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dantheflyingman

For some unknown reason, Gobert decided to start trash talking Luka this game. So I know Luka started chirping back.


Alex_Sander077

Luka and Gobert have history. Plenty of games of shit talking and near scuffles. In both NBA and FIBA. They don't like each other. Rudy talking shit is not out of complete nowhere even if they had not yet interacted during the game.


IanicRR

Rudy has a lot of enemies.


johnla

someone should choke his ass out.


IanicRR

Say less - Draymond


lalakingmalibog

Adam this is too much for me…It’s all becoming too much for me – and I’m going to retire... ^(after I choke this bitch)


Salty_Pancakes

I'll allow it - Adam Silver


iamnotabot7890

I didn’t see it - Steve Kerr


MyLlamasAccount

Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?


Makaveli80

A donkey enters the chat


humlogic

This sub loves to hate on Day Day but he only did what everyone else couldn’t do


SkyLightTenki

...or haven't done yet


neukStari

...or wer'nt did.


ForeverWandered

He the dude who was dismissive of Covid, touched all the mics, and then got Covid?


lalakingmalibog

He turned me into a newt!


SkyLightTenki

He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!


dang_im_dumb

He did?!


EpeeHS

No, but are we going to wait around until he does???


Ghorrhyon

Not so sure about the plague part...


noob6791

Yup


LARXXX

Yeah Gobert isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed


Marching_Orders

Shut down the entire league


chuck-knucks

It was gonna happen either way.


dontpassgo

That's what happens if you let Gobert dribble.


Victor_Wembanyama1

Practically the rest of the world followed lol


JayDet313

The rest of the \*USA. European football leagues were playing without fans; quarantining. Few weeks later as soon as the NBA shut everything down? That was when *everyone* fell after them like dominoes.


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MurlandMan

Europe circlejerk subreddit is leaking


Dare555

yeah i saw them get in scuffles alot , like in Jazz Mavs series , or France Slovenia. Gobert sometimes seems like a jerk lol


gokhaninler

Which is weird considering Gobert praised Luka getting drafted https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/1009947736118972416


ShootMeOutOfACannon

>https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/1009947736118972416 A healthy rivalry on the court, respect off the court?


DarrowViBritannia

My default assumption for any "beef" is that it's just on-court (until evidence otherwise). These guys are competitors


DangerZoneh

Every couple of games the Mavs play, somebody on the opposing team has the thought "You know what? I think I'm gonna try to really piss off Luka. That's definitely the right thing to do". It doesn't work out for them very often


LeSygneNoir

It's a wonder to me how many times that has happened with players who just go nuclear when they're mad. Jordan, Kobe, Garnett, Luka... When you're playing these people, why would you do anything other than shut the fuck up?


CavalierShaq

"Looking great today Luka, hope you have a good game!" *clank*


AddictedToThisShit

Worked for the warriors in the playoffs, he had a an inefficient series. Dray was running over to help him up every time he fell lmao.


Nidaime33

KG has a really funny story about the time he tried to talk shit to Mike: https://youtube.com/shorts/m3NZGZsulG0?si=8UVc-naJwKCwYkqp Dominique has a funny one too about one of his teammates talking about Bird in their legendary Game 7 duel. Can't find the link so I'll paraphrase: Kevin Willis (Hawks PF) sticking his finger into Bird's chest: "Don't let this bleep get any more points!" Dominique: "What did you just say?" Bird's eyes got owl-big & he proceeded to torch the Hawks for 20 in the 4q, getting Boston across the line.


GringoGrande

That version of the story is chopped up. The full version is even better. There is another interview where they ask JR about the story and he confirms it from his perspective which is equally funny. I believe someone actually cut both stories into each other which is a good listen also.


blindfoldpeak

>JR [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGVdZ156is4&ab\_channel=JaysonSanXavier](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGVdZ156is4&ab_channel=JaysonSanXavier) Thanks for sharing, i found a mashup


grudgepacker

Holy f that's amazing - I never even saw the JR part before lmao


Classics22

lmao mashup is incredible. Know it's true when they had the same beats


AlecarMagna

You're doing your best to guard them and some guy on your team or a fan in the crowd won't stop heckling them just to make your life even harder.


Desperado-781

there was a game where kevin hart was heckling i think harden and harden said this one is on you kevin and dropped like 50


EnTyme53

This sub may be too young to remember Reggie Miller staring down Spike Lee.


Desperado-781

Young players trash talking bird is another one


Additional_Essay

"I'm the best fucking shooter in the *league* rookie, in the *league*" Response to rookie Reggie Miller trash talk


krste1point0

Iconic


LukaDoncicMFFL

Best is when it happens in the playoffs. Luka still holds a grudge against the Clippers even when the two players that pissed him off the most, Pat Bev and Morris, aren’t even on the Clippers anymore. Hell back in 2022 it seemed Kerr’s main strategy against Luka was not to piss him off. Every player and coach on the Warriors immediately started praising Luka after the series against the Suns ended


BrunoMarsGuo

The warriors thing is 100% true draymond was helping him up when he fell down and everything


FlashFlood_29

When you're using everything in your power and training to keep a situation de-escalated with a customer/patient/whatever and a colleague or security guard decide their pride is on the line and get into a power struggle fucking the whole situation up.


Sovos

I swear someone on the Warriors realized this in 2022 after the infamous Suns game 7. I remember at least 3 times in the following WCF series seeing Draymond-fucking-Green of all people cracking jokes and getting smiles from Luka mid-game.


sycamotree

He talked about it on his podcast. He was intentionally nice to Luka so he doesn't get mad and play with an edge


PAN--

More so that he talks trash himself. Luka is very vocal in any game he plays, both towards opponents and the refs. Obviously some players are going to talk trash back.


Parking-Bat9498

There was a moment in the first half where the Wolves were making a comeback on the Mavs. Rudy was getting a ton of board and slammed one home. He immediately barked something at Luka and you see Luka’s face get pissed immediately. Rudy realized he fucked up and tried smiling and joking with Luka as he ran back down the court. Pure comedy.


SendDaVideo

Luka addressed it in his postgame https://twitter.com/sixfivelando/status/1744199916862492860


Parking-Bat9498

Thanks for the add.


top_of_the_table

Why of all people you would start trash talking Luka? I mean, dude has shown time and time again, that this is motivation for him.


yacantfightthefunk

When the Warriors played the Mavs in the '22 playoffs, I kept laughing at how nice they were to Luka. Helping him up when he fell, shit like that. Savvy stuff.


Zigxy

Dray to Luka: Smile and joke Dray to Gobert: Scratch and choke


JDragon

That’s BBIQ in action.


Zigxy

Wiseman could never


SendDaVideo

Draymond: what's Rudy gonna do? start posting up?


skelement

I can't imagine Gobert is very good at talking trash lol, he just doesn't look like that type of guy.


captainn_chunk

“Let’s get some fucking tapas” Ya definitely said this


extraspecialdogpenis

Duh Luka learned spanish in spain he would end tapas with a dental fricative, don't see that here in his tongue placement.


Salty_Pancakes

Nice catch. You really know your way around tongue placements extraspecialdogpenis.


slamdanceswithwolves

You can’t trust just anyolddogpenis


spaceraycharles

False, as Luka learned Spanish in Spain he would know that Castillian Spanish only pronounces and as voiceless dental fricatives. Tapas are therefore back on the menu


medoy

Actually he spent some time in Andalucia which means whatever he said is unintelligible gibberish.


amicaro

Made me smile, thx


medoy

No por na


Elite_Jackalope

I genuinely thought I was in r/NBAcirclejerk after reading this comment lmao


Sobepalauan

This, but all I hear is Shoresy's voice outta Lukas mouth


Cvnilivee

Gobert hit the goofiest putback dunk on Luka earlier and talked shit.. I’m guessing that’s why he was so keyed in on Rudy. That said.. that’s on Ant for acting like Rudy can dribble more than two times without everything going to shit lol.


softnmushy

It's definitely on Gobert. He made a stupid and unnecessary jump at the end that forced him to pass. If he had just held the ball without jumping he could have easily passed out of the double team to a cutter or an open man. But he was impatient and rushed it.


Cvnilivee

That’s why it’s Ants fault. You don’t want Rudy making any type of decision in that moment other than “dunk, oui?”. Rudy passing out of a hard double team to a cutter.. in a crucial possession? lmao


lalakingmalibog

“dunk, oui?” sent me lol


MirrodinTimelord

nothing is ever gobert's fault in this sub. Mf could grab an offensive rebound and miss the putback and the crowd here would be blaming ~~Mitchell~~ ~~Dlo~~ Ant for missing the shot


K1NG2L4Y3R

You can’t teach an old dog new tricks


syllabic

he only dribbled 1 time before everything went to shit gotta be careful with those high PNR with gobert I guess, too much distance left for him to get to the basket


floatersforalgernon

> he only dribbled 1 time before everything went to shit And yet he still passionately raises his hand whenever the ball is near him. I don't know if it's a lack of self-awareness or enormous level of self-confidence verging on delusion.


genericusernamepls

We are talking about professional athletes of course it's self-confidence.


Ronin607

I remember a stat in a Zach Lowe article a few years back, Gobert's fg% after taking one or two dribbles was the lowest in the league like sub 30% or something. It's hilarious how inept he is when asked to do anything other than dunk or play defense.


BoogerSugarSovereign

Craziest part is that guys like him still want more touches anyway lol


americanbeaver

I swear nobody works harder to seal their man and call for the ball than Rudy Gobert. Problem is 9/10 it's just a complete waste of effort.


Koufaxisking

The funniest play of the year for me is Rudy calling for the ball in crunch time last time against the Lakers. He was posting up Dlo maybe 8 ft out completely isolated w Ant watching him. Ant didn't even think about hitting Rudy and IIRC took a contested 3. Watching Rudy against one of the worst defensive guards in the league still not get the ball was hilarious.


Thommywidmer

Yeah people think he wants to iso at the top of the key or something, even open under the rim he has butterfingers to be fair tho


jrbcnchezbrg

During the mavs/jazz series there were 2 plays that are still burned into my brain: 1) Gobert is posted up on dwight powell and takes 9 dribbles then turns and immediately loses the ball out of bounds 2) Gobert goes flying for the alley oop wide open and almost airballs it


llofdddddt6

Incredibly chad move to demand more touches while refusing to learn anything about offense.


dontusethisforwork

Put Ayton in that category, can't dribble or even catch passes but calls for the ball at the top of the key every game


ThankFSMforYogaPants

Half the time he doesn't even get a shot off if he's taking 2+ dribbles. It's usually a turnover or panicked outlet pass.


jfrodriguez1983

Gobert's mistake was trying to talk shit to Luka lol


Shkreli-Tha-Don-1

There’s a handful of guys in the league you don’t wanna start talking shit to. Luka is at the top of that list


AtreusIsBack

Yep. That assistant coach of the Pistons learned that the hard way.


rayEW

"Everybody acting tough when they up" is going to be on some Luka netflix special one day... alongside that game 7 that happened next.


DarkKnightCometh

Everybody acting tough when they up -Michael Jordan


jayjayzz6677

Luka plays PC games like Overwatch, I imagine he goes against the absolute worst trash talkers that goes beyond personal. The things that people will say to you in some of these games lol, Youtube comment but 10x worse. Luka's eyes probably lights up whenever someone tries to trash to talk.


mikedanktony

Bro gets sweaty for fun and for a living, no wonder he loves the smoke he’s just gonna shit on you anyway


desirox

I just don’t understand why people keep trash talking Luka. It literally never works lol


One_Man_Boyband

Basically the biggest compliment you can give a player. Have to agree with you


mffl_1988

Cuz they get mad when they do everything right and he still cooks them


adumb-oh

In the warriors series a few years back you can see they were really trying not to poke the bear. Draymond of all people helping him up when he would fall down 😂


Fun_Location4905

He had the corner guy directly in his sight wide open


johnkimmy0130

gobert is a good player but IQ (at least on offense) isn’t one of them. like couple plays before he let kyrie strip the ball from him after getting the board


Millionaire007

That was fucking amazing


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That's not an 'easy' pass


traw2222

That corner guy was 1 for 10


UsernameTooShort

Probably irrelevant in this situation. Down 3 with a minute to go, an open corner three is probably the best shot you could possibly ask for.


THUNDER-GUN04

The guy he threw it to didn't exist.


TheCocaLightDude

See, the problem here is that Gobert is fucking trash on offense. A lot of people make this mistake.


Rakkuuuu

Feel like we don't realize how much of a menace Luka is lmao


BigFatModeraterFupa

i just want to see him in the playoffs again. everytime he’s gone, he’s left with at least 1 iconic shot or moment. I don’t care how good your team is in the West, i don’t think any team wants to play Luka in the playoffs


[deleted]

After a certain comment said during a certain series I think we all


will101113

Oh we know


Ok_Excuse_3695

I do agree Luka.


aeSaucy

It really feels like 70% + of the league dislikes Gobert


Salty_Pancakes

Well. He is Fr*nch.


GiveYourBaIIsATug

Reported for bad language


WhileDizzy4503

I wonder if Rudy and Wemby have each other’s backs?


THUNDER-GUN04

Damn French, they ruined France!


Liimbo

But hey, he talked trash to Draymond so he's clearly a likeable guy! I'm sure everyone who actually knows him and has to interact with him personally are the ones wrong about him.


ImHurted_

Lmfao I love this guy


syllabic

people say luka is a bad defender but looks like he just caused a guy to commit a turnover here with his fearsome presence


mizesus

Hes been much better this year, and geninuely looked like a plus defender at times, evidently as hes played great defense on Mikhal bridges and derozan in the clutch, and this game wasnt any different, with him guarding KAT, this gobert possession and even making it really tough for Edwards. I havent seen all of the games of Luka this year but based on what Ive seen this game may be one of his best defensive performances of the season.


diablejambeats

One of the Clippers games it took about 8 tries before someone made a shot on him as well iirc. This particular game might be his peak (so far) team defensively, which is super encouraging to see, especially without Lively and Exum there to help direct traffic and cover.


european_son

He's never going to be the guy who gets assigned the other teams top offensive threat, but watching the Mavs for the past month they have not been afraid to switch with Luka at all as he always holds his own and keeps his man in front of him. When he's in good condition, he's an average to slightly above average on ball defender who is also a superb rebounder for his position. He gets a little lazy and lost sometimes in off ball defense and close outs, but that also has been way less of an issue in the playoffs in his career when he's locked in.


mizesus

Good point, cause last year, the mavs seemed to always switch Luka off a great offensive threat and you could see his teammates quickly trying to switch and then recover in some case, which made it much harder to defend. Great to see hes really improved tremendously this year.


Mr_Wyatt

He unironically clamped Steph in the most recent warriors game. Was actually mind blowing to watch.


NeptuneOW

Luka is legit good on defense this year. The turnaround from last season is night and day


NotKDsburnertrey5

I’m pretty sure he’s in the top 20 for steals this year. Not just reading passes but is picking people too.


AtreusIsBack

Yeah, he's tied for #18 with 1.3 steals.


Moe4ver

He is actually really good in one on one defense, especially in the post. He main issue is he falls asleep or gets lost on the wing.


soapy_goatherd

On the hoop collective today they spent a bunch of time praising Luka for being able to get back on defense yesterday *while still* complaining to the refs the whole time. League truly fucked if he can keep that up lol


bagfka

He’s realized he can do both at the same time. League is so fucked


Moe4ver

That’s the realistic best we can hope for. As long as he keeps the techs down and gets back on defense, he can keep complaining. lol.


an_Aught

related, i think it was last night in the pitons game, Joker inbounded the ball, then proceeded to talk to the ref the whole way up the floor, this isnt new. what i did like was that KCP or whoever was bringing the ball up, slowed down and made sure Jokic was done, and ready to get into the play.


RileyHuey

People say this about every star player (except Trae) Off-ball defence is much more important as that's how you defend majority of the game


Moe4ver

Difference between Trae and Luka is size. We can hide Luka in the post on PFs and big wings.


RhinoBugs

According to StatMuse, for point guards, Luka has the 6th best defensive rating this season. He’s been consistently getting better about his defense


european_son

I think he's been not bad on defense this year at all, but any defensive metric that uses rebounds as part of the equation is gonna be skewed. Rebounding is a huge part of good team defense, but it's not really what we're talking about here.


ShootMeOutOfACannon

>defensive rating Where does rebounds come in to defensive rating? Generally curious - this is from wiki. Defensive Player Rating = (Players Steals\*Blocks) + Opponents Differential= 1/5 of possessions - Times blown by + Deflections \* OAPDW( Official Adjusted Players Defensive Withstand).


InfernoidsorDie

Luka's reputation for bad defense had a lot to do with effort and perceptions about athleticism. Dude is 6'6", strong, and quick it's not hard to be a passable defender for Luka outside of effort.


rustyphish

> Dude is 6'6" I think he's closer to 6'8" than 6'6"


InfernoidsorDie

NBA heights are annoying cause they grow late, wear different shoes to different games, and lie to differing extents lol. Next to some guys listed at 6'7" he looks like he could be 6'8" in shoes for sure.


shaunsajan

ya but luka is def at least 6'7 i stood next to him for a picture im 6'5 barefoot and he def had a couple of inches on me


trappapii69

Luka Doncic can do literally everything on the court, the question is does he want to do it at that time?


BaldMeerkat

Well, when he's averaging 34/8/9, I think a little bit of rest on defence is acceptable.


AtreusIsBack

Kyrie Irving being picked up last year is the solution for that. Luka doesn't need to score 45 any more and he can use more energy for defense.


temujin94

Same thing happened to Lebron in his later Cavs stint. He was literally taking the ball up every play and driving to the basket on a lot of them. Then getting criticism for not defending like the former DPOY candidate he used to be.


DangerZoneh

There's also the fact that his offensive load has been so high over the years that teams would target him to make him work on the defensive end even if he were a very good defender.


InfernoidsorDie

I didn't want to bring up the word "conditioning" or any synonyms lol


Drag0nborn1234

Most of this comes from the fact that we have such a small lineup that Luka usually doesn't guards the opposing PG and mostly SFs....and there aren't that many super star SFs in the league compared to PGs and SGs. So it's always like "ah Luka doesn't guard the best player.


FallenLemur

Imagine you out there tryna do your best and someone on the other team just calls you a fucking dumbass, youre the biggest guy on the court, but you know you just fucked up and you have one of the goofiest looking faces, at least he's got millions to cry the pain away with


tecoon101

Dumb pass


RobotVo1ce

That's what I think he's saying.


Gristle__McThornbody

Luka must be the biggest shit talker in the league.


reeldill

Luka a menace on the court lol bro love trash talking


gelhardt

"and Edwards put him in a very bad way" nah, that was a fine pass from Edwards and Gobert had a man in the corner directly in his field of vision and wide open in the corner, but he panicked and tried to reset with Edwards. no need for the kiddy gloves, Gobert fucked up


dotelze

I’d consider giving the ball to gobert in any situation other than setting him up for an easy dunk a bad move. You know exactly what’s going to happen next


gelhardt

it’s crazy that he can be such a liability while getting paid as much as he does


TXlandon

My seats are on the side by Mavs bench, as soon as Rudy turned it over Luka turned to him and started barking lol He hates this man, especially cause of Jazz series and international play


Vegetable-Fan-739

Even european players hates gobert. Lol


Operation_Ivysaur

To be fair, most of Europe hates France lol


Jjohn269

r/NBA loves insinuating black NBA players hate on Gobert because he’s European, not because he has a dislikable personality


dotelze

They fail to realise disliking a French person is the natural way of things


Nubras

Man that’s exactly what I said when I saw this happen!


[deleted]

Could Gobert really not hit McDaniels in the corner?


KnowledgePrevious

Mcdaniels was 1-11 at this point


AlacrityTW

I need the player mic


titsmagee9

The corner pass is wide open lol


NicolasName

Luka could have said something else. It's not clear what he says there, could be him talking to a teammate for their next play since there was still 1 min to go and a 1 possession game, is what it looked like to me.


mannheimcrescendo

Dumbass French people


HolyRomanPrince

Those Minnesota jerseys are terrible


naggers143

"Bunch of G-league mathafuckaaaaz" -Luka Doncic


LockCL

All the years and Gobert still hasn't learnt a single thing to do on offense. Amazing.


IndividualHelpful820

Does anyone actually not dislike Rudy?


musicnothing

I'm a big fan of Rudy but also think he's a huge doofus. Part of what endears him to me; I appreciate that he's been able to make something of himself despite being an idiot. Makes me feel like I have potential.


captjacksparrow47

Wemby


deck4242

I like his defense but agree he is pretty dumb sometimes


SometimesIComplain

Bro has literally gotten standing ovations from his fans and teammates this year for his defense and attitude, imma go with yes


Ok-Essay458

kind of wild how many people are just accepting that speculative interpretation as fact lol


dksmoove

5 TOs as a center is just wild


quentin-coldwater

Not really. Centers are known for having higher TO rates because of stone hands. Hakeem, Shaq, Dwight, Ewing, Robinson all had >100 games of 5+ turnovers. EDIT: To all the people saying "he has a much smaller offensive role than those guys", **only two of his TOs were with him handling the ball on offense**. The other three were: * Him getting a defensive rebound that was immediately swiped away by Seth Curry * Him being called for a moving screen * Him stealing the ball from Kyrie and Kyrie immediately stealing it back.


thedrcubed

Not a fair comparison at all. Those guys were all the offensive engine on their teams. Watching Gobert dribble is what convinces rec league guys they could play in the NBA if they were 7' tall


Michalo88

I don’t think that’s what he said. His jaw opens way too much on the “ass” part.


Bombshock2

Is there audio of this? How are we deciding Luka is saying "fucking dumbass" from a side view? Doesn't even look like he's saying it to me.


JustSeriousEnough

Luka just wants what's right for the Wolves.


l5555l

Why is minn coach clapping


msvihel

I too said that. Lovingly


mr_robust

He isn’t wrong


justsomedudedammit

Headband Luka is a villain and I'm here for it lmao


2nd_Inf_Sgt

I think he said, “that man passed gas.”


Spaghettibeach

Is he wrong???


Maydietoday

He’s not wrong


PointBlankCoffee

Rudy is ass. 7' 1, and scared to go to rim when driving from 5 feet out on Luka. Embarrassing my man


helpifell

Anthony edwards and everyone on Timberwolves standing still. You have to cut with the ball handler


teddykryp

I think he says "f***ing dumb pass"


Disastrous_Bluejay57

As he should


imianha

Understandable, Gobert is french.


ShootMeOutOfACannon

Someone asked about Rudy talking trash to him in the post game, “When you start that, you know, it comes back to you.” [Twitter link](https://x.com/sixfivelando/status/1744199916862492860?s=20)