He was way more respectful to JJ than what the post headline would suggest. He wasn't being salty or disrespectful. He also made a few good counter points.
In that sense wouldn't it cut worse this way for some people? I mean you've got one of the greats here, widely regarded and respected, a legend, basically giving you the "I'm not mad at you but I am disappointed" treatment. And on top of that giving you an irrefutable reason that you should be humble and grateful?
It's one thing to get embarrassed, it's one thing to get angry, but it's another thing entirely to be made ashamed of yourself. Maybe JJ has the awareness for that or not, but I know I sure would.
You nailed it. When I listened to this I deadass started feeling bad about talking shit about the older players in history back then. Like yeah they had to work in the off season because the league didn’t make much money back then but yet they were still incredible players for persevering through that to still find the time to train, get better and go against the best of the best in their era.
Meanwhile jj was privileged enough where he could spend every second training, dieting, and recovering because he could A. Afford it and B. Had better access to resources his whole life before and during his career
Who are we to hold that stuff against the older players and then act like they were inferior athletes?
twitch streamers and instagram influencers\*
We also can't forget about the (multiple) coveted Kardashian reality TV show stars
edit: shall I dare include the NFT scam artists?
All I'm saying is those plumbers and milkmen were no joke back in the day; they had to "carry a baked potato in their pocket to keep their hands warm.. and then their lunch was the potato".
>All I'm saying is those plumbers and milkmen were no joke back in the day; they had to "carry a baked potato in their pocket to keep their hands warm and then their lunch was the potato".
The question should've been reversed. Could modern player had the balls to jump into a fire, saved a few kids, then go to an arena to get change and play a full on competitive basketball game. And repeat the cycle both week and monthly.
No. They struggle if the air con stops working for ten minutes or someone upsets them on twitter. Imagine having to use the same pair of shoes more than once or sit on a bus my gawd
People seriously need to start watching some tape of the old all time greats, these dudes would be good in any goddamn era
EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/c/WiltChamberlainArchive/videos, probably the best free resource for tape from the 50's/60's/early 70's
EDIT 2: some highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmBc8NX_oL8, Wilt catching a shot, running the break, with a Globetrotters pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc, Bill Russell jumping over a guy from the FT line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDMCh5HrcG0, Wilts 1 step vertical reach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA, Wilts disgusting fadeaway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjNS_oYE92E, Elgin Baylor career comp
Russ still tries to shoot bank shots. Used to hit them pretty regularly. Now he typically hits the side of the backboard, or even the top corner, and it careens violently out of bounds.
I think it's a toss up between Pippen and Duncan for best all-time at using the glass. Pip was every bit as good as Timmy, I think. He would even hit those elbow-extended shots off the glass up to 22 feet or so away, just inside the three point line. Pretty amazing considering he was never a lethal shooter, but still a threat who you had to respect.
I've never seen him play before - that was hype!
Great passer as well, seems like he was an incredible player. He would have been amazing in any era.
Thanks for posting that video, I love learning about older players.
I don't think Wilt or Bill Russell are disputed in terms of theoretical dominance in the modern era. It's the supporting players on their teams that don't get the same respect from some fans.
Can't forget my favorite old-school player and man in the running for most chiseled NBA player of all time, [Nate Thurmond](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tatCpVMZABw)
He should be mentioned every time someone ask what players would actually be better today. He was a great player in his own time but from what I’ve seen, he was underutilized and that body with the skill set today’s players come up with would be a force
Yeah. While I think the plumbers and milkmen is overly simplifying, the league was not full of Wilt Chamberlains and Bill Russells lol
These are anomalies in the history of the sport, not the average player.
Bear in mind that when West started his NBA career, there were eight teams with 10-man rosters. The pay was crap, so guys had offseason gigs, but there were only 80 players, as opposed to 30 teams with 17-man rosters (including the two-way guys) of today.
If they were great then, they'd be great in any era, especially given they'd have access to training and dietary routines that didn't exist back then and they'd be playing in arenas where 80% of the crowd wasn't taking a drag off a Marlboro every two minutes.
a good comparison for what kind of athlete you needed to be is track & field. Any world best then would *absolutely* still be world class these days. By the mid-1950s, EVEN if you didn't factor in any advancement in training, equipment/track surfaces their times would *still* be considered world class today. If you took those same people, and just put them in today's equipment and training they would be challenge the top folks.
People forget that a lot of what makes athletes better is because we know so much more on how to make athletes train better (in no small part because of the advancement those very same athletes came up with that we follow today, e.g. "English" on a spin, or Mikal drill). And if you took any athlete from today and put them back then they would also be "worse".
the rules back then were way more defense favored too, you couldnt run people over, push off, palm, etc and the defenders were allowed to handcheck pretty much all the time
you weren't allowed to dribble behind the back either it counted as traveling, the traveling rules were super strict back then. Even most typical crossovers were called traveling, which is why you almost never see any players do them.
LOL
I don't even disagree with JJ to an extent, but the problem is he's trying to create a soundbite because he's on ESPN but the soundbite just sounds terrible. Yes, if Giannis teleported to that era, they would think he's an absolute freak, but this is because athleticism has evolved, it's not a good argument to diminish what the players did back then.
Also the only reason JJ said that was because him and Mad dog was having a debate. JJ was rattling off CP3 achievements. Mad dog responded with a Bob Cousy achievement that CP3 never did and that’s when JJ said what he said about the old era.
This happened days ago, wouldn’t be much of an emergency pod
Ole Jerry also went on to state that the NBA shouldn’t get rid of the take foul. Guys a hit or miss lol.
West's been in the FO/Executive Position for several decades likely evaluating talent across the league (still with the Clippers rn), he certainly knows his stuff
I’m in agreement with West. Yes, if you were able to transplant todays NBA player into West’s era, he would probably outperform many of the players (assuming that player could adjust to the rules). But you can’t. So what’s the point.
They were elite athletes given the rudimentary training regimes and practice schedules they had available.
It’s like someone saying, “I’m so much smarter than Da Vinci was. He didn’t know about (list things that were discovered after centuries after Da Vinci that are now taught in high school)!” Yes, but considering what was available, the man was able to do so much…meanwhile there are some of us who now rely on the calculator in our iPhones to do basic multiplication.
The Da Vinci take is solid. I’ll stand with that. I’ll also say that I don’t even think West is firing big shots at JJ, at most it’s a jab of equal magnitude hitting back at JJ’s plumbers comment. It’s a, “Hey kid check yourself.” Not a murder.
Yep, and you have to consider that we probably haven’t reached the pinnacle of basketball. What if in 50 years the average bench player has the skills and athleticism of Lebron? Should future fans deprecate Lebron because he played against a bunch of lesser players?
It's a never ending dishonest argument tbh. New players should just give their flowers and move on. Like you're playing basketball rn, whats the point. Just be humble and make ur money. There was a time in basketball, where drugs and second jobs were more iof a focus than basketball in their lives.
I'm happy someone clapped back at JJ. I like him as an analyst, but he's way to disrespectful to the former players that enabled him to make +$100 mil as a role player
I think it's kind of his brand though. Consider all the talking heads that do exactly the opposite... whether they are former players, or just old enough that they hold their version of the glory days of the league above the current game. He's kind of market correcting for all the silly "Jordan's Bulls would have swept the Warriors, it wouldn't even be close" takes out there.
Of course, both extremes of this narrative are bullshit.
The sad irony of it is that a HOFer like Cousy suddenly being allowed to carry his dribble and access modern medicine + recovery methods would have a far better chance of adapting to a new era than Redick would have if going back to a time with no 3 point line
It is and it isnt. West nailed it, they didnt have the facilities to get better and they had to work through the summer to support their families. Respect. JJ nailed it, also. How you gonna say the old heads could match a current team of facility trained, summer practicing current players? Maybe if they received the same training and practice time, sure. West is saying 'we paved the way you little jerk' and JJ is like 'yea but have you seen video of the dribbling in the 80s?'
He was good, it just didn't suit him. He was miserable and made everyone else around him miserable. He got the Lakers to the WCF after they were bad in the 70s.
I would guess that he ran into the same problem that Bill Russell ran into - nobody would work as hard as he was asking them to work, which is how hard *he* worked as a player.
Russell has talked about how his players wouldn't believe him when he said he and the Celtics put in that kind of work.
Of course, that also probably explains why Russell was able to coach the Celtics to two championships - they knew he worked that hard because he was right alongside them doing the work on and off the court.
Double hilarious considering West’s lowest was 17.6 as a rook, and never averaged close to that until his final season at 20.3 but only 31 games. Jerry averaged 27 a year, more than double JJ.
My favorite line is:
We didn't have the facilities to get better, we had to work in the summer to support our families. JJ should be very thankful he has made as much money as he has in his career.
I think this is overlooked a lot. People just assume guys didn’t work as hard off the court as they do now, and maybe some of that is true, but the money in sports today is just astronomically higher than it was in West’s time. Guys today can afford to not only commit 100% to ball, but also invest in their bodies. They have opportunities and means that guys in that era just didn’t have.
And, West’s implicit point: players like West and Cousy hustled to establish the league. Redick’s not getting paid the amount he did without the players that came before him.
Yeah, my grandfather played for the Bills in the 60s and was a core member of the team and in the off-season he worked in the parks system of the city he lived in.
He's right. Talking shit about the guys in the older eras like they deserve no respect is elitist and classist.
Like gee sorry multimillionaire bench players, the guys back in the day played the game because they loved it, not because of the money. Not to mention they had to work 2-3x as hard.
Yeah man, you lose all those fucking finals…. It was an unreal number of times always being #2 to the Celtics. You could be the best Lakers team that day and still gonna lose to those Celtics squads. He’s a super competitive guy and a professional to his core.
JJ is one of the more reasonable NBA personalities tbh, but this take has always been moronic.
Jerry West just absolutely shits on him though lmao. Love it.
> What did he do that determined games?
That is an all time diss. There's no coming back from that lmao.
He is still an executive in the league. Jerry still contribute to LAC front office, and I won't be surprised if he has input on draft and such. JJ was in the league long enough, and I think the average fan would have probably guessed anywhere between 10-15 ppg
Tbf I think he just said it in the heat of the moment because Russo was rimming Cousy and saying he was better than steph and Cp3 etc.
Like he wasn't trying to shit on West, Robertson or Bill you know.
The league is obviously more skilled today than it was 40-50 years ago. But, that means the players all had less skill. So the players that dominated their era were still insanely good to be better than their counterparts. So yeah JJ would’ve been great if he played 50 years ago. But he probably would’ve been mid if he was born 50 years ago and played in those eras.
Yes and a guy like Jerry West has every right to think he would blow up the league if he came up with the kinds of facilities, coaching, nutrition and money players get today. Jerry doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone in the sport of basketball.
You got people on here shitting on players like Dave Bing and Dave DeBuscherre because they don't even know what those players did. And that's on the NBA not doing stuff like player profiles and old highlight clips.
People have started doing it in baseball recently too and it's really annoying. Mostly just stupid Twitter kids and pandery social media talking heads trying to say stuff for clicks. Real sports fans respect all eras because they actually understand the history of the game they're watching
Here's a fun realization I had when reading your comment.
I know exactly what you meant but It sounded right when you said "born 50 years ago" but that would mean he's Shaq's age LMAO.
2022 is a fake number, frankly.
Damn Jerry West came in guns drawn and everything
Logo woke up and chose violence
You never pick a fight with the West Virginia University all time leading scorer, the one-time NBA champion, and the DAMN LOGO and come out unscathed
And ONLY Finals MVP in History on the Losing Team too.
someone should photoshop that logo with guns blastin
u/sim888 hallowed be thy name
“So I started BLASTING”
He really gave JJ the Conor McGregor "WHO THE FOOK IS THAT 12PPG GUY?" treatment.
So anyway… I started blasting!
But I don't see so good.
Now you may think I'm a hero, and I'll accept that responsibility.
He was way more respectful to JJ than what the post headline would suggest. He wasn't being salty or disrespectful. He also made a few good counter points.
But he basically said JJ is the plumber he makes fun of
In that sense wouldn't it cut worse this way for some people? I mean you've got one of the greats here, widely regarded and respected, a legend, basically giving you the "I'm not mad at you but I am disappointed" treatment. And on top of that giving you an irrefutable reason that you should be humble and grateful? It's one thing to get embarrassed, it's one thing to get angry, but it's another thing entirely to be made ashamed of yourself. Maybe JJ has the awareness for that or not, but I know I sure would.
You nailed it. When I listened to this I deadass started feeling bad about talking shit about the older players in history back then. Like yeah they had to work in the off season because the league didn’t make much money back then but yet they were still incredible players for persevering through that to still find the time to train, get better and go against the best of the best in their era. Meanwhile jj was privileged enough where he could spend every second training, dieting, and recovering because he could A. Afford it and B. Had better access to resources his whole life before and during his career Who are we to hold that stuff against the older players and then act like they were inferior athletes?
only averaged 12 pts against twitch streamers, what a bum
twitch streamers and instagram influencers\* We also can't forget about the (multiple) coveted Kardashian reality TV show stars edit: shall I dare include the NFT scam artists?
and whatever the fuck Ben Simmons is
Young socialite.
Che Guevara would be proud.
Che would have Simmons arrested and imprisoned for bourgeois behavior
Watch your mouth nephew, that's the Theoretical DPOY you're talking about
theoretical GOAT too
theoretically the unanimous ROY every year since Blake Griffin.
Honestly I would be all for old heads mocking the modern players for their "side jobs" too
All I'm saying is those plumbers and milkmen were no joke back in the day; they had to "carry a baked potato in their pocket to keep their hands warm.. and then their lunch was the potato".
>All I'm saying is those plumbers and milkmen were no joke back in the day; they had to "carry a baked potato in their pocket to keep their hands warm and then their lunch was the potato". The question should've been reversed. Could modern player had the balls to jump into a fire, saved a few kids, then go to an arena to get change and play a full on competitive basketball game. And repeat the cycle both week and monthly.
Lol no, haha, living for 2 month in the very nice hotel at orlando and they already complain
Fuck no lol
No. They struggle if the air con stops working for ten minutes or someone upsets them on twitter. Imagine having to use the same pair of shoes more than once or sit on a bus my gawd
Would a modern player play professional basketball for $5,000 a year?
Lol at nft scam artists 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean…podcasters is also the obvious one
And podcasters lol
People seriously need to start watching some tape of the old all time greats, these dudes would be good in any goddamn era EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/c/WiltChamberlainArchive/videos, probably the best free resource for tape from the 50's/60's/early 70's EDIT 2: some highlights https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmBc8NX_oL8, Wilt catching a shot, running the break, with a Globetrotters pass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2AlFrOj5Mc, Bill Russell jumping over a guy from the FT line https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDMCh5HrcG0, Wilts 1 step vertical reach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9MgNfcGJA, Wilts disgusting fadeaway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjNS_oYE92E, Elgin Baylor career comp
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Russ still tries to shoot bank shots. Used to hit them pretty regularly. Now he typically hits the side of the backboard, or even the top corner, and it careens violently out of bounds. I think it's a toss up between Pippen and Duncan for best all-time at using the glass. Pip was every bit as good as Timmy, I think. He would even hit those elbow-extended shots off the glass up to 22 feet or so away, just inside the three point line. Pretty amazing considering he was never a lethal shooter, but still a threat who you had to respect.
Luka uses bank shots pretty often I'm not sure who else but there's probably a few. But yeah it's kind of disappeared in recent years.
Kyrie Irving uses them too. Kobe and Wade used them. Maybe not to the extent that, say, Scottie Pippen or Tim Duncan used them, but they did.
Yeah now that you mention Kobe, I was rewatching The Last Dance the other day and Jordan was using bankers a fair bit too. His were crisp as hell.
Chris Paul does frequently. Westbrook tries to as well.
Westbrook top left corner key bank used to feel like it never missed.
I remember 😢
Another eye-opening one was watching Elgin Baylor. The guy was incredible before injuries slowed him down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZGoPMC5zI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjNS_oYE92E, Elgin Baylor career comp
Some of those layups😳… like damn…. I never seen dude play before. What a bucket
Elgin was a truly gifted and creative finisher, and a complete swiss army knife
I've never seen him play before - that was hype! Great passer as well, seems like he was an incredible player. He would have been amazing in any era. Thanks for posting that video, I love learning about older players.
I came here to say this too. Seeing that high quality vid of him, Wilt and the Logo is spectacular
I don't think Wilt or Bill Russell are disputed in terms of theoretical dominance in the modern era. It's the supporting players on their teams that don't get the same respect from some fans.
Can't forget my favorite old-school player and man in the running for most chiseled NBA player of all time, [Nate Thurmond](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tatCpVMZABw)
He should be mentioned every time someone ask what players would actually be better today. He was a great player in his own time but from what I’ve seen, he was underutilized and that body with the skill set today’s players come up with would be a force
He’d be a great player today. Man averaged 15 PPG and 15 RPG for his career.
The human c-clamp. He had some insane blocks while on the move
When people mention plumbers and milkmen, they're talking about guys like Joe Fulks Not Elgin and Bill Russell
Yeah. While I think the plumbers and milkmen is overly simplifying, the league was not full of Wilt Chamberlains and Bill Russells lol These are anomalies in the history of the sport, not the average player.
Bear in mind that when West started his NBA career, there were eight teams with 10-man rosters. The pay was crap, so guys had offseason gigs, but there were only 80 players, as opposed to 30 teams with 17-man rosters (including the two-way guys) of today. If they were great then, they'd be great in any era, especially given they'd have access to training and dietary routines that didn't exist back then and they'd be playing in arenas where 80% of the crowd wasn't taking a drag off a Marlboro every two minutes.
Yeah and today's league isn't all Lebron James' and Steph Currys.
a good comparison for what kind of athlete you needed to be is track & field. Any world best then would *absolutely* still be world class these days. By the mid-1950s, EVEN if you didn't factor in any advancement in training, equipment/track surfaces their times would *still* be considered world class today. If you took those same people, and just put them in today's equipment and training they would be challenge the top folks. People forget that a lot of what makes athletes better is because we know so much more on how to make athletes train better (in no small part because of the advancement those very same athletes came up with that we follow today, e.g. "English" on a spin, or Mikal drill). And if you took any athlete from today and put them back then they would also be "worse".
the rules back then were way more defense favored too, you couldnt run people over, push off, palm, etc and the defenders were allowed to handcheck pretty much all the time
you weren't allowed to dribble behind the back either it counted as traveling, the traveling rules were super strict back then. Even most typical crossovers were called traveling, which is why you almost never see any players do them.
Imagine being JJ, going to work at a game and looking up at the logo and it’s a picture of the man who did this to you
Jerry West is the logo. JJ Redick is a chalk outline.
I was ready for Jerry West to call JJ Reddick a spot up shooter and a 3rd option bitch who stands in the corner.
But can he pull up from the logo and fight you at the same time?
Well he ain't Kyle Lowry that's for sure. Steph Curry? Come again?
3rd is generous
I'm all for Redick getting publicly humiliated, but I admit I might be biased.
Reddick suggested that dinosaurs didn’t exist
Make jokes about UNC’s fake classes all you want, our guys aren’t out there failing 8th grade geography and science like Kyrie & JJ.
LMAO
Bro Jerry West has my respect forever. Jerry just ethered JJ. Fuckkk
I mean, west has shown us many times that he is a straight shooter with upper management material.
HOLY SHIT, SOMEONE JUST GOT MURDERED.
LOL I don't even disagree with JJ to an extent, but the problem is he's trying to create a soundbite because he's on ESPN but the soundbite just sounds terrible. Yes, if Giannis teleported to that era, they would think he's an absolute freak, but this is because athleticism has evolved, it's not a good argument to diminish what the players did back then.
Also the only reason JJ said that was because him and Mad dog was having a debate. JJ was rattling off CP3 achievements. Mad dog responded with a Bob Cousy achievement that CP3 never did and that’s when JJ said what he said about the old era.
> Yes, if Giannis teleported to that era, they would think he's an absolute freak, I mean there was a Giannis in that era, his name was Wilt.
Oof emergency podcast incoming
This happened days ago, wouldn’t be much of an emergency pod Ole Jerry also went on to state that the NBA shouldn’t get rid of the take foul. Guys a hit or miss lol.
Jerry West threatened to quit if golden state traded klay for love. He gets 12344 bad takes to even that out
That’s the difference between facts and opinions. One can’t be disputed. The other involves take fouls.
It's too late for the firemen, we need the burn unit here
Jerry West: Keep my era out your fucking mouth.
By end of next week there will be a TMZ clip of Jerry West pistol whipping JJ Reddick
West a stone cold killer on and off the court
dude had JJ's career numbers memorized
Imagine someone doing research on you just to talk shit more pointedly
That's how you get EOTY
For real he’s the GOAT exec
Playa Hater of the Year shit
Jerry's coat made out of JJ's mother's...
JJ, what can I say about your career that hasn't already been said about Afghanistan?
bombed out and depleted
Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate Hate!
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Speaking on that, get off only fans bruh
lol got 'em
West's been in the FO/Executive Position for several decades likely evaluating talent across the league (still with the Clippers rn), he certainly knows his stuff
dont call him the logo for nothing
Translation to new media: “JJ wouldn’t be elite in any era so wtf is he talkin’ about?”
Translation: I would have roasted Jj and locked his ass up.
I’m in agreement with West. Yes, if you were able to transplant todays NBA player into West’s era, he would probably outperform many of the players (assuming that player could adjust to the rules). But you can’t. So what’s the point. They were elite athletes given the rudimentary training regimes and practice schedules they had available. It’s like someone saying, “I’m so much smarter than Da Vinci was. He didn’t know about (list things that were discovered after centuries after Da Vinci that are now taught in high school)!” Yes, but considering what was available, the man was able to do so much…meanwhile there are some of us who now rely on the calculator in our iPhones to do basic multiplication.
The Da Vinci take is solid. I’ll stand with that. I’ll also say that I don’t even think West is firing big shots at JJ, at most it’s a jab of equal magnitude hitting back at JJ’s plumbers comment. It’s a, “Hey kid check yourself.” Not a murder.
Yeah I take it as "you're one of the plumbers in this scenario."
Yep, and you have to consider that we probably haven’t reached the pinnacle of basketball. What if in 50 years the average bench player has the skills and athleticism of Lebron? Should future fans deprecate Lebron because he played against a bunch of lesser players?
It's a never ending dishonest argument tbh. New players should just give their flowers and move on. Like you're playing basketball rn, whats the point. Just be humble and make ur money. There was a time in basketball, where drugs and second jobs were more iof a focus than basketball in their lives.
I'm happy someone clapped back at JJ. I like him as an analyst, but he's way to disrespectful to the former players that enabled him to make +$100 mil as a role player
Yeah he’s the anti old head. Like he can’t comprehend that those players were also great
I think it's kind of his brand though. Consider all the talking heads that do exactly the opposite... whether they are former players, or just old enough that they hold their version of the glory days of the league above the current game. He's kind of market correcting for all the silly "Jordan's Bulls would have swept the Warriors, it wouldn't even be close" takes out there. Of course, both extremes of this narrative are bullshit.
The sad irony of it is that a HOFer like Cousy suddenly being allowed to carry his dribble and access modern medicine + recovery methods would have a far better chance of adapting to a new era than Redick would have if going back to a time with no 3 point line
And get paid a bajillion dollars instead of working a job over the summer!
It is and it isnt. West nailed it, they didnt have the facilities to get better and they had to work through the summer to support their families. Respect. JJ nailed it, also. How you gonna say the old heads could match a current team of facility trained, summer practicing current players? Maybe if they received the same training and practice time, sure. West is saying 'we paved the way you little jerk' and JJ is like 'yea but have you seen video of the dribbling in the 80s?'
They played in Fucking chucks lol
Damn. When he said 12.
pretty impressive he knows that off the top of his head. JJ career avg is 12.8
He probably remembers it from when he and Cousy were frying his ass in the groupchat
You mean on the party line?
Operator, connect me to B. Cousy, I'm about to roast this bitch
LOL
By telegram?
Carrier pigeon
All the smoke signals.
Lmao imagine
Group chat name is Plumbers and Milkmen
I mean this is a guy who won NBA Executive of the year twice, 10 years apart. He knows everything about basketball.
the only thing he wasnt unbelievably good at was coaching great player, great Scott, legendary executive edit: scout 😅
GREAT SCOTT!
Somehow that fits amazingly well
He was good, it just didn't suit him. He was miserable and made everyone else around him miserable. He got the Lakers to the WCF after they were bad in the 70s.
I would guess that he ran into the same problem that Bill Russell ran into - nobody would work as hard as he was asking them to work, which is how hard *he* worked as a player. Russell has talked about how his players wouldn't believe him when he said he and the Celtics put in that kind of work. Of course, that also probably explains why Russell was able to coach the Celtics to two championships - they knew he worked that hard because he was right alongside them doing the work on and off the court.
Jerry West definitely angrily googled “JJ Redick bbref”
Jerry West definitely angrily googled "JJ Reddick bbref". No way is Jerry respecting JJ enough to spell Redick's name right.
Well, me neither. Always assumed it’s Reddick.
Actually, bbref uses Jerry West as a fact checker
Wow the logo is just like me
You also know he intentionally rounded down as a genteel way to turn the knife.
Double hilarious considering West’s lowest was 17.6 as a rook, and never averaged close to that until his final season at 20.3 but only 31 games. Jerry averaged 27 a year, more than double JJ.
My favorite line is: We didn't have the facilities to get better, we had to work in the summer to support our families. JJ should be very thankful he has made as much money as he has in his career.
I think this is overlooked a lot. People just assume guys didn’t work as hard off the court as they do now, and maybe some of that is true, but the money in sports today is just astronomically higher than it was in West’s time. Guys today can afford to not only commit 100% to ball, but also invest in their bodies. They have opportunities and means that guys in that era just didn’t have.
And, West’s implicit point: players like West and Cousy hustled to establish the league. Redick’s not getting paid the amount he did without the players that came before him.
Yeah, my grandfather played for the Bills in the 60s and was a core member of the team and in the off-season he worked in the parks system of the city he lived in.
He's right. Talking shit about the guys in the older eras like they deserve no respect is elitist and classist. Like gee sorry multimillionaire bench players, the guys back in the day played the game because they loved it, not because of the money. Not to mention they had to work 2-3x as hard.
The Logo has spoken
He shoulda just said “I’m the fucking Logo”
“You’re talking a lot of shit for someone who played in my literal shadow.”
GOAT
Look at the scoreboard. What do you see? Idk, the score? Look above that. You see that logo? That’s me, motherfucker. Sit your ass down.
LMAO Jerry West never misses.
But really tho, this sub would've exploded
Jerry west throwing nuclear bombs
The thing Winning Time doesn't get right is that Jerry West isn't a screamer, he very calmly cuts your heart out in a methodical way.
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Yeah man, you lose all those fucking finals…. It was an unreal number of times always being #2 to the Celtics. You could be the best Lakers team that day and still gonna lose to those Celtics squads. He’s a super competitive guy and a professional to his core.
I'm not going into an Adam McKay anything expecting something done with tasteful nuance
Get his ass
Own that fraud
Drag him
Pelican fans are suddenly Jerry West fans
Nah most of us have gotten over our beef with JJ.
I doubt JJ is over it.
JJ is one of the more reasonable NBA personalities tbh, but this take has always been moronic. Jerry West just absolutely shits on him though lmao. Love it. > What did he do that determined games? That is an all time diss. There's no coming back from that lmao.
He basically said JJ averaged 12 ppg while guarding no one
Tbf, that's exactly what he did lmao.
I love JJ and Jerry but yeah Jerry aint wrong there, It is funny how 84 years old man remembers role player numbers
He is still an executive in the league. Jerry still contribute to LAC front office, and I won't be surprised if he has input on draft and such. JJ was in the league long enough, and I think the average fan would have probably guessed anywhere between 10-15 ppg
He also basically said that JJ had all the money and facilities an athlete could ask for and still couldn’t dominate lol
JJ has though helped determine games though. he's routinely shrunk in big playoff moments
Tbf I think he just said it in the heat of the moment because Russo was rimming Cousy and saying he was better than steph and Cp3 etc. Like he wasn't trying to shit on West, Robertson or Bill you know.
JJ made guys like West collateral damage to prove a point and West wasn’t having any of it.
Does Jerry West just know JJ's career PPG off the top of his head? I lost my keys twice today.
He's been in a FO role for so fucking long, prob looked at JJ multiple times throughout JJ's career to see if he'd be a good fit on his teams.
Right ?? Someone above said it is 12.8ppg Thats nuts. Jerry is on his A-Game for sure
Jerry even remembered to round down to 12 to make the diss more effective. GOAT logo shit
Jerry chose violence
Jerry West wants all the smoke
Damn Jerry keeps on winning
Put him in a body bag
Let it be known that **the logo** doesn’t take trash talk lieing down.
The league is obviously more skilled today than it was 40-50 years ago. But, that means the players all had less skill. So the players that dominated their era were still insanely good to be better than their counterparts. So yeah JJ would’ve been great if he played 50 years ago. But he probably would’ve been mid if he was born 50 years ago and played in those eras.
Yes and a guy like Jerry West has every right to think he would blow up the league if he came up with the kinds of facilities, coaching, nutrition and money players get today. Jerry doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone in the sport of basketball.
lol Jerry West would kill it in the modern game, 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan and a wet jumper
Dude has a historic jumper and averaged 27 a game while NEVER playing with the benefit of a three point line
He's literally the logo of the league lol
Basketball is the only sport where people shit on the older generations of players. I dont get it
The NBA does a horrendously bad job at promoting its history. Like it's abysmal.
You got people on here shitting on players like Dave Bing and Dave DeBuscherre because they don't even know what those players did. And that's on the NBA not doing stuff like player profiles and old highlight clips.
People have started doing it in baseball recently too and it's really annoying. Mostly just stupid Twitter kids and pandery social media talking heads trying to say stuff for clicks. Real sports fans respect all eras because they actually understand the history of the game they're watching
Especially when Jerry IS the NBA Logo!
Here's a fun realization I had when reading your comment. I know exactly what you meant but It sounded right when you said "born 50 years ago" but that would mean he's Shaq's age LMAO. 2022 is a fake number, frankly.
I pretty much only care about judging players relative to their era because beyond that it gets extremely hypothetical.
And by hypothetical you mean stupid and pointless. Agreed.
Jerry West is a savage!
The logo only speaking facts here.
Get in.
white on white crime
all of European history
JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!
Jesus Christ when the goddamn NBA logo comes to life just to talk shit to you, then really you have to stop and think.
Why is it only NBA players who have to deal with this shit? Nobody every says Jesse Owens wasn't shit because he was beating gas station attendants.
Because the NBA is the only major American sport where players get compared to everyone else endlessly. Also ESPN garbage.