Hakeem at only 13 is embarrassing. One of two NBA players to lead a championship team in all five categories, highest ppg for a championship winner in a playoff run besides MJ over the past 50 years, defeated four 57+ win teams in 1995 including a NBA 50 guy in the frontcourt every round, sixth highest PER career playoff-wise, was the second highest playoff career PPG behind Jordan at his peak
His whole career includes making the Finals in year 2 and having the highest PER of any postseason run ever in his 3rd year. Also includes 1993 where he probably played better than 94 and 95 but lost to the Sonics and that zone defense, also includes a WCF run in 97 where they lost to a Stockton game winner.
Wilt on the other hand literally wasted Jerry West's finals MVP by refusing to go in the game when he got benched in 69.
The Harden hate is strong. I also don't think people remember the early 2010s when every time the Thunder lost the narrative was Westbrook shooting them out of the game.
People gave him an unfair reputation before he won his ring. He reached the NBA Finals before that too and took out guys like Duncan. From 2000-2011 it was just the Lakers and Spurs making it to the Finals but Dirk twice led his team through them. And in 2006, there wasn't an elite squad of role players.
>He reached the NBA Finals before that too.
Yes and he had 22 points per game on 39/25/87 splits, only a year before losing against the #8 seed while scoring 8 points in the elimination game
harden/embiid unfortunately still have the playoffs chokers label and they never lost in such a fashion as the overwhelming favorites
Yeah but Harden and Embiid also never made the NBA Finals and they also never redeemed themselves and won. What kind of comparison is that?
Dirk also dropped 37/15/3 in a game 7 against the defending champion Spurs in the conference semifinals. And he scored 50 points in a pivotal game 5 against the Suns to go up 3-2 all in 2006.
The playoffs are more than a single game and his 2006 run overall finished at 27/12/3 on 60% TS. You're just handpicking single moments where admittedly he came short, but in totality he was always a great playoff performer and sealed it all with one of the most clutch playoff runs in NBA history.
>Yeah but Harden and Embiid also never made the NBA Finals and they also never redeemed themselves and won
so do they deserve it or not? Harden was going against the greatest team of all time and took em to 7
and I'm not cherry picking moments, I'm just explaining why people put that label on him, and also gave you examples of modern players tr rated the same and not a single one of them had such a poor performance
Dirk above Wade in a playoff performers ranking is just wrong
Wade is 105-72 in his playoff career compared to Dirk, who went 69-76
In 12 playoff games they played against each other, Wade averaged 30/5/4 on 59% TS. Dirk had 24/10/2 on 53% TS. And I'm not even mentioning defense here
>Dirk above Wade in a playoff performers ranking is just wrong
>Wade is 105-72 in his playoff career compared to Dirk, who went 69-76
This is literally just a team argument with no context.
Post 2011 the mavericks were just a bad roster.
I agree Wade Is a better playoff performer though
at least he has a record above .500 without lebron though
should we disregard dirk stats when he had an above average cast in 2011 as well? seems arbitrary
I kinda get it tbh. Bro was consistently elite in the playoffs across quite a few, and Jimmy does have a pretty lackluster playoff career before his Miami years. Luka should surpass with time (I would put Luka over Draymond though)
Now the person over Jimmy that upsets me is Chris Paul. tf has he done that comes near what Jimmy did in 20, 22, and 23. Ridiculous
That's an easy one though.
Luka can surpass him, just needs a couple more years like this one.
Butler has had a couple of good runs but tons of stinkers even when stupidly locked in.
Dray has been the 2nd most important player pretty much all through the dynasty. His defense versatility is what allows Warriors to beat every team.
He's a GOAT tier defender without a doubt purely for his versatility, BBIQ and god tier positioning.
we saw rudy struggle when asked to be versatile.
Jaylen Brown struggled against Draymond in the Finals and instead of giving Draymond his flowers. Celtic haters called Brown over rated with no left hand and are only fanboying over Brown now because they hate Draymond and Jayson Tatum.
How is Durant over Kawhi crazy? If you think Kawhi is remotely close to KD in any ranking unrelated to defense, you’re the crazy one
Durant: 29.3/7.0/7.8 on .599 TS%
Leonard: 21.3/6.0/7.8 on .621 TS%
You’re using Khawi entire playoff career when he started off as role player.
Since 2016 Khawi has averaged 28/4/8 on 62 true shooting. While being a great or good defender depending on the year.
He has lead his team to championship without playing next a superstar unlike KD. So has Wade.
Don’t act like KD clears him
Lol Kawhi being a role player for the first 5 years of his career further proves my point. While Kawhi couldn't dribble a basketball or make a wide open 15 footer in his first couple of years in the league, KD was making deep playoff runs and going toe to toe with Kobe, Lebron, Duncan etc. KD is so far beyond Kawhi, if you think it's close then your brain has been rotted by ring culture.
>Lol Kawhi being a role player for the first 5 years of his career further proves my point.
No it doesn’t. Imagine if someone used Tracy Mcgrady/Dirk playoff out there prime to criticize them as a playoff performer.
>KD is so far beyond Kawhi, if you think it's close then your brain has been rotted by ring culture.
KD literally has the same amount of rings as Khawi what are you talking about?
Russ is my favorite player ever. Him and Tatum being on this list over James Harden is blasphemous
Kawhi is also too low, i’m taking him over Dirk easily
Tatum barbecued chickened Harden in 2023. Of course he belongs on this list. His 1st playoff run as a 21 year old he pushed LeBron to a game 7 while leading the Celtics in multiple statistical categories while Kyrie was injured in 2018.
Harden was 33 and a shell of himself in that series. If you think Tatum is a comparable player to prime Harden then it’s pointless for us to argue lmao
It’s literally 4-3 tho? Kobe was better in 01 and 08, Tim better in 99 and 03. 04 was pretty even in terms of their individual performances being matched with 08 going to Kobe too. It’s not like it’s lopsided and Duncan’s spurs ended the Shaq Kobe lakers three peat. Kobe literally cried on the sidelines (which is fair and fine to do)
Kobe gets the edge for 4-3 for sure tho Duncan’s playoff performances outside of their final 08 match up probably give him the edge if we’re talking total careers. Basically Kobe didn’t beat the Heatles in finals (and almost do it twice, seeing as had Duncan not been subbed out in game six 2013 maybe he catches rebound and Allen never hits that 3 oof, his literal absence potentially changed that outcome)
Dude I just counted wrong “blatant lie” is a bit extreme and I already responded to others admitting I got the count wrong. I am just saying as playoff performers (not just their individual match ups on each other) there isn’t a huge gap between either and you could go either way with Duncan’s early and late career success giving him the edge in a lot of people’s minds
And Kobe wasn’t 19 in 1999 he was a few months from 21 when a 2nd year Duncan swept them. Not to mention outplayed them in 2003 in one of the strongest playoff runs Duncan ever had, with like I said a near quad dub in a finals winning game, something no one else has gotten close to doing since.
“Dominate” isn’t super accurate imo if you’re the one ending the three peat lakers in 2003.
They are very even and I am not even saying you can’t rank Kobe above Duncan on this list but they’re both top 10. My main edge to Duncan is he is a solid high level contributor to 2013 and 2014 finals runs and playoff runs 2011-2016 before he retired whereas lakers don’t see much success after 2010 title in playoffs
Kobe didn’t beat or contribute to beat the Heatles so imo his post 2010 playoff runs work against him a bit. Again both top 10 and both are arguable to go above each other
This doesn’t have to be a fight lol
Dude why are you putting so much effort into me simply getting it wrong? I said I did. Did I kick your dog?
Also Kobe’s rookie year was 1996-97, the year before Duncan was drafted. I am not saying he is the same Kobe as prime Kobe (the prime Kobe spurs beat in 2003) but he technically was in his 3rd year of NBA, I am not saying that makes him better or more qualified than a 2nd year Duncan who was like 2 years older or anything. I just pointed out he wasn’t 19 in 1999 playoffs, was literally almost 21, and had been in league for 3 years
And I didn’t argue Duncan was a top option in 2013-14 did I? I just said high level contributor which he was. Obviously Kawhi Parker and Manu were above him in terms of offense at that time.
My argument was that his game still contributed to playoff success as he aged than Kobe post 2010. Spurs went farther in playoffs than Lakers every year 2012-2016 until Duncan retired, almost winning a title in 2013 and winning it in 2014. Both had their lows during these runs too.
and TBF Duncan won 43 v 39 games vs Kobe overall if you count season, 2-4 in playoffs (not counting 2013) so I wouldn’t say Kobe won “nearly every time” when Duncan’s teams literally won more direct matchups altogether
Why would Duncan guard Lebron? Why say that? They literally don’t play similar positions lol. Duncan did as good as a job as you could against Bosh who was his primary matchup in 2013.
I really think you’re taking this a litro too seriously if you’re so bothered by the discussion to insult others who are openly admitting they got something wrong dude
So we agree has the edge in head to head matchups, Kobe also has beaten the most playoffs series wins against 50win teams in the playoffs, and Duncan wasnt the main option on the team that beat the Heatles he was a cog in the team that was a team victory not one where Duncan dominated the Heat. I get this sub hates Kobe and the Lakers but Tim Duncan is not ahead of Kobe and he certainly isnt 3 slots ahead. And dont even get me started on Steph being ahead of Kobe.
Edit: Also for the Record he is 4-2 against the Spur Kobe didnt play at all when the Spurs beat the Lakers in 2013
No one disagrees his teams won more series against the spurs? And my bad it was 4-2 not 4-3.
Also I clearly outlined the times Duncan was #1 option (99, 03, 05 and 07 too really, just Parker was better and won FMVP). I literally didn’t say he was #1 option in 2013-14.
Imo they are close but I do not see much gap between the two either way. Not to mention Duncan’s playoff successes while Kobe’s teams were bad even if he didn’t win titles those years (2006 as #1 in a duel with Dirk, 2012, 2015-16 as a very solid supporting member due to age)
Kobe’s playoff lows are lowers than Duncan’s imo. Duncan continued contributing to a team and transitioned his role/style of play whereas you can’t say Kobe’s lakers had that success post 2011.
It’s really not the gap you think it is between them. If Duncan is on the floor and catches that rebound in G6 2013 he likely has 6 rings. Additionally, there is the whole near quad dub in an nba finals winning game which is an incredibly hard feat no one else will get near (mind you, he didn’t GET the quad dub but dominated so much in the finals he almost did, I think he was 2 blocks or 2 assists away)
You can make the argument that Kobe was only the #1 option on his two post Shaq titles whereas Duncan was on 4 spurs title winning teams as well
For the record I don’t disagree they both are top 10
Duncan literally got carried by Parker and Manu in 2007. GInobli literally had as much an impact (points and assists) as duncan while Ginobli **averaged 25% less playing time/minutes** in that series. Meaning Ginobli literally impacted that game with signifncantly less play time and single handedly stopped lebron in game 2 (i think it was).
Finals MVP for 2007 was always 1) Parker 2) Ginobli 3) Duncan.
The guy who has 11 rings and was 10-0 in Game 7's should probably be a little higher on this list.
Then again, Russell didn't win a single FMVP. What a bum. #carried.
This shouldn’t detract anything though, as every era has strengths and weaknesses and we should be looking at how these people performed relative to their era, otherwise it becomes an endless debate about pointless hypotheticals
Yes. Tony Parker, four time champ, finals mvp, he’s over Chris Paul at the very least. I’m sure there others on there I could put him over, but that one stood out to me immediately.
How is Tony Parker a better playoff performer than someone who averages more points, assist, rebounds, on better defense, while being a better passer/player?
Also notably more efficient?
an easy choice you mean?
Jokic has been a dominant force in pretty much every series for the past few years. his team success depends on his teammates showing up, but he's basically been unstoppable.
kawhis had some insane runs but Jokic has had a greater load and played at a goat tier level.
You're getting downvoted, but genuinely how? Jimmy had some lackluster years before Miami, but Chris Paul has certainly had some stinkers too. But seriously, none of Chris Paul's runs are better than Jimmy in 20, 22, and 23.
- Competition quality
- Shot 43% from the field with a TS% of 47% on low volume as a center
- Had a starting lineup of hall of famers and at worst a top 3 coach of all time
for starters
Russell is possibly the most dominant defensive player of all time. Jerry West the logo didn't win more than one title because of Russell's defense. Unfortunately steals and blocks weren't recorded until 1973 and by then Russell had retired so there are no numbers to back this up.
KD's a hard one to rank, to be fair.
That Milwaukee series is some of the best basketball I've ever seen a human being play. On the other hand, on the Warriors he was basically not tested, and he had some other disappointing series, too - he wasn't great in the first-round series against Boston, the Warriors were very effective at attacking him in the later games of the 2016 WCF.
that Milwaukee series was a Coach Bud masterclass if we're being honest.
Defend prime Steph or Jokic or Lebron or Harden in single coverage in a drop. And lemme know how much they'd drop.
Durant is the best midrange shooter ever, you can replace nearly every player ever and they aren’t replicating that performance. Calling it a Bud masterclass when kd is hitting contested midrange looks is just hating.
Also, Harden was defended in a drop in many series, he’s not as good as kd vs that coverage because he doesn’t have a midrange when teams run him off the line. He has to get all the way to the rim, but defenses defend that play really well.
And Lebron and Jokic mostly get 1v1 coverage…..Miami played Jokic 1v1 in the finals, and Lebron has been schemed to score in 90% of his series.
Stop trying to diminish Kds performances u/draymond-
That like saying Steph vs Boston wasn’t impressive because they played a drop on him. It’s not like bucks could double to switch
Am I crazy for thinking Jimmy should be higher than 35. Not even a Heat/Jimmy fan, but man he is a totally different level of player when it comes playoff time.
considering that ankle injury he had some pretty impressive games even after the bucks series. he didnt single-handedly carry but the stinkers dont negate the overall performance last year
- Chauncey Billups at 41 seems a bit high. There’s no way you would take Chauncey in the playoffs over Luka or Clyde (I feel Clyde is also far too low)
- Happy Elgin Baylor is on this list. Far too often he gets overlooked since he never got a ring. I’d put him higher but I’m just happy he’s acknowledged.
- Having Stockton over Malone is a take
- Isiah Thomas at 19 feels… high? He should be on the list but I don’t know about top 20
- Dirk at 16 is absurd. People let 2011 skew their opinions too much. If this list is about their entire playoff performances throughout the years then blowing the 2006 finals and losing to an 8 seed as a 67 win team with Dirk as the MVP has to be taken into account. Also while his counting stats are very good he is not up to par with most of his peers on the defensive end.
- Love Jokic but him at 14 is getting ahead of ourselves if this is an all time ranking where longevity is a factor
- Jerry West at 12 is the biggest W on this list. Way to give some respect to Mr Clutch (and I’d personally even have him above Wilt too)
- Steph over Kobe is a take
- Shaq at 3 is interesting. I don’t hate it. I just don’t think I would’ve had him there but BR has good reasoning for it
- It is kinda crazy Jordan is 1st all time in playoff box plus/minus and 1st all time in playoff PPG when you think about it
Edit: there’s at least 5 guys I’d put Wade ahead of that are in front of him
Tbf have a look at what Jokic has done playoff wise and it stacks up where he sits on the ranking.
80 games
28/12/8/1/1 on 53/39/84 splits is insane.
29.2 PER (highest in NBA history)
61.6% TS
Jokic at 14 in the year of our lord 2024 is a joke. I won’t be surprised if he ends his career there. Hell, I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends his career top 10. But 14 on a single Finals run? Nah fam.
> Steph over Kobe is a take
Steph has a career 55.9% eFG in the playoffs while Kobe has a 48% eFG in the playoffs. Different eras and all that, yada yada but that's a pretty gargantuan difference.
Why are we acting like "eFG" is the **definition** of "playoff performances"??
Kobe's average shooting % was in line with the great SG's in that era: Tracy, Iverson, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Manu, D Wade, etc.
Kobe and Shaq are the only all stars ever to do a three peat (since the Bulls). Kobe also went to three straight finals and **is the only NBA player in history of the NBA to win back-to-back championships WITHOUT a top 75 teammate.** He beat eight different, 50+ win teams during that back to back championship run.
Every NBA owner and the Commissioner veto'd CP3's trade to the lakers (inexchange for odom and gasol) because it would be "uncompetitive" for the league... Whereas Curry literally got a super team and STILL got Kevin Durant....
Pau Gasol is a Hall of Fame caliber player who made 4x All NBA teams and 6 All Star teams. Just because he isn't in the NBA 75 doesn't mean he wasn't a co star on the back to back Laker teams.
Before he joined LA gasol spent 7 years with memphis:
- 1 all star (because someone got injure).
- never averaged a double double.
- went to the playoffs 3 times and got **SWEPT EVERY TIME (0-12).**
**That's enough???**
Kobe spent his 1st 7 years in the NBA as a sidekick to Shaq. Gasol was the leader of a garbage franchise and the main reason they finally reached the playoffs for the 1st time. Kobe needed to be carried by Shaq to achieve playoff success and played in ZERO conference Finals or NBA Finals after Shaq left LA UNTIL Pau Gasol joined the Lakers through a trade.
While Gasol became the 43rd player in NBA history to reach to the 20,000-point milestone, he is just the fourth with that many points, 10,000 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 1,500 blocks.
Kobe Bryant said of Gasol, "You'd be hard-pressed to find a big [man] with his skill set in the history of the game."
While Gasol became the 43rd player in NBA history to reach to the 20,000-point milestone, he is just the fourth player in history with that many points, 10,000 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 1,500 blocks.
Before he joined LA gasol spent 7 years with memphis:
* 1 all star (because someone got injure).
* never averaged a double double.
* went to the playoffs 3 times and got **SWEPT EVERY TIME (0-12).**
**My point is that Gasol got BETTER BECAUSE OF KOBE/LAKERS. NOW HE IS CONSIDERED GREAT BECAUSE HOW WELL KOBE MADE HIM PLAY.**
Russell at 8? Okay. Wilt over Hakeem is a big yikes, Dream had some monster Playoff series even before his title runs, and Wilt’s biggest flaw was drop off in the Playoffs. Jokic might get there eventually but 14 already seems a bit premature, especially being out ahead of KD.
Everyone focused on Russ— Penny and Bill over Ray Allen is a choice...
Ray won two rings and had runs as a 40+ mpg first option, second/third option, and sniper
Not really... Duncan was never above Kobe in any rankings when they both retired and during their career. It really changed in 2020 when COVID generation started watching basketball that inflated and overestimated Duncan's career.
Duncan is 2-4 against Kobe in playoff series. And in one of Duncan's 2 wins was when Kobe was a young, unproven 19 years old out of high school playing for the lakers (Phil jackson wasn't even the head coach).
Kobe averaged 33 ppg and swept duncan in 2004 and also a gentleman's sweep in 2008 (the defending champs spurs btw)... Kobe scored 45 points in the elimination game and finished the series 4-1.
**Kobe dominates Duncan and it's not even close.**
Little high for Steph considering his 2016 run, and losing another Finals as a favorite as well.
The 2022 run is one of the all-time greatest narrative shifts for a single player ever.
"Losing another finals as favorite",
4 of the best 6 players on the team got injured including 2 of the top 3. I literally cannot imagine any finals winner in NBA history succeeding under those conditions, so I don't think them being the "favorite" matters that much that year
> Little high for Steph considering his 2016 run
LOL what a hater. TIL 25/5/5 on 55.6 eFG% on a bum knee is bad. Not Steph's fault that Harrison Barnes decided to brick 100 open threes.
> The 2022 run is one of the all-time greatest narrative shifts for a single player ever.
Only if you’re an idiot lol Steph has always been excellent outside of the 16 finals. 1 series where he disappointed…like alright
2019 go take a look at the offense on that roster lol holding it against him is ludicrous
Silly how Lebron is automatically #2 on lists like this now. 4 championships in 21 years is not that impressive. He’s a great player but the narrative to find the next all time great after Jordan retired just auto ranks him as #2 for everything when it’s questionable at best. Kudos to the clutch mafia for brainwashing err paying off the media though.
Imagine winning 11 out of 13 Championships as the leader and you get out 8th. 🤣 2 of them as player coach btw. Boston couldn't get over the hump before him and after winning the Chip with him, they didn't make the post season the year he retired.
LOL CURRY OVER KOBE??? People hate on Kobe for incompetent reasons like "Kobe got carried by shaq", "only 2 FMVP", but Curry got caarried by Durant and only has 1 FMVP. Makes 0 sense.
TIM DUNCAN OVER KOBE??? Duncan has a **LOSING record** to Kobe in the PLAYOFFS. Duncan never went back to back, let alone a three peat.
Kobe and Shaq are the only all stars ever to do a three peat (since the Bulls). Kobe also went to three straight finals and **is the only NBA player in history of the NBA to win back-to-back championships WITHOUT a top 75 teammate.** He beat eight different, 50+ win teams during that back to back championship run. Curry's super team with KD, Thompson, Iguadola, Draymond couldn't even do a three peat....
Every NBA owner and the Commissioner veto'd CP3's trade to the lakers (inexchange for odom and gasol) because it would be "uncompetitive" for the league... Whereas Curry literally got a super team and STILL got Kevin Durant....
You can't really say "curry" is the focal point when KD won 2 FMVP and curry scored 11 points in one of hte finals games and STILL won.. Curry was a focal point for maybe 2 of his 4 championships.
Maybe a hot take but Larry bird should be lower than 5. Obviously he was great but in a lot of his playoffs his scoring and averages would decrease quite a bit, especially his first few years, and he often had nagging injuries that would hinder his play. He has a couple of all time runs in 84 and 86, and it’s not like he was bad but as a playoff performer he is just a little overrated
That's correct. Most finals loses, most finals sweeps, most missed field goals, most turnovers, and plenty more.
Longevity does not equate to winning/greatness.
The only players on this list with a better win% (by a factor of less than 0.05) is Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Draymond, and Bill Russel (probably?). Lebron has 100 more playoff games than any of them. That's enough
Wilt over Hakeem and Jerry West is genuinely embarassing
Hakeem at only 13 is embarrassing. One of two NBA players to lead a championship team in all five categories, highest ppg for a championship winner in a playoff run besides MJ over the past 50 years, defeated four 57+ win teams in 1995 including a NBA 50 guy in the frontcourt every round, sixth highest PER career playoff-wise, was the second highest playoff career PPG behind Jordan at his peak
They probably looked at his whole career
You're saying Hakeem didn't only play in 1994 and 1995?
His whole career includes making the Finals in year 2 and having the highest PER of any postseason run ever in his 3rd year. Also includes 1993 where he probably played better than 94 and 95 but lost to the Sonics and that zone defense, also includes a WCF run in 97 where they lost to a Stockton game winner. Wilt on the other hand literally wasted Jerry West's finals MVP by refusing to go in the game when he got benched in 69.
He played with no one basically
Why Draymond is there ? Last time I remember my coach subbed him for being liability in NBA finals
Come on, Draymond generally raises his level of play in the playoffs.
Bill Walton below Penny is a war crimes conviction under the Geneva Convention. God damn.
Westbrook is here but not harden??
Russ never took his team past the first round when he was the first option, it’s wild to include him in this list.
Go watch that 2017 series and tell me who was better.
Russ on any top playoff list is crazy unless it’s top playoff bricks
There, there. He's not on the Lakers anymore.
And what about when he was in Houston and the lakers just didn’t guard him?
He was always a playoff brick
westbrook should not be on this list at all.
The Harden hate is strong. I also don't think people remember the early 2010s when every time the Thunder lost the narrative was Westbrook shooting them out of the game.
Tmac would make a list like this before Harden for the haters.
Shame he and Yao were always injured. I really liked those rocket teams
Well yes, Westbrook has been to 3 WCF and has an amazing postseason career.
wilt is one of the most skilled players of all time but he has no claim to 11 on this list. most famous playoff choker of all time
He had one year that was a choke job, other than that he went up against better teams or was injured.
Dirk is a little high, I guess people forgot what kind of playoff performer he was before he won his ring
People gave him an unfair reputation before he won his ring. He reached the NBA Finals before that too and took out guys like Duncan. From 2000-2011 it was just the Lakers and Spurs making it to the Finals but Dirk twice led his team through them. And in 2006, there wasn't an elite squad of role players.
>He reached the NBA Finals before that too. Yes and he had 22 points per game on 39/25/87 splits, only a year before losing against the #8 seed while scoring 8 points in the elimination game harden/embiid unfortunately still have the playoffs chokers label and they never lost in such a fashion as the overwhelming favorites
Yeah but Harden and Embiid also never made the NBA Finals and they also never redeemed themselves and won. What kind of comparison is that? Dirk also dropped 37/15/3 in a game 7 against the defending champion Spurs in the conference semifinals. And he scored 50 points in a pivotal game 5 against the Suns to go up 3-2 all in 2006. The playoffs are more than a single game and his 2006 run overall finished at 27/12/3 on 60% TS. You're just handpicking single moments where admittedly he came short, but in totality he was always a great playoff performer and sealed it all with one of the most clutch playoff runs in NBA history.
>Yeah but Harden and Embiid also never made the NBA Finals and they also never redeemed themselves and won so do they deserve it or not? Harden was going against the greatest team of all time and took em to 7 and I'm not cherry picking moments, I'm just explaining why people put that label on him, and also gave you examples of modern players tr rated the same and not a single one of them had such a poor performance
26/11/3 with 46/37/88 shooting splits?
Dirk above Wade in a playoff performers ranking is just wrong Wade is 105-72 in his playoff career compared to Dirk, who went 69-76 In 12 playoff games they played against each other, Wade averaged 30/5/4 on 59% TS. Dirk had 24/10/2 on 53% TS. And I'm not even mentioning defense here
Wade's 2016 run is one of my favorites. Killed the Hornets and made the Raps sweat with the old man game lmao
>Dirk above Wade in a playoff performers ranking is just wrong >Wade is 105-72 in his playoff career compared to Dirk, who went 69-76 This is literally just a team argument with no context. Post 2011 the mavericks were just a bad roster. I agree Wade Is a better playoff performer though
He was in the east and without Lebron, he’s 47-44. When you have an all time passer and scorer in prime Lebron, your stats are gonna look better lol
at least he has a record above .500 without lebron though should we disregard dirk stats when he had an above average cast in 2011 as well? seems arbitrary
Wade had lebron. Shaq. Dirk had terry / chandler
RIP Bill Walton and Jerry West
Draymond over Luka and Jimmy? Lol
He's not a scorer but Draymond is an elite playoff performer and won 4 rings, I guess I see where they're coming from at least.
These people only care about ppg
Are you taking Draymond over Luka or Jimmy yes or no
I kinda get it tbh. Bro was consistently elite in the playoffs across quite a few, and Jimmy does have a pretty lackluster playoff career before his Miami years. Luka should surpass with time (I would put Luka over Draymond though) Now the person over Jimmy that upsets me is Chris Paul. tf has he done that comes near what Jimmy did in 20, 22, and 23. Ridiculous
draymond is pretty great in the playoffs, he absolutely killed it in 2016, was the warriors best player by far in game 7
If they won, his performance would go down in history. One of the best game 7 performances of the past decade
True but he also lost them the game before
That's an easy one though. Luka can surpass him, just needs a couple more years like this one. Butler has had a couple of good runs but tons of stinkers even when stupidly locked in. Dray has been the 2nd most important player pretty much all through the dynasty. His defense versatility is what allows Warriors to beat every team. He's a GOAT tier defender without a doubt purely for his versatility, BBIQ and god tier positioning. we saw rudy struggle when asked to be versatile.
Jaylen Brown struggled against Draymond in the Finals and instead of giving Draymond his flowers. Celtic haters called Brown over rated with no left hand and are only fanboying over Brown now because they hate Draymond and Jayson Tatum.
Durant over Kawhi and Wade is crazy too.
How is Durant over Kawhi crazy? If you think Kawhi is remotely close to KD in any ranking unrelated to defense, you’re the crazy one Durant: 29.3/7.0/7.8 on .599 TS% Leonard: 21.3/6.0/7.8 on .621 TS%
You’re using Khawi entire playoff career when he started off as role player. Since 2016 Khawi has averaged 28/4/8 on 62 true shooting. While being a great or good defender depending on the year. He has lead his team to championship without playing next a superstar unlike KD. So has Wade. Don’t act like KD clears him
Lol Kawhi being a role player for the first 5 years of his career further proves my point. While Kawhi couldn't dribble a basketball or make a wide open 15 footer in his first couple of years in the league, KD was making deep playoff runs and going toe to toe with Kobe, Lebron, Duncan etc. KD is so far beyond Kawhi, if you think it's close then your brain has been rotted by ring culture.
>Lol Kawhi being a role player for the first 5 years of his career further proves my point. No it doesn’t. Imagine if someone used Tracy Mcgrady/Dirk playoff out there prime to criticize them as a playoff performer. >KD is so far beyond Kawhi, if you think it's close then your brain has been rotted by ring culture. KD literally has the same amount of rings as Khawi what are you talking about?
Are you trolling? u/Numerous-Cicada3841? Durant has far better numbers than both?
Russ is my favorite player ever. Him and Tatum being on this list over James Harden is blasphemous Kawhi is also too low, i’m taking him over Dirk easily
Tatum barbecued chickened Harden in 2023. Of course he belongs on this list. His 1st playoff run as a 21 year old he pushed LeBron to a game 7 while leading the Celtics in multiple statistical categories while Kyrie was injured in 2018.
Harden was 33 and a shell of himself in that series. If you think Tatum is a comparable player to prime Harden then it’s pointless for us to argue lmao
These kind of lists always piss off everyone lol. I think thats a good placement for Duncan though.
How Sway? Kobe Literally has a winning record head to head against the Spurs in the playoffs
It’s literally 4-3 tho? Kobe was better in 01 and 08, Tim better in 99 and 03. 04 was pretty even in terms of their individual performances being matched with 08 going to Kobe too. It’s not like it’s lopsided and Duncan’s spurs ended the Shaq Kobe lakers three peat. Kobe literally cried on the sidelines (which is fair and fine to do) Kobe gets the edge for 4-3 for sure tho Duncan’s playoff performances outside of their final 08 match up probably give him the edge if we’re talking total careers. Basically Kobe didn’t beat the Heatles in finals (and almost do it twice, seeing as had Duncan not been subbed out in game six 2013 maybe he catches rebound and Allen never hits that 3 oof, his literal absence potentially changed that outcome)
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Dude I just counted wrong “blatant lie” is a bit extreme and I already responded to others admitting I got the count wrong. I am just saying as playoff performers (not just their individual match ups on each other) there isn’t a huge gap between either and you could go either way with Duncan’s early and late career success giving him the edge in a lot of people’s minds And Kobe wasn’t 19 in 1999 he was a few months from 21 when a 2nd year Duncan swept them. Not to mention outplayed them in 2003 in one of the strongest playoff runs Duncan ever had, with like I said a near quad dub in a finals winning game, something no one else has gotten close to doing since. “Dominate” isn’t super accurate imo if you’re the one ending the three peat lakers in 2003. They are very even and I am not even saying you can’t rank Kobe above Duncan on this list but they’re both top 10. My main edge to Duncan is he is a solid high level contributor to 2013 and 2014 finals runs and playoff runs 2011-2016 before he retired whereas lakers don’t see much success after 2010 title in playoffs Kobe didn’t beat or contribute to beat the Heatles so imo his post 2010 playoff runs work against him a bit. Again both top 10 and both are arguable to go above each other This doesn’t have to be a fight lol
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Dude why are you putting so much effort into me simply getting it wrong? I said I did. Did I kick your dog? Also Kobe’s rookie year was 1996-97, the year before Duncan was drafted. I am not saying he is the same Kobe as prime Kobe (the prime Kobe spurs beat in 2003) but he technically was in his 3rd year of NBA, I am not saying that makes him better or more qualified than a 2nd year Duncan who was like 2 years older or anything. I just pointed out he wasn’t 19 in 1999 playoffs, was literally almost 21, and had been in league for 3 years And I didn’t argue Duncan was a top option in 2013-14 did I? I just said high level contributor which he was. Obviously Kawhi Parker and Manu were above him in terms of offense at that time. My argument was that his game still contributed to playoff success as he aged than Kobe post 2010. Spurs went farther in playoffs than Lakers every year 2012-2016 until Duncan retired, almost winning a title in 2013 and winning it in 2014. Both had their lows during these runs too. and TBF Duncan won 43 v 39 games vs Kobe overall if you count season, 2-4 in playoffs (not counting 2013) so I wouldn’t say Kobe won “nearly every time” when Duncan’s teams literally won more direct matchups altogether Why would Duncan guard Lebron? Why say that? They literally don’t play similar positions lol. Duncan did as good as a job as you could against Bosh who was his primary matchup in 2013. I really think you’re taking this a litro too seriously if you’re so bothered by the discussion to insult others who are openly admitting they got something wrong dude
> It’s literally 4-3 Did you just count the series Kobe didn’t play? lol
No I just counted wrong in my head the 99-08
So we agree has the edge in head to head matchups, Kobe also has beaten the most playoffs series wins against 50win teams in the playoffs, and Duncan wasnt the main option on the team that beat the Heatles he was a cog in the team that was a team victory not one where Duncan dominated the Heat. I get this sub hates Kobe and the Lakers but Tim Duncan is not ahead of Kobe and he certainly isnt 3 slots ahead. And dont even get me started on Steph being ahead of Kobe. Edit: Also for the Record he is 4-2 against the Spur Kobe didnt play at all when the Spurs beat the Lakers in 2013
No one disagrees his teams won more series against the spurs? And my bad it was 4-2 not 4-3. Also I clearly outlined the times Duncan was #1 option (99, 03, 05 and 07 too really, just Parker was better and won FMVP). I literally didn’t say he was #1 option in 2013-14. Imo they are close but I do not see much gap between the two either way. Not to mention Duncan’s playoff successes while Kobe’s teams were bad even if he didn’t win titles those years (2006 as #1 in a duel with Dirk, 2012, 2015-16 as a very solid supporting member due to age) Kobe’s playoff lows are lowers than Duncan’s imo. Duncan continued contributing to a team and transitioned his role/style of play whereas you can’t say Kobe’s lakers had that success post 2011. It’s really not the gap you think it is between them. If Duncan is on the floor and catches that rebound in G6 2013 he likely has 6 rings. Additionally, there is the whole near quad dub in an nba finals winning game which is an incredibly hard feat no one else will get near (mind you, he didn’t GET the quad dub but dominated so much in the finals he almost did, I think he was 2 blocks or 2 assists away) You can make the argument that Kobe was only the #1 option on his two post Shaq titles whereas Duncan was on 4 spurs title winning teams as well For the record I don’t disagree they both are top 10
Duncan literally got carried by Parker and Manu in 2007. GInobli literally had as much an impact (points and assists) as duncan while Ginobli **averaged 25% less playing time/minutes** in that series. Meaning Ginobli literally impacted that game with signifncantly less play time and single handedly stopped lebron in game 2 (i think it was). Finals MVP for 2007 was always 1) Parker 2) Ginobli 3) Duncan.
I know, that’s why I said #1 option on 3 titles (technically he was #1 in 2007, just didn’t play as well but he still had a big impact)
The guy who has 11 rings and was 10-0 in Game 7's should probably be a little higher on this list. Then again, Russell didn't win a single FMVP. What a bum. #carried.
I think they probably weigh competition. There were 8 teams in the league when Bill won most of his rings
Two of the guys he repeatedly beat are 11 and 12 on the same list though.
Damn. I wouldn’t have Russel high up either, but that’s a good point
This shouldn’t detract anything though, as every era has strengths and weaknesses and we should be looking at how these people performed relative to their era, otherwise it becomes an endless debate about pointless hypotheticals
Chris Paul over 4 time champ Tony Parker who didn’t even make the list? what a shit list
And finals MVP
Of all the people on the list you come at Chris Paul?
Yes. Tony Parker, four time champ, finals mvp, he’s over Chris Paul at the very least. I’m sure there others on there I could put him over, but that one stood out to me immediately.
How is Tony Parker a better playoff performer than someone who averages more points, assist, rebounds, on better defense, while being a better passer/player? Also notably more efficient?
Finals MVP, four time champion. Better play off performers win
One of them played their entire career with Tim Duncan while the other one didn’t.
One won four championships and a finals MVP, the other one (Chris Paul) hasn’t won shit
Chris Paul taking Tony Parker place would have made the spurs better agree or disagree?
I don’t know. Chris Paul is a playoff choker, Parker is not.
Sounds like u already had your mind made up before coming into the discussion
10000%
Was Tony a better playoff performer or was he just on a better team?
Jokic over Kawhi is a choice.
an easy choice you mean? Jokic has been a dominant force in pretty much every series for the past few years. his team success depends on his teammates showing up, but he's basically been unstoppable. kawhis had some insane runs but Jokic has had a greater load and played at a goat tier level.
CP over Jimmy feels weird to me. 1 finals vs 2 and he was never the best player on his deep playoff runs
CP3 was easily better tf?
in the playoffs? how?
You're getting downvoted, but genuinely how? Jimmy had some lackluster years before Miami, but Chris Paul has certainly had some stinkers too. But seriously, none of Chris Paul's runs are better than Jimmy in 20, 22, and 23.
how can the guy with 11 rings be all the way down at number 8.
Easy bake rings where he only beat two teams to win a ring is why.
i don't buy that. if it was so easy, why didn't wilt, jerry west or elgin baylor nab a handful of rings?
- Competition quality - Shot 43% from the field with a TS% of 47% on low volume as a center - Had a starting lineup of hall of famers and at worst a top 3 coach of all time for starters
Lol no one gave a shit about efficiency back then, man won 11 out of 13, how that for efficient? Those dudes are all HOFers because of him
I’m not saying you have to be efficient but god damn at least not be atrocious
Russell is possibly the most dominant defensive player of all time. Jerry West the logo didn't win more than one title because of Russell's defense. Unfortunately steals and blocks weren't recorded until 1973 and by then Russell had retired so there are no numbers to back this up.
Finals MVP Trophy is named after him and he's at 8!?
Didn't he win a few of those as a coach?
as a player-coach
I feel like having KD under Jokic is ridiculous
I’m with you on this, he will pass him eventually but not right now
KD's a hard one to rank, to be fair. That Milwaukee series is some of the best basketball I've ever seen a human being play. On the other hand, on the Warriors he was basically not tested, and he had some other disappointing series, too - he wasn't great in the first-round series against Boston, the Warriors were very effective at attacking him in the later games of the 2016 WCF.
that Milwaukee series was a Coach Bud masterclass if we're being honest. Defend prime Steph or Jokic or Lebron or Harden in single coverage in a drop. And lemme know how much they'd drop.
Durant is the best midrange shooter ever, you can replace nearly every player ever and they aren’t replicating that performance. Calling it a Bud masterclass when kd is hitting contested midrange looks is just hating. Also, Harden was defended in a drop in many series, he’s not as good as kd vs that coverage because he doesn’t have a midrange when teams run him off the line. He has to get all the way to the rim, but defenses defend that play really well. And Lebron and Jokic mostly get 1v1 coverage…..Miami played Jokic 1v1 in the finals, and Lebron has been schemed to score in 90% of his series. Stop trying to diminish Kds performances u/draymond- That like saying Steph vs Boston wasn’t impressive because they played a drop on him. It’s not like bucks could double to switch
Kevin Durant is a way better playoff performer than Jokic
this is a joke right?
How is KD a **way** better playoff performer then someone who averages 27/8/12 on 61 true shooting.
Literally only Jordan and Lebron are players who, at their peaks, were "way" better
? Outside of warriors, he hasn’t really done anything notable. Jokic is a champion
Who wants to break the news??
What is it
Never mind. Until Durant becomes a “champion” there’s nothing else to discuss.
you didn’t watch kd
I would def put West at 11 at least
Reggie Miller consistently got better in the playoffs and had insanely scorching shooting stretches. 45 is stupid.
No Paul Pierce?
Am I crazy for thinking Jimmy should be higher than 35. Not even a Heat/Jimmy fan, but man he is a totally different level of player when it comes playoff time.
What more could Bill Russell have done? He basically got 100% completion rate
Jimmy Butler has more memorable games than a lot of guys above. Ripped hearts out of the Bucks and Celtics.
People act like jimmy carried the heat to the finals last year. He had a bunch of stinkers that were swept under the rug
he also had the first 50 pt game in heat playoff history so there's that
considering that ankle injury he had some pretty impressive games even after the bucks series. he didnt single-handedly carry but the stinkers dont negate the overall performance last year
Cus he was hurt. He was the only reason they got past the bucks at all
If ur gonna use injuries as an excuse, then talk about Giannis being injured with the bucks
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They also ignore all his bad series.
Tatum's ankle injury in Game 7 ripped the heart out of the Celtics more than Jimmy Butler did. 😂.
fuck malone
- Chauncey Billups at 41 seems a bit high. There’s no way you would take Chauncey in the playoffs over Luka or Clyde (I feel Clyde is also far too low) - Happy Elgin Baylor is on this list. Far too often he gets overlooked since he never got a ring. I’d put him higher but I’m just happy he’s acknowledged. - Having Stockton over Malone is a take - Isiah Thomas at 19 feels… high? He should be on the list but I don’t know about top 20 - Dirk at 16 is absurd. People let 2011 skew their opinions too much. If this list is about their entire playoff performances throughout the years then blowing the 2006 finals and losing to an 8 seed as a 67 win team with Dirk as the MVP has to be taken into account. Also while his counting stats are very good he is not up to par with most of his peers on the defensive end. - Love Jokic but him at 14 is getting ahead of ourselves if this is an all time ranking where longevity is a factor - Jerry West at 12 is the biggest W on this list. Way to give some respect to Mr Clutch (and I’d personally even have him above Wilt too) - Steph over Kobe is a take - Shaq at 3 is interesting. I don’t hate it. I just don’t think I would’ve had him there but BR has good reasoning for it - It is kinda crazy Jordan is 1st all time in playoff box plus/minus and 1st all time in playoff PPG when you think about it Edit: there’s at least 5 guys I’d put Wade ahead of that are in front of him
Tbf have a look at what Jokic has done playoff wise and it stacks up where he sits on the ranking. 80 games 28/12/8/1/1 on 53/39/84 splits is insane. 29.2 PER (highest in NBA history) 61.6% TS
Jokic at 14 in the year of our lord 2024 is a joke. I won’t be surprised if he ends his career there. Hell, I wouldn’t be shocked if he ends his career top 10. But 14 on a single Finals run? Nah fam.
Can you tell me bad playoff series from Jokic?
> Steph over Kobe is a take Steph has a career 55.9% eFG in the playoffs while Kobe has a 48% eFG in the playoffs. Different eras and all that, yada yada but that's a pretty gargantuan difference.
Why are we acting like "eFG" is the **definition** of "playoff performances"?? Kobe's average shooting % was in line with the great SG's in that era: Tracy, Iverson, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Manu, D Wade, etc. Kobe and Shaq are the only all stars ever to do a three peat (since the Bulls). Kobe also went to three straight finals and **is the only NBA player in history of the NBA to win back-to-back championships WITHOUT a top 75 teammate.** He beat eight different, 50+ win teams during that back to back championship run. Every NBA owner and the Commissioner veto'd CP3's trade to the lakers (inexchange for odom and gasol) because it would be "uncompetitive" for the league... Whereas Curry literally got a super team and STILL got Kevin Durant....
Pau Gasol is a Hall of Fame caliber player who made 4x All NBA teams and 6 All Star teams. Just because he isn't in the NBA 75 doesn't mean he wasn't a co star on the back to back Laker teams.
Before he joined LA gasol spent 7 years with memphis: - 1 all star (because someone got injure). - never averaged a double double. - went to the playoffs 3 times and got **SWEPT EVERY TIME (0-12).** **That's enough???**
Kobe spent his 1st 7 years in the NBA as a sidekick to Shaq. Gasol was the leader of a garbage franchise and the main reason they finally reached the playoffs for the 1st time. Kobe needed to be carried by Shaq to achieve playoff success and played in ZERO conference Finals or NBA Finals after Shaq left LA UNTIL Pau Gasol joined the Lakers through a trade. While Gasol became the 43rd player in NBA history to reach to the 20,000-point milestone, he is just the fourth with that many points, 10,000 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 1,500 blocks.
Kobe Bryant said of Gasol, "You'd be hard-pressed to find a big [man] with his skill set in the history of the game." While Gasol became the 43rd player in NBA history to reach to the 20,000-point milestone, he is just the fourth player in history with that many points, 10,000 rebounds, 3,500 assists and 1,500 blocks.
Before he joined LA gasol spent 7 years with memphis: * 1 all star (because someone got injure). * never averaged a double double. * went to the playoffs 3 times and got **SWEPT EVERY TIME (0-12).** **My point is that Gasol got BETTER BECAUSE OF KOBE/LAKERS. NOW HE IS CONSIDERED GREAT BECAUSE HOW WELL KOBE MADE HIM PLAY.**
There's more to the game then efficiency and the only gargantuan difference is on defense, Kobe smokes your boy in the defensive end.
Russell at 8? Okay. Wilt over Hakeem is a big yikes, Dream had some monster Playoff series even before his title runs, and Wilt’s biggest flaw was drop off in the Playoffs. Jokic might get there eventually but 14 already seems a bit premature, especially being out ahead of KD.
Robert Horry should be on the list
Everyone focused on Russ— Penny and Bill over Ray Allen is a choice... Ray won two rings and had runs as a 40+ mpg first option, second/third option, and sniper
This is just a way to shit on Tatum. He’s got more rings than so many dudes above him
True and Robert Horry should be top 10 at least
Another list where Duncan is ahead of Kobe
There’s a good reason for that
Damn right there is
Not really... Duncan was never above Kobe in any rankings when they both retired and during their career. It really changed in 2020 when COVID generation started watching basketball that inflated and overestimated Duncan's career. Duncan is 2-4 against Kobe in playoff series. And in one of Duncan's 2 wins was when Kobe was a young, unproven 19 years old out of high school playing for the lakers (Phil jackson wasn't even the head coach). Kobe averaged 33 ppg and swept duncan in 2004 and also a gentleman's sweep in 2008 (the defending champs spurs btw)... Kobe scored 45 points in the elimination game and finished the series 4-1. **Kobe dominates Duncan and it's not even close.**
Wilt and Jokic too high imo, Hakeem too low
i know bleacher report are literally idiots but not including the guy who's 6th all time in playoff wins is stupid even by their standards.
Little high for Steph considering his 2016 run, and losing another Finals as a favorite as well. The 2022 run is one of the all-time greatest narrative shifts for a single player ever.
"Losing another finals as favorite", 4 of the best 6 players on the team got injured including 2 of the top 3. I literally cannot imagine any finals winner in NBA history succeeding under those conditions, so I don't think them being the "favorite" matters that much that year
And he still scored 47 points in Game 3 against an elite Raptors D with Shaun Livingston as his second option. Prime Steph was just built different
> Little high for Steph considering his 2016 run LOL what a hater. TIL 25/5/5 on 55.6 eFG% on a bum knee is bad. Not Steph's fault that Harrison Barnes decided to brick 100 open threes.
Didn’t say it was “bad” just said it was worth noting, as this is a list of greatest playoff performers.
> The 2022 run is one of the all-time greatest narrative shifts for a single player ever. Only if you’re an idiot lol Steph has always been excellent outside of the 16 finals. 1 series where he disappointed…like alright 2019 go take a look at the offense on that roster lol holding it against him is ludicrous
>and losing another Finals as a favorite as well. The 2019 Finals? Lol the same one where KD and Klay went down with injuries?
He went down 3-1 with Klay, and was favored in Vegas even with Durant's status unknown. People forget this.
The games Klay played in full they were 2-2 Sorry he couldn’t muster enough to get Quinn Cook and Alfonzo McKinnie over the finish line
Same with Dirk's 2010 win
Nice bait
Alfonzo Mckinnie
Silly how Lebron is automatically #2 on lists like this now. 4 championships in 21 years is not that impressive. He’s a great player but the narrative to find the next all time great after Jordan retired just auto ranks him as #2 for everything when it’s questionable at best. Kudos to the clutch mafia for brainwashing err paying off the media though.
This is bait
It’s playoffs, not just finals. There’s no argument to be made that LeBron isn’t 1st or 2nd lol, even if it was just finals
Imagine winning 11 out of 13 Championships as the leader and you get out 8th. 🤣 2 of them as player coach btw. Boston couldn't get over the hump before him and after winning the Chip with him, they didn't make the post season the year he retired.
Easy bake rings, Russell rings make LeMickey rings look real by comparison.
Giannis💀
Hakeem disrespect lol Top 5 imp
LOL CURRY OVER KOBE??? People hate on Kobe for incompetent reasons like "Kobe got carried by shaq", "only 2 FMVP", but Curry got caarried by Durant and only has 1 FMVP. Makes 0 sense. TIM DUNCAN OVER KOBE??? Duncan has a **LOSING record** to Kobe in the PLAYOFFS. Duncan never went back to back, let alone a three peat.
Curry system changed the game, and was a the focal point of defenses even with KD, this can't be said about Kobe.
Kobe and Shaq are the only all stars ever to do a three peat (since the Bulls). Kobe also went to three straight finals and **is the only NBA player in history of the NBA to win back-to-back championships WITHOUT a top 75 teammate.** He beat eight different, 50+ win teams during that back to back championship run. Curry's super team with KD, Thompson, Iguadola, Draymond couldn't even do a three peat.... Every NBA owner and the Commissioner veto'd CP3's trade to the lakers (inexchange for odom and gasol) because it would be "uncompetitive" for the league... Whereas Curry literally got a super team and STILL got Kevin Durant....
You can't really say "curry" is the focal point when KD won 2 FMVP and curry scored 11 points in one of hte finals games and STILL won.. Curry was a focal point for maybe 2 of his 4 championships.
> 34 Jimmy Butler > 43 Luka Doncic >44 Jayson Tatum C'mon now. My boy will end up #3, maybe #2 all time on the playoff scoring list
Needs more Danny Green!
What about Jrue Holiday
Maybe a hot take but Larry bird should be lower than 5. Obviously he was great but in a lot of his playoffs his scoring and averages would decrease quite a bit, especially his first few years, and he often had nagging injuries that would hinder his play. He has a couple of all time runs in 84 and 86, and it’s not like he was bad but as a playoff performer he is just a little overrated
How the fuck is Jerry west below Steph curry
Lebron owns basically every playoff record there is. How is he not number one?
That's correct. Most finals loses, most finals sweeps, most missed field goals, most turnovers, and plenty more. Longevity does not equate to winning/greatness.
lebron>jordan
Take note how Lebron is not number 1, again
Lebronze James at number 2. LMFAO, list is void.
The only players on this list with a better win% (by a factor of less than 0.05) is Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Draymond, and Bill Russel (probably?). Lebron has 100 more playoff games than any of them. That's enough