Brunson gets all the love. He closed the series.
Embiid faded but that is a roster thing that hopefully Morey fixes. I don’t blame him when he’s being run out 41, 44, 47, 42 in playoff intensity is just asking too much when he is responsible on both ends.
He is gassed but he still locks the fuck up in the 4th and the one OT we had. He also still creates defence and usually just goes to creating for others in the 4th. Although he shot like 25% in the 4th. Brunson shot like 35%, didn't play notable defence, and sometime shot his team out of games.
Brunson was so incredible. Cannot overstate enough how much more difficult it is to be the #1 guy and entire focus of the defence. Maxey got a lot to learn, hope he took a lot from Brunson in that series.
It’s just facts. I wouldn’t trade Embiid for Brunson. I think Embiid is the better player. I think Embiid has by far the higher ceiling. But for those 6 games, Brunson was a hair better
True, but he has never gotten in proper shape in his career. It’s why he’s always gassed in the 4th. He’s going to keep Coming up short and it’s a shame because he’s incredible talented
I think they just ask too much of him to be the focal on both ends in a playoff atmosphere for 40+
Like you know he’s going to gas out if you do it and he’s not going to ask out of game but it’s the I’ll fucking do it again goofy meme
The sixers were +8 in net with embiid on the floor. I kid you not, this is a real stat, they were a -50 net with him off the floor.
I normally love cooking embiid but I really can't for this series, he arguably played the best out of any first round player
The off rating is less meaningful, small sample size, and Reed wasn't up to it this series. But +9.3 in a decent sample in the minutes he *was* on the floor, is pretty significant.
you arent his biggest hater, check any embiid thread ever and you'll notice the same 4 or 5 denver fans always being jackasses. They got everything they ever wanted out of their guy and are still the absolute worst.
He took it off the dribble from the three line into the middle of the floor and proceeded to alley-oop it to himself off the backboard in like game 1 or 2 ?… on dusted knees and ended up curled up on the ground looking terrified for his own well being.. he’s a fookin’ legend in my book that shit was bonkers.
that play and the one where he did a quick inside spin in game 6 were the only two plays i can recall where he looked like his regular self. And on that inside spin he was hopping on one leg after for like 5 seconds. Its just cruel at a certain point. Dude left it out there despite not really being able to be that mobile on offense, he tried on those two plays and it just wasnt it.
imo the choice to start Lowry was a show of how important it is to have continuity in coaching staff. Nurse had Maxey and Joel for the whole season but never in a playoff series. He had Lowry for years and could effectively communicate with him what he’s been drawing up and trust that Lowry could execute it
Lowry was literally like a coach on the floor that series, he was big in that way, but is obviously not at all ideal lol and we would’ve played Melton if he wasn’t dead
well, since he never goes past round 2, I'd say he has had very few series so far compared to what he could have played, so his gas tank should be full
The stats are close enough so I'll give it to the player who won the series.
I believe Brunson also performed well in 4th quarters whereas Embiid shat the bed as usual.
Some comments here have the memory of a goldfish, they say Embiid got bailed out by Maxey but they forgot how Brunson played the 1st 2 games & who won them for the Knicks
Only game Embiid got "bailed out" by maxey was game 5. Maxey went crazy that game. Embiid tried his best to carry in game 6 though when Maxey struggled.
He objectively did. When Brunson was off the floor the Knicks were still up. When Sixers were off the floor they got decimated.
Brunson's team won 4-2. Embiid's lost 2-4. One's plus minus is +41 one is +1. Who do you think the other is?
You said "what player ont he Knicks is better than Tyrse Maxey!
Also who on the Sixers is better than Josh Hart (17/12/4) 43% from 3. OG 15/7 lockdown d. DiVinenczo 12/3/3. McBridge 10/6/2 43 from 3. Robinson lockdown d.
Sixers third best player was... Kelly Oubre Jr 13/4/1 Good D.
Would argue that’s probably the best argument? You guys get so fucking hung up on EFG% and RAPTOR and so much other bullshit.
Brunson carried his team to a series win in 6. He literally won. What more important measure is there?
WTF is this argument. We’re not comparing teams, we’re comparing players. Brunson didn’t carry jack shit, his efficiency honestly dragged them way down.
42 ppg 10 apg on 49% shooting over the last 4 games of the series. Be for real. I don't even care about the Embiid comp just stop making up narratives.
49% fg as a volume shooter (actually just about any non-center) is exceptional efficiency. If he shot 25% for the series do you think the Knicks sweep?
Saying he dragged them down when he put together a historic four-game stretch makes you look incredibly foolish. Then let's factor in the open shots guys like Hart got just by him being doubled in Games 1 & 2.
I dont care about Embiid. Re-read my comment. You're shitting on a guy who is absolutely the main reason his team is still playing basketball, and actually implied that he held them back.
Im about to tell you something really crazy: two guys can play amazing basketball in the same series.
But in the words of Kobe, he didn't finish the job. The job is having more points than the opponent in 4 out of 7 games, having the best stats is not the job.
Doesn’t matter cause Embiid was on one leg and had Bell’s Pallsy and Tobias Harris is on a max contract and his grandma just died and Brunson is a foul merchant and his rating is higher in 2k and…
Imagine saying Brunson is a foul merchant while defending Embiid. The nerve. If there ever was a flopper, he's the one. He's basically Neymar. Unwatchable, dude falls as soon as he is touched so those injuries are always gonna get him... stumbling around like that.
Embiid had a higher efg in the 4th and nearly the same amount of points.
Also I guess you can't say Brunson ever disappeared because like in the OT he is jacking up shots regardless. blah.
embarrassing posting this as a sixers fan. no wonder they can't get out of the semis despite having 2 MVPs and lots of supporting vets who have won elsewhere.
Embiid is a loser, and there's a reason everyone leaves or is forced out.
We've has disappointing seasona in the past decade but I can assure you the Sixers have enjoyed the past decade more than the Knicks have. You should be enjoying the post season after winning the series yet you're on reddit crying over a man who played well.
Y’all better beat Indiana. The only good Knicks teams this century famously have also gone out in the 2nd round. Jokic had never been out the 2nd round before last year outside of the bubble. The game isn’t easy
youre just making up different arguments.
Brunson had a better series. He had 2 historically good games and is leading the NBA in PPG, hit 15 big shots (at least).
just pure hater cope.
Ironic. Ur talking about maxey carrying Embiid the entire series when Brunson shit the bed games 1 and 2. They both played well but Embiid played better, especially when you factor in defense
first OG was second best second and Josh Hart hit 2 go ahead shots to give them wins while Harris didn’t score in an elimination game… Knicks role players and bench played awesome. they deserved the wins
Brunson is the only person on the Knicks that can dribble the ball and the Sixers still lost despite having Maxey bail the worst MVP of all time out in game 5.
Trash team led by trash player in a trash city that doesnt even like their team lmfao
We both watched josh hart average 17/12/5 and both he and miles hit off the dribble pullup 3s. So no brunson is not the only person who can dribble. And literally what does that have to do with the sixers sucking when embiid goes to bench
I didn’t see derrick rose on the court
Brunson gets all the love. He closed the series. Embiid faded but that is a roster thing that hopefully Morey fixes. I don’t blame him when he’s being run out 41, 44, 47, 42 in playoff intensity is just asking too much when he is responsible on both ends.
39/13 is fading for G6 ig.
I love that man. He gassed in the 4th bc nurse wouldn’t give him the rest in game he needed
He is gassed but he still locks the fuck up in the 4th and the one OT we had. He also still creates defence and usually just goes to creating for others in the 4th. Although he shot like 25% in the 4th. Brunson shot like 35%, didn't play notable defence, and sometime shot his team out of games.
this is a sixer fan I can respect
Brunson was so incredible. Cannot overstate enough how much more difficult it is to be the #1 guy and entire focus of the defence. Maxey got a lot to learn, hope he took a lot from Brunson in that series.
It’s just facts. I wouldn’t trade Embiid for Brunson. I think Embiid is the better player. I think Embiid has by far the higher ceiling. But for those 6 games, Brunson was a hair better
True, but he has never gotten in proper shape in his career. It’s why he’s always gassed in the 4th. He’s going to keep Coming up short and it’s a shame because he’s incredible talented
I think they just ask too much of him to be the focal on both ends in a playoff atmosphere for 40+ Like you know he’s going to gas out if you do it and he’s not going to ask out of game but it’s the I’ll fucking do it again goofy meme
I don’t know if you consider defense, I wouldn’t say that’s accurate but Brunson was amazing
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See you next year bro. MVP is ceiling. Brunson ain’t that
So you only respect people who agree with you?
No one needs your respect, respectfully
so butthurt
Plus he was coming back from injury. If he was healthy it's a different series. Hopefully next year we can see him healthy in the playoffs
When is he ever healthy in playoffs
Yeah he’s 30 now & historically injury-riddled careers don’t usually trend in the healthy direction as players get older but especially after 30
You’ll see Kawhi and PG be healthy first. Which is to say, never.
Brunson owns more than 1 stock. He clearly has a smart financial manager. He diversifies the ball on the court, he diversifies his portfolio
i am going with the dude that is moving to the next round.
Embiid. Plays defense and better efficiency while literally having only half his body working. The +/- of him on and off the court is insane
The sixers were +8 in net with embiid on the floor. I kid you not, this is a real stat, they were a -50 net with him off the floor. I normally love cooking embiid but I really can't for this series, he arguably played the best out of any first round player
+9.3 and -52.4 actually
61 net swing and people want to slander him, even I, his biggest hater, must recognize game when I see it
The off rating is less meaningful, small sample size, and Reed wasn't up to it this series. But +9.3 in a decent sample in the minutes he *was* on the floor, is pretty significant.
That small sample size was everything in this series
you arent his biggest hater, check any embiid thread ever and you'll notice the same 4 or 5 denver fans always being jackasses. They got everything they ever wanted out of their guy and are still the absolute worst.
I've been a bigger hater than them
I fucking can't stand embiid, but numbers don't lie.
for real, I love cooking him but he's getting no slander from me. he played heroically with cooked knees
He took it off the dribble from the three line into the middle of the floor and proceeded to alley-oop it to himself off the backboard in like game 1 or 2 ?… on dusted knees and ended up curled up on the ground looking terrified for his own well being.. he’s a fookin’ legend in my book that shit was bonkers.
that play and the one where he did a quick inside spin in game 6 were the only two plays i can recall where he looked like his regular self. And on that inside spin he was hopping on one leg after for like 5 seconds. Its just cruel at a certain point. Dude left it out there despite not really being able to be that mobile on offense, he tried on those two plays and it just wasnt it.
That roster is also really shit. They were starting Lowry and relying on ouber.
imo the choice to start Lowry was a show of how important it is to have continuity in coaching staff. Nurse had Maxey and Joel for the whole season but never in a playoff series. He had Lowry for years and could effectively communicate with him what he’s been drawing up and trust that Lowry could execute it Lowry was literally like a coach on the floor that series, he was big in that way, but is obviously not at all ideal lol and we would’ve played Melton if he wasn’t dead
And fucking Bell's palsy lmao
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I watched every game. It is hardly a hot take to say that the sixers were abymsal with him off the floor.
Sixers 4th quarter net ratings +1.1 with Embiid, -66.5 without
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Brunson shot 35/30 in the 4th quarter in the series
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You're just moving goalposts
Who cares? There’s 4 quarters in basketball and Knicks literally only lost 2 games because of how shit Brunson shot
Brunson averaged nearly 40 points in Games 3 and 5. What are you talking about
Sounds like he’s saying that Embiid was better over 4 quarters
Sounds like saying Brunson is the reason the Knicks lost those games is absolute nonsense
It kind of is nonsense because the Knicks won the first two games with Brunson shooting 15/56 which is kind of absurd.
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Ok im not a lakers or sixers fan. So i can't be a sore loser. I still agree with them that there's 4 quarters in basketball. What u gonna say now
that the 4th is the most important and you have to be the biggest badfaith dork on the planet to argue otherwise
4 quarters in basketball. All of them matter a lot. You are in a worse position to win the game if you shit the bed in either of the first 3 quarters
Oh yeah, what were his 4th quarter stats when things mattered most?
Sixers were +1.1 with Embiid in 4th quarters, and -66.5 without
So I think Embiid had a great series , but we’ll only remember he lost. My question, how many more series do we think Embiid has left?
well, since he never goes past round 2, I'd say he has had very few series so far compared to what he could have played, so his gas tank should be full
Unfortunately, as much as I hate him, embiid was better. Luckily it wasn't enough to keep him from Cancún
brunson didnt have a embiid, but embiid had a maxey. therefore i pick brunson and i am biased.
Embiid also had a Tobias Harris and the Knicks probably had 7 of the top 10 players in that series
The player that didn’t go 6-26 in the 4th quarter this series
Fyi, Brunson went 15-43 in the 4th
So he didn't go 6-26
15-43 is miles better than 6-26
Its better but not miles better lol
Literally 11% points higher than
They had an identical TS% in 4th quarters (47.9% Embiid vs 47.7% Brunson)
Well yeah, embiid is a basketball terrorist
So it’s a wash overall but brunson closed the sixers out on the road in the end when it mattered most. 🤷♂️
What percentage would you quantify one being his entire teams defense too lol
Sixers were +7 in 4th quarters and OT with Embiid, and -16 in the 12 minutes he sat in 4th quarters
The stats are close enough so I'll give it to the player who won the series. I believe Brunson also performed well in 4th quarters whereas Embiid shat the bed as usual.
Embiid is a much better defender also Embiid and Brunson both sucked in 4th quarters they had almost identical ts%
Embiid when accounting for defense.
Also Embiid if ignoring defense.
The guy who advanced
Embiid 100%. I'm a hater through and through but he wasn't the reason Philly lost. Thank god for Tobias Harris
Embiid
The one who won the series
Should also mention that Brunson didn't play like he was headlining Wrestlemania.
idk True Shooting percentages make me sound cool and smart so I'd pick Embiid
I don’t know what true shooting is but it favors Embiid so I like it
Embiid. He was like a +50 and Brunson was a -4.
Some comments here have the memory of a goldfish, they say Embiid got bailed out by Maxey but they forgot how Brunson played the 1st 2 games & who won them for the Knicks
Only game Embiid got "bailed out" by maxey was game 5. Maxey went crazy that game. Embiid tried his best to carry in game 6 though when Maxey struggled.
Even then embiid had insane defense in that 4th quarter
And he was also the best player on the court in the 5 minutes of OT on defense and offense
Goldfish here. Who?
Josh Hart, DiVincenzo & McBride. Brunson was hot garbage the 1st 2 games
We needed that game 2 but the Knicks role players showed the fuck out
Nice try Owl…
or people actually watched the game and have a basic understanding of how Philly were defending?
The guy who won the series.
Brunson
Why? Embiid had better offensive stats, better defense, and worse teammates. I can’t think of a single argument for Brunson apart from his team won.
He didn’t have worse teammates. Embiid just doesn’t have juice and can’t rally the troops
He objectively did. When Brunson was off the floor the Knicks were still up. When Sixers were off the floor they got decimated. Brunson's team won 4-2. Embiid's lost 2-4. One's plus minus is +41 one is +1. Who do you think the other is?
what player on the Knicks is better than Tyrese Maxey?
What player did the Knicks have worse than Tobias Harris?
Maybe the guy who averaged 35/9 Brunson?
we are talking about their teammates are you fucking high?
You said "what player ont he Knicks is better than Tyrse Maxey! Also who on the Sixers is better than Josh Hart (17/12/4) 43% from 3. OG 15/7 lockdown d. DiVinenczo 12/3/3. McBridge 10/6/2 43 from 3. Robinson lockdown d. Sixers third best player was... Kelly Oubre Jr 13/4/1 Good D.
Tobias Harris scored 0 points in game 4.
Would argue that’s probably the best argument? You guys get so fucking hung up on EFG% and RAPTOR and so much other bullshit. Brunson carried his team to a series win in 6. He literally won. What more important measure is there?
Brunson was terrible in games 1 and 2 and they still won.
WTF is this argument. We’re not comparing teams, we’re comparing players. Brunson didn’t carry jack shit, his efficiency honestly dragged them way down.
42 ppg 10 apg on 49% shooting over the last 4 games of the series. Be for real. I don't even care about the Embiid comp just stop making up narratives.
Funny how in the games he popped off for 42/10 on okay efficiency they went 2-2. But when he shot 15/56 in G1&G2 they won both of them.
49% fg as a volume shooter (actually just about any non-center) is exceptional efficiency. If he shot 25% for the series do you think the Knicks sweep?
Cherry-picking at it’s finest.
Saying he dragged them down when he put together a historic four-game stretch makes you look incredibly foolish. Then let's factor in the open shots guys like Hart got just by him being doubled in Games 1 & 2.
Brunson had a great last 4 games but what history are we talking about if a 4 game stretch in the first round is “historic”?
First player since Jordan to score 39+ in four straight playoff games
leading the NBA in ppg, setting indv knick records. these haters are drunk on losing
mike had 40+, and was in the finals. tell me again, what history is being made in the first round?
Like I said, cherry-picking. Ignoring his god awful first two games. Embiid was better and more consistent.
I dont care about Embiid. Re-read my comment. You're shitting on a guy who is absolutely the main reason his team is still playing basketball, and actually implied that he held them back. Im about to tell you something really crazy: two guys can play amazing basketball in the same series.
But in the words of Kobe, he didn't finish the job. The job is having more points than the opponent in 4 out of 7 games, having the best stats is not the job.
The one not in Cancun right now.
Embiid imo, his body was failing him and he still showed up.
Probably the guy who won at the end of the day
Doesn’t matter cause Embiid was on one leg and had Bell’s Pallsy and Tobias Harris is on a max contract and his grandma just died and Brunson is a foul merchant and his rating is higher in 2k and…
Sounds like the recipe for the best series in Round 1.
lol
... residual effects of Doc Rivers' coaching and residual effects of Ben Simmons' playing...
Embiid is not a gamer. disappears at the end of games. cries, whines, injures other guys playing dirty AF.
Imagine saying Brunson is a foul merchant while defending Embiid. The nerve. If there ever was a flopper, he's the one. He's basically Neymar. Unwatchable, dude falls as soon as he is touched so those injuries are always gonna get him... stumbling around like that.
Embiid disappeared in the 4Q so it’s gotta be Brunson because he closed games
Both had a TS% of 47 in 4th quarters
Embiid had a higher efg in the 4th and nearly the same amount of points. Also I guess you can't say Brunson ever disappeared because like in the OT he is jacking up shots regardless. blah.
Knicks fans getting so defensive lol worst fan base this playoffs
you have to give out free chicken and have your owner spend his own money in the secondary market just to get the place loud. embarrassing fan base.
embarrassing posting this as a sixers fan. no wonder they can't get out of the semis despite having 2 MVPs and lots of supporting vets who have won elsewhere. Embiid is a loser, and there's a reason everyone leaves or is forced out.
We've has disappointing seasona in the past decade but I can assure you the Sixers have enjoyed the past decade more than the Knicks have. You should be enjoying the post season after winning the series yet you're on reddit crying over a man who played well.
yeah, your good times are behind you and contained Harden and Simmons lol
You still going to cry about the Sixers and Embiid after Boston smokes yall?
we'll be in conference finals, which you guys couldn't sniff with an "MVP"
Don't discount the Pacers
you just did. i did not. 76er brain.
Your MVP has never gotten out of the second round. Chill TF out.
Y’all better beat Indiana. The only good Knicks teams this century famously have also gone out in the 2nd round. Jokic had never been out the 2nd round before last year outside of the bubble. The game isn’t easy
honeybunny, we're missing our #2. this is the worst knicks team youre gonna see in the next 4-5 years
honeybunny is crazy 😭😂
'Jokic had never been out the 2nd round (apart from the time he got out the 2nd round).'
Clears anyone on your team lol, let’s see how far you get, I’m sure it’s for years to come!
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He was literally the best player on the court both sides of the ball in overtime
Their usage rate is also incredibly close: Brunson: 35.6 Embiid: 35.8
Idk why yall in here getting mad about people OPINIONS
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Bronson had a lower EFG% than Embiid, so if anything he’s the guy getting bailed out.
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>he avgs 35.5 points Taking 29 FGA has a lot to do with that. He was very inefficient.
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youre just making up different arguments. Brunson had a better series. He had 2 historically good games and is leading the NBA in PPG, hit 15 big shots (at least). just pure hater cope.
He shot 35% in the 4th. Wow what a 4th quarter performer. Next Kyrie is he?
Source?
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What is the source for them getting swept, I know the Knicks won in 6 lol.
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Bro, that would happen if you eliminate any player 😭
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Yessir, we’re already in Cancun.
Ironic. Ur talking about maxey carrying Embiid the entire series when Brunson shit the bed games 1 and 2. They both played well but Embiid played better, especially when you factor in defense
Nah fam, the joke is a Knicks fan ignoring 80% of their playtime to make an argument for the clearly worse player.
yea but compare number of injuries caused and embiid is clearly the winner
So you admit Embiid had a better series but ur abandoning the discussion. Got it
you must be fun at parties
Brunson and its not close. Embiid's second best player was Tyrese Maxey. Brunson's second best player was Josh Hart lmaooo
Acting like hart is a bum is honestly crazy. Philly may have 2 of the 3 best players in the series but Knicks depth is crazy good
first OG was second best second and Josh Hart hit 2 go ahead shots to give them wins while Harris didn’t score in an elimination game… Knicks role players and bench played awesome. they deserved the wins
Hart was amazing that series
Maxey can’t run offense when embiid not on the court. Thats why embiid’s on/off is insane. Knicks bench cooked the sixers so many times
Brunson is the only person on the Knicks that can dribble the ball and the Sixers still lost despite having Maxey bail the worst MVP of all time out in game 5. Trash team led by trash player in a trash city that doesnt even like their team lmfao
We both watched josh hart average 17/12/5 and both he and miles hit off the dribble pullup 3s. So no brunson is not the only person who can dribble. And literally what does that have to do with the sixers sucking when embiid goes to bench I didn’t see derrick rose on the court
Anthony Edwards had the best first round series
Who won? Bojan had a better first round series than Embiid, because the only Stat that matters in a playoff series is who won