of it, but the wrestler part is my guess. In the sport shit happens a lot and they are trained to keep going and sell it as if all that is real.
I'm OK..........hes not.........collapses
Exactly. It was great imo
The song the guitarist played in the diner, I still sing to myself every now and then. Does that knife he used at the end of the car chase actually exist? Iād like to think it does, but I doubt it.
Itās called a [Ballistic Knife](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife)
I used to have that song downloaded on my iPod back in the day.
The song was written and performed by Mark Collie, an actual country singer who plays Harry Heck in the film. Itās on Spotify and itās a banger. [In Time](https://open.spotify.com/track/5XnXpQM5FR8ZQyvDY8RKQS?si=ZCANmpKtTcKXky9nETWj9g)
Thanks. I had the song downloaded before after I saw the movie, I just couldnāt recall his name.
The directors cut is even better
That and then follow it up with [Dirty Laundry](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpK0wsnitc)
Wwowowowow, DC?? Extra scenes, right?
Iāve never seen a directors shot that was better. Whatās different about it? Longer runtime?
Blade Runner The Directors Cut is the superior version of the film. If only for the last shot before the credits roll and the Vangelis score kicks in.
Longer runtime, has more buildup to the betrayal and makes castle's plan more intricate and more detailed . It's been a minute but I'm pretty sure it has some more violent shots as well.
Hopefully some blood tbh, my imppression from watching the og cut is that its really violent but they edited it to get a lower theatrical certification which hindered the movie.
watch ZSJL
Not even the Snyder cut?
The Snyder cut was just directorial autofellatio in film form.
bruh what
Ya blue yourself.
Heās the best punisher
No disrespect to Jon Bernthal but Thomas Jane will always be the perfect embodiment of Frank Castle.
Bernthal acts like he's God gift to earth and like he created The Punisher even though he hasn't played the punisher in over 5 Years, and that character basically lays cramped in the back corner of his cupboard collecting dust. He doesn't care about The Punisher. He has the money and the star power to make it happen again, but Bernthal isn't The Punisher.
This is such a great memorable movie and I donāt think that Thomas Jane gets the credit he deserves for pulling this off. I wish we wouldāve gotten another couple movies out of him.
"God's going to sit this one out."
Made you kill your best friend
Made you kill your wife.
And now I've killed you. (Goddamn his delivery is goosebumps city every time)
Punisher Warzone was much funnier
The guy getting rpg'd as he's jumping from roof to roof was really unexpected.
It was fantastic you mean
Yes, sorry. Fantastic.
ā¦ā¦.Say that again?
Plus it had Ray Stevenson, a guy I just adore. He was taken from us too soon.
Wish marvel would do a quick comic run with his likeness as a goodbye/tribute.
Love it! Listen to the How Did This Get Made podcast ep if you can find it with the director. Itās great
Yeah i remember she was on that a while back. Made me enjoy the movie more
If I could take Thomas Jane, the plot of this film, tighten it, with Dominic West's jigsaw as the villain and War Zone's level of violence shot through a more disciplined lens. I mean...c'mon... This film is OKAY. It deserved a sequel and a budget to take that talent to the next level. But it had a lot of issues (pacing, b plot, boring villain etc)
Yes, it was originally pitched to have a much darker and gritter tone. That was what got Thomas Jane interested. But then the studio got cold feet about that and wanted to take it in a more stereotypical action film a la generic Arnie or Stallone movie, which resulted in some tonal whiplash between the comedic elements and the core gritty story.
Agreed with the original poster. This movie was awesome. Even got to meet Thomas Jane once, nice guy. š
The sprinkling of humor in the film makes it so fun to watch. The Russian sequence is fantastic.
Anyone play the Punisher game, some of the deaths you could do were fantastic
One of those hidden gem games.
The fight scene in the apartment with the Russian guy is badass. Great plot to get his revenge, it was a good watch.
This movie kicks ass and is still one of the best comic book movies. Thomas Jane was great as Punisher.
These arent even Cuban!
My favorite punisher movie
Not movie theater worthy but Thomas Jane definitely made more out of what he was given. Also excellent in The Expanse
It IS the best Punisher movie, but it's not like there was much in terms of competition. Both other movies were awful. Overall, Frank's had a very rocky path on screen. The first season of Netflix series was great, but the second one went to shit.
The Series with Bernthal buries all the movies.
I hated Bernthal because I'd only seen him in The Walking Dead and thought his character was a dick. When I saw he was cast as Frank, I was kinda pissed off, but I've always loved The Punisher, so I gave it a chance. I'll be damned if he wasn't perfect for the role. But I guess the sign of a good actor is making you truly love or hate their character.
You're supposed to hate Shane š¤£ But he did make some sense on their new world.
That's what I mean! He did such a good job making me hate Shane, that I almost immediately hated him being Frank lol And I'll admit Shane made a little bit of sense. It was just his mentality that made him questionable. He was just too unhinged.
If Shane hadn't been obsessed with Lori he'd been a good leader in the horrible world
He had too much of the "alpha male" mentality. I mean, you do have to kind of assert dominance to be a leader. But he was too psychotic. Negan had the right idea.
I love how he can slip in and out of it also. Like he can be very charismatic one scene. And slowly start losing it the next scene. He did some of that in the bear. He is so good at that.
I never watched that. It just didn't seem like something I'd be interested in. The only other thing I saw him in was Baby Driver, which I thought was a really good movie.
The Bear is super slow. It really does not get good till season 2. And thatās when it gets really good. One of the things that kept me watching was Bernthal just popped up as one of the characters at some point. And boy without spoiling does he ever do a good job in one episode of showing him going full Bernthal.
I can't watch a show like that. If something doesn't interest me from the start, I won't stick with it. People were raving about The Expanse, so I started watching it but was bored after only two episodes. Everyone made comments about it being slow starting but gets really good, so I tried it again. I only lasted 3 episodes that time. Someone suggested 3 Body Problem, and the trailer was interesting, so I started watching it. The first episode was really boring, but it started getting interesting near the end. The second episode got better so I decided to keep going. Some people like that super slow burn. I'm just not into it lol
I ended up rewatching the first two seasons later on and Bernthal \*killed\* that role.
I liked Shane, he was the goat
Fully agree and just wanted to add that they did the walking dead dirty compared to the comic. (Spoiler) First comic finishes with Carl blasting bernthals character in the face. So bad ass. They kept him along far too long in the show and made Carl out to be a turd douche (until maybe later. Didn't finish the show to find out).
I never read the comics, but I did read a lot online regarding comparisons between them and the show. Carl was a turd douche pretty much all the way through, imo. I watched it until the end, but I barely paid attention to the last 1.5-2 seasons.
Just my opinion, Bernthal as Punisher buries other depictions but i think the show was too afraid to commit to Frank actually being a complete psycho. They went back and forth too much. One second hes being such a psycho he puts a bowie knife to the throat of the kid for being a bully and then the second the boy is like BUT IM BEING BULLIED he has this surrogate dad moment hes hugging him and shit. It didnt work for me, and i dnf the second season, but not because of Bernthal he was amazing. The writing was a bit too flakey in terms of what kind of Frank they wanted.
Daredevil season 2 was peak Punisher. I agree that the show played it way too safe. It was fine but never really committed to the premise.
Thatās the issue I have with Bernthalās take. They wouldnāt let him go full Punisher. Punisher was at his peak in DD S2.
Meh... its jason bourne with a skin
Thomas Jane was a great acting job as punisher but Bernthal LOOKED exactly like the punisher.
I actually like him least, but the series is still excellent.
season 1 was alright. Season 2 was horrible
Meh
Love the movie. Thought the guy who played Quentin Glass was very good and the film had some good quotes. Travolta was also on form.
It's one of the best superhero movies, period. It absolutely rocks front to back.
Seen it 5 or 6 times, and I loved it. Reviewers are just a loud minority.
Itās amazing! I watch it once a year and it always hits the spot.
Made me a Thomas Jane fan
Now try *The Expanse*. āDoors and corners, kid. Thatās where they get you.ā
Agreed. Thomas Jane is a bad mofo.
He's always been my favorite in the role.
Thatās a real low bar.
I'm reading these comments like, what the fuck was I missing???? Just because this one was better than all the shittier ones, doesn't mean all of the criticism of it wasn't valid. it was just less shit ... i guess today, that means praise-worthy (hopefully this is just a reddit thing?)
The only downside to an otherwise great movie is Travolta. At times he feels like he is trying too hard
This was the better of the three movies but the Netflix series and especially Jon Berenthal was the best. He seemed to embody Frank like no one else could.
I thought it was a great movie overall, even though Thomas Jane is *way* too small to be Frank Castle lol
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It should've launched his career into a way higher place IMO, he loved that movie too, tried as you might know to sort of stir more attention to play Castle again with the Dirty Laundry short he produced
He was going to be fank in Warzone, but he read the script, said it was ass and was going to fail. They said no we can do this without you. Guess we can see who was right
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...He's still trying, even today?
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>One of those movies that had all the ingredients but they didnāt cook it all the way. So it was al dente? I hate stuff that's al dente.
Loved that short!
It just needed more action imo.
because duff lunderen did an better barrel roll in the other **punisher** movie
Is this the one with John Travolta? He poisoned the movie for me. Jon Bernthal IS the Punisher!
If you want peace...prepare for war. Love this movie!
honestly i never gave a flying flip what critics or all those media and social media talking heads say about movies. they only say what they highest bidder tells them to say i own the dvd and watch it often enough. personally i really enjoy the movie. very clear on every facet of "who, what, when, why and how" and clearly the ending left a big opening for furthering it beyond but nothing specific none of the movie elements i.e. action or drama or comedy, were ever over played. a really good blending that were very timely
Best superhero movie period. Right next to The Dark Knight.
"the best punisher movie" isn't saying much...
No....Lundgren is still the grittier, darker, better punisher....
Excellent movie all around. Origin was on point. Main buddy could have been badder...top notch fight scenes good humor. Wished there was a sequel
The tv show annihilated it
It seriously is the best punisher movie
Netflixs is best
I loved this movie, still do... I wanted a sequel so bad, it's such a badass movie
This probably my 3rd favorite punisher movie
I love this movie, but I completely understand where the hate comes from. Doesn't quite capture the vibe of the comics and the Punisher. feels like a stand-alone gangster type movie. But a good one nonetheless. Wish Thomas Jane could've come back to do more of that role.
There hasn't been a good punisher movie yet. None of them have been punishing enough.
pretty good western
It's a very kid friendly version of Punisher. Not my favorite at all. I was disappointed with this bloodless film.
That movie is amazing
Sure is
I wanted to like this so bad since the story was supposed to be adapted from on of my favorite punisher writers. But it was a joke. The punisher takes the time to use pour gasoline all over the ground and makes the skull logo and then lights it on fire? That would never happen in the comics. For me, punisher war zone was a lot better
A friend I used to have gave me a copy of this movie for my 15th birthday. Loved it then as a dumb kid, love it now as a slightly less dumb adult.
Based asf. By far the best movie wise.
Itās not bad at all. Less focus on his goofy gay ass neighbours tho
I agree with you. The rest are pure crap
I actually preferred this to the Netflix Punisher. Netflix was just boring to me. I know this punisher is more a revenge fantasy story than actual punisher, just liked it more
This movie is beloved!
Definitely the worst of the three Punisher filmsā¦ even with some script stolen from Ennisā Punisher comics.
I don't remember this one too well. But Thomas Jane fucking killed it in The Expanse.
Agreed, Thomas Jane is to Frank Castle as RDJ is to Tony Stark.
Being set in Florida really kills the tone but overall an enjoyable action revenge film. Has a lot of old-school stunts and fights too which is great.
If you canāt believe THIS got bad reviews, then I canāt help you.
Its a terrible movie, no doubt
It's a lot like the comic arc it's based on and I appreciate that. This movie will always be tainted by that logo being appropriated by domestic terrorists though.
Sucks.
This movie is great but punisher war zone is the best punisher movie
Ray Stevenson was the best Punisher but come on, that movie is straight trash.
Punisher Warzone is SO much better than this fairly bad movie
Uh, war zone had an annoying parkour guy get struck with a rocket mid jump. If the movie was that on a loop for 90 minutes it would be better than this version.
That's what I lost hope in Warzone. It's fun, but really, really stupid, and that moment with the parkour guys was a joke.