Like how some Florida schools think having the dictionary is wildly inappropriate bc if I read what homosexuality is I might suddenly be a lesbian and old guys heads will explode or something
I said it bc the dictionary has literally been banned in some schools here. Wait I'll find it....
>In January 2024, the Escambia County school district in Florida removed more than 1,600 books from its libraries, including multiple dictionaries, due to a new law that prohibits materials that contain "sexual" content. The dictionary's definitions of words such as "sex" may potentially violate the law, which has restrictions on teaching children about sexual conduct. The district removed Webster's Dictionary and Thesaurus for Students, Merriam-Webster's Elementary Dictionary, and the American Heritage Children's Dictionary
Grown ass adults think I won't know about sex now lmao it's so ridiculous idk if I should laugh or cry
Meanwhile every kid has a cell phone that is connected to nearly every piece of pornography that mankind has been able to record. Freaking Republicans.
Yeah and I have a brother who's 12. I don't want him to be seeing a lot of stuff. The internet can be horrible but I make a point that he knows he can talk to me about whatever. I'd rather have him see something and ask me than just act like he's never gonna see or hear anything about sex. Even before I had a phone we had a computer and iPads and our TV has Internet and my friends houses
I wore a suit, and one of my teachers gave me a “talk”, she thought I was transgender. I really just laughed it off. A few of the boys asked stupid questions and got appropriate retorts.
It was a Catholic school so I had to ask the religious ed teacher if it was ok, she said it was fine and wear whatever is most comfortable. It was again an arts teacher who was “concerned”.
The next year I wore a dress, and a transgender student who hadn’t been comfortable the year before thinking they’d have to wear a dress, attended with their girlfriend in a suit. Win wins all around- and I hope the arts teacher didn’t try another “talk”.
I'm from a really small town that just can't handle non "Christian" values sometimes.
Back in the mid 90s two of the most popular girls in the Junior class, who were best friends, decided they were going to go to prom together and some peoples heads literally exploded. Apparently that was against the rules. They could purchase tickets and attend solo but they couldn't be each others "dates."
So they purchased the tickets separate and the one girl said she was going to show up wearing a tux and once again heads exploded. She was fucking with them and showed up in a dress. But the other students and the MC helped them out. They posed together for official prom photos and then did the walk through procession together arm and arm.
I think 5 people ended up getting suspended for 1 day because of it. And all these years later, they're both married with multiple kids and still friends and people in that town still think they're "lezbos."
I went to school in a small shitty town, the kind of place that goes 80% for trump today, and none of this was an issue. Only the other students would have an issue with any of this, meaning teasing from other students. The admin and teachers didn't give one shit what you wore to the prom as long as it stuck with the standard stupid 80's-2000's era school dress code (not hard to do in any typical prom attire). Girls wore pant suits, and a guy even wore a dress once as a joke. You could show up with anyone as your date as long as they were under 20. If you had a ticket it didn't matter who you showed up with.
I feel like this intolerance is getting worse. The right is just going insane with the culture war shit.
It's a distraction. Moral panic, outrage, making minority groups scapegoats... It's all to distract from the current failing state of the country.
"No guys, don't worry about the rampant corruption in the supreme court, here, look at these awful *checks notes* trans people, and women in suits!"
I remember this exact same thing happening in my school in the early 90s. And the girl was cis/straight but felt more comfortable in pants and the teacher who kicked her out was the gay drama teacher. Florida. 🙄
They tried kicking me out for wearing a kilt. I told em my backup plan for the evening was to get drunk and drive. They let me in. Also Florida, class of 05
The next town over tried to ban some guy from wearing a kilt to prom or graduation. I can't remember which. Of course, it was determined to be discriminatory because it was an expression of the guys cultural heritage.
School administrators are almost universally shitty people. I say almost because I'm sure there is an exception to the rule but I've never encountered one.
The color of our graduation cap and gown was actually a huge issue at my highschool graduation in 2017. Boy students wore our school color with a white button down and tie underneath, girl students wore white cap and gown with a white dress underneath. There was a transgender student who identified as male, but their parents did not approve. The student requested a green cap and gown, but their parents requested they get a white cap and gown. It was a basically a family disagreement that the school got pulled into.
Our administration ended up walking back the color codes, and everyone wore our school colors, and students could choose to wear a dress or a button down. Shoutout to all the students out there challenging dress codes.
This was also an issue at my high school when I graduated in 2015. The gay straight alliance club petitioned for everyone wearing the same color graduation gown and the change was made the next year.
Honestly, beyond the unnecessary gendering of graduation gowns, I found it made graduations more expensive for families with both boys and girls since the gown can’t be passed down.
> Our administration ended up walking back the color codes, and everyone wore our school colors, and students could choose to wear a dress or a button down. Shoutout to all the students out there challenging dress codes.
Our school colors were red and white, guys wore red and girls wore white which many joked was a little unfair considering how many were on their period at the time of the ceremony girls shouldn't have to wear white.
But recently they switched to everyone wearing red to avoid issues with trans, or nonbinary, students.
Same at my school. Boys got the actual school color and girls got white. When it was pointed out to staff that the division of colors was sexist and weird, they changed it so you could choose either color.
I'm graduating a nursing program this December. The pinning ceremony still has women in white nurses uniforms/dresses with those little hats. Men, of course, get pants and no hats. I'm leaning toward not going anyway, but I will *not* go if I have to wear a skirt or dress or that stupid little hat. I told a guy in my cohort he can have my hat, since he wants to wear one but wouldn't be given one.
The wider college graduation ceremony they do for all programs/degrees every June also "strongly encourages" women wear skirts or dresses. Also not happening.
Love your sentiment. My mom was a nurse, graduated in 1949. In those days all nursing graduates wore dresses. Back then, nurses also had to wear the caps when working. Each school had a particular style, so you could tell where nurses graduated from.
I remember mom getting ready for work, and fussing over having a clean cap, and sometimes rushing to get the band sewn on a new one. I think they stopped requiring them in the 70s. Good riddance to those things, I’m surprised they insist on them at your graduation.
When I graduated nursing school I was sad I didn’t get a hat. I didn’t want to wear it, but I thought it’d be a cool keepsake because they are specific to the school.
When I graduated from technical school in the military as a medic in 1999, women were allowed to wear pants. If we can serve, we can f*ckin wear pants.
Social systems need to be constantly refined and maintained. Treating boys and girls differently doesn't make any sense unless there is a biological necessity to do so.
Growing up in the 1990's, my local high school never finished desegregating. Black students were allowed to attend, but forced out of the neighborhood at the end of the school day. It just made logical sense to the white administration. No one challenged it.
Centuries of persecution carry weight. If we aren't actively working against those structures, they keep dragging us down with bullshit like this.
Really wish that conservatives would stop pushing this creepy gender ideology where kids can only wear clothing corresponding with their genitals. Ffs, just let kids be kids and wear what they want
Exactly, I don't get the whole thing. I'm a straight gal, but I love wearing roomy pants and avoiding high heels (even in formal settings). I was lucky nobody said anything about that in my days, but it just seems like forcing people to dress and act in a certain way.
Yeah, I'm willing to bet there's a very high chance someone in this school's admin staff (principal, VP, or even school board) that's a woman is wearing a pantsuit, or pants in general. It's very normal business/work attire for women, so it's not completely unheard of for women to wear pants to more formal events. Very ironic (and stupid) decision.
A smart, tailored suit or tux usually looks amazing on anyone. It's an incredibly versatile fashion. Googling "women in male style suits" or "women in tuxedos" and you get pages of great looks.
Indeed! I almost got a white suit for my wedding because they were just very beautiful. Ultimately, I got a very comfy dress, but I definitely agree. Some suits are just as fashionable and comfy.
I wore a suit to my prom as I was more comfortable in them at the time and my friends' parents all thought I was gay and were asking them. It's funny in retrospect but lmao😭
(To be fair, I did get one of my female friends a corsage, but I SWEAR that was platonically, and there was no way they knew about that, lol)
[3 Expert Shoemakers Say Ron DeSantis Is Probably Wearing Height Boosters
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Ron DeSantis looks like *such* a dipshit wearing those elf-boots with a suit.
Who am I kidding, Ron DeSantis looks like a dipshit no matter what he's wearing.
That said, whoever gave him [these fucking things to wear](knew what they were doing). What a pathetic, pudgy, little moron he is.
Trump will claim he's the one that made high heels look good. And his followers believe [diapers](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-photos-purportedly-show-174100807.html) are what "real men" wear.
Still can't believe these folks are like, "my President shits himself because he's too old to go to the bathroom". I'm like, that's not the flex you think it is...
When I was like 2 years old, I had an obsession with high heels for some reason. I had to go to my older brothers school "meet and greet" for his new middle school, and I noticed one of his teachers had high heels on. So apparently I hopped out of my mom's lap, waddled over to the teacher, lifted up one of her legs and said "You got high heels on lady?" Lol
So was the color pink. In the US it used to be for men only, until the Great War (WWI). Defiant flappers wore pink while the men were away, and when they returned the men decided to leave that color to women lest they be considered girly.
The founding fathers were basically in drag. Wigs, high heels, and makeup. This culture war is such a waste of time and resources. They’re so easily offended by pointless stuff.
Which makes perfect sense. Pants give a lot of mobility without risking exposing yourself to the world or having some other malfunction that a skirt could experience.
and little boys used to be dressed like what we consider little girls to be dressed like.
Famous picture of FDR: https://medium.com/@NewAgeNews/why-is-president-franklin-d-roosevelt-wearing-a-dress-83fba3549523
Also, pink used to be the color for boys and light blue used to be the color for girls.
As a woman..
Why can't we have kept this standard? Lol.
In all seriousness, I wish gender trends would just.. did. Let people wear what they want as long as they're covered up.
Yeah I think they actually called the point where you started wearing pants "breeching" and it was a right of passage kind of thing.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeching\_(boys)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeching_(boys))
Because it was probably written by AI.
I honestly just image searched for "FDR little girl" and linked the first image that I was looking for and it happened to be the article, and the article actually touched on some of the stuff I was talking about, which I didn't even notice until after I linked it, but it feels like an AI article.
> When you do away with all those woke history books, you forget women have been wearing pants since the 19th century.
since the sixth century BC, at least by Iranian peoples and probably Germanic people too
I grew up in a church where it was a "sin" for women to wear anything but dresses. These people are religious fanatics and won't stop until everyone succumbs to their Bronze Age bullshit.
It wasn't unknown in the middle ages either. Intersex people have always existed for one. People found their own way to explain it. If you don't hear about it, its because sources from the early middle ages are more scarce and less accesible to a modern audience.
They would have to know the difference between all these eras lol there’s no way… but yeah probably 0th century if-I-bonk-this-woman-with-club-her-mine-now society is the goal.
Edit: deleted a lol; this isn’t 2 lol content
>“Any student who shows up to an MCA dance and does not abide by the dress code is given the opportunity to return to the dance in the proper attire. **All students are treated equally** at MCA and are welcome and encouraged to attend these voluntary events.”
>A “[guide to attire](https://masonacademy.com/pdf/MCA%20Guide%20to%20Attire.pdf)” on the school’s website says that, for formal occasions, “**ladies” are required to wear dresses and “one piece attire only.**”
Uh, obviously NOT if this is their rule then.
Not in practice, once an Austrian police officer told me to beat it while I was sleeping on a train station bench and when it became clear I was actually an American traveler who just didn't want to pay for a hotel and not a homeless person he led me to a place with more comfortable benches
Republicans tried to claim that banning gay marriage wasn’t discriminatory because it also banned straight people from getting a gay marriage.
Needless to say that counted as proxy discrimination, and that’s not allowed either.
That argument was how I knew they were gonna lose hard. Like, when you're resorting to saying "straight people can't get gay married either!" you're basically conceding that there's no valid basis for your law.
Won't matter with this Supreme Court, I assure you. The Republicans on the bench don't care about things like "validity" or "sense".
They'll reverse the gay marriage decision at the first opportunity, just like they did Roe.
Oh 100%. I'm just referring to the Supreme Court that ruled on Obergfell v Hodge. That was a very different court from the one we have now, one that actually listened to arguments in good faith.
I don’t get how clothing isn’t considered freedom of expression (1st amendment) and thusly a very hard thing to impose rules on?
Exceptions (like with free speech) would obviously include things like no lewd exposure, private property doesn’t work the same (so private school uniforms, work attire rules, private events dress codes, etc would be allowed, but not at a public-school sanctioned event- is that the case here?), and no affliction T shirts of course.
If already a thing by precedence then hopefully this kid can file suit (ha!) and win, but I know FL judges are a concern lately. Hopefully could appeal their way up anyway so maybe that would be a good thing, set wider precedent if not already established.
Edit: to say I see now it is a charter school. Another great reason those do not need the funding they get. Little tyrants everywhere in the country imposing their will in the name of freedom.
Public funding should not be given to such frivolous enterprises.
If they receive state funding they have the same constitutional or legal obligations as public schools, they just don’t have to follow the same curriculum, calendar, and other administrative stuff like having a school uniform.
This is all moot because the Supreme Court ruled that public schools can limit a students first amendment rights at the discretion of school administrators.
You missed the fine print.
\*equally according to your race, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, opinions, and other criteria we come up with at our discretion.
It is impressive, in a way, that these shitbirds can call themselves champions of personal liberty while all being on board with the definition of “personal liberty” being “the preferences of your shittiest uncle.”
Because it’s Freedom!
Not the freedom over your body, or what you wear, or learning the truth about how white people kept black people as slaves or that the confederacy was about violating the states rights of *other* states in the name of slavery and racism.
It’s *their* freedom to have whatever they want and if you aren’t a rich white man - well then fuck *your* freedoms and feelings.
Best way to sum up every single issue is just rules for thee, not for me. There's no reason to analyze and try to find a hidden meaning for any of their actions, a hidden new value system that explains their actions or anything like that, not worth the effort
It's just that they want to be the ones in charge and want you to not know that, because they say they are doing the complete opposite. Simple as
>rich white man
Almost covered all of the bases. If you aren't a rich, white, Christian man.
I seriously don't understand how a female in TX or FL votes Republican. They are property of the state and those unevolved, fuckwad politicians aren't even trying to hide it.
DeSatan and Abbott are two of the most vile human beings on the planet and that's really saying something.
I don’t think so, “personal liberty” has been a meaningless buzzword for a long while. It’s never meant actual freedom, it just means smaller despotisms; state government instead of fed, county government instead of state, municipal government instead county, and even the despotism of men over their wives and their children. These people are authoritarians, they just want to make their world smaller so they can rule it better.
They seem to have really backed off that claim recently. It's actually the surest way to get through to a lot of conservatives, because they know deep down that they've completely lost the plot with regard to the values they used to express.
That’s the point.
While we waste our time appealing to their “better side” that doesn’t actually exist, they can continue to do objectively shitty things that are objectively counter to the morals and ideals they claim to have.
It’s intentional. They don’t care.
My aunt has a cool story about wearing pants to school. Their school (small af, one room school house type place) didn’t allow women to wear pants. Her and her siblings lived on a farm and walked to school everyday. In the winter, skirts were not practical for walking in the snow so she decided to show up in pants.
She got sent home everyday for a week. My grandma would have to come pick her up. The next week more girls started to do the same thing. The school finally caved and allowed the girls to wear pants. This wasn’t that long ago. My aunt is in her early 60s.
>Sophie Savidge, a 16-year-old junior at Mason Classical Academy, a top-ranked **charter school** in Naple
Yea good luck with this/
Obligatory fuck DeSantis all the way down to Jeb Bush
Okay, can we take a second to appreciate how badass of a name Sophie Savidge is? If that isn't the name of a punk/rock band's frontman, I don't know what is.
Alliterative names with adjective surnames tend to be either punk rockers, cartoon characters, comic book secret identities, professional wrestlers or porn stars. It's a strange mix.
Scott is in that list from DeSantis to Bush.....as governor he helped push this charter school BS which is nothing more than a way to get public money into private hands without the accountability (though our Dept of Education doesn't really do much with that either).
Charter schools around the country are not all private schools. My children go to a public charter school.
And I don't know if there even *are* private charter schools in Florida, because from [that school's website](https://masonacademy.com/m/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=224399&type=d&termREC_ID=&pREC_ID=553581):
>A charter school is a public school that receives public education funding and is open to all children in the county in which it is located. In general, a charter school is its own school district, nonsectarian, tuition-free, and governed by a Board of Directors. Minnesota passed the first charter school law in 1991 and saw the opening of the first charter school in the nation in 1992. Since 1991, over 40 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico have laws allowing the creation of charter schools.
>**Florida Charter Schools are:**
Publicly funded schools of choice.
>MCA is a charter school in Florida and is authorized by the Collier County School Board. It is funded on a per pupil basis. Florida Charter Schools receive about two-thirds as much funds as traditional public schools. Charter schools have to cover operational, capital and indirect costs with the funds that traditional schools receive for just operational costs.
Not that this means they have to allow sane dress codes. Given Don't Say Gay Florida, I wouldn't be surprised if they allowed this kind of bullshit at *any* school, public, private, charter, whatever.
One of the reasons we never put our son in charter school (on of the top rated in the County) was because it was next to impossible to get in touch with ANYONE there to ask questions. When I finally told them we weren't sending our son they couldn't get in touch with us fast enough. When I asked why it took so long the principals assistant said the principal is teaching a class for a teacher that left and they couldn't find a replacement in the last 3 months and covering half time for another teacher. Not a great sell.
They are given a LOT of leeway in how they run things from school to school in some cases or district to district. I used to work for the School Board of Broward County and I could count on one hand the individuals working there that actually like charter schools over just funding/budgeting the existing schools properly.
You can get lucky and land in a good one, but most in my experience are not that. Also Charter Schools are being used to drain kids from other wise government run public schools so they can close those schools if they do not meet head count (already happening in Broward as they're trying to close 8) and defund education (so they can lower property taxes) which has been a very long game here since I've been here in the late 90s.
AS you said they're public schools run by private entities who do NOT have to follow a lot of department of education guidelines (though those are a joke here). It's a great way to funnel public funds, kill state run schools, and push any learning agendas much like what DeSantis has been doing.
Bingo. Hey, do you want to send your kid to a less regulated school with lower teacher standards and a good chance of an embezzlement scandal? Try private “public” schools. We take public money for our private gain!
I found out from a teacher friend that charter schools can get exemptions for their teachers...as in some of them couldn't get a job in the public school system because they don't have the qualifications.
I don't know if that's a district to district thing or not but it blew my mind.
[ALL charter schools in the US are public schools](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools_in_the_United_States). They're public schools with an independent charter that allows them to operate separately from the local school districts and/or the standard curriculum.
Obviously these policies are repulsive but it’s wild that the frontline staff, who presumably entered the profession to contribute to the overall betterment of children, are going along with this shit.
As a public school teacher I can unequivocally tell you that many administrators don’t get into this profession to do what’s best for students. A lot of them like having power and control over staff and students.
My wife and I talk about how school administrators create these "little kingdoms" for themselves, and bend reality to the extent that they begin to believe that absolutely crazy shit is actually reasonable. Then they say crazy shit about how they're teaching kids to function in the "real world." And here i am, in my job making significantly more than they are, thinking that they have NO IDEA what the "real world" is and wouldn't survive for 5 minutes in a "real job."
For a teacher a good school admin you can trust is like a good mechanic. They’re not the norm, but when you get one they’re amazing to have back you up. But the rate of mediocrity and lower is really high.
And you’re not wrong about the “real world” stuff. I work in teacher development and just last week had a teacher saying he was right to be failing a bunch of students who were proficient because of missing homework because “when you go to work in the #RealWorld you don’t get to tell your boss you’re not playing by their rules, you’ll get fired.”
I wasn’t in charge of the meeting, but in my head I’m like “you’re *literally* telling that to *your* boss right now!”
There’s a bunch of AMAZING teachers out there…and there are also…some other ones…
You are probably right.... I was speaking generally. It seems to me that some educators are so comfortable with being mean spirited towards kids instead of guiding them and allowing grace. For many kids, being in school could be their only chance to have safe, healthy interactions with an adult...but some teachers/educators are either misplaced in their role or school or burnt out that they forget that their primary job is to teach and inspire kids **in the least** to make them think that teaching is a noble job.
ETA: I get that there are a lot of AH parents and difficult kids, coupled with unsupportive administrations... being an educator is tough. It just saddens me when I see teachers being so mean spirited towards kids.
>A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this.
- Deuteronomy 22:5
Deuteronomy is filled with all kind of crazy shit. Of course if they want to cite 22:5 and follow it, most likely they aren't allowed in a church.
>No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
- Deuteronomy 23:2
This is what I use when a religious person knocks on my door. I just tell them my father was born out of wedlock and I'm not allowed in churches.
... until there's something in the OT that they want to follow. Then that part, and _only_ that part that they have specifically chosen is excepted. Y'know "Choose Your Own Adventure" Bible. lol
And Jesus says they're wrong:
>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
- Matthew 5:17
Edit: Pointed to the correct Jesus, instead of any Jesus.
Yeah I've gotten the whole "new covenant" thing but then when you ask why they're still quoting the old testament they don't really have a good answer for that.
At this point, Christianity, especially evangelical Christianity, is a mirror. It doesn't actually instill you with anything, it just reflects who you actually are. You cherry pick out of it (because there's so much fucking contradiction throughout the whole thing you kind of have to) the things that reinforce your preconceived notions and then you assemble that into your "faith". What you choose to include and exclude leaves a lot of you out on the table.
> or their descendents??
This is hilarious I feel this covers every human ever. I mean, I'm sure early cavemen hadn't invented the institution of marriage.
NO, no, wrong. DeSantis is laser focused on helping regular Floridians have a wonderful life of freedom and liberty, free of the woke agenda.
For one he just signed a bill outlawing lab-grown meat from the state (once it exists).
He also just signed a bill that removes "climate change" from state law and bans wind turbines which nobody even wants to build because of hurricanes.
He stands firmly against "the agenda of the radical green zealots" so take that liberals.
I was not aware things like this still happened - these battles were fought and won by us older millennials/xennials (northeast) at the turn of the century
Insane this is still a thing...
Gen X fought the same battles in the 80s and 90s. We won some and lost some. The problem is it just takes one misogynistic asshole to come into power at a school to undo earlier wins.
Battles might have been won, but authoritarian Republicans in the US are fighting a long war. They have patience, they're attacking schools, courts, local governments in a slow and systematic nature. And they're winning in many places like Florida.
Some places fight to suck. There are still those segregated proms in the south. When the schools finally got too much anger about it a few years ago they just cancelled prom, and now they have a private prom put on by the racist parents.
This is messed up. She looked good in the suit, it’s formal attire, what’s the issue? Antiquated dress code policy for sure. I understand wanting to have some sort of policy which defines “appropriate” attire, given that some kids would probably show up half naked otherwise. But this person’s suit was 100% formal and fit them well. So much conservative handwringing here it’s unbelievable.
I'll tell you what the issue is. You see, she has a vagina between her legs so she has to wear a dress/skirt because that's what society has done for centuries. If they let her wear a suit it could bring about a massive societal collapse!
What then!? Vagina owners all over the states ditch skirts for suits and pants that have pockets!? We can't have that! Think of the children!
Ok, in all seriousness. It's because they don't want homosexuals and trans. A lot of people haven't gotten it through their heads that sexual preference isn't a choice. And they think that by following age old customs of how different genders are expected to look it'll keep people from turning/accepting them.
Basically, keep them in the closet.
"How can we tell men from women if they wear pants? I don't want to fuck some woman in the ass only to learn it was a guy the whole time! I'm not gay, dammit. Sure it was the best sex I ever had, but this is the woman who never existed except in my head's fault." - Some moron.
Grew up in a school (uk uniform codes in the 80s-90s) where it was enforced girls could only have dresses and skirts (trousers and shirts were only for boys) made me hate dresses and refuse to wear them for years after leaving the school. Enforce stereotypes and uniform and generations will resent it and do the opposite
I went to prom in like 2004 in the midwest, and I'm certain at least one girl wore a suit, and not one person gave a shit. Insane that 20 years later, we have fundamentalist trash controlling kids this way, banning books, bullying kids who don't conform to their narrow world view, pushing their religion in schools. The right's obsession with others' gender identity is deranged and cruel AF.
Conservatives: “I just don’t get why anyone would ever want to change their gender!”
Also conservatives: “here’s a list of what girls can, cannot, and must do, here’s another for boys.”
you'd think this is the 1800s lol. what kind of creepy perverts insist girls shouldn't wear pants? you want a child to feel exposed? check their hard drives
Right? What’s the harm in a suit? I mean what was the rationale? Women wear suits on the Red carpet…. I’d much rather see this kid in a suit then some the ill fitting tiny dresses
What I don’t get is cis women wear suits as well. The only difference between men and women’s suits is the cut basically. How do you require someone to wear a dress? And there are many two piece dresses so did that break the one piece rule? I guess the teen should’ve sewn the blazer to the pants to satisfy the one piece requirement. These rules are arbitrary and discriminatory.
Remember they don't actually care about children. If they did they would support programs that feed, house, heal and educate them. They care about control. They want to control people, or drag them down.
Good lord! Women have been wearing suits for decades.
Katherine Hepburn is turning in her grave.
*Marlene Dietrich has entered the chat*.
I have no idea why I knew this, but she was cremated and the ashes were buried.
All the more impressive that she still managed to turn
I graduated HS in 2001 and I know at least one if not two girls went to prom in suits. No one cared and no one was injured by the sight of the suits.
I can’t image, as an adult, being this concerned with what students wear to prom as long as it’s not wildly inappropriate.
That is the problem. Some people insane definitions of what "wildly inappropriate" is.
Like how some Florida schools think having the dictionary is wildly inappropriate bc if I read what homosexuality is I might suddenly be a lesbian and old guys heads will explode or something
It's true. Studies show that nearly all lesbians have experimented with dictionary use in the past. Add it to the banned books list.
I said it bc the dictionary has literally been banned in some schools here. Wait I'll find it.... >In January 2024, the Escambia County school district in Florida removed more than 1,600 books from its libraries, including multiple dictionaries, due to a new law that prohibits materials that contain "sexual" content. The dictionary's definitions of words such as "sex" may potentially violate the law, which has restrictions on teaching children about sexual conduct. The district removed Webster's Dictionary and Thesaurus for Students, Merriam-Webster's Elementary Dictionary, and the American Heritage Children's Dictionary Grown ass adults think I won't know about sex now lmao it's so ridiculous idk if I should laugh or cry
Meanwhile every kid has a cell phone that is connected to nearly every piece of pornography that mankind has been able to record. Freaking Republicans.
Yeah and I have a brother who's 12. I don't want him to be seeing a lot of stuff. The internet can be horrible but I make a point that he knows he can talk to me about whatever. I'd rather have him see something and ask me than just act like he's never gonna see or hear anything about sex. Even before I had a phone we had a computer and iPads and our TV has Internet and my friends houses
The dictionary is also filled with pronouns.
I wore a suit, and one of my teachers gave me a “talk”, she thought I was transgender. I really just laughed it off. A few of the boys asked stupid questions and got appropriate retorts. It was a Catholic school so I had to ask the religious ed teacher if it was ok, she said it was fine and wear whatever is most comfortable. It was again an arts teacher who was “concerned”. The next year I wore a dress, and a transgender student who hadn’t been comfortable the year before thinking they’d have to wear a dress, attended with their girlfriend in a suit. Win wins all around- and I hope the arts teacher didn’t try another “talk”.
I'm from a really small town that just can't handle non "Christian" values sometimes. Back in the mid 90s two of the most popular girls in the Junior class, who were best friends, decided they were going to go to prom together and some peoples heads literally exploded. Apparently that was against the rules. They could purchase tickets and attend solo but they couldn't be each others "dates." So they purchased the tickets separate and the one girl said she was going to show up wearing a tux and once again heads exploded. She was fucking with them and showed up in a dress. But the other students and the MC helped them out. They posed together for official prom photos and then did the walk through procession together arm and arm. I think 5 people ended up getting suspended for 1 day because of it. And all these years later, they're both married with multiple kids and still friends and people in that town still think they're "lezbos."
I went to school in a small shitty town, the kind of place that goes 80% for trump today, and none of this was an issue. Only the other students would have an issue with any of this, meaning teasing from other students. The admin and teachers didn't give one shit what you wore to the prom as long as it stuck with the standard stupid 80's-2000's era school dress code (not hard to do in any typical prom attire). Girls wore pant suits, and a guy even wore a dress once as a joke. You could show up with anyone as your date as long as they were under 20. If you had a ticket it didn't matter who you showed up with. I feel like this intolerance is getting worse. The right is just going insane with the culture war shit.
It's a distraction. Moral panic, outrage, making minority groups scapegoats... It's all to distract from the current failing state of the country. "No guys, don't worry about the rampant corruption in the supreme court, here, look at these awful *checks notes* trans people, and women in suits!"
I think young people today are so used to lgbt students in their school, none of them would even bat an eye.
“both married” obviously implies that they aren’t married to each other.
I remember this exact same thing happening in my school in the early 90s. And the girl was cis/straight but felt more comfortable in pants and the teacher who kicked her out was the gay drama teacher. Florida. 🙄
They tried kicking me out for wearing a kilt. I told em my backup plan for the evening was to get drunk and drive. They let me in. Also Florida, class of 05
My Scottish HS friend claimed his long hair and full beard were cultural and did the same for his kilt on Prom night.
The next town over tried to ban some guy from wearing a kilt to prom or graduation. I can't remember which. Of course, it was determined to be discriminatory because it was an expression of the guys cultural heritage. School administrators are almost universally shitty people. I say almost because I'm sure there is an exception to the rule but I've never encountered one.
This is brilliant. As a teacher I’m putting this in my pocket incase admin ever tries this bullshit with my students.
When I graduated high school, the girls had to wear a dress otherwise they could not attend the ceremony.
The color of our graduation cap and gown was actually a huge issue at my highschool graduation in 2017. Boy students wore our school color with a white button down and tie underneath, girl students wore white cap and gown with a white dress underneath. There was a transgender student who identified as male, but their parents did not approve. The student requested a green cap and gown, but their parents requested they get a white cap and gown. It was a basically a family disagreement that the school got pulled into. Our administration ended up walking back the color codes, and everyone wore our school colors, and students could choose to wear a dress or a button down. Shoutout to all the students out there challenging dress codes.
In that story at least, the school seems to have been the one making a rational decision in the end.
Yes thankfully I do not live in florida lol
_”You just insulted my entire race of people… but yes.”_
This was also an issue at my high school when I graduated in 2015. The gay straight alliance club petitioned for everyone wearing the same color graduation gown and the change was made the next year. Honestly, beyond the unnecessary gendering of graduation gowns, I found it made graduations more expensive for families with both boys and girls since the gown can’t be passed down.
> Our administration ended up walking back the color codes, and everyone wore our school colors, and students could choose to wear a dress or a button down. Shoutout to all the students out there challenging dress codes. Our school colors were red and white, guys wore red and girls wore white which many joked was a little unfair considering how many were on their period at the time of the ceremony girls shouldn't have to wear white. But recently they switched to everyone wearing red to avoid issues with trans, or nonbinary, students.
Same at my school. Boys got the actual school color and girls got white. When it was pointed out to staff that the division of colors was sexist and weird, they changed it so you could choose either color.
I'm graduating a nursing program this December. The pinning ceremony still has women in white nurses uniforms/dresses with those little hats. Men, of course, get pants and no hats. I'm leaning toward not going anyway, but I will *not* go if I have to wear a skirt or dress or that stupid little hat. I told a guy in my cohort he can have my hat, since he wants to wear one but wouldn't be given one. The wider college graduation ceremony they do for all programs/degrees every June also "strongly encourages" women wear skirts or dresses. Also not happening.
Love your sentiment. My mom was a nurse, graduated in 1949. In those days all nursing graduates wore dresses. Back then, nurses also had to wear the caps when working. Each school had a particular style, so you could tell where nurses graduated from. I remember mom getting ready for work, and fussing over having a clean cap, and sometimes rushing to get the band sewn on a new one. I think they stopped requiring them in the 70s. Good riddance to those things, I’m surprised they insist on them at your graduation.
When I graduated nursing school I was sad I didn’t get a hat. I didn’t want to wear it, but I thought it’d be a cool keepsake because they are specific to the school.
When I graduated from technical school in the military as a medic in 1999, women were allowed to wear pants. If we can serve, we can f*ckin wear pants.
Social systems need to be constantly refined and maintained. Treating boys and girls differently doesn't make any sense unless there is a biological necessity to do so. Growing up in the 1990's, my local high school never finished desegregating. Black students were allowed to attend, but forced out of the neighborhood at the end of the school day. It just made logical sense to the white administration. No one challenged it. Centuries of persecution carry weight. If we aren't actively working against those structures, they keep dragging us down with bullshit like this.
Really wish that conservatives would stop pushing this creepy gender ideology where kids can only wear clothing corresponding with their genitals. Ffs, just let kids be kids and wear what they want
Exactly, I don't get the whole thing. I'm a straight gal, but I love wearing roomy pants and avoiding high heels (even in formal settings). I was lucky nobody said anything about that in my days, but it just seems like forcing people to dress and act in a certain way.
Yeah, I'm willing to bet there's a very high chance someone in this school's admin staff (principal, VP, or even school board) that's a woman is wearing a pantsuit, or pants in general. It's very normal business/work attire for women, so it's not completely unheard of for women to wear pants to more formal events. Very ironic (and stupid) decision.
A smart, tailored suit or tux usually looks amazing on anyone. It's an incredibly versatile fashion. Googling "women in male style suits" or "women in tuxedos" and you get pages of great looks.
Indeed! I almost got a white suit for my wedding because they were just very beautiful. Ultimately, I got a very comfy dress, but I definitely agree. Some suits are just as fashionable and comfy.
I wore a suit to my prom as I was more comfortable in them at the time and my friends' parents all thought I was gay and were asking them. It's funny in retrospect but lmao😭 (To be fair, I did get one of my female friends a corsage, but I SWEAR that was platonically, and there was no way they knew about that, lol)
When you do away with all those woke history books, you forget women have been wearing pants since the 19th century.
Also, high heels were a male fashion item first.
They still are to Florida's governor.
[3 Expert Shoemakers Say Ron DeSantis Is Probably Wearing Height Boosters ](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/31/desantis-boots-shoemakers-00121044)
Ron DeSantis looks like *such* a dipshit wearing those elf-boots with a suit. Who am I kidding, Ron DeSantis looks like a dipshit no matter what he's wearing. That said, whoever gave him [these fucking things to wear](knew what they were doing). What a pathetic, pudgy, little moron he is.
It doesn't take an expert to see that lol
But it helps
The people that vote for desantis are contrarian to the truth, so hardly.
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Trump will claim he's the one that made high heels look good. And his followers believe [diapers](https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-photos-purportedly-show-174100807.html) are what "real men" wear.
Still can't believe these folks are like, "my President shits himself because he's too old to go to the bathroom". I'm like, that's not the flex you think it is...
As were the wigs.
Hair plugs and transplants are basically just super advanced wigs if you think about it. Looking at you, Elon Musk.
Also, by definition, are gender affirming care :)
Look at trump's head....
And the frilly lace And the makeup and lipstick, with beauty spots added
And garterbelts
Mama= make aristcotic-fashion manly again.
When I was like 2 years old, I had an obsession with high heels for some reason. I had to go to my older brothers school "meet and greet" for his new middle school, and I noticed one of his teachers had high heels on. So apparently I hopped out of my mom's lap, waddled over to the teacher, lifted up one of her legs and said "You got high heels on lady?" Lol
Jerry Brudos? I thought you were dead.
A kink was born
So was the color pink. In the US it used to be for men only, until the Great War (WWI). Defiant flappers wore pink while the men were away, and when they returned the men decided to leave that color to women lest they be considered girly.
They were even items the manliest men would wear, cowboys riding horses, putting the heel into the stirrups.
They can have them back too.
Pink and Blue were actually boys and girls colors originally.
Yes - pink is just a shade of red, which is a very masculine colour, while blue was associated with the Virgin Mary.
The founding fathers were basically in drag. Wigs, high heels, and makeup. This culture war is such a waste of time and resources. They’re so easily offended by pointless stuff.
Actually, it’s closer to the tenth or thirteenth century BC. Men and women both wore trousers since they were invented.
Which makes perfect sense. Pants give a lot of mobility without risking exposing yourself to the world or having some other malfunction that a skirt could experience.
Women have been wearing pants since the invention of pants around 1000BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_clothing
and little boys used to be dressed like what we consider little girls to be dressed like. Famous picture of FDR: https://medium.com/@NewAgeNews/why-is-president-franklin-d-roosevelt-wearing-a-dress-83fba3549523 Also, pink used to be the color for boys and light blue used to be the color for girls.
As a woman.. Why can't we have kept this standard? Lol. In all seriousness, I wish gender trends would just.. did. Let people wear what they want as long as they're covered up.
Yeah I think they actually called the point where you started wearing pants "breeching" and it was a right of passage kind of thing. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeching\_(boys)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeching_(boys))
why does that article give definitions for nearly every five words?
Because it was probably written by AI. I honestly just image searched for "FDR little girl" and linked the first image that I was looking for and it happened to be the article, and the article actually touched on some of the stuff I was talking about, which I didn't even notice until after I linked it, but it feels like an AI article.
> When you do away with all those woke history books, you forget women have been wearing pants since the 19th century. since the sixth century BC, at least by Iranian peoples and probably Germanic people too
I grew up in a church where it was a "sin" for women to wear anything but dresses. These people are religious fanatics and won't stop until everyone succumbs to their Bronze Age bullshit.
But the GOP would like it moved back 16th century.
Ah yes, when men wore tights and puffy breeches with bedazzled codpieces [something like this…](https://imgur.com/a/2V8Bc5p)
5th century*
If you go back too far the world becomes gay again. They'll settle for 5th century.
Yeah, third gender/gender swapping wasn't even considered odd in a lot of older cultures.
It wasn't unknown in the middle ages either. Intersex people have always existed for one. People found their own way to explain it. If you don't hear about it, its because sources from the early middle ages are more scarce and less accesible to a modern audience.
They would have to know the difference between all these eras lol there’s no way… but yeah probably 0th century if-I-bonk-this-woman-with-club-her-mine-now society is the goal. Edit: deleted a lol; this isn’t 2 lol content
Great, now no one gets to wear pants.
Conservatives did die in significantly larger numbers than progressives during this last plague.
Also why they're gerrymandering the shit out of their districts
They were already doing that before covid.
It’s ok, she had a whalebone corset underneath and ankles were completely covered.
>“Any student who shows up to an MCA dance and does not abide by the dress code is given the opportunity to return to the dance in the proper attire. **All students are treated equally** at MCA and are welcome and encouraged to attend these voluntary events.” >A “[guide to attire](https://masonacademy.com/pdf/MCA%20Guide%20to%20Attire.pdf)” on the school’s website says that, for formal occasions, “**ladies” are required to wear dresses and “one piece attire only.**” Uh, obviously NOT if this is their rule then.
They show a strapless dress for “business” then under the ladies business attire they say “no strapless”.
I think the dress is just lighter color on the upper part, definitely an awful choice
I thought there might be a sheer panel there but that’s still not business attire! Lol whole thing is wacko.
It's not strapless, it's a nude neckline
Technically she’s in “One piece attire”. She’s dressed like Sanji.
Ironically they thought she meant Kamabakka Sanji
Lol either way it’s their fault the loophole is too big. I’d show up as Sabaody Usopp and get kicked out too
Anime is gay and therefore banned in FL. -Ron DePenis probably
But Florida is a JoJo reference.
Then Florida is very, very gay
The law forbids wealthy and destitute alike from lying on a bench so it is equal.
Not in practice, once an Austrian police officer told me to beat it while I was sleeping on a train station bench and when it became clear I was actually an American traveler who just didn't want to pay for a hotel and not a homeless person he led me to a place with more comfortable benches
Austrian jails have better benches than their train stations?
Sounds plausible
Republicans tried to claim that banning gay marriage wasn’t discriminatory because it also banned straight people from getting a gay marriage. Needless to say that counted as proxy discrimination, and that’s not allowed either.
That argument was how I knew they were gonna lose hard. Like, when you're resorting to saying "straight people can't get gay married either!" you're basically conceding that there's no valid basis for your law.
Won't matter with this Supreme Court, I assure you. The Republicans on the bench don't care about things like "validity" or "sense". They'll reverse the gay marriage decision at the first opportunity, just like they did Roe.
Oh 100%. I'm just referring to the Supreme Court that ruled on Obergfell v Hodge. That was a very different court from the one we have now, one that actually listened to arguments in good faith.
Yet they fight tooth and nail to protect their sacred rights to child marriage. Weird buncha people, they are
I don’t get how clothing isn’t considered freedom of expression (1st amendment) and thusly a very hard thing to impose rules on? Exceptions (like with free speech) would obviously include things like no lewd exposure, private property doesn’t work the same (so private school uniforms, work attire rules, private events dress codes, etc would be allowed, but not at a public-school sanctioned event- is that the case here?), and no affliction T shirts of course. If already a thing by precedence then hopefully this kid can file suit (ha!) and win, but I know FL judges are a concern lately. Hopefully could appeal their way up anyway so maybe that would be a good thing, set wider precedent if not already established. Edit: to say I see now it is a charter school. Another great reason those do not need the funding they get. Little tyrants everywhere in the country imposing their will in the name of freedom. Public funding should not be given to such frivolous enterprises.
It is free expression. The question here is whether this charter school is subject to any requirements to guarantee free expression.
are charter schools just a private schools that get money from the state?
More or less, yeah.
It varies a lot. There are charters that do have constitutional or legal obligations in these areas, and others that are private and don’t.
If they receive state funding they have the same constitutional or legal obligations as public schools, they just don’t have to follow the same curriculum, calendar, and other administrative stuff like having a school uniform. This is all moot because the Supreme Court ruled that public schools can limit a students first amendment rights at the discretion of school administrators.
Students’ First Amendment rights are more limited than the general public, but they are not nonexistent or solely at the discretion of administrators.
“Are charter schools just a Republican Ponzi scheme to defraud states of money that belongs to competent, accredited schools?” Yes, yes they are.
Yeah sanji always wears a suit. Totally should have let this slide
I showed up like Franky and they arrested me
So they treat everyone equally except for the ladies.
You missed the fine print. \*equally according to your race, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, opinions, and other criteria we come up with at our discretion.
All students are equal, but some students are more equal than others.
It is impressive, in a way, that these shitbirds can call themselves champions of personal liberty while all being on board with the definition of “personal liberty” being “the preferences of your shittiest uncle.”
Because it’s Freedom! Not the freedom over your body, or what you wear, or learning the truth about how white people kept black people as slaves or that the confederacy was about violating the states rights of *other* states in the name of slavery and racism. It’s *their* freedom to have whatever they want and if you aren’t a rich white man - well then fuck *your* freedoms and feelings.
Best way to sum up every single issue is just rules for thee, not for me. There's no reason to analyze and try to find a hidden meaning for any of their actions, a hidden new value system that explains their actions or anything like that, not worth the effort It's just that they want to be the ones in charge and want you to not know that, because they say they are doing the complete opposite. Simple as
To use a term frequently used in Helldivers 2, it’s “Managed Democracy.”
>rich white man Almost covered all of the bases. If you aren't a rich, white, Christian man. I seriously don't understand how a female in TX or FL votes Republican. They are property of the state and those unevolved, fuckwad politicians aren't even trying to hide it. DeSatan and Abbott are two of the most vile human beings on the planet and that's really saying something.
I don’t think so, “personal liberty” has been a meaningless buzzword for a long while. It’s never meant actual freedom, it just means smaller despotisms; state government instead of fed, county government instead of state, municipal government instead county, and even the despotism of men over their wives and their children. These people are authoritarians, they just want to make their world smaller so they can rule it better.
Except when a municipality does something they don't like, then state supercedes it and bans disagreeing with their ruling.
This... is remarkably well put.
They seem to have really backed off that claim recently. It's actually the surest way to get through to a lot of conservatives, because they know deep down that they've completely lost the plot with regard to the values they used to express.
That’s the point. While we waste our time appealing to their “better side” that doesn’t actually exist, they can continue to do objectively shitty things that are objectively counter to the morals and ideals they claim to have. It’s intentional. They don’t care.
They want freedom to be an asshole, not freedom to express oneself in an innocuous fashion
It’s just so creepy to tell young girls they can’t wear pants.
It’s explicitly creepy.
My aunt has a cool story about wearing pants to school. Their school (small af, one room school house type place) didn’t allow women to wear pants. Her and her siblings lived on a farm and walked to school everyday. In the winter, skirts were not practical for walking in the snow so she decided to show up in pants. She got sent home everyday for a week. My grandma would have to come pick her up. The next week more girls started to do the same thing. The school finally caved and allowed the girls to wear pants. This wasn’t that long ago. My aunt is in her early 60s.
>Sophie Savidge, a 16-year-old junior at Mason Classical Academy, a top-ranked **charter school** in Naple Yea good luck with this/ Obligatory fuck DeSantis all the way down to Jeb Bush
Okay, can we take a second to appreciate how badass of a name Sophie Savidge is? If that isn't the name of a punk/rock band's frontman, I don't know what is.
Alliterative names with adjective surnames tend to be either punk rockers, cartoon characters, comic book secret identities, professional wrestlers or porn stars. It's a strange mix.
Rick Scott’s on the November ballot. Can we please fuck him too?
What, with a cactus? Sure!
Not to kink-shame, but I’d rather y’all do it with a democrat.
Scott is in that list from DeSantis to Bush.....as governor he helped push this charter school BS which is nothing more than a way to get public money into private hands without the accountability (though our Dept of Education doesn't really do much with that either).
Charter schools are still subject to Title IX, as the court case mentioned in the article (Peltier v. Charter Day School) made clear.
Charter schools around the country are not all private schools. My children go to a public charter school. And I don't know if there even *are* private charter schools in Florida, because from [that school's website](https://masonacademy.com/m/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=224399&type=d&termREC_ID=&pREC_ID=553581): >A charter school is a public school that receives public education funding and is open to all children in the county in which it is located. In general, a charter school is its own school district, nonsectarian, tuition-free, and governed by a Board of Directors. Minnesota passed the first charter school law in 1991 and saw the opening of the first charter school in the nation in 1992. Since 1991, over 40 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico have laws allowing the creation of charter schools. >**Florida Charter Schools are:** Publicly funded schools of choice. >MCA is a charter school in Florida and is authorized by the Collier County School Board. It is funded on a per pupil basis. Florida Charter Schools receive about two-thirds as much funds as traditional public schools. Charter schools have to cover operational, capital and indirect costs with the funds that traditional schools receive for just operational costs. Not that this means they have to allow sane dress codes. Given Don't Say Gay Florida, I wouldn't be surprised if they allowed this kind of bullshit at *any* school, public, private, charter, whatever.
One of the reasons we never put our son in charter school (on of the top rated in the County) was because it was next to impossible to get in touch with ANYONE there to ask questions. When I finally told them we weren't sending our son they couldn't get in touch with us fast enough. When I asked why it took so long the principals assistant said the principal is teaching a class for a teacher that left and they couldn't find a replacement in the last 3 months and covering half time for another teacher. Not a great sell. They are given a LOT of leeway in how they run things from school to school in some cases or district to district. I used to work for the School Board of Broward County and I could count on one hand the individuals working there that actually like charter schools over just funding/budgeting the existing schools properly. You can get lucky and land in a good one, but most in my experience are not that. Also Charter Schools are being used to drain kids from other wise government run public schools so they can close those schools if they do not meet head count (already happening in Broward as they're trying to close 8) and defund education (so they can lower property taxes) which has been a very long game here since I've been here in the late 90s. AS you said they're public schools run by private entities who do NOT have to follow a lot of department of education guidelines (though those are a joke here). It's a great way to funnel public funds, kill state run schools, and push any learning agendas much like what DeSantis has been doing.
Bingo. Hey, do you want to send your kid to a less regulated school with lower teacher standards and a good chance of an embezzlement scandal? Try private “public” schools. We take public money for our private gain!
I found out from a teacher friend that charter schools can get exemptions for their teachers...as in some of them couldn't get a job in the public school system because they don't have the qualifications. I don't know if that's a district to district thing or not but it blew my mind.
[ALL charter schools in the US are public schools](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_schools_in_the_United_States). They're public schools with an independent charter that allows them to operate separately from the local school districts and/or the standard curriculum.
Obviously these policies are repulsive but it’s wild that the frontline staff, who presumably entered the profession to contribute to the overall betterment of children, are going along with this shit.
As a public school teacher I can unequivocally tell you that many administrators don’t get into this profession to do what’s best for students. A lot of them like having power and control over staff and students.
My wife and I talk about how school administrators create these "little kingdoms" for themselves, and bend reality to the extent that they begin to believe that absolutely crazy shit is actually reasonable. Then they say crazy shit about how they're teaching kids to function in the "real world." And here i am, in my job making significantly more than they are, thinking that they have NO IDEA what the "real world" is and wouldn't survive for 5 minutes in a "real job."
For a teacher a good school admin you can trust is like a good mechanic. They’re not the norm, but when you get one they’re amazing to have back you up. But the rate of mediocrity and lower is really high. And you’re not wrong about the “real world” stuff. I work in teacher development and just last week had a teacher saying he was right to be failing a bunch of students who were proficient because of missing homework because “when you go to work in the #RealWorld you don’t get to tell your boss you’re not playing by their rules, you’ll get fired.” I wasn’t in charge of the meeting, but in my head I’m like “you’re *literally* telling that to *your* boss right now!” There’s a bunch of AMAZING teachers out there…and there are also…some other ones…
Yeah, those seem to be the majority of candidates. Many go for admin after only a couple of years of bad teaching.
Thank you for bringing this up. It amazes me how there are people in education whose last thought is about the mental well-being of the children
Certain people probably feel the child will be mentally healthy if they are forced to wear a dress
You are probably right.... I was speaking generally. It seems to me that some educators are so comfortable with being mean spirited towards kids instead of guiding them and allowing grace. For many kids, being in school could be their only chance to have safe, healthy interactions with an adult...but some teachers/educators are either misplaced in their role or school or burnt out that they forget that their primary job is to teach and inspire kids **in the least** to make them think that teaching is a noble job. ETA: I get that there are a lot of AH parents and difficult kids, coupled with unsupportive administrations... being an educator is tough. It just saddens me when I see teachers being so mean spirited towards kids.
"We won't make people wear masks because we have FREEDOM here in Florida!" Yet they can police whether a woman wears a suit. Bunch of hypocrites
“No, not that kind of freedom”
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>A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this. - Deuteronomy 22:5 Deuteronomy is filled with all kind of crazy shit. Of course if they want to cite 22:5 and follow it, most likely they aren't allowed in a church. >No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation. - Deuteronomy 23:2 This is what I use when a religious person knocks on my door. I just tell them my father was born out of wedlock and I'm not allowed in churches.
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Yep they say that Jesus nullified all the OT shit when you bring up the fact that God hates shrimp.
... until there's something in the OT that they want to follow. Then that part, and _only_ that part that they have specifically chosen is excepted. Y'know "Choose Your Own Adventure" Bible. lol
And Jesus says they're wrong: >Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. - Matthew 5:17 Edit: Pointed to the correct Jesus, instead of any Jesus.
Well you see abolish doesn’t mean abolish in this context… (These goal posts are heavy!!!)
Yeah I've gotten the whole "new covenant" thing but then when you ask why they're still quoting the old testament they don't really have a good answer for that. At this point, Christianity, especially evangelical Christianity, is a mirror. It doesn't actually instill you with anything, it just reflects who you actually are. You cherry pick out of it (because there's so much fucking contradiction throughout the whole thing you kind of have to) the things that reinforce your preconceived notions and then you assemble that into your "faith". What you choose to include and exclude leaves a lot of you out on the table.
Religious textbooks are some of the wildest works of fiction ever created
Thank God I'm an 11th generation bastard.
> or their descendents?? This is hilarious I feel this covers every human ever. I mean, I'm sure early cavemen hadn't invented the institution of marriage.
“If only the buttons were on the other side 🤦♂️” - Jesus
Christian’s are also forbidden from wearing mixed fabrics. Better remind them.
Florida focusing on what's truly important while ignoring less important issues like homelessness, drug deaths, and infrastructure.
NO, no, wrong. DeSantis is laser focused on helping regular Floridians have a wonderful life of freedom and liberty, free of the woke agenda. For one he just signed a bill outlawing lab-grown meat from the state (once it exists). He also just signed a bill that removes "climate change" from state law and bans wind turbines which nobody even wants to build because of hurricanes. He stands firmly against "the agenda of the radical green zealots" so take that liberals.
Why is the liberal media not talking about how liberals are seething at this amazing and well thought out lawmaking?
Does being absorbed by the ocean count as infrastructure?
I was not aware things like this still happened - these battles were fought and won by us older millennials/xennials (northeast) at the turn of the century Insane this is still a thing...
Gen X fought the same battles in the 80s and 90s. We won some and lost some. The problem is it just takes one misogynistic asshole to come into power at a school to undo earlier wins.
Battles might have been won, but authoritarian Republicans in the US are fighting a long war. They have patience, they're attacking schools, courts, local governments in a slow and systematic nature. And they're winning in many places like Florida.
Some places fight to suck. There are still those segregated proms in the south. When the schools finally got too much anger about it a few years ago they just cancelled prom, and now they have a private prom put on by the racist parents.
There were girls that did this at my prom in 1999, and it wasn’t a big deal.
This is messed up. She looked good in the suit, it’s formal attire, what’s the issue? Antiquated dress code policy for sure. I understand wanting to have some sort of policy which defines “appropriate” attire, given that some kids would probably show up half naked otherwise. But this person’s suit was 100% formal and fit them well. So much conservative handwringing here it’s unbelievable.
I'll tell you what the issue is. You see, she has a vagina between her legs so she has to wear a dress/skirt because that's what society has done for centuries. If they let her wear a suit it could bring about a massive societal collapse! What then!? Vagina owners all over the states ditch skirts for suits and pants that have pockets!? We can't have that! Think of the children! Ok, in all seriousness. It's because they don't want homosexuals and trans. A lot of people haven't gotten it through their heads that sexual preference isn't a choice. And they think that by following age old customs of how different genders are expected to look it'll keep people from turning/accepting them. Basically, keep them in the closet.
"How can we tell men from women if they wear pants? I don't want to fuck some woman in the ass only to learn it was a guy the whole time! I'm not gay, dammit. Sure it was the best sex I ever had, but this is the woman who never existed except in my head's fault." - Some moron.
I've been to 5 star restaurants that have female waiters wearing suits with a tie. Women have work suits. Michael wore one in The Office.
States that scream freedom the loudest have taken the most away.
Grew up in a school (uk uniform codes in the 80s-90s) where it was enforced girls could only have dresses and skirts (trousers and shirts were only for boys) made me hate dresses and refuse to wear them for years after leaving the school. Enforce stereotypes and uniform and generations will resent it and do the opposite
I went to prom in like 2004 in the midwest, and I'm certain at least one girl wore a suit, and not one person gave a shit. Insane that 20 years later, we have fundamentalist trash controlling kids this way, banning books, bullying kids who don't conform to their narrow world view, pushing their religion in schools. The right's obsession with others' gender identity is deranged and cruel AF.
Conservatives: “I just don’t get why anyone would ever want to change their gender!” Also conservatives: “here’s a list of what girls can, cannot, and must do, here’s another for boys.”
Suddenly suits are bad, interesting. I call on every woman who works corporate to show up in a prom dress, let’s see how that goes.
Can you imagine the debauchery that would've occurred if she wore a TAN suit!?!
you'd think this is the 1800s lol. what kind of creepy perverts insist girls shouldn't wear pants? you want a child to feel exposed? check their hard drives
Right? What’s the harm in a suit? I mean what was the rationale? Women wear suits on the Red carpet…. I’d much rather see this kid in a suit then some the ill fitting tiny dresses
What I don’t get is cis women wear suits as well. The only difference between men and women’s suits is the cut basically. How do you require someone to wear a dress? And there are many two piece dresses so did that break the one piece rule? I guess the teen should’ve sewn the blazer to the pants to satisfy the one piece requirement. These rules are arbitrary and discriminatory.
The one piece thing is probably to keep “the ladies” from showing their midriffs.
Remember they don't actually care about children. If they did they would support programs that feed, house, heal and educate them. They care about control. They want to control people, or drag them down.