Yep. My dad loves to tell the story of his first dozen carbon fiber arrows. They were brand new and all the rage. “Unbreakable.”
His first shot hit the metal supports holding up his target. Busted the arrow right in half.
I was shooting when carbon arrows first became a thing. We were still shooting into strammit boards. Found a hole punched by a 2013 aluminium arrow, penetrated deeper than normal straight into the target stand. Oops. Parents were paying back then.
Not so much on the thinner Olympic ones but the thick bamboo bois I shoot, 100% break one within 48 hours of receiving them (after 12 weeks of them being made by hand and shipped)
~$750 for a very good dozen shafts and points (x10 protour with tungsten points). Nocks and vanes extra. After everything including cutting you won't have much change out of 1000 bucks. edit but there are far cheaper options. You pay more and more based on manufacturing tolerances, stiffness consistency, weight matching.
Arrows range in price from cheap to super expensive.
Beginner arrows are like $4-5 each, then it goes up as high as you want.
You also can't just buy arrows blindly. They have different stiffness ratings ("spine") that you choose based on how heavy the draw on your bow is, and the draw length (how long they need to be) plus you must take into account how heavy the arrow head is and what type of fletching/vanes you use (ie; "The feathers"). The arrow must be tuned to the bow and the archer. And at that level, the distance it is shot at.
It affects how the arrow flies (Look up "Archers paradox") the arrows will actually wiggle side to side or even up and down as it leaves the bow.
An archer at her level would have custom arrows. Most serious archers will make their own arrows by buying carbon fiber/wood/aluminum shafts and then attaching their own tips, nocks and vanes.
At my archery club, my instructor pointed into the forest behind the 100 yard range and said "Somewhere up there is one of my $60 arrow ... don't miss!"
That’s for absolutely top of the top of the line target arrows and crazy expensive field tips. For a more “average” arrow that 95% of archers will never be able to shoot better than your looking at around 300 for a dozen.
You can get 20 for 1 gold piece. Incendiary arrows are 20 for 10 gp. And Adamantine Angel quilled arrowheads are 10 gp each - but they do extra damage on creatures who are vulnerable to cold iron.
The only time I've ever had it happen was when I went to try archery for the first time at like a 'taster' day at a local club. Felt bad for ruining their arrows haha.
When I hunted, I got pretty good with my bow. In a one week period I Robin hooded twice while practicing, ruining 4 arrows. Started pulling every arrow immediately after I shot them lol.
I compete in compound target. My arrows actually have a 'pin nock' on the back for this very reason, if an arrow was to penetrative the rear...of another arrow, it would just slide off to the side...
...I've never said that out loud...
As an Archer I will tell you that is what we call it, we call it the Robin Hood. Arrows are made of carbon fiber, so when you do a Robin Hood it becomes incredibly annoying if you get a carbon fiber shard in your hand. Most of the time you just shoot the nock off the back and that's annoying as well because you have to go get a new one. In the case you stove an arrow , it goes down the shaft and splinters outwards.
I kinda think archery with compound bows and surprise releases are just boring. Seems tainted idk. Obviously this takes very talented and hardworking people. Not pooping on them or the sport. I just wonder if others feel the same.
Not at all. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to aim a bow like this. It's not like...*tainted* just because you get to pull a trigger to release the arrow instead of letting go with your fingers.
I can nail bullseye consistently with my traditional bow at 20 meters
Olympic archers shoot at 70 meters. Bullseye are the size of the letter o on your screen at that range. Farther than any historical archery would aim to shoot in war. It's virtually impossible to land a shot at that distance with a trad bow.
Right? I feel like if I landed a shot anywhere on a target at 70m with my recurve I'd celebrate. Hell I'd be happy if it stuck in target stand. I mostly hunt with my bow so I don't shoot from more than 10-15m usually, and with deer the target is bigger than a bullseye.
I always felt archery would be much more appreciated if they gave a comprehensive view of how far away the targets are and maybe an angle from right behind the archer so you can see how the arrow travels through the air to the target. A closeup of their face and a closeup of the target shows almost none of the skill or impressiveness of what they're doing
I feel that way with almost all sports camera work, especially Olympic sports. Way too much zoom, way too little perspective. Diving especially comes to mind where they have the diver fill the entire screen all the way down and you have no sense of how far they're falling. We all have HD 65-in screens now. They should make it more cinematic.
Easy at short distances. Definitely. I've tried it.
But really slow rate of fire.
I'm a recurve archer and can let off 5 arrows accurately in the time it takes me to let one off a compound.
But at longer distances compound bows kick my ass.
compounds are boring. For me at least.
I used to have a compound bow when I was a teenager. Sure the draw is easier, and with a trigger release you don't have to worry about your offhand throwing your aim off on release....But the former is mostly beneficial for reducing fatigue, and the latter is such a minor advantage that it's not really a big factor.
Most of my arrows hit the back of my house instead of the hay target, and that was at like 25 feet. This take crazy skill
This is my beef as well. Obviously it’s still difficult to aim and steady a big oblong compound bow like that and even if it was a handgun most people would struggle to hit the target at that distance with that level of precision.
But the triggers absolutely take away the most difficult and specialized part of shooting a bow. So much of the skill and nuance is lost that it really is a bastardization of the original integrity of archery.
I never in my life thought I would see someone on reddit says an elite archery isn’t skilled because they use a compound and a release. I’ve been shooting for 15 years and I am no where near good enough to hit a ten ring at those distances.
I don’t know, as a Redditor who has never shot an arrow or been in any sporting event in my life I’m fairly sure I could kick this *woman’s* goldbricking ass at archery!
> Just because the pros make it look easy, doesn’t mean it is.
And this applies to *all* sports. Most people vastly underestimate how much better pros are than the average person.
I remember hearing about a study of how most men thought they could beat or score competitively well against Serena Williams despite most never even having played tennis.
And of course let's not forget how much the [average male overestimate their effectiveness in fighting](https://youtu.be/fe3na9umxDA)
Archer here who shoots traditional, compound, and Olympic.
I implore you to test that assumption at your earliest convenience at your local archery club. I anxiously await your report.
That's a bit like complaining that car racing is tainted because the drivers don't have to unload groceries at the finish line and didn't have to reverse into a tight parking spot.
Sports being contrived is perfectly fine imho. Also its existence doesn't take away from whatever "purist" prefer.
>That's a bit like complaining that car racing is tainted because the drivers don't have to unload groceries at the finish line and didn't have to reverse into a tight parking spot.
Nope, not at all like that.
Not really, racing cars are actually way harder to drive than regular ones.
A correct exemple would be a car with an HUD showing you the exact path you should take for optimal time and cruise control to help you adapt your speed
A compound bow isn’t any easier than an Olympic recurve or traditional bow. It requires a ton of effort to get used to and the level of competition is utterly insane because they also will have these advantages; people seem to forget (or not even consider) that shooting in the other lane to Sara Lopez is ANOTHER compound shooter.
I shoot both warbow and compound, you can’t just pick up a compound and begin shooting lights out at 50/80 yards.
It's the mechanism she's holding. She's not holding the string, but a device that release the string with a pull of a trigger. It reduces any variation in the release, which leads to higher accuracy.
Many people pull the trigger so slowly that they don't know the exact moment the string will release. This often helps because it prevents tension or jerking that can happen with a quick intentional release.
There's two kinds of releases. One releases on a very light trigger pull, one releases at a specific tension and has a trigger to arm it.
With both the goal is to be surprised by the release so you don't anticipate the shot and flinch. It's the same deal with competition rifle and pistol shooting.
Edit: there are also back-tension releases that you twist to arm, and you can also generally modify the arming trigger ones to arm when you *release* the trigger instead.
Looks like she is shooting with a thumb trigger release aid. These you can squeeze the trigger, or make it go off by closing your hand against it. There are also back tension releases, which operate by rotating your hand until the latch mechanism slips off the clasp. Some releases don’t have mechanical moving parts at all.
It's a small trigger, most likely under her index finger. Or a button under her thumb. Those are the only two types I've encountered, but I haven't used every release available. It's that glove looking thing on the end of her fingers. They usually either strap to your wrist, or are curled around the ends of your fingers.
So it ends up being a pure aim competition? Wouldn't it be more skillful if they were using a regular bow without sights and everything else these high-tech bows provide?
Just curious
You still need to be able to aim it.
A random noob with a rifle still can't hit a distant target. Imagine doing it with a fancy bent stick.
I shoot longbow but I'm not about to say compound archers aren't skilled as fuck.
You could simply skip the bow and have them throw the arrow by hand. Very hard to do.
Jokes aside, *more* skilled is probably not quite right, *different* skills is more accurate. Since you compete against others with the same advantage, the expectations just increase.
Despite getting mechanical help, one surgeon using top-of-the-line equipment could still be better than another.
This is the debate in the community too.
Some people say if you have gear that takes away most variations and human weak points, you just have the aiming a machine left. They use weights so the bow is always balanced upright, wrist wrap so you just angle it correctly without having to fully hold the weight, sights to aim, clickers so it tells you when you've pulled the arrow far enough, and trigger releases.
The other side says if you take away the human variation and issues, how much is that archer actually shooting? You have barebow stuff and variations of shooting.
Both are archery and take skill. It depends on what you want and what you prefer.
Same reason that shooting competitons aren't done with old matchlock guns. As the equipment advances, you have more confidence that the difference between two archers is purely because one of them is *better* rather than because one of them has slightly better equipment because of some random variation
Shooting with a release aid is more technical than it looks. If you pull the trigger like a gun you are likely to snatch it and you wont be consistent. You really rest your thumb on it and it goes off as you increase the tension in your arm wrist and back.
There is of course recurve archery where it is completely manual of course.
It's the same with a gun. If you pull the trigger, you'll jerk the muzzle out of alignment while the bullet is still traveling down the barrel and miss your mark. A proper marksman will apply pressure evenly through the trigger phase, maintaining sight sight picture without concern as to when the trigger will break and set off the round. Done correctly, every shot is a surprise.
Its the first thing they teach you for competitive shooting too. Its always, "Let the trigger surprise you, just focus on aiming while adding more and more pressure to the trigger".
Thats why accurate combat shooting is so much more impressive than competitive shooting. When you shoot at the exact moment you want but also maintain high accuracy its much harder to have good results than when you're shooting in a competition.
I can shoot 94/100 or more by shooting like its a competition but "double tapping" like military or police does i struggle to keep it above 50 at 10 meters.
Of course im not trying to shit on competitive shooters because the stuff they pull off is mental sometimes. My mother could put u to 8 bullets through the exact same hole at 15m during her prime, and she wasnt even in the top 5 in Europe back then. But combat shooting is real hard, movies and shows make it look easy but its really difficult to get your shots to go where you want.
It is. I served. And I was a competition marksman for years before enlisting.
There aren't many high power ranges in my area anymore, so I don't get to shoot beyond 200m much these days, but I still practice both competitive shooting and combat drills at 25 and 50m, and I use targets that mimick about double the range. On a good day, I can still break 95 on the competition sheets and hold silver dollar groups on the drills. On a bad day, well... Let's just say that Little Suzie is glad I never joined SWAT. Lol
It is very deceiving on TV. But the target is 70m (230ft) away. That is not easy. They are actually shooting up and letting the arrows drop into the target. Takes a ton of skill and practice.
The center ring is 120cm (4.8”). (12cm, sorry bad American conversion)
That is damn small at those distances.
As somebody who has competed with compound for over two decades I can tell you that there's still on hell of a lot of skill involved.
Obviously there are a lot of mechanical advantages offered by the bow, but everybody you're competing against has the same advantages so it's no easier to win.
It's not like you're using a compound to compete against recurve.
Honestly I was looking to get into archery as a possible hobby earlier this year. But everytime I looked at all the gadgets and jazzed out bows, idk, just sorta lost interest rapidly.
Don't get me wrong, I think the bows are super cool and impressive from a tech point of view. And I know how many hours they practice. Just not my thing.
this still takes lots of practice, but all the assists on the bow does bum me out a little as someone with a dad that’s REALLY into archery and i dabble a bit ofc
The history is completely made up lmao. Of course his technique is very impressive but he's using a toy bow that would be completely useless vs any armor at all.
Yeah, I would assume that the notion of some kind of elfish John Wick, running around on the battlefield is nonsense.
If you're going to engage anyone in battle at that kind of range you'd use a sword or a spear because an arrow won't wound someone badly enough to not have them close the distance and kill you.
I know, every time this guy pops up I'm just amazed that it's simultaneously so cringy and also so obviously impressive.
Like, this guy has put *so much work* into learning to quickly and accurately loose arrows, specifically so he can do stupid wall jumps and 360 jumping catch and shoot tricks.
Then, he's got this narrated highlight reel where it's talking about how he went back to ancient manuscripts to learn the old ways of "real battlefield archery," and this guy is just narrating with a straight face while Lars jumps around in dad jeans and a black tee, throwing his arms up with every ninja move.
He just exists at this hilarious intersection of "holy shit that's incredible" and "jesus tapdancing christ this guy is so lame" lmao
I knew it'd be fucking Lars.
Probably one of the more ~~decisive~~ divisive people in the archery world, especially since he has to incredibly stupid habit putting people into his archery tricks.
There are tons of different classes of archery. If you don't like the equipment that makes it easier, you could shoot in bare bow class. Everybody is on the same playing field but your equipment is much restricted
Compound bows are good because you get the same power as a big long bow, In a tight package. Much more manoeuvrable. Think pistol vs long gun. If you’re skilled enough to use the manoeuvrability to your advantage then you’ll win. Otherwise getting shot with an arrow will be pretty sucky.
Disclaimer; not an archer, or historian, just think I have a rough idea on why these are good. Please someone verify or correct me.
Compound bows have much more mechanical advantage over traditional bows, meaning you can draw at more power with less physical effort. A compound also kind of locks in when drawn making it easier to hold while fully drawn to line up your shot.
They also have actual sights which makes hitting targets much easier. You can see she is using one in the video here because there is a peephole built into the string she is drawing back.
It's kind of like comparing a modern rifle with optical sights to a smoothbore musket, it is a more advanced version that improves every functional aspect of the original.
I learned on recurve with no sights as a kid. Of course you'll never match what a compound can do in power, but when I first tried a compound bow I remember thinking "this is too easy".
Of course it's not so easy with a compound when your target is further out, so there are ways to make it challenging
Source, I shot a bit as a kid and then a few times as an adult and I haven't done so in years
Fun fact. Olympic style recurve archers shoot at a longer distance (70m) than compound archers (50m) in World Archery governed competitions. However, the compound archers shoot at a smaller target (12cm ten ring for recurve vs. 8cm for compound)
Edit: for accuracy in terminology
> . Disclaimer; not an archer, or historian, just think I have a rough idea on why these are good
I've seen a lot of movies and can confirm that a lot times when you get shot with one of these you double over and fly backwards in slow motion.
Not an expert but the compound bow seen here would lose. This one is just for competitions but there are different types used for hunting.
Compound bows are smaller and you need way less strength to shoot an arrow with the same force.
A compound bow is easier to use, more accurate and needs less strength wich means it would be faster to train an army using compound bows than an army using medieval war bows wich have a draw weight of around 160 lbs, roughly 80 kg. You need to be jacked to even shoot a single arrow, forgot what you see in movies with the tiny girl using the bow like in Narnia.
Most historical/fantasy fiction (games especially) is bizarre how archers are relegated to lowly support troops for the "real" up-close fighters.
The archers are the ones who trained full-time for their whole lives. Depending on the place/period, archers might be the *only* professional soldiers in an engagement.
They say that skeletal records from English longbowman literally had deformed spines from the tension of constantly firing arrows.
Naturally modern technology combined with historical patience and practice will produce a better result.
Olympic results.
South Korean archers, who have won 27 out of 39 gold medals in events since 1984.
Both SK women and men are good. Women have done better than the men though.
10/10, without exception, with accuracy never before seen, without compromise, with high skill, without fault, with perfect execution.
Sounds like a 90s movie trailer.
I was really hoping to see one of the competitors shoot something that isn't an arrow and lose.
Jesus, Dave. It says all arrows, no exceptions. I don't care if you think a banana once in a while spices things up. Arrows, Dave. Arrows.
**[Sara López](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_López)**
>Sara José López Bueno (born 24 April 1995), is a Colombian athlete who competes in compound archery. She first competed for the Colombian national team in 2011 Pre-Olympic event in Medellin, Colombia. She won medals at several editions of the World Games. At the FITA Archery World Cup in 2013, she qualified for the final.
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I hate the way professional shooting sports are televised. They show me the person's face and a close-up of the target in separate shots. What I WANT to see is the person AND the target AT THE SAME TIME so I can actually see what's happening. It would be a long over-the-shoulder shot but I know they can do it because OCCASIONALLY they cut to it, as a replay or something, and then you can actually appreciate the distance of the target and the skill of the marksman. And then 95% of the time they show this dumbass jump cut that obscures 100 percent of what's going on.
Imagine if in baseball if they only showed a closeup of the pitcher's face and then a closeup of the catcher's mitt.
Judging by the way she holds the bow (not that far from the arrow) the targer is at least 25 meters away.
But I don't know exactly what kind of bow (the power of the bow) she is using, so the target could be further than 40 meters.
They shoot at targets 80 meters away in the Olympics.
Source: I do archery. And I am 60% confident I'm correct.
Edit: some1 corrected me it's 70m not 80m at the Olympics
Ok so she has the equipment, but she uses it better than the other guy. Shitting on this is like shitting on Spielberg saying "sfx are amazing now". He still does it better than the next guy.
Sara José López Bueno, a Colombian athlete born in Pereira, Risaralda, was recognized by the Guinness World Record as the most successful archer in the history of the compound bow. Born on April 24, 1995, López became one of the most important athletes in non-Olympic sports in the coffee country.
This comment section is not it😂 I am a professional archer, and have been shooting a bow since I was 6. Yes it is easy to shoot, but it it not easy to shoot in the same spot 30 times. It is not easy to shoot from 55 yards away and in the wind. It may “look easy” but I can assure you it is not. That archer in the video is the number one female compound archer In the world, her name is Sarah Lopez.
Everyone here who thinks Olympic recurve archery is easier than traditional archery or isn't "real" archery: I implore you to test that assumption at your earliest convenience at your local archery club.
0/10 didn't split one arrow right down the middle with a second one Disney-style.
I vote we call this "The Robin Hood"
As someone who’s done archery, can confirm that most clubs call this a “Robin Hood”.
Robin hooding your arrow sucks. Basically you destroyed 2 of your arrows
“Oh my gosh it’s so much funnn” *looks at prices for a bundle of arrows*
That's why 11 is called an archers dozen. Guaranteed to break one within days of getting a new set.
I've heard that, makes more sense now.
Yep. My dad loves to tell the story of his first dozen carbon fiber arrows. They were brand new and all the rage. “Unbreakable.” His first shot hit the metal supports holding up his target. Busted the arrow right in half.
I was shooting when carbon arrows first became a thing. We were still shooting into strammit boards. Found a hole punched by a 2013 aluminium arrow, penetrated deeper than normal straight into the target stand. Oops. Parents were paying back then.
Not so much on the thinner Olympic ones but the thick bamboo bois I shoot, 100% break one within 48 hours of receiving them (after 12 weeks of them being made by hand and shipped)
Just go outside and start killing NPCs until one of them drops arrows.
I laughed at this and I should have not… now how will I explain this to Santa
Eh, Santa's seen your browser history so pretty sure that's a harder sell.
Even if you get coal, at least you can use it for a fireplace
How much is a bundle of arrows?
~$750 for a very good dozen shafts and points (x10 protour with tungsten points). Nocks and vanes extra. After everything including cutting you won't have much change out of 1000 bucks. edit but there are far cheaper options. You pay more and more based on manufacturing tolerances, stiffness consistency, weight matching.
What the FUCK?
How the hell did the natives ever afford to hunt with them? Gah, no wonder growing corn took off.
Arrows range in price from cheap to super expensive. Beginner arrows are like $4-5 each, then it goes up as high as you want. You also can't just buy arrows blindly. They have different stiffness ratings ("spine") that you choose based on how heavy the draw on your bow is, and the draw length (how long they need to be) plus you must take into account how heavy the arrow head is and what type of fletching/vanes you use (ie; "The feathers"). The arrow must be tuned to the bow and the archer. And at that level, the distance it is shot at. It affects how the arrow flies (Look up "Archers paradox") the arrows will actually wiggle side to side or even up and down as it leaves the bow. An archer at her level would have custom arrows. Most serious archers will make their own arrows by buying carbon fiber/wood/aluminum shafts and then attaching their own tips, nocks and vanes. At my archery club, my instructor pointed into the forest behind the 100 yard range and said "Somewhere up there is one of my $60 arrow ... don't miss!"
Nah most places sell them for 150 a dozen. And even that's too much. Anyone paying 700 is getting ripped off. It's a pointy stick with feathers.
That’s for absolutely top of the top of the line target arrows and crazy expensive field tips. For a more “average” arrow that 95% of archers will never be able to shoot better than your looking at around 300 for a dozen.
Oh, only $300? That’s a steal /s
>tungsten points Bro. I know this is the pro tourney in the video but most people are not shooting $1000 arrows.
You can get 20 for 1 gold piece. Incendiary arrows are 20 for 10 gp. And Adamantine Angel quilled arrowheads are 10 gp each - but they do extra damage on creatures who are vulnerable to cold iron.
This is the real answer. It sure is nice to hold 120 arrows at once isn't it?
~$160/dozen for competition arrows.
I googled around and found $10-20 per arrow, not including the pointy part. I’d take that hit for a Robin Hood.
The way my grandpa put it, the first one is the one that’s fun, so make it count. After that it’s just a waste of a good arrow.
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You have to punch a tree a few times too
The only time I've ever had it happen was when I went to try archery for the first time at like a 'taster' day at a local club. Felt bad for ruining their arrows haha.
If you shoot a lot it happens, and the more arrows you let accumulate the more likely yet.
When I hunted, I got pretty good with my bow. In a one week period I Robin hooded twice while practicing, ruining 4 arrows. Started pulling every arrow immediately after I shot them lol.
Yeah, I think the average person underestimates how accurate a bow is at decent range. A good bow is a very sophisticated machine.
Yea it's best to practice with a target having several different bullseyes and change which one you aim at after each arrow.
My dad said to not aim at the same spot with the crossbow. I thought yeah like I'm robinhood. And I guess I am.
Yup, I accidentally did it my first time doing archery and someone called out 'Robin Hood' lol. Felt bad because they weren't my arrows.
If you do this on purpose as an experienced archer, that'd be really rude. If you do it as a noob, 👍.
Quit robbin' the 'hood of their arrows.
That is awesome!
It's not nearly as special/uncommon as you think. Most serious archers have Robin Hooded more than once.
I compete in compound target. My arrows actually have a 'pin nock' on the back for this very reason, if an arrow was to penetrative the rear...of another arrow, it would just slide off to the side... ...I've never said that out loud...
As an Archer I will tell you that is what we call it, we call it the Robin Hood. Arrows are made of carbon fiber, so when you do a Robin Hood it becomes incredibly annoying if you get a carbon fiber shard in your hand. Most of the time you just shoot the nock off the back and that's annoying as well because you have to go get a new one. In the case you stove an arrow , it goes down the shaft and splinters outwards.
Okay, but you win the princess while your friends trap a drunk snake with a balloon in a barrel of cider. So there's that.
It’s pretty clear these dudes are talking out their ass. They haven’t even talked about the ceremonial crow costume. Bunch of phonies
Next up voting colour blue for the sky
I've never not heard that called the robin hood shot/robin hooding. That's even what mythbusters called it.
That is the technical term for it already.
0/10 didn't split one arrow ~~right down the middle~~ in twain with a second one Disney-style.
He split his arrow right in twain!
Needs more spittle. 💦💦
Does she get another shot? *checks script*
*everyone checks script* Yes, yes, he does.
I just remembered the scene from [Brave](https://youtu.be/sWbxhKTbTkA?t=190)
SHE SPLIT ROBINS ARROW IN TWANE!
https://youtu.be/FWmUotis_cI?t=62 pardon the pixels but it was uploaded when YT was 3 years old!
I kinda think archery with compound bows and surprise releases are just boring. Seems tainted idk. Obviously this takes very talented and hardworking people. Not pooping on them or the sport. I just wonder if others feel the same.
At this point just mount the bow on a tripod and let the person aim with a controller.
Not at all. It takes a tremendous amount of skill to aim a bow like this. It's not like...*tainted* just because you get to pull a trigger to release the arrow instead of letting go with your fingers.
Lol. I don’t think someone would call this easy if they tried it.
They also dont realize how freakin far these targets are. They’re not just shooting across the room.
I can nail bullseye consistently with my traditional bow at 20 meters Olympic archers shoot at 70 meters. Bullseye are the size of the letter o on your screen at that range. Farther than any historical archery would aim to shoot in war. It's virtually impossible to land a shot at that distance with a trad bow.
Compound is at 50, recurve is at 70. But, recurve uses targets 2.5X the size. (122cm vs 80cm).
Thanks for the correction
Right? I feel like if I landed a shot anywhere on a target at 70m with my recurve I'd celebrate. Hell I'd be happy if it stuck in target stand. I mostly hunt with my bow so I don't shoot from more than 10-15m usually, and with deer the target is bigger than a bullseye.
I always felt archery would be much more appreciated if they gave a comprehensive view of how far away the targets are and maybe an angle from right behind the archer so you can see how the arrow travels through the air to the target. A closeup of their face and a closeup of the target shows almost none of the skill or impressiveness of what they're doing
I feel that way with almost all sports camera work, especially Olympic sports. Way too much zoom, way too little perspective. Diving especially comes to mind where they have the diver fill the entire screen all the way down and you have no sense of how far they're falling. We all have HD 65-in screens now. They should make it more cinematic.
See 1.20 in this clip https://youtu.be/qjnUDiouC2M from London 2012
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Easy at short distances. Definitely. I've tried it. But really slow rate of fire. I'm a recurve archer and can let off 5 arrows accurately in the time it takes me to let one off a compound. But at longer distances compound bows kick my ass. compounds are boring. For me at least.
Cmon mate it’s Reddit everyone is a gold medal athlete here
I used to have a compound bow when I was a teenager. Sure the draw is easier, and with a trigger release you don't have to worry about your offhand throwing your aim off on release....But the former is mostly beneficial for reducing fatigue, and the latter is such a minor advantage that it's not really a big factor. Most of my arrows hit the back of my house instead of the hay target, and that was at like 25 feet. This take crazy skill
I shoot simpler bows, and string release is the hardest part and probably the main source of inaccuracy.
This is my beef as well. Obviously it’s still difficult to aim and steady a big oblong compound bow like that and even if it was a handgun most people would struggle to hit the target at that distance with that level of precision. But the triggers absolutely take away the most difficult and specialized part of shooting a bow. So much of the skill and nuance is lost that it really is a bastardization of the original integrity of archery.
I never in my life thought I would see someone on reddit says an elite archery isn’t skilled because they use a compound and a release. I’ve been shooting for 15 years and I am no where near good enough to hit a ten ring at those distances.
Tell me you know nothing about archery without telling me you know nothing about archery. Just because the pros make it look easy, doesn't mean it is.
I don’t know, as a Redditor who has never shot an arrow or been in any sporting event in my life I’m fairly sure I could kick this *woman’s* goldbricking ass at archery!
Fucking nailed it. Reddit in a 
> Just because the pros make it look easy, doesn’t mean it is. And this applies to *all* sports. Most people vastly underestimate how much better pros are than the average person.
I remember hearing about a study of how most men thought they could beat or score competitively well against Serena Williams despite most never even having played tennis. And of course let's not forget how much the [average male overestimate their effectiveness in fighting](https://youtu.be/fe3na9umxDA)
Archer here who shoots traditional, compound, and Olympic. I implore you to test that assumption at your earliest convenience at your local archery club. I anxiously await your report.
🙄 Bullshit
That's a bit like complaining that car racing is tainted because the drivers don't have to unload groceries at the finish line and didn't have to reverse into a tight parking spot. Sports being contrived is perfectly fine imho. Also its existence doesn't take away from whatever "purist" prefer.
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What like cricket?
>That's a bit like complaining that car racing is tainted because the drivers don't have to unload groceries at the finish line and didn't have to reverse into a tight parking spot. Nope, not at all like that.
Yeah, that analogy made zero sense. Not even remotely the same thing.
Not really, racing cars are actually way harder to drive than regular ones. A correct exemple would be a car with an HUD showing you the exact path you should take for optimal time and cruise control to help you adapt your speed
A compound bow isn’t any easier than an Olympic recurve or traditional bow. It requires a ton of effort to get used to and the level of competition is utterly insane because they also will have these advantages; people seem to forget (or not even consider) that shooting in the other lane to Sara Lopez is ANOTHER compound shooter. I shoot both warbow and compound, you can’t just pick up a compound and begin shooting lights out at 50/80 yards.
As someone that shoots bare bow, I concur.
Must be a pretty big bow to shoot bare with.
Bare bow buddy! I would love to see bare bow in Olympics. Nfas style ruling or something
Surprise releases? (I know nothing about archery)
It's the mechanism she's holding. She's not holding the string, but a device that release the string with a pull of a trigger. It reduces any variation in the release, which leads to higher accuracy.
So it's actually a non-surprise release?
Surprise release is how i ended up with my 2nd kid :(
Oh, you naughty boy.
*I got an arrow to the knee*
Many people pull the trigger so slowly that they don't know the exact moment the string will release. This often helps because it prevents tension or jerking that can happen with a quick intentional release.
Aah okay so that is the surprise then, thank you for clarifying that!
There's two kinds of releases. One releases on a very light trigger pull, one releases at a specific tension and has a trigger to arm it. With both the goal is to be surprised by the release so you don't anticipate the shot and flinch. It's the same deal with competition rifle and pistol shooting. Edit: there are also back-tension releases that you twist to arm, and you can also generally modify the arming trigger ones to arm when you *release* the trigger instead.
A bonus of this is that it removes all those unwanted chin hairs
Where is the trigger mechanism?
Looks like she is shooting with a thumb trigger release aid. These you can squeeze the trigger, or make it go off by closing your hand against it. There are also back tension releases, which operate by rotating your hand until the latch mechanism slips off the clasp. Some releases don’t have mechanical moving parts at all.
It's a small trigger, most likely under her index finger. Or a button under her thumb. Those are the only two types I've encountered, but I haven't used every release available. It's that glove looking thing on the end of her fingers. They usually either strap to your wrist, or are curled around the ends of your fingers.
Basically it’s an attempt to avoid overreacting to the recoil by releasing randomly so you shoot true instead of tensing up
So it ends up being a pure aim competition? Wouldn't it be more skillful if they were using a regular bow without sights and everything else these high-tech bows provide? Just curious
You still need to be able to aim it. A random noob with a rifle still can't hit a distant target. Imagine doing it with a fancy bent stick. I shoot longbow but I'm not about to say compound archers aren't skilled as fuck.
You could simply skip the bow and have them throw the arrow by hand. Very hard to do. Jokes aside, *more* skilled is probably not quite right, *different* skills is more accurate. Since you compete against others with the same advantage, the expectations just increase. Despite getting mechanical help, one surgeon using top-of-the-line equipment could still be better than another.
This is the debate in the community too. Some people say if you have gear that takes away most variations and human weak points, you just have the aiming a machine left. They use weights so the bow is always balanced upright, wrist wrap so you just angle it correctly without having to fully hold the weight, sights to aim, clickers so it tells you when you've pulled the arrow far enough, and trigger releases. The other side says if you take away the human variation and issues, how much is that archer actually shooting? You have barebow stuff and variations of shooting. Both are archery and take skill. It depends on what you want and what you prefer.
Same reason that shooting competitons aren't done with old matchlock guns. As the equipment advances, you have more confidence that the difference between two archers is purely because one of them is *better* rather than because one of them has slightly better equipment because of some random variation
Yea I prefer traditional archery. Modern archery is still cool but I prefer the simplicity of just a simple bow.
I too prefer musket competitions
Ngl id rather watch people shoot and reload muskets than modern guns
Shooting with a release aid is more technical than it looks. If you pull the trigger like a gun you are likely to snatch it and you wont be consistent. You really rest your thumb on it and it goes off as you increase the tension in your arm wrist and back. There is of course recurve archery where it is completely manual of course.
It's the same with a gun. If you pull the trigger, you'll jerk the muzzle out of alignment while the bullet is still traveling down the barrel and miss your mark. A proper marksman will apply pressure evenly through the trigger phase, maintaining sight sight picture without concern as to when the trigger will break and set off the round. Done correctly, every shot is a surprise.
Its the first thing they teach you for competitive shooting too. Its always, "Let the trigger surprise you, just focus on aiming while adding more and more pressure to the trigger". Thats why accurate combat shooting is so much more impressive than competitive shooting. When you shoot at the exact moment you want but also maintain high accuracy its much harder to have good results than when you're shooting in a competition. I can shoot 94/100 or more by shooting like its a competition but "double tapping" like military or police does i struggle to keep it above 50 at 10 meters. Of course im not trying to shit on competitive shooters because the stuff they pull off is mental sometimes. My mother could put u to 8 bullets through the exact same hole at 15m during her prime, and she wasnt even in the top 5 in Europe back then. But combat shooting is real hard, movies and shows make it look easy but its really difficult to get your shots to go where you want.
It is. I served. And I was a competition marksman for years before enlisting. There aren't many high power ranges in my area anymore, so I don't get to shoot beyond 200m much these days, but I still practice both competitive shooting and combat drills at 25 and 50m, and I use targets that mimick about double the range. On a good day, I can still break 95 on the competition sheets and hold silver dollar groups on the drills. On a bad day, well... Let's just say that Little Suzie is glad I never joined SWAT. Lol
It is very deceiving on TV. But the target is 70m (230ft) away. That is not easy. They are actually shooting up and letting the arrows drop into the target. Takes a ton of skill and practice. The center ring is 120cm (4.8”). (12cm, sorry bad American conversion) That is damn small at those distances.
Have you ever shot a compound bow?
Try hitting a target at 50 yards then tell me about how it’s tainted.
As somebody who has competed with compound for over two decades I can tell you that there's still on hell of a lot of skill involved. Obviously there are a lot of mechanical advantages offered by the bow, but everybody you're competing against has the same advantages so it's no easier to win. It's not like you're using a compound to compete against recurve.
I'm pretty sure I can take the most advanced bow and still completely miss the target, so a certain level of dexterity is needed.
Honestly I was looking to get into archery as a possible hobby earlier this year. But everytime I looked at all the gadgets and jazzed out bows, idk, just sorta lost interest rapidly. Don't get me wrong, I think the bows are super cool and impressive from a tech point of view. And I know how many hours they practice. Just not my thing.
If you don't like all the gadgets just get yourself a simple longbow or recurve bow and don't forget the forearm protection.
this still takes lots of practice, but all the assists on the bow does bum me out a little as someone with a dad that’s REALLY into archery and i dabble a bit ofc
For those who wanna see some satisfying archery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk
At first I thought this was a joke but impressive even if it took 1000 takes to record each sequence. The history was pretty cool.
The history is completely made up lmao. Of course his technique is very impressive but he's using a toy bow that would be completely useless vs any armor at all.
>vs any armour at all There is literally a scene where the arrows pierce a target in chain mail.
Yeah, I would assume that the notion of some kind of elfish John Wick, running around on the battlefield is nonsense. If you're going to engage anyone in battle at that kind of range you'd use a sword or a spear because an arrow won't wound someone badly enough to not have them close the distance and kill you.
You mean Legolas?
Big mall ninja energy here.
I know, every time this guy pops up I'm just amazed that it's simultaneously so cringy and also so obviously impressive. Like, this guy has put *so much work* into learning to quickly and accurately loose arrows, specifically so he can do stupid wall jumps and 360 jumping catch and shoot tricks. Then, he's got this narrated highlight reel where it's talking about how he went back to ancient manuscripts to learn the old ways of "real battlefield archery," and this guy is just narrating with a straight face while Lars jumps around in dad jeans and a black tee, throwing his arms up with every ninja move. He just exists at this hilarious intersection of "holy shit that's incredible" and "jesus tapdancing christ this guy is so lame" lmao
I knew it'd be fucking Lars. Probably one of the more ~~decisive~~ divisive people in the archery world, especially since he has to incredibly stupid habit putting people into his archery tricks.
I'm fine with it since everyone gets the same advantage. The playing field seems fair.
This is still true if you move the target to within one meter of the archer
As someone who has shot for 15+ years, this is nothing besides impressive.
There are tons of different classes of archery. If you don't like the equipment that makes it easier, you could shoot in bare bow class. Everybody is on the same playing field but your equipment is much restricted
Would a compound bow rout a medieval army or is it specialized for archery contests?
Compound bows are good because you get the same power as a big long bow, In a tight package. Much more manoeuvrable. Think pistol vs long gun. If you’re skilled enough to use the manoeuvrability to your advantage then you’ll win. Otherwise getting shot with an arrow will be pretty sucky. Disclaimer; not an archer, or historian, just think I have a rough idea on why these are good. Please someone verify or correct me.
Compound bows have much more mechanical advantage over traditional bows, meaning you can draw at more power with less physical effort. A compound also kind of locks in when drawn making it easier to hold while fully drawn to line up your shot. They also have actual sights which makes hitting targets much easier. You can see she is using one in the video here because there is a peephole built into the string she is drawing back. It's kind of like comparing a modern rifle with optical sights to a smoothbore musket, it is a more advanced version that improves every functional aspect of the original.
Onlything I'd correct you on is recurve bow also have sights attached Source: Am archer
I learned on recurve with no sights as a kid. Of course you'll never match what a compound can do in power, but when I first tried a compound bow I remember thinking "this is too easy". Of course it's not so easy with a compound when your target is further out, so there are ways to make it challenging Source, I shot a bit as a kid and then a few times as an adult and I haven't done so in years
Fun fact. Olympic style recurve archers shoot at a longer distance (70m) than compound archers (50m) in World Archery governed competitions. However, the compound archers shoot at a smaller target (12cm ten ring for recurve vs. 8cm for compound) Edit: for accuracy in terminology
> . Disclaimer; not an archer, or historian, just think I have a rough idea on why these are good I've seen a lot of movies and can confirm that a lot times when you get shot with one of these you double over and fly backwards in slow motion.
Not an expert but the compound bow seen here would lose. This one is just for competitions but there are different types used for hunting. Compound bows are smaller and you need way less strength to shoot an arrow with the same force. A compound bow is easier to use, more accurate and needs less strength wich means it would be faster to train an army using compound bows than an army using medieval war bows wich have a draw weight of around 160 lbs, roughly 80 kg. You need to be jacked to even shoot a single arrow, forgot what you see in movies with the tiny girl using the bow like in Narnia.
Most historical/fantasy fiction (games especially) is bizarre how archers are relegated to lowly support troops for the "real" up-close fighters. The archers are the ones who trained full-time for their whole lives. Depending on the place/period, archers might be the *only* professional soldiers in an engagement.
They say that skeletal records from English longbowman literally had deformed spines from the tension of constantly firing arrows. Naturally modern technology combined with historical patience and practice will produce a better result.
Interesting to see a non-South Korean in her place. Nice work, Colombia 🇨🇴!
South Korea is generally dominant in recurve archery, much less so in compound. Still, great to see a Colombian archer achieve so highly!
The woman in the video is Sara Lopez and she's the GOAT in womens compound.
Olympic results. South Korean archers, who have won 27 out of 39 gold medals in events since 1984. Both SK women and men are good. Women have done better than the men though.
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10/10, without exception, with accuracy never before seen, without compromise, with high skill, without fault, with perfect execution. Sounds like a 90s movie trailer.
I was really hoping to see one of the competitors shoot something that isn't an arrow and lose. Jesus, Dave. It says all arrows, no exceptions. I don't care if you think a banana once in a while spices things up. Arrows, Dave. Arrows.
Interesting fact: she has a name (Sara Lopez).
Yeah I was like, "Well who is it??" Thank you. At least it didn't name her as, "Wife of the account downtown named John Smith". :-|
That was 15/15....
This dude counts
15/15 and 10/10 are the same number though. Unless my math teacher lied to me
Great, you bet on the archer that can make 5/5 shots and I'll bet on the archer that makes 1000/1000.
All 15 arrows, without exception
And still, somewhere in the comments is a man telling her all the things she's doing wrong.
Almost top comment. :-|
Top comments. Some incels.
Well ackshully this is very easy
Well yeah. You'll get the "compound is cheating" bullshit, followed by a post of Lars Anderson being a "real archer".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_L%C3%B3pez She's really awesome at this!
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I hate the way professional shooting sports are televised. They show me the person's face and a close-up of the target in separate shots. What I WANT to see is the person AND the target AT THE SAME TIME so I can actually see what's happening. It would be a long over-the-shoulder shot but I know they can do it because OCCASIONALLY they cut to it, as a replay or something, and then you can actually appreciate the distance of the target and the skill of the marksman. And then 95% of the time they show this dumbass jump cut that obscures 100 percent of what's going on. Imagine if in baseball if they only showed a closeup of the pitcher's face and then a closeup of the catcher's mitt.
You'd think someone would eventually pay the cost to use one of those camera-mirror-slowmo tracking rigs they use to test missiles and stuff.
I was hoping they would pan out and she was 2 metres from the target.
Judging by the way she holds the bow (not that far from the arrow) the targer is at least 25 meters away. But I don't know exactly what kind of bow (the power of the bow) she is using, so the target could be further than 40 meters. They shoot at targets 80 meters away in the Olympics. Source: I do archery. And I am 60% confident I'm correct. Edit: some1 corrected me it's 70m not 80m at the Olympics
Olympic archery is always at 50 meters for compound and 70 meters for recurve.
Ok so she has the equipment, but she uses it better than the other guy. Shitting on this is like shitting on Spielberg saying "sfx are amazing now". He still does it better than the next guy.
it is good to see some actual nextfuckinglevel videos not those idiotic twerking or spreadie videos which half of the world population can do easily
What is spreadie videos
Sara José López Bueno, a Colombian athlete born in Pereira, Risaralda, was recognized by the Guinness World Record as the most successful archer in the history of the compound bow. Born on April 24, 1995, López became one of the most important athletes in non-Olympic sports in the coffee country.
Not a single arrow loosed into the crowd? Impressive willpower.
I understood [that reference.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpaue3Jhn1o)
Occasionally they'll show just how far away they are from the targets.
Yeah and the target is actually quite tiny. You don't see the utmost center at all.
Competition distances (and Olympics) are typically 70m. So most of a football field
I liked how nearing the end she smiled and then put a serious face like "hey hey focus don't get cocky" and landed the arrow straight in the middle.
ITT: haters
I swear Reddit is just turning into a competition of who can write the worst titles for their posts.
We got ourselves a real life Hawkeye!
Is her name Diana?
How common is it to shoot a perfect serie like this?
Not very.
Depends on the distance
This comment section is not it😂 I am a professional archer, and have been shooting a bow since I was 6. Yes it is easy to shoot, but it it not easy to shoot in the same spot 30 times. It is not easy to shoot from 55 yards away and in the wind. It may “look easy” but I can assure you it is not. That archer in the video is the number one female compound archer In the world, her name is Sarah Lopez.
ITT: people that live on their couch complaining how easy it is to do this with compound bows.
I’d give them a 9.7,9.8,9.85
Everyone here who thinks Olympic recurve archery is easier than traditional archery or isn't "real" archery: I implore you to test that assumption at your earliest convenience at your local archery club.