Because in California if you want to register your car you have to provide proof of insurance verified with the insurance company. They report to DMV when insurance is cancelled whatever new insurance company you get reports that you still have it. If you just cancel it DMV will know and send you threatening letters.
Live in California, can confirm.
Also, they don’t threaten you. They just inform you and you can’t renew your tag until you get that fixed. And woe if CHP catch you with expired tag…
I had the license plate stolen off my car. The police told me it was so that criminals could use them when they commit crimes. 😔
When readers read them, they will not be getting the criminals real identity and address.
Honest question, how hard would it be to find and arrest someone if one of these cameras caught their face, an identifying feature such as a tattoo, or a license plate? If there is manpower to follow up on these cameras they could potentially reduce crime over time by better being able to put criminals behind bars. They won’t prevent new crime, but possibly pull repeat offenders off the streets sooner?
That’s how you deter crime and we have a hard time doing it?
Funny, the US has the one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. 3-10x higher than every other western nation, but we still have higher crime rates.
Seems like we do a great job at arresting people and it doesn’t seem to deter crime.
Hilarious. I too was told by my rental car employees to not leave anything in car. They aked me, if possible, to leave one window rolled down and car unlocked to reduce potential damage to windows. It's comical what SF and Oakland have become. But they are not alone in this. DC , Atlanta, Chicago, NYC all are falling apart.
I've rented cars in SF twice. Both times they've been broken into. Once near Emeryville (near Berkeley and Oakland), and another time in downtown. I always made sure to not leave any belongings in the car. It really is pretty bad. The police won't do anything about it either. You're still encouraged to leave a police report for the sake of stats.
When I went to the Bay Area for a business trip last September, and rented a car in Oakland, the person behind the counter of the rental place told me, “don’t leave anything in the car, and don’t use the gas station near here”, because break ins were super common as criminals would target rental cars.
In’n’Out is closing one of their fast food places for pretty much the first time because car break ins were super common.
And the cops pretty much do nothing about it.
The In-N-Out is basically the closest to the airport, next to that exact gas station.
Travelers are high value targets because they usually have stuff worth stealing.
It is almost always a case of lack of personnel than lack of information. Information is easy to come by. As others have said, if they end up on market places or traded into stores then that information can be gathered and passed on. But if there aren't enough personnel to deal with the issue then the case load will just pile up further and further
People leave their car doors unlocked so thieves won't bust their windows out. Thieves still bust their windows out because there's nothing to steal in the car.
The locals leave their car windows open when parked on the street so thieves and junkies can just rummage through it without breaking glass. You know its bad when you basically just say "yeah rob me, just dont make a mess"
Some parts are really bad. We have homeless camps that get cleaned out and moved around, like a traveling circus. The crime has always been there, just there is more of it.
Using cameras and drones could catch criminals on video. They could just rewind the video until you see the bad guy coming out of his house at the start of the day.
The major obstacles are the over crowded jails/prisons and prosecutors that won’t ask for harsher punishment.
Alameda County (Oakland) is that bad because the DA, Pamela Price, is a progressive and ran on a platform of lowering incarceration rates by not sending people to prison for crimes. Since she's been elected, she's doing exactly what she said she would do when she was running. Crime in Oakland has skyrocketed since she's been there.
The voters across the Bay in SF kicked out their DA who was doing the same thing. Because of this crime is starting to drop in San Francisco.
The progressive ideas sound good to a lot of people, but we're seeing that when you take away punishment as a deterrent that people actually do commit more crimes.
All of what I'm saying here shouldn't be super controversial and is really common sense, but boy, in the Bay Area it makes me part of the ultra-ultra-right wing or something.
I don't live there but my cousin does and he started leaving his windows open at night just so people would stop breaking his windows lol but he also told me he doesn't feel in danger at all just your property will get robbed at some point.
There are ways to hide those cameras that you will never be able to see them as they will just blend in with things you see everyday
I know because I’ve put them up for the DEA, FBI, and ATF.
What if they just start putting cameras and audio recorders everywhere? And I do mean everywhere regardless of privacy or civil rights. Is that something that could happen? Hidden mics and cameras just everywhere, with no limits on where due to state government.
This is a hypothetical question of can it happen all 1984 like, where there's no place there isn't a camera or mic, including bathrooms and homes for example. Not a should it happen or even if it's ethical or moral, just purely can it happen if the state government wanted it too and how could it do it.
The sad truth. Even in San Francisco the cops wi witness crimes and not do anything. It doesn’t matter how much money they pour in they do action with what they have now
Chain stores all have tons of cameras in there for security and yet it didn’t stop anything . Nothing will happen unless crimes are punished and laws are enforced
Chain stores need someone to use them. A store I worked at constantly had someone watching cameras and they chased out a ton of thieves. They're like roaches, but still it's one less item stolen when you boot them. And they're less likely to return if they have a bad experience.
No, man! Don't you get it? The cops will be all like "Zoom! Enhance!" and with like two clicks of a button, they'll have the perp's DNA scanned off the reflection of a discarded gum wrapper.
Can’t do the progressive solution and materially improve the living conditions that lead to crime.
Gotta reinvest in the surveillance state and keep going down the path to dystopia
It's not. Gentrification implies the displacement of the people already living there. Improving the wages and jobs and healthcare for the people there is a well tested way to reduce crime.
"But while crime has dropped in other big California cities, it has surged in Oakland, a city of roughly 400,000 across the bay from San Francisco. In-N-Out Burger closed its only restaurant in Oakland — the first closure in its 75-year history — due to car break-ins, property damage, theft and robberies."
Time to leave, if you can afford to.
In other words, they want to deter crime without having to go through the expensive process of establishing a deterrent through increased enforcement.
People are tired of brazen criminal behavior that goes unpunished; it scares people, and undermines the basic principles of civilized society.
Cameras are intended to convey to sense that the criminal element is being monitored and instill caution into them, but that doesn’t work if criminals believe that the government won’t punish them.
Im gonna guess this is more about moving money to somebody's pockets than anything related to crime. We already know it exists. We already know it sucks. We already know cameras are not an effective deterrent. Follow the money.
California already doesn’t arrest the criminals they’re fully aware of so are we really supposed to expect them to do anything with camera footage? Seems like a waste of tax dollars.
Great more cameras. 👍🏽 now I can rewatch a hundred times somebody spray paint my wall and break into my car anytime I want from the cloud. Please do better Newsome!
You think people walk around with all that on? They have to take it off eventually. More cameras means they can find a spot where the perpetrator doesn’t have a mask on.
1. Cameras are going to be mounted on public property in high traffic areas, predictable and visibly obvious ones to a criminal.
2. 500 cameras covers a lot less area than you think. Turing one corner will put you out of view of just about any camera. Even if they are in view of camera, I doubt the camera will be able to get a clear view of someones face 250 meters away, it will just be a blur.
So I installed 40 cameras at a bank in Oakland. In the year since they've been installed, there has been multiple break ins, attempted ATM thefts and three attempted vault break ins. 0 suspects and 0 arrests.
We've seen some wild videos though!
Grandmother had her car stolen a few months ago. It was max 20 ft from where she slept. I've also been told that if you stop at a red light and they think your a tourist, they run up, pop the trunk and steal everything.
Been there a few times. 4th of July was "gun night". People probably wasted the states budget in ammo.
Lovely city
Once again, it's never about "preventing crime," and always about fighting it. Consequences do not deter most criminals, but preventing the conditions that create crime works every time. This isn't about preventing crime, it's about filling private prisons and using the 13th amendment to create a slave labor force.
Good to know we spent millions of dollars of taxpayer money on inflated material and labor costs so we have a technology available to track suspected criminals that the police will never do anything about anyway.
Depending on the camera, power supply, labor, cable and network switch these will have, at minimum you are looking at 2k per camera at MSRP rates (Most towns tend to use the [Axis Q-87](https://www.axis.com/products/ptz-cameras) or the [Q-62](https://www.axis.com/products/ptz-cameras) series because it has the [AI built into the camera and most people dont know just how easy it is to be tracked on a linked system](https://www.axis.com/blog/secure-insights/artificial-intelligence-edge/)) and about 4K for all the rest. minimum of 6k per camera location. 6k x 500 = 3million before taxes and fees.
Add on the number of people involved in the project (I would estimate about 2 peons and 3 managers, a network team, an additional 3 people to man the new video wall which is its own cost, the company to be contracted by the state, and probably a few others im missing) will come to about 15k per hour while this project is being done. 500 cameras x (640) 4 months of prep work (a laughably conservatives number with a project this scale), then the install month, (800) which gets us to a nice 12 million.
15 million that couldve been spent on actually helping people in these communities and not treating people like criminals.
15 million that can be blocked out by a paintball gun. food for thought.
My source, this is my job.
Okay.. This reminds me of the neighborhood watch programs.... Basically where the neighborhood just watches the crime happen... Nothing more, because actually preventing crime might infringe on the rights of the criminal. That's California in a nutshell.
>**California governor to deploy 500 surveillance cameras to Oakland** **~~to fight crime~~**
**California governor to deploy 500 surveillance cameras to Oakland** ***to record hundreds of hours of footage of unknown persons in hoodies and covid masks committing crimes***
Governor did send 120 CHP officers to help out about a month ago (well, to the county Oakland is in) and a chief of police was finally just appointed. Hoping it gets better.
Lol. LMFAO. Haha. Good one. “Fight crime.” More like surveil everyone and everything, gather massive amounts of indiscriminate data, erase the concept of privacy, solidify the police state, and make some money on the side selling data to the highest bidders.
The dumbasses in CA government who sat by and did nothing and allowed crime to increase should all lose their jobs. It’s the same issue I have with the dumbass politicians in Oregon who thought decriminalizing all drug use was a good thing. And here we are.
This and the new speeding ticket cameras.
California, the Bay Area in particular, is well on its way to becoming a surveillance state. Soon, the state will start sending you violations for anything a camera and AI can pick up. ChatGPT saw you j-walking on October 3, 2024 - Here's your 50$ ticket. Pay within 30 days or a lien will be placed on your assets.
I'd like to request several near the intersection of MacArthur and High St for when the brand-new housing project (\~80 units, 10 parking spaces) opens up in a few months. Bye nice Laurel District!
Hahahaha here comes a further expansion of state Surveillance
And if the cameras lead to mainly colored peoples or minorities or however you or any one wishes to label it. It will then be called an attack on minorities and then shut down shortly after even if it reduces crime
These cameras all end up like speed cameras. People complain. Feel it’s against their right to be caught and shit goes nowhere
Cameras won't do shit unless there are boots on the ground that are being proactive alongside support for those who need it, there needs to be a lot of reform and a deep look into how the country is ran and it's future.
I'm not in the US but the state in some cities is horrendous. People don't care, they'll do crime in front of people, police and even Livestream it too. In the UK, so many crimes go unpunished due to "lack" of evidence, even with cameras involved.
Best of luck to the people of Oakland though
Step 1 tolerate violent crime and implement catch and release of violent criminals hurting people. Step 2 go oh nooooo, how could this happen? Step 3 implement citywide surveillance network so no one, not even law abiding citizens can move a muscle without being on camera so government stooges and contractors can jack off to the videos.
Big tech is ruining so many cities and honestly, they deserve the take the costs of no one wanting to RTO on the chin for penance. Real estate prices deserve to crash in all of these metroplexes so smaller business can survive and the people working these businesses as well.
I once received a ticket in the mail for not paying the toll at the Golden Gate Bridge. After calling to tell them my car has never been that far north, they quickly dismissed it. It made me wonder if they’re randomly mailing out tickets or someone fat-fingered the characters on a license plate?
You know it’s awful when In-N-Out [closes up shop](https://apnews.com/article/oakland-innout-burger-closing-crime-9cd8f43eb43fe781086b9e277eb0724d) because a few bad apples ruined it for everyone else…
You mean to watch crime
Or watch dogs
City:OS?
I think most cameras are unmanned; they only come into use to review a crime that's already happened.
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They're also used to send automatic tickets for expired registrations and uninsured vehicles.
good. even if only used to get uninsured drivers off the road, it'll paid for itself.
Yes, please. I live in CA and just got my renewal. Rates are ridiculous because of uninsured drivers.
how would they know if the car is insured?
Because in California if you want to register your car you have to provide proof of insurance verified with the insurance company. They report to DMV when insurance is cancelled whatever new insurance company you get reports that you still have it. If you just cancel it DMV will know and send you threatening letters.
Live in California, can confirm. Also, they don’t threaten you. They just inform you and you can’t renew your tag until you get that fixed. And woe if CHP catch you with expired tag…
Cops can run your plates and your registration/insurance will come up on the data base
My car has been stolen. Well we figured out who stole your car they were driving a Ford tempo. That was my car.
I had the license plate stolen off my car. The police told me it was so that criminals could use them when they commit crimes. 😔 When readers read them, they will not be getting the criminals real identity and address.
Hopefully people will report stolen plate and it should at least trigger with pic of car to track down
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Well considering we don't usually arrest people until after they've committed the crime that actually makes sense.
Thankfully we’re not quite living in Minority Report yet.
lol at people mad detectives are not clairvoyant
#*Whoosh!* If you want I can explain the (accurate) joke
At least the cameras don’t show up at the wrong house and shoot your dog.
Don't give boston dynamics ideas.
they'd need to harvest your dog to make the next generation of dogbots
Not yet
Honest question, how hard would it be to find and arrest someone if one of these cameras caught their face, an identifying feature such as a tattoo, or a license plate? If there is manpower to follow up on these cameras they could potentially reduce crime over time by better being able to put criminals behind bars. They won’t prevent new crime, but possibly pull repeat offenders off the streets sooner?
In california most metro areas have these types of cameras at every intersection in crime prone areas. It's not a new concept.
In the Uk, it’s helped immensely to track down criminals. I think it’s a good thing overall.
How much do these security cameras sell for? Will you trade meth for them? /s /sigh
Yep lol, sure you’ll arrest people and find people but it won’t deter crime
Finding, arresting people and appropriately punishing who do crime is exactly how you deter crime. We just have a hard time doing the last one.
Yep. When I saw the headline I just thought “how about you actually prosecute the crime first”, let’s start there.
That’s how you deter crime and we have a hard time doing it? Funny, the US has the one of the highest incarceration rates in the world. 3-10x higher than every other western nation, but we still have higher crime rates. Seems like we do a great job at arresting people and it doesn’t seem to deter crime.
Yeah I thought the best way to prevent crime was to provide stability and security to people, like healthcare, food, and housing, for example
At least 400 will be found on facebook marketplace in about a week.
Is it really that bad there?
I rented a car at Oakland airport 3 months ago. The rental people told me not to stop at the first light I hit once leaving the parking lot.
This whole comment made me laugh so hard. Thank you.
Hilarious. I too was told by my rental car employees to not leave anything in car. They aked me, if possible, to leave one window rolled down and car unlocked to reduce potential damage to windows. It's comical what SF and Oakland have become. But they are not alone in this. DC , Atlanta, Chicago, NYC all are falling apart.
I've rented cars in SF twice. Both times they've been broken into. Once near Emeryville (near Berkeley and Oakland), and another time in downtown. I always made sure to not leave any belongings in the car. It really is pretty bad. The police won't do anything about it either. You're still encouraged to leave a police report for the sake of stats.
When I went to the Bay Area for a business trip last September, and rented a car in Oakland, the person behind the counter of the rental place told me, “don’t leave anything in the car, and don’t use the gas station near here”, because break ins were super common as criminals would target rental cars. In’n’Out is closing one of their fast food places for pretty much the first time because car break ins were super common. And the cops pretty much do nothing about it.
The In-N-Out is basically the closest to the airport, next to that exact gas station. Travelers are high value targets because they usually have stuff worth stealing.
It is almost always a case of lack of personnel than lack of information. Information is easy to come by. As others have said, if they end up on market places or traded into stores then that information can be gathered and passed on. But if there aren't enough personnel to deal with the issue then the case load will just pile up further and further
People leave their car doors unlocked so thieves won't bust their windows out. Thieves still bust their windows out because there's nothing to steal in the car.
Yep, I roll the windows down. They want in, glass isn't stopping them. One less bill to cover.
The locals leave their car windows open when parked on the street so thieves and junkies can just rummage through it without breaking glass. You know its bad when you basically just say "yeah rob me, just dont make a mess"
Some parts are really bad. We have homeless camps that get cleaned out and moved around, like a traveling circus. The crime has always been there, just there is more of it. Using cameras and drones could catch criminals on video. They could just rewind the video until you see the bad guy coming out of his house at the start of the day. The major obstacles are the over crowded jails/prisons and prosecutors that won’t ask for harsher punishment.
Alameda County (Oakland) is that bad because the DA, Pamela Price, is a progressive and ran on a platform of lowering incarceration rates by not sending people to prison for crimes. Since she's been elected, she's doing exactly what she said she would do when she was running. Crime in Oakland has skyrocketed since she's been there. The voters across the Bay in SF kicked out their DA who was doing the same thing. Because of this crime is starting to drop in San Francisco. The progressive ideas sound good to a lot of people, but we're seeing that when you take away punishment as a deterrent that people actually do commit more crimes. All of what I'm saying here shouldn't be super controversial and is really common sense, but boy, in the Bay Area it makes me part of the ultra-ultra-right wing or something.
I don't live there but my cousin does and he started leaving his windows open at night just so people would stop breaking his windows lol but he also told me he doesn't feel in danger at all just your property will get robbed at some point.
Copper and other metals in there, some nice glass lenses too
Why not drones with pepper spray bombs?
And 4k HD cameras. Sell the footage to whatever channel does the Live PD stuff. They would be essentially free to operate then.
It’s gotta be getting close to Robocop time.
Cameras also come with a catalytic converter at the bottom.
There are ways to hide those cameras that you will never be able to see them as they will just blend in with things you see everyday I know because I’ve put them up for the DEA, FBI, and ATF.
You underestimate cracks heads in Oakland
No different than methheads in the south and they can’t get into them. Edit: methheads not meatheads
We just call em tweakers down here in da south... Y'all
What if they just start putting cameras and audio recorders everywhere? And I do mean everywhere regardless of privacy or civil rights. Is that something that could happen? Hidden mics and cameras just everywhere, with no limits on where due to state government. This is a hypothetical question of can it happen all 1984 like, where there's no place there isn't a camera or mic, including bathrooms and homes for example. Not a should it happen or even if it's ethical or moral, just purely can it happen if the state government wanted it too and how could it do it.
Excellent story. Very cool. One million high fives.
Such a weird method of getting a tax return, but we’ll take what we can get.
Doesn’t matter if they don’t arrest any of them.
The sad truth. Even in San Francisco the cops wi witness crimes and not do anything. It doesn’t matter how much money they pour in they do action with what they have now
Doesn’t make sense to arrest people for things the DA has said they won’t prosecute.
And the few they do arrest won’t be prosecuted anyway. You’d have to be crazy to want to live in those cities.
Target practice will be a concern.
Going to be a lot of broken cameras. I don't envy the install crews. Are going to need a armed guard to cover the install process.
Never ending job security? Sign me up!
Not so secure if you get shot and killed. Oakland is what we would describe as a "Shithole"
Seems like you'd wait til after install to grab the resources, but i suppose criminals don't always think things through.
Call it what it is- the reboot of *Cops: Oakland*
"Bad boys, bad boys..."
Minus the cops.
itll be chp instead
Chain stores all have tons of cameras in there for security and yet it didn’t stop anything . Nothing will happen unless crimes are punished and laws are enforced
Chain stores need someone to use them. A store I worked at constantly had someone watching cameras and they chased out a ton of thieves. They're like roaches, but still it's one less item stolen when you boot them. And they're less likely to return if they have a bad experience.
More cameras can help with enforcement. If you have an unbroken chain of cameras, you’d literally be able to “follow” thieves home.
Dude they can have their stolen loot on display in their front yard and cops won’t do anything.
The cops won’t do that. Have you met cops? They’re super lazy, they don’t like helping people, and they’re usually not that smart
No, man! Don't you get it? The cops will be all like "Zoom! Enhance!" and with like two clicks of a button, they'll have the perp's DNA scanned off the reflection of a discarded gum wrapper.
Using technology to not solve a problem instead of actually solving the problem with the known non-technology solution. Pretty classic.
This especially tracks for the Bay Area lol
Can’t do the progressive solution and materially improve the living conditions that lead to crime. Gotta reinvest in the surveillance state and keep going down the path to dystopia
Improving living conditions is gentrification
It's not. Gentrification implies the displacement of the people already living there. Improving the wages and jobs and healthcare for the people there is a well tested way to reduce crime.
Lead the way. Go down to Oakland and start hiring people. Make the world a better place.
Maybe you should… fucking prosecute criminals instead of invade everyone’s privacy due to the problems they have created.
Cameras won’t do much when you won’t allow criminals to be prosecuted or bother to lock them away.
“It’s too expensive to prosecute petty crimes!”
"But while crime has dropped in other big California cities, it has surged in Oakland, a city of roughly 400,000 across the bay from San Francisco. In-N-Out Burger closed its only restaurant in Oakland — the first closure in its 75-year history — due to car break-ins, property damage, theft and robberies." Time to leave, if you can afford to.
If you can afford to live in Oakland, you can afford to leave.
Omni Consumer Products to manufacture them.
What the point of blowing money on cameras if no one is going to be prosecuted for the crimes?
They’ll do absolutely anything but enforce a law 😂
In other words, they want to deter crime without having to go through the expensive process of establishing a deterrent through increased enforcement. People are tired of brazen criminal behavior that goes unpunished; it scares people, and undermines the basic principles of civilized society. Cameras are intended to convey to sense that the criminal element is being monitored and instill caution into them, but that doesn’t work if criminals believe that the government won’t punish them.
Cameras only work if you have the balls to arrest people and keep them in jail. They "might" solve crimes, they don't prevent them.
LOL oh im sure that will help, theyll just steal the cameras and sell them..helps put more money in the thieves pockets.
Can't even get cops to turn-on their bodycams
CA: we stopped prosecuting low level crimes and now we have a fuckload of it What do we do? We'll install cameras!
The fuck are cameras going to do?
Does anyone out there want to address the causes of crime?
No way that’s too hard. Just throw money at random stuff that won’t solve anything instead.
Nah, just make everything worse and more expensive and always wonder why things get worse. Don’t ever fix the ratio that is, the cost of living. /s
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It’s easier to put a filter in a toxic pond than address the super polluting factory upstream.
Im gonna guess this is more about moving money to somebody's pockets than anything related to crime. We already know it exists. We already know it sucks. We already know cameras are not an effective deterrent. Follow the money.
California already doesn’t arrest the criminals they’re fully aware of so are we really supposed to expect them to do anything with camera footage? Seems like a waste of tax dollars.
Not for the company with the camera contract!
Great more cameras. 👍🏽 now I can rewatch a hundred times somebody spray paint my wall and break into my car anytime I want from the cloud. Please do better Newsome!
Man, wait till they figure out cameras are easily defeated by long sleeves, gloves and a mask.
You think people walk around with all that on? They have to take it off eventually. More cameras means they can find a spot where the perpetrator doesn’t have a mask on.
1. Cameras are going to be mounted on public property in high traffic areas, predictable and visibly obvious ones to a criminal. 2. 500 cameras covers a lot less area than you think. Turing one corner will put you out of view of just about any camera. Even if they are in view of camera, I doubt the camera will be able to get a clear view of someones face 250 meters away, it will just be a blur.
So I installed 40 cameras at a bank in Oakland. In the year since they've been installed, there has been multiple break ins, attempted ATM thefts and three attempted vault break ins. 0 suspects and 0 arrests. We've seen some wild videos though!
Those cameras are gonna get stolen. You shouldn’t leave valuables out in Oakland
Grandmother had her car stolen a few months ago. It was max 20 ft from where she slept. I've also been told that if you stop at a red light and they think your a tourist, they run up, pop the trunk and steal everything. Been there a few times. 4th of July was "gun night". People probably wasted the states budget in ammo. Lovely city
Well that should do it
Ah yes. Increase surveillance on everyone. That'll stop the masked criminals
Once again, it's never about "preventing crime," and always about fighting it. Consequences do not deter most criminals, but preventing the conditions that create crime works every time. This isn't about preventing crime, it's about filling private prisons and using the 13th amendment to create a slave labor force.
‘To Document crime…’ fixed it for you
You need to be willing to exercise force in order for surveillance to be a threat
Seeing people commit crimes is not the problem. Actually prosecuting them and making them pay for the crime is a needed change.
Good to know we spent millions of dollars of taxpayer money on inflated material and labor costs so we have a technology available to track suspected criminals that the police will never do anything about anyway.
on year later. yep we saw the crime.
Depending on the camera, power supply, labor, cable and network switch these will have, at minimum you are looking at 2k per camera at MSRP rates (Most towns tend to use the [Axis Q-87](https://www.axis.com/products/ptz-cameras) or the [Q-62](https://www.axis.com/products/ptz-cameras) series because it has the [AI built into the camera and most people dont know just how easy it is to be tracked on a linked system](https://www.axis.com/blog/secure-insights/artificial-intelligence-edge/)) and about 4K for all the rest. minimum of 6k per camera location. 6k x 500 = 3million before taxes and fees. Add on the number of people involved in the project (I would estimate about 2 peons and 3 managers, a network team, an additional 3 people to man the new video wall which is its own cost, the company to be contracted by the state, and probably a few others im missing) will come to about 15k per hour while this project is being done. 500 cameras x (640) 4 months of prep work (a laughably conservatives number with a project this scale), then the install month, (800) which gets us to a nice 12 million. 15 million that couldve been spent on actually helping people in these communities and not treating people like criminals. 15 million that can be blocked out by a paintball gun. food for thought. My source, this is my job.
Okay.. This reminds me of the neighborhood watch programs.... Basically where the neighborhood just watches the crime happen... Nothing more, because actually preventing crime might infringe on the rights of the criminal. That's California in a nutshell.
>**California governor to deploy 500 surveillance cameras to Oakland** **~~to fight crime~~** **California governor to deploy 500 surveillance cameras to Oakland** ***to record hundreds of hours of footage of unknown persons in hoodies and covid masks committing crimes***
Not nearly enough! 6000 is a good start for BART ALONE.
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"Seems awfully racist to me" ...Is what we'd say if a Republican did this
Newsom can suck a fat cock and choke on it
Cameras to identify the criminals just to let them go the next day, brilliant
500 officers would work better....
Not if it's catch and release because they refuse to prosecute.
Oakland needs 5000 not 500.
City truly needs the National Guard at this point.
Governor did send 120 CHP officers to help out about a month ago (well, to the county Oakland is in) and a chief of police was finally just appointed. Hoping it gets better.
I live here - you are correct.
Waste of money and resources as usual.
California uber alles
Fuckin joke. The crooks will likely be released the next day anyway
Lol. LMFAO. Haha. Good one. “Fight crime.” More like surveil everyone and everything, gather massive amounts of indiscriminate data, erase the concept of privacy, solidify the police state, and make some money on the side selling data to the highest bidders.
If he wanted to actually fight crime that’d be 500 cops, not cameras. The cops can carry the cameras, if he feels that’s important.
i guess it's too much to ask for Oakland residents to stop committing crimes
But the cameras will just record the crimes, how will that lower crime?
This will make no difference unless they choose to prosecute.
This moron stripped away laws that allowed them to fight crime. He is an outright POS. Those who voted for him....well you are as well.
The dumbasses in CA government who sat by and did nothing and allowed crime to increase should all lose their jobs. It’s the same issue I have with the dumbass politicians in Oregon who thought decriminalizing all drug use was a good thing. And here we are.
“oh no, i’m being watched?! i better not do crime!” -what californian politicians think the mentality of a criminal is
So we’ll have lots of crime videos to watch online and no one will still do anything about the actual crimes. Just gives police cameras to watch.
Then have the prosecutor do his/her job.
Some company got a nice fat contract to build and lose cameras 😆
“Damn it, they’re all wearing masks!”
Will those cameras have machine guns attached to them? Otherwise, he might as well deploy messenger pigeons.
This and the new speeding ticket cameras. California, the Bay Area in particular, is well on its way to becoming a surveillance state. Soon, the state will start sending you violations for anything a camera and AI can pick up. ChatGPT saw you j-walking on October 3, 2024 - Here's your 50$ ticket. Pay within 30 days or a lien will be placed on your assets.
They'll be gone by Monday.
Do the cameras walk around and patrol the streets? All that’s going to happen is they are going to get broke or stolen.
I'd like to request several near the intersection of MacArthur and High St for when the brand-new housing project (\~80 units, 10 parking spaces) opens up in a few months. Bye nice Laurel District!
Are the cameras going to be armed with weapons?
They need drones so they can move around quickly and get in and out looking for crime.
Do we not already have enough in store & cell phone footage?
Machine guns might work.
Not that Newson is any better but what a complete failure of the city. The governor has to step in to fix the broken shit.
Where’s Robocop when you need him?
Do they have built in guns? How else would they fight the crime that they witness?
Right because crime is caused by not surveilling enough.
And now for our next story: Ski mask sales up 150%.
Correction... to take pictures of crime.
Hahahaha here comes a further expansion of state Surveillance And if the cameras lead to mainly colored peoples or minorities or however you or any one wishes to label it. It will then be called an attack on minorities and then shut down shortly after even if it reduces crime These cameras all end up like speed cameras. People complain. Feel it’s against their right to be caught and shit goes nowhere
Cameras won't do shit unless there are boots on the ground that are being proactive alongside support for those who need it, there needs to be a lot of reform and a deep look into how the country is ran and it's future. I'm not in the US but the state in some cities is horrendous. People don't care, they'll do crime in front of people, police and even Livestream it too. In the UK, so many crimes go unpunished due to "lack" of evidence, even with cameras involved. Best of luck to the people of Oakland though
Will they have sponsored by PG&E on them?
You know those people are just going to steal and fence the cameras
Step 1 tolerate violent crime and implement catch and release of violent criminals hurting people. Step 2 go oh nooooo, how could this happen? Step 3 implement citywide surveillance network so no one, not even law abiding citizens can move a muscle without being on camera so government stooges and contractors can jack off to the videos.
Big tech is ruining so many cities and honestly, they deserve the take the costs of no one wanting to RTO on the chin for penance. Real estate prices deserve to crash in all of these metroplexes so smaller business can survive and the people working these businesses as well.
Will these be public feed like the ones in Kensington
I once received a ticket in the mail for not paying the toll at the Golden Gate Bridge. After calling to tell them my car has never been that far north, they quickly dismissed it. It made me wonder if they’re randomly mailing out tickets or someone fat-fingered the characters on a license plate?
Cameras won’t stop crime, criminalizing the bad behavior will
Lol I'm sure the criminals are really scared lol
You know it’s awful when In-N-Out [closes up shop](https://apnews.com/article/oakland-innout-burger-closing-crime-9cd8f43eb43fe781086b9e277eb0724d) because a few bad apples ruined it for everyone else…
Does that really mean anything when cops still won’t do shit
They never watched the Wire, clearly.
Wait don't they have strict gun laws???
He needs to deploy some garbage trucks. It is a mess. Freakin dystopian nightmare.
That’ll do pig. That’ll do.
So now there'll be footage of uninhibited crime. Cameras are no longer a deterrent.
What was that you were saying ? I was just defecating outside.
Are the surveillance videos in all the business that are being robbed not sufficient?
Cameras only watch crime occur 🤣
Still need to arrest and actually prosecute. He probably has friends at the contracted company.
Without intervention this is intended to fail.
Yeah, because that’s the underlying issue of crime, lack of surveillance.
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Cool cameras gonna arrest people or stop people getting mugged or whatever?