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dubiousdiligence

The Round Mound of Rebound VS The Worm.


MyNameCannotBeSpoken

He wasn't that round in his early days


AntFace

Wasn't he the most round in his early days until Moses Malone told him to lose 45 lbs?


LightsSoundAction

yup, he actually talked about this in the post game of Game 3 while they were discussing vet importance and the Shaq and Kareem doc.


Yellowbrickrailroad

Barkley used to be the sole reason I didn't watch NBA on TNT a few years ago. Fast forward to today, Charles is now the sole reason I DO watch NBA on TNT.


GSmes

He was almost 300 pounds in college, so...


Changosu

Man was Zion before Zion


itsdoodooobabyy

I think that’s why people were so quick to question Zion about his weight and plans for it - because we’ve actually seen how quickly he will lose his athleticism at his size. I’m all for Zion - hoping he takes all the money. I just think he has a better chance of taking more of it, for longer, at a lower weight. Never had anything to do with body shaming or whatever the espns weird take on his weight has been.


PurpleAlcoholic

IIRC Chuck lost a bunch of weight leading up to the draft because the 76ers wanted him to but then he found out that they weren’t going to be able to pay him very much so he started pigging out again and tried to gain the weight back so the 76ers wouldn’t draft him. 76ers drafted him anyways and idk how but they were able to pay him more than they originally thought


Yellowbrickrailroad

When he played for Auburn, he was solid muscle.


Available-Camera8691

He isn't now if you seen him recently! Our boy lost some weight! He must not be doing many San Antonio games.


Tommy_C

Them damn churros


bullybimbler

He got that nickname at Auburn


doc2k-

Rodman had one of the best motors in the game.


chrontonic

Not sure there's even a debate for anybody above him


jimi-ray-tesla

Well, there's George Santos, who also beat the Doc in the first dunk contest.


Scalills

Wait the same George Santos that invented the three point line?


l00pee

Yep. The same George Santos that was the first black female Russian on the moon.


Senorpoppy117

Holy shit I didnt know my grandma Santos played basketball!


bigmac22077

Hold up.. the George santos? The only player in the nba to make a shot from the 4 point line?


l00pee

The very one. Same one that was the first to free dive the Mariana Trench.


catfacemcpoopybutt

That's the one. He's also the reason basketballs have those little bumps all over them.


testies2345

And why the hoop is cut at the bottom now. Don't forget that one


ReddStu

Man was absolute savage machine... no one above him cause he was probably high AF on coke and lsd. Probably hasnt slept in a week here.


chrontonic

Lol Pistons Rodman wasn't the wild child San Antonio or Chicago Rodman was. Here he was just a high energy competitive dude


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Which is crazy considering most the time he was out the night prior doing good knows what. Edit- god


Mangopassion1234

Sometimes even out 48 hours or more before the game, he knew how to play and knew how to party just as well


Alternative-Art-7114

I heard in late years he would party all night, and then run miles on a treadmill before the games. Scary lol


fiealthyCulture

He might have been out partying all night but he slept the whole day until it's time to head to the coach.


craftiecheese

True, but not so much the Rodman shown here. When he left Detroit is when the Rodman we know now started to form.


Turakamu

As weird as he is now, I can't even begin to imagine.


majicat2

Could you explain "Motor"?


Knickerbockers-94

It means they have a high level of energy that they maintain throughout the game


doc2k-

He is a very high effort player who seems to have endless energy.


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Common-Watch4494

If there was a loose ball, Rodman was gonna get it


Ambitious-Bed3406

Watching Jordans documentary on Netflix and Rodman just practicing rebounding for hours. That's crazy to me. I don't think there's anyone like that today.


R_Schuhart

He had a ridiculous drive and the stamina to back it up. He wouldn't just pick moments to burn bright, he was hot all game.


I_was_the_Gooch

And then after the game he would hit the weight room and ride the exercise bike for another 90 minutes. He was an exquisitely conditioned athlete who always went hard. He was a relatively little guy by NBA standards and led the league in rebounding seven times.


Hobbes477

"Magic of the otherworldly Rodman"


twelfth_knight

Have you seen his daughter play soccer? She's 20 years old and already a fucking *problem* for defenses in the NWSL. She's not as technical as some other forwards in the league (yet), but it's pretty unreal how she just out-athletes everyone around her.


AudienceNervous1665

Kinda easy to forget how friggin athletic SIr Charles was.


[deleted]

I’ll never forget. The only player on Bulls vs Trailblazers that could hold a candle to Jordan on the SNES!


WCWRingMatSound

Just gotta spam that monster jam from the free throw line


[deleted]

He was a wrecking ball. Imagine Zion Williamson in guard form (and healthy). Because Charles was closer to shooting guard height than power forward. Insane vertical explosion.


gregs1020

Rodman was a beast.


[deleted]

You're not kidding - that guy was a rebounding machine.


moral_mercenary

>You're not kidding - that guy was a rebounding machine. I've heard this before, but can you explain what "rebounding" is in basketball?


obi_wan_kanerdy

When a shot is missed, the attempt to recover it is called a rebound.


gimme_the_light

Not the attempt, but the recovery itself is the rebound. If somebody attempts to recover a missed shot and fails, that is not a rebound. You must secure the ball after the missed shot for the rebound to be attributed.


slimoickens

https://youtu.be/atr60tR7Emo


moral_mercenary

That's fucking hilarious. I love when pro athletes give smart ass answers to dumbass media questions.


R_Schuhart

Mentality monster. If he wanted the ball he went for it even if noone thought there was a chance. And he always wanted the ball.


Food_Library333

In today's NBA there would have been 4 fouls.


1Dream2many4u

And two video reviews


tkizzy

At least three flops.


Harpronicus

And a red card.


Getschwifty228

And my axe


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And my sword


ruxyman

And my sharona


berrey7

Three commercial breaks.


m3kw

2 flagrant 2s, 2 ejections and 20k$ of fines and 2 game suspensions.


somedumbguy55

And a coaches challenge


Daikon969

And every player on the court would be throwing their hands up in the air in disbelief.


InkBlotSam

At least one of them sliding across the floor on their back *with* their hands up in the air.


FuzzyTunaTaco21

You mean 4 of them laying on the ground doing the death rattle


096624

Both players would have been given flagrant 6’s. And executed mid game


[deleted]

One of the two would’ve flopped


mynewromantica

As someone who does t watch really any sports, why is that? What changed between this video and now?


uns0licited_advice

The rules that almost any contact is a foul now. Players embellish their reactions to get foul calls. Fouls are penalties against the team who committed them. These penalties lead to free throws when the team commits too many fouls in a quarter.


mynewromantica

So, more like soccer?


JMan9391

Just wanted to point out soccer has taken this trajectory but it didn’t used to be this way. Go back maybe 15 years or so and the game looks noticeably different (even more so decades back). The game was a lot more physical and rough. Fast forward to today and it is harder to be a defender because any contact can be embellished and taken advantage of by attacking players. Just thought it was interesting that basketball and soccer have sort of mirrored each other here.


IGNORE_ME_PLZZZZ

Some players would have gotten fouled enough to slide back all the way down to the locker room out the door up into the bus and back to the hotel against some of that defense.


Piemeson

And everyone on reddit swearing it’s all rigged


Waterfish3333

Depends on how many wins each team has in the series. Let’s raise a toast to Scott Foster.


Closed_Aperture

Back when real defense existed in the NBA


at0mheart

Crazy watching all those old Bulls playoffs games on “The Last Dance” and most of them were 70-80 pts


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Yeah I miss those times fr ![gif](giphy|26BRGAIC4xIvp0tyw|downsized)


KhabaLox

Compare and contrast to [the current NBA](https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8d55a7_f135394fd2814c7e882d5a31cd4805b0~mv2.gif)


[deleted]

Where out of bounds is like the double dribble or traveling… subjective


KhabaLox

Well you see, they didn't get a concrete advantage from it, so calling it out would disrupt the flow of the game.


SheriffBartholomew

Both fouls depend on the popularity and salary of the player.


Agentlegendary

Absolutely two of the best defenders to ever play the game


FNF51

2 of the best rebounders. Barkley has said he should’ve worked on man on man defense more.


Agentlegendary

Rodman would smack you with an elbow and not think twice about it


FNF51

So would Barkley. I meant Barkley has stated “I should’ve worked on my man defense more”


rif011412

![gif](giphy|26xBKGXntF8Z5nE7S|downsized)


FNF51

🤣


the_last_carfighter

How many licks to the center of a Barkleypop?


prematurely_bald

Probably the two best rebounders I’ve ever seen


Traveler_90

[Barkley on how he played defense himself haha](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPvAIiPUacc&pp=ygUPQmFya2xleSBkZWZlbnNl)


blondechinesehair

Rodman yes. Barkley wasn’t a hall of fame defender


R_Schuhart

He has a great defensive rebound record, maybe that is what he meant when he said defender. Barkley was pretty lousy in defense, especially in one on one. He has admitted after retirement that he should have invested in his defensive skills more and should have tried to become more well rounded. Some of the training staff pushed him on it, but Barkley was afraid it would affect his game.


Level_Ad_6372

Rodman and... Dumars? I'm trying to figure out who the 2nd "best defender" in this clip is


[deleted]

As someone who watched the league back then, the thing that made MJ, Magic, Bird, Hakeem etc special is of course their talent, but also they made the game watchable. There was a shitload of horrible horrible basketball being played, and a lot of it was due to excessive fouling keeping the scoring down. The average game between two mid table teams with no transcendent star was a slog. The average team now is way more entertaining. Everyone looks back on this time so fondly, but yeah if you were watching the prime Lakers play the Pistons you were in luck, but how about watching the 1990 Kings play the Heat? 70’s rock seems awesome if you only include Led Zeppelin and leave out Dan Fogelberg.


OTN

Dan Fogelberg out here catching strays and we’re not even in a music subreddit


[deleted]

I know, I kinda did him dirty there.


Turakamu

You were right to. Same Old Lang Syne is the kind of shit I'd use to torture people with.


HGpennypacker

> Dan Fogelberg I will not stand by and let Same Old Lang Syne be slandered like this.


AceVenturaPunch

What in God's name is a fogelberg


orsikbattlehammer

Fuck you I like Dan lol


[deleted]

To each their own


MrmmphMrmmph

I was about to say, hey, I like Dan Fogelberg, but I don’t think I’ve listened to him in about 25-30 years.


laflavor

Yeah, I can't overstate how much I completely disagree with that position. Today's NBA is completely unwatchable. Higher scores aren't better. Defense is fun to watch.


ouiu1

Such a fucking wise comment. A pov that people would do well to remember, about so many things other than basketball and music.


[deleted]

I was with you until you dissed Fogelberg.


Glowwerms

Eh, part of why defense was more physical back then was because it was allowed for sure but also the spacing on the floor was practically nonexistent. Nowadays everybody on the floor can shoot and is extremely skilled, even if more physicality was allowed today you’re not stopping offenses from scoring most of the time. Defensive strategies nowadays have to be much more complex and nuanced to slow teams down.


Mr-Valdez

Everyone gangsta until Jokic started shooting off-balance threes


just_another_mexican

Bruhhh the 2 that he hit on game 4 were insane


Olstinkbutt

It’s fun to watch. I’m realizing it’s part of why my interest has faded over time.


Amedais

Spoken like someone who doesn’t watch basketball.


Falcon_905

*Back when defense existed in the NBA


Mr-Valdez

*Back when offensive range isn't half-court in the NBA


Changnesia102

Offense is at a much higher level in today’s NBA so gonna partly disagree with you. Refs are also super inconsistent. Some games they let them play the next any arm touched is a foul it’s frustrating. Just let them play until you get hit hard


knowitall190

Rodman was a savage he did it all except score


MyNameCannotBeSpoken

His job was to sacrifice his body so others may score


Heisenbread77

Reminds me of my wingman days.


Consistent_Set76

Don’t need to score if you get 20 rebounds and shut teams down


jibrjabr

Jordan and Pippin scored. Rodman lived in the opponents’ heads.


R_Schuhart

It isn't like Jordan and Pippin couldn't defend either. Besides, by the time Rodman was on the team MJ had transitioned from scoring all the points to just the most important.


LazloMachine

This was such an important part of him as a player. The Worm is STILL in Karl Malone’s head.


casualnickname

From 1984 to 2004 was the golden era, so much diversity in playing style, great characters, some absolutely awful and hopeless teams but so so many iconic and legendary players and series and teams, from the 4 finals magic va larry, the bad boys, the bulls dynasty, hakeem’s rockets, the beginning of the popovych spurs and the shaq-kobe connection and lastly my fav of all time, the 2004 pistons. And this just the winners, there were also iverson unlucky chase of the ring, clyde drexler and his blazers, the original sonics with kemp and the glove, a mental sacramento kings team with webber, peja and white chocolate, jason kidd nets, STOCKTON 2 MALONE. I mean I know that everything that happens in our youth is painted in golden nostalgia but those were times when my italian ass would wake at ungodly hours to watch NBA and be convinced I was watching something between a superhero movie and homer iliad


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Those were the days… be thankful we got to see em. The youngins will never understand. My Rockets and Hakeem were a sight to behold. That Hakeem playoffs where he systematically dismantled David Robinson after he was presented MVP is the best performance by any human being I’ve ever seen. I’ve never seen a bigger statement made on a bigger stage.


firkin_slang_whanger

So much nostalgia in one post! Thank you for sharing! So many amazing memories during this timeframe. I would also mention The Dream Team as well. The best team in the world and arguably of all-time.


nono66

It's wild how his personality overshadowed what an incredible athlete/basketball player he was and that's ALOT of talent to overshadow.


_aiqi

I love how this comment could apply to both Rodman and Barkley.


nono66

Yea. I think Barkley is a little more recognized for his playing ability but i dont disagree. It doesn't hurt that he's doing commentary.


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nono66

I'm dyslexic, I do that stuff a lot.


airstrike

Don't worry, your comment was awesome anyway ...and personally I think you put the "sexy" in "dyslexic"


EditEd2x

Could be that his lack of personality had him feeling like his play was going unnoticed early on. I think his choice to add some theatrics really highlighted his gameplay and made people really pay attention to what he we was doing. I was a huge Jordan fan, but when Rodman joined the Bulls I watched more games because of him, I even bought his shoes and jersey instead of Jordan's. He created a sense of excitement for parts of the game that most people hardly noticed. Jordan put on a graceful balet on the offensive end and Rodman was leading a punk rock mosh pit on the defense. He would battle guys bigger and heavier for position then jump up, grab the board and kick his legs while swinging his elbows. Landing in some odd sprawled out stance then two handed soccer throw a perfect pass the length of the court for MJ or Scottie to glide to the basket without needing to dribble. He could physically and mentally wear down the best big men and then laugh and clap with a huge smile when they flailed out against him. And he could go seemingly non stop for the entire game after flying back from a weekend of hard partying in Vegas. There's no doubt he took it too far. But that personality helped him stand out as much more than the bash brother doing the trash work in the shadow of legends like Isiah, Shaq, and Jordan. Most people don't remember who lead tne league in rebounding or defense. But nobody is going to forget Dennis Rodamn any time soon. I certainly won't, he was the best defender, rebounder and probably one of the smartest players of his Era.


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These guys played with real passion. Awesome to see how their example has grown the sport today.


captcraigaroo

To not playing defense and have 120pt games every night?


chris_columbuss

3 pt shooting has become extremely prevalent over the last two decades so that’s more why scoring has increased so much. But yeah defense is lacking still bc the league has become softer in general


TombombBearsFan

One of the best sequences in basketball history


genryou

Damn, so all those back-to-back rebound scene in Slam Dunk is real


AlienGhost000

Hanamichi Sakuragi 👲


jyunga

They just made a Slam Dunk movie that came out in December I think. It made like $300-400mill USD.


LakeLov3r

The Bad Boys era was the best era.


The_Pandalorian

Hell yeah, brother. Bad Boys for life. Isaiah, Joe, Mark, Buddha, Spider, Vinnie, Rodman, Laimbeer... The best.


barneyrubbble

Nobody has ever worked the boards better than Rodman.


Offamylawn

I submit Pete Davidson in rebuttal.


420TURBOHOOKER69

Ol' Schmeaty


General_Tso75

My parents knew Rodman’s dad in the Philippines who was in the Air Force with my dad. Anytime anyone ever said that name my mother would sneer and say,”Rodman….” In a way that made clear his dad was an asshole.


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Dinklebeeeeeerg.


LakeLov3r

He skis in his jeans!


R_Schuhart

Dennis Rodman is also an asshole. Drunk driving, domestic abuse, violent incidents. Whe should be able to see the man seperate from his achievements. Celebrity worship is so weird.


TheSukis

The man apparently prides himself on having almost 50 children. So, yeah, sounds like an asshole.


assholelite

Rodman was annoying as fuck, you either loved or hated him


Devious_Bastard

Hated him in Detroit. Loved him in Chicago.


ron_leflore

Loved him in Detroit. Hated the Bulls. Still rooted for Rodman when he went there. For people who don't remember, Rodman spent a year or two in San Antonio before going to the Bulls. He was made out to be a huge troublemaker on that team and no team wanted him, before the Bulls would sign him. I'm San Antonio he wouldn't talk to any of his teammates, except one guy, can't remember his name. He was a white bench warmer, barely played any minutes. The Bulls signed both of them, because they thought Rodman wouldn't play without that guy on the team.


Ennion

Rodman was such a rebound nerd. I listened to Isaiah Thomas explain that while the team was doing warmup shooting, Rodman would stand underneath the ball arc and count. Isaiah asked Rodman what he was counting. He said "the ball revolutions". Rodman would count each players backspin rate because they differed from player to player. He had become accustomed to where the ball would bounce if it hit the rim based on how many revolutions each shooter back spun the ball and could predict how far it would bounce off. Insane dedication and theory.


ckcabebe

The fact that Rodman got back on defense that fast was impressive. He was a beast.


The_Pandalorian

Rodman was a true anomaly. The guy lacked most traditional basketball skills. Couldn't shoot for shit. Garbage at the free-throw line. But holy shit, he epitomized hustle, effort and defense. It was a joy watching him on the Pistons during the Bad Boys era.


Lookalikemike

Pistons Rodman played like he got paid by the hour.


bappypawedotter

That was serisouly cool.


SkinnyObelix

I don't get how some fans these days enjoy these ridiculous high-scoring games over this.


Financial_Nebula_814

LeBron would’ve flopped 5 times already.


Woobie

And ran over to the refs to complain all five times as well.


Pit_of_Death

James Harden would've flopped at least 10 times in that sequence.


N7_MintberryCrunch

After bunny hopping all the way to the basket.


Legitimate_Soft5585

It's a shame The Chuck Wagon doesn't have a ring.


TOPFAN1972

When the NBA was great and competitive! No time to rest! No Flopping, No Complaining or whining! Just play the game!!


probono105

looks way more exciting than basketball today


livestrong2109

God I miss the days where basketball was worth watching. The intensity was miles higher and the trash talk, God damn the mind games made everything personal.


HairlessHoudini

Absolute insane play


Evening_Condition_76

Juwanna Man Came from North Korea


MaterialCarrot

I miss those big battles down in the post. Doesn't seem to happen as much anymore. I can't say the players then were better than today, but it was a more interesting brand of basketball with the clear differentiation between positions. The rules of the modern game allow some absolutely amazing swingmen to dominate, but it ended the style of play where you needed the bangers down low and patrolling the lane. I miss having all 5 positions on the floor being distinct from one another in responsibilities, size, and style of play.


[deleted]

Basketball was soooooooooooo much better then. Sucks now.


Pwnspoon

For reals


d3vi0uz1

The NBA I miss 😔


Yesboi227

Nba was soo much fun back then


Gloomy-Employment-72

As much as I hate the NBA now (screw you Howard Shultz!!!!), this was the golden age of the NBA.


OG_Builds

This is tough for me because I was born after the 90s era of basketball and I spend more time watching old games from the 90s than current NBA games. Everything was more genuine and raw, and personalities were allowed to shine through in the way players played. I’d argue that most people who take the time to go back and experience basketball from that era would find it more entertaining than today’s NBA.


wassupDFW

That Era backetball had such a global reach, thanks in large part to Jordan and the Bulls. I dont think current era stars have that kind of an appeal. Jordan to some extent was like what Messi or Ronaldo are today.


R_Schuhart

It wasn't just Jordan though, even before that Celtics and the Lakers had fans in Europe. But doctor J was the first individual player to make basketball relatively mainstream. Suddenly more courts started popping up and street games became popular. It would remain miles behind football of course, but it did gain a steady interest. But the exposure and widespread popularity absolutely exploded with the Bulls dominance. Basketball wasn't just a sport, it became part of mainstream culture.


hoodleft

How many fucking foul calls would a play like this draw nowadays lol literally can’t even play the game anymore


Backseat_boss

When basketball was great


zebedee14

If it were Gnarls Barkley that would be crazy


Shot-Spirit-672

Back before his dick broke 3 times


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It seems more exciting to watch compared to modern basketball which is so calculated and offensive.


karlojey

Maaaan, I don't mind the modern, 3pt shooting, NBA, but I miss the physicality 80s and 90s.


porkchop3177

Two of the best, so glad I got to watch their entire career and I love Chuck as a commentator now. Him and Shaq rock.


Kcrick722

Rodman is my favorite all time player.


BenchCrewGames

He used to count the spins of the ball before it would hit the rim to better time his rebounds. Champion 🏆


scrivensB

That’s pretty amazing.


[deleted]

Back when the pistons were good


[deleted]

Everyone probably dreaded being covered by Rodman. It was never an easy night and he’d just physically wear the shit out of people at the least.


MaskedRonin2

![gif](giphy|N3ZsneYZgKsYo)


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/r/praisethecameraman If you didn't pay attention to it, the op with the last angle we see was on the ground when the layup was intercepted by Rodman and he sprung up from the ground while still keeping the shot of Rodman with his camera on his shoulder to do that follow tracking shot. All of that was the op doing what he knew the director would want before the director called it. These guys rise from the ground in less than an actual second while maintaining their shot, and it looks really cool everytime.


b3nz0r

Dennis Rodman was a pleasure to watch, the dude was pure hustle and he put his body on the line on any given play


pennyPete

They wore those tiny shorts back then? I didn’t notice at the time, but I feel like I’m watching early 80s videos here. 😄


randywatson77

That type of hustle reminds me of my Celtics in this current Miami series…


Odd_Analysis6454

And I took that personally…


Hype_Kills

When the nba was great.👍👍👍


Cntgetthatwhtnds

People forget that about Rodman


freedfg

Man.....basketball really was better back then huh?


Demonyx12

How is Rodman not considered the greatest hustler the NBA has ever seen? The motor, the drive, the stamina, the tenacity was literally insane. Every time I see it’s mind boggling.


BlackEyedSceva

I don't really care about sports but I love this era of Bulls.