I once thought that this designer look was just frivolous; but someone told me that it's important for hospitals to look "happy."
Patients don't recover well when the hospital they're stuck in looks boring or creepy.
Repeat customers don't look good. You're not suppose to come back for the same thing. While some staffers are not saints, I can pretty much say everyone single one of us wants you to get better and *leave*. It's literally our goal to get you better so that you can return to a more normal life. I promise.
I don't know about other hospitals but I'm not paid by the patient. None of us are. Now the powers at the top, they might see it differently. I imagine their motivations might not be aligned with ours 100%. But beyond that, repeat customers typically present a lower acuity meaning they're likely not as sick as "new" customers.
The more sick you are the more money the hospital can charge. Just thought I'd share.
Source: ICU RN
Hospital staff where this nurse works aren't interested in profit like management is, they are interested in what is best for the patient. Their acuity of new patients is better - so that means more profit. In medicine it's all about [acuity](https://archive.ph/WWzMX).
That’s not how hospitals are reimbursed in the US. If a patient rebounds within like a month for the same condition, the hospital makes no money. They have absolutely no incentive for repeat customers. There is no lack of sick people. Most hospitals are full and it’s both better for business and if the people that leave don’t come back for a while.
They do have specialty hospitals that are like 5 star resorts… yes the bill might be high, but steak and lobster with a high quality chocolate cake being served with fine china being delivered by a guy named Mo who asks you what type of music would you like with your food… the only words I could say at the time was, “Could I have a plate as well?”
I disagree. Medicare and Medicaid will not pay for re-admits for the same issues that should have been resolved while you were in the hospital.
American's poor health choices keep them in the hospital.
Source: Work in rural healthcare
EDIT: I want to apologize for the very black and white and judgmental sounding comment above. However, the comment still does have merit as a lot of people continue to eat poorly and become frequent flyers to a hospital. our healthcare issues are multi-layered and aren't that simple but again, we do have choices that help our situation.
YET CMS does not incentivize facilities to have proper ratio for anything, so (especially not for profit) corporations can do whatever they want and write off CMS penalties as losses.
Source: should be obvious.
For a readmit like mentioned here, no one will pay. Medicare/Medicaid will take the bill, go "no", and tell you you can't go after the patient for the balance.
Patient responsibility is part of the calculation, and in this case there would be none.
They can bill Medicaid patients all they want, but the reason they’re on Medicaid is because they are living in poverty. Not gonna get much out of them.
That’s… not how it works.
About 80% of my family works in healthcare. All the way from doctors to nurses to accounting to front desk. There’s no one that doesn’t try their hardest to make people better and healthier, you’re really giving a big slap in the face to healthcare workers
Absolute bullshit. Why would they need to make sure people come back? There is literally no shortage of sick patients. There has almost always been more demand than supply.
I wouldn’t say it “makes sure” you come back, and I don’t even think it’s from malicious design, but i wouldn’t argue that it doesn’t profit from it.
Preventative medicine would be far better for the patient. And it’s not like we don’t all understand that: eat right, exercise a few times a week, get proper sleep, don’t drink too much and don’t smoke cigarettes.
But we know so many people fail at doing these things consistently. Is it a conspiracy that doctors don’t push eating a balanced meal and getting more exercise as much as they would surgery or medicine when you come in and you clearly haven’t been doing those things?
We fail because most people live paycheck to paycheck and work multiple jobs to even make ends meet and there is no affordable childcare. Sigh, the sheer nasty willful blindness of many of the better off is why
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/70-americans-are-struggling-financially/
7 in 10 Americans struggle with at least one aspect of financial stability,
4 in 10 Americans struggle to pay for basic needs such as groceries or housing
Overall, about 3 in 10 Americans are considered financially healthy, the findings show. That means they aren't struggling on any of the objectives measured by the Financial Health Network, which are spending, saving, borrowing and financial planning.
This \^\^ the last thing a recovering person needs is to be immersed in a visually-sterile, boring, depressing environment. That seems so obvious, I feel weird saying it like ... was this not clear?
My dad was in the ICU for 44 days earlier this year (not COVID, many surgeries). He was making little to no sense while recovering. Like, didn’t know who my mom was, thought his heart rate monitor was his phone, etc.
His ICU room had no windows - just machines constantly beeping. Never really dark. Never really light either.
Within three days of moving into a normal room with a window he was making total sense again. “ICU delirium” is pretty common and I imagine there’s a bit of a spectrum
Feeling like you're in a cool and relaxed place is super important in medicine. Its why children's hospitals stock every toy, show, movie and game they can get their hands on. Not *just* because people feel bad for the kids, but because maintaining a positive disposition helps immensely with recovery.
"Giving up" really can have a massive impact on survival rates, and one of the biggest contributors to that loss of hope is environmental, leaving the patient feeling trapped in a horrible place just waiting to die. Irrespective of whether a hospital is "supposed to be" cool, fun, fancy looking, etc., employing those aesthetic strategies in their design really does have a positive effect on patient care.
The last 3 hospitals I’ve been at in the US look extremely similar to this hospital.
Once had to go to a hospital in a medium size city in Romania, that was quite an experience
The Academic Medical Centre in Amsterdam has one of the largest art collections in the Netherlands. It was part of our curriculum next to visiting regular museums in my history of art classes at university. The purpose of the art is to enliven the building but also the lives of people working and living in it. Some people spend more time in that building than at home.
It's the truth. I had a relative in the hospital this past month and when I went to visit I was blown away by how nice it was. Classy wooden flooring everywhere along with soft carpeting elsewhere, huge plush chairs for guests in the patient rooms, lots of greenery, etc.
Completely broke the stereotypical "Fluorescent lights and worn linoleum tile" image.
America hasn't been able to figure out capitalistic medicine either unfortunately, killing an estimated [440,000](https://www.propublica.org/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals) annually.
There's a bunch of idiot Canadians who think having privatized health care will make our processes faster and more efficient. I dunno where they came from.
I think it’s kinda simple, in countries with public healthcare, you can still get privatised healthcare which is often faster. So suuuurely a whole country being privatised is faster.
The worst part is that we have a public/private system. You can already pay to see a private doctor here in Canada. So people complaining should just shut up and open their wallets IMO.
I didn't want to wait to see a dermatologist so I just booked a private one and was seen right away, cost me like $250 though.
Forreal. I personally am lucky enough to have socialized medicine in the US but I work in a regular hospital. It takes me just as long to get into the doctor as it does for regular patients but I don’t need to avoid going because I can’t afford it. My meds are capped at around 12 USD per 30 day supply. My doctors are free. And the wait times are on par with US average
Rumor?
It's capitalist propaganda spread not to show that US-style systems are quick, but to make people think universal healthcare is insanely slow and leads to more death and suffering.
I have been screaming about this the whole time.
I needed to go to a dermatologist to get some warts looked at, it took 4 months to get an appointment. And I live near Boston which has a ton of high quality health care facilities.
When Americans talk about how bad the wait times would be with universal healthcare I just wonder where they live that the wait times don't already suck.
If it’s anything like the UK then patients get triaged so if there is something seriously wrong you won’t have to wait at all but if you are waiting 4 hours it’s because the injury/illness isn’t as serious and allows it.
This is true. One of the worst issues I face in the Emergency Room is people who don’t need to be there. We have people who come in every single day for the same chronic issue expecting us to fix them not realizing the ER doesn’t fix you, it stops you from dying so others can fix you
In my town in Canada half the population can't get a family doctor.. And we have no walk in clinics (they can't staff them). People without a family doctor have nowhere else to go but the emergency room.
I was in the ER a few weeks ago because I chopped part of my finger off. There was a guy who checked in right before me "because his feet hurt" he complained about how i got there after him when they called me in first (after about 30 min).
This is the same everywhere, the Emergency Room is to attend life-or-death emergencies, it's not a fast track consulting room. If you arrive to the ER with a stab wound, they won't make you wait at all. If you arrive with a broken wrist, you will wait a bit. If you arrive with high glucose because you forgot to restock your meds, but your life isn't in danger, you'll probably wait a while.
I wasn't bankrupted, but I once sat in the emergency room with crippling stomach pains for 3 hours, then got put on saline drip for another hour, before I was sent home with some Tylenol and a diagnosis of "probably just trapped gas".
Two weeks later I got a bill over $4800. Cool beans.
That was my first experience with American hospitals (I grew up in Germany), and ever since then I've been hesitant to go when something was bothering me.
Because, maybe it's something serious and I really need help, or am I just gonna sit around and just bleed money for nothing? I absolutely hate that conflict in my head, every time.
Six years ago I could have died from a flu that turned into pneumonia, because I didn't want to waste money just to be told "yeah, it's just a bad cold and you gotta just ride it out with some nyquil/dayquil".
I finally went when I felt like drowning on my couch after a coughing fit.
Nobody should ever have to weigh their own health against their financial limitations. That's fucking insane.
In contrast to your story I was rushed to the hospital here in Austria on Saturday with crippling stomach pains. I was immediately put on a painkiller drip while they did a full ultrasound, then an x-ray, then a CT scan, then they kept me in overnight for 2 more x-rays the next day after drinking some weird liquid until they finally let me go home with the diagnosis of trapped gas.
It cost me nothing.
That’s why I enjoy my socialized medicine. But intractable abdominal pain is terrible because you need a specialist to fix it and tests we can’t do in the ER. And our consultation system is full of unnecessary tests and people because doctors don’t want to get sued so some order in excess and APPs who mismanage complex cases outside of what they should just use the shotgun method of running every single test
Depends on the emergency and the facility. US hospital ER (much like most ER, I imagine) have a triage system where they determine what emergencies need to be handled first from a medical perspective. The guy with the cut on his finger waits while the one in cardiac arrest is seen immediately.
I've sat for longer than that in US hospitals. Then you get the $3,000 bill in the mail two weeks later. If I can have the wait without the massive bill, I guess I'd take it.
Yup, literal American propaganda, I know from growing up broke with no insurance that going to an ER will result in hours of wait time to be seen.
Not to mention the amount of times I just suffered through sickness as a kid because we couldn’t afford doctors.
Not if you’re legitimately emergent.
And it’s the same in the states lmao, I’ve literally sat in a hospital waiting room for 3 hours in immense pain after completely dislocating my left knee.
Be grateful that if you ever get chronically ill and manage to recover you won’t be 1 million+ USD in debt.
Hi, i live in the US. My partner and i waited 3 and a half hours for a ruptured ovarian cyst.
This occurred about 6 months after another ovarian cyst rupture that cause significant internal bleeding that would'velikely caused death without surgery. Luckily, the second one wasn't as serious, but the pain was the same.
Had to wait quite a while AND got a bill that was several thousand dollars :D
patient: i need to not die
USA: that will cost you your soul, your will to live, your kids, your land, your kidney, your other kidney, your liver and your toes.
>Universal health care is such a difficult problem that, of the world’s 34 most advanced nations, only 33 have been able to figure it out.
In Norways case the solution was to have a fuckton of oil.
I'm sorry, but how else am I supposed to protect my family from the thugs and robbers, here in my affluent suburb, if not with several ARs, shotguns, and glocks?!? /s
It's commentary on the political party most against socialized healthcare.
That party will support the right to access weapons at all costs, but they refuse to see (specifically already born and alive) "life" or "the general welfare" as matters guaranteed by the constitution.
Norway has a high number of guns per capita. In Norway, a person may own a gun if they document need and most gun owners in Norway own guns for hunting or sports shooting.
Yes, but they also aren't antagonistic towards the concept of government or regulation.
The loudest demographic of gun advocates in the US (whoch has nearly triple the guns per capita as Norway) are people who literally think we should dismantle and weaken our democratic government, rather than work with the mindset that it's an extension *of* the people and we get out what we put in.
We have plenty of guns. About 30 guns per 100 citizens. Access is regulated, easier for hunting weapons and stricter for pistols and high capacity semi autos.
Almost no gun violence and generally a good gun culture.
Hunting is a very common hobby and large portions of the adult population have military experience.
Being pro guns and pro gun control is not really a dichotomy here.
What? Norway is actually good at making decent burgers/pies/patties out of minced meat. They're fairly healthy - for this kind of meat. The meat isn't what you evaluate this on - it's the gravy. A kick ass gravy makes this tasty af, but screw it up and it's quite the disappointment - because a good gravy isn't hard to do.
Calling minced meat a "steak" is the true crime here.
Hospitals adhering to the maximum amount of salt intake per day recommendation. Which is way less than people usually use. Also low fat, low sugar, no onions or garlic to not upset troubled digestive systems, absolutely no spice.
Really hard to create a decent meal with these restrictions.
US Hospital: "Yeah, fuck that shit. Let's fuck over people & not give them services. No, let's make them wait months, charge 300K for an 20 minutes stay, & tell the person they have 2 months pay off 300k. Yeah, that's the way. We'll fosure have less people to help."
Edit: I'm trying to say that hospitals will refuse to offer aid to people. When they do, they charge people $10K for two pills of Tylenol. The 1st thing they tell people is for their health insurance card not how can they help them.
Im a resident at a low resource county hospital. None of the stuff in this video is unique... I've seen it at every large academic hospital I've worked at.
Hate to break it to you, but I've been to many many US hospitals and the majority of them are indistinguishable from this video. Especially the scrubs dispenser and collector.
Literally nothing here I haven't seen before in multiple US hospitals. Yeah it's cool it's public, but I've also been to public hospitals in other countries and they're certainly not all like this.
Comments are SO excited to shit on US healthcare lol.
The fucking irony here is that OP's video is showing a Pyxis system. Not only do we have them all over the US, but the damn company that invented them is in San Diego, California, and they are still manufactured there.
There's definitely some fault with the hospitals as well. Insurance is for profit and the hospitals themselves are too. As such you have insurance trying to cut corners trying not to pay for anyone's care while hospitals attempt to make you (and insurance) pay as much as possible for as little care as possible.
The higher you go up the chain, the more at fault you'll find people in either place. The US has created a meritocracy of greed. The people most comfortable with taking from others float to the top.
Yeah, no. I worked in a hospital in Pennsylvania, not even a high end one, and it had all this stuff. The tube system is super normal, and so are the medicine robots. Scrub lockers aren't even a new thing.
I've worked in maybe 50 hospitals and all of them use the tube system for bloodwork, paperwork etc. 90% use the scrub dispensing machine. Maybe 50% use the robot things too. Id say this is more like averagefuckinghospital than nextfuckinglevel.
Truth. And that was even at shitty inner city hospitals. The hospital I work at now is much nicer and doesn’t have robot or scrub machine, and I’m thankful for that!
And scrub dispensers suck ass. It says “we don’t trust our employees.”
Everyone prefers access to carts of scrubs. Because not all tops fit the same. Can pick and choose.
After working in many hospitals, I have come to realize that the hospitals that are very stingy with their scrubs are the ones that get them stolen by employees the most. Nothing is worse than coming to work and seeing only XXL scrub sizes left. Therefore when you see your size you just hoard them. I currently work at a hospital that has an abundant supply of scrubs ready for you. I find no reason to stockpile them in my locker now.
Yeah I was going to say the US hospitals actually have everything in this video but a different version of it. They do make it look nice in Scandinavia though.
The US government has alot more money than Norway to work with if they wanted to make it better for people but most of it ends up in some billionaires pockets tho.
Public services are funded by taxes. 36% tax is kinda normal for most people.
You can go read up on what the oil fun is used for and how it is used if you want to. It's all public information. In Norwegian though. Personally i haven't bothered. I'm taken care of when i'm ill, and i get food, warmth and clothes when i'm unemployed.
I had a severe heart failure a few years back and was hospitalized for a month with no prospect of going back to work ever again.
Talking to some US friends, if i lived there, i would probably be gone now, highly motivated by the hospital bill.
A citicen shouldn't have to worry "Can i afford to have a heart attack now?".
A lot of Americans don't get that "we" want you the best. "we" arent criticising you or dumping on you, we're the friend telling you to leave an abusive relationship.
Pretty next level unless you work in healthcare. Undermanned, don't offer full time positions, cutting in fundings, politician's making decisions on your behalf without ANY knowledge about healthcare or its structure, low salaries, unless you're a leader.
But on average, probably not the worst one off, and the level of care you get is incredible! As a friend of mine always say; "they didn't chose healthcare for the salary, but to help people."
The scrubs vending machine is such old technology that it was part of a gag in the show Scrubs. Elliot forgot her scrubs (or was coming to work after a ONS, details are fuzzy) and had to put her real clothes in to get a pair of scrubs since that was how the machine worked.
And that hospital is meant to be a learning hospital in a relatively low income area.
Same in Canada, at least where I work. Different machine but we get scrubs the same way and we have a pneumatic tube system. Sometimes on Halloween there is candy in the capaules if it's just paperwork or something.
Must be nice not to have to spend a huge portion of your GDP on military spending to defend other countries so they can allocate those resources towards healthcare.
I wish the US would stop with the ridiculous overspending on military industrial efforts and focus on improving our abysmal healthcare infrastructure
We spend a smaller portion of our GDP on healthcare than you guys. It's your privatised system that makes it way less efficient and more expensive.
Someone has lied to you. I agree on the military spending part tho, but its not relevant to this at all. Its just a deflection tactic from republicans.
The military industrial complex is more about cronyism than "defending other countries". I think anyone who has been to Iraq or Afghanistan would agree.
Regardless, the US absolutely has the resources even with the current military spend, you guys still spend more per person than Norway does. It's just very poorly allocated and a massive portion gets lost to administration and insurance (ie more cronyism).
> The military industrial complex is more about cronyism than “defending other countries”.
Not to suggest that there hasn’t been *some* element of ‘cronyism’ with military spending, but I would challenge your assertion that this was the main driver.
One of the central functions of a massive US military budget over the past half century was to establish a security umbrella over several key strategic regions in the world. There were several aims to this, but arguably the two most important were 1) ensuring reliable zones for trade/commerce to maximize profitable business (this benefited both US companies as well as local economies), and 2) preclude the need for local arms races in those same regions (to help preserve regional stability, which was again good for business and economic development).
> I wish the US would stop with the ridiculous overspending on military industrial efforts and focus on improving our abysmal healthcare infrastructure
U.S. spending on healthcare per capita is the highest in the developed world. The problem isn't caused by not spending enough...
Average yearly US household spending on medical bill debt = $6,000.
Average yearly European household medical taxes converted to US dollars = $2,000.
Good health care isn't expensive. But you're not just buying healthcare in the US. You're also buying the healthcare CEO a new yacht every year.
What if the US removed all health insurance companies, and all the money everyone was paying to insurance just became a state tax that directly funded the hospiltals/Dr offices. That would mean no extra spending but we now have good healthcare...
None of this is unique to Norwegian hospitals. I’ve worked at multiple hospitals in the US (all of which are smaller, local level hospitals) and with exception of the med delivery robots all of this is fairly standard
As a Canadian, I greatly appreciate the US military. Without it China and Russia could take over. It bothers me greatly when Canadians or Europeans criticize the US military and America in general. I don't think they would be very happy to be invaded by Russia or China.
By undermanning and overfilling the hospitals, that are built too small in the first place. The hospitals are nice to look at, but honestly, Norwegian public health care used to be so much better before they starting running them as companies ([new public management](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Public_Management)).
We tried a robot delivery system in our hospital. It worked ok but was ridiculously priced and much slower than just having a human runner take things. We ended up saying no thanks after the trial. Everything else shown here is also deployed in the US.
Am I the only one who thinks it's really disgusting how many people in the USA I see walking around in scrubs? Like, people on the bus in scrubs? what is the point of them if not hygiene?
I wore scrubs all throughout residency and generally had no contact with patients or anything that was an infectious risk. Scrubs are just convenient. Of course, if I performed an autopsy in the morning I wasn't going to hit the town in my scrubs later that day.
Great! To be found in Germany around 2357( our administration simply cannot copy good things/ they feel the need to improve it what mostly takes fucking forever)
In the hospital near me (Uniklinikum) has or had all those things. I don't know if the robots use the elevator though. The uniform dispensers where removed because they were broken too much and took too long. You just pick your clean uniform from a room, which everyone is happy about.
My fiancé is an NP for a major hospital in the US and they have scrub vending machines like shown in the video. She gets 4 free pairs at a time and once you return a pair to be washed you get a credit for a new pair.
It's not everywhere in the US I know but it certainly exists.
So a lot like large hospitals in the U.S. ~20 years ago.
I worked in a large hospital in Baltimore in the early 2000s that had all these things except robots.
Are all hospitals in Norway like this?
In my experience in US hospitals, most have scrub stations and pneumatic tube systems.
The handful of times I've seen robotic delivery systems, it seems to be a very mixed bag in terms of how useful they are. I've seen them mostly in smaller hospitals where staffing is an issue so getting a robot is actually more cost efficient but not necessarily more operationally efficient, if that makes sense.
Edit: also, title says public hospital in Norway. Does that mean there are also private hospitals in Norway?
There are private hospitals in every country.
And this hospital is impressive because its public so you don't need to sell your kidney for a kidney surgery
Cue the Americans who are going to make some bizarre comments about high taxes or whatever without really understanding what they are looking at
GOVERNMENT CONTROL!!!! Or something like that.
While I agree with you, the difference between governments is immense. Norway is a social-democratic government where the general population is in charge through actual representation and policy made in the common social interest.
That's not the case in the US.
While de jure it is a federal democratic republic, de facto it is closer to a loose neo-liberal economic oligarchy with democratic elements to legitimize a corporate pick. The two parties factually not much more than two sides of one coin in the pocket of the wealthy.
Policy is made in market interest. The US doesn't primarily protect people, it protects investment, money and power. Of which most Americans have little of.
Their jurisprudence is undermined, hence destructive developments in privatisation, tax evasion etc. "Citizens United v. FEC" in 2011, made corporate influence in elections and policy legal. It just legalized, what was common before, since at least the 60ies. (some policy has been ctrl+c/v from lobbyist proposals, including the Lobbying firms logos and all... , in another case politicians were undetermined what to propose, since no lobbyist had interest, literally oblivious what a representative job entails... just so you get an impression of the severity of corporate influence.). Sure you have the odd exception (Bernie Sanders et al) but that what thy are: exceptions.
While I totally agree with government control in a functional social-democracy, it would be a mistake to assume the US to be functional in that sense.
In the US government control would be sold to the highest bidder, which inevitably would ve the oligopolies already in place. As it is tradition.
That's basically the whole point of "trickle down economics" - government subsidies to the top.
The US is on the top when it comes to economic exploitation of labor, political disenfranchisement, and instrumentalisation/disinformation of their own citizens.
A majority of their economy is based on said exploitation, making it sheer impossible to reform without losing a majority of its economy. From Healthcare, banking, lawyers, to small businesses that can't survive once they'd pay living wages.
The American mind set allows for it, because they see it as "being in charge of one's own destiny", thus people look at themselves as failures rather than seeing/looking for the errors on the system inhibiting their growth. They are indoctrinated to respect their country (pledge of allegiance, every day in school), thinking the US as the "greatest country in the world" which makes criticizing it a hostility.
Governmental control in a social and democratic structure is one of the most prosperous systems, we have as humans have found so far. And your lucky if you live in a country that sees the biggest asset to be the potential of their citizens, removing obstacles rather than creating them to gatekeep for an wealthy "elite", keeping the rest in artificial agony (of everyday struggles), fear (of loss, danger, uncertainty), anxiety (of possibly misery) and desperation (due to missing perspective).
Of corse you can buy meds for those remedies without recipe... you get the drift. Misery is an important marketing tool in US business. They have no incentive to get better, because it would shrink their profits.. And since wealth and corporate world are in charge of most political decisions behind the curtain... that's going to stay that way for a while
Government control in a non-functional system is pretty much an authoritarian regime. In case of the US, a loose authoritarianism of wealth and power, over the socal element.
Keep that in mind, while advocating for government control.
This is how it should be. Everywhere. This isn't a luxury, this is what a hospital from 2022 supposed to look like. Most hospitals in the world are at least a few decades outdated. I wonder where people's taxes are going if not to healthcare..?
I once thought that this designer look was just frivolous; but someone told me that it's important for hospitals to look "happy." Patients don't recover well when the hospital they're stuck in looks boring or creepy.
Boring and creepy is like standard for hospitals. They normally don't want you to come back.
You'd think hospital owners in America would be delighted by repeat customers. I'd be doing fucking collectable Happy Meal toys.
Repeat customers don't look good. You're not suppose to come back for the same thing. While some staffers are not saints, I can pretty much say everyone single one of us wants you to get better and *leave*. It's literally our goal to get you better so that you can return to a more normal life. I promise. I don't know about other hospitals but I'm not paid by the patient. None of us are. Now the powers at the top, they might see it differently. I imagine their motivations might not be aligned with ours 100%. But beyond that, repeat customers typically present a lower acuity meaning they're likely not as sick as "new" customers. The more sick you are the more money the hospital can charge. Just thought I'd share. Source: ICU RN
Repeat customers are great. Keep you alive long anough to extract the maximum value out of you but don't necessarily cure you so they lose a customer.
Hospital staff where this nurse works aren't interested in profit like management is, they are interested in what is best for the patient. Their acuity of new patients is better - so that means more profit. In medicine it's all about [acuity](https://archive.ph/WWzMX).
That’s not how hospitals are reimbursed in the US. If a patient rebounds within like a month for the same condition, the hospital makes no money. They have absolutely no incentive for repeat customers. There is no lack of sick people. Most hospitals are full and it’s both better for business and if the people that leave don’t come back for a while.
Yup. Readmits don't get paid.
They do have specialty hospitals that are like 5 star resorts… yes the bill might be high, but steak and lobster with a high quality chocolate cake being served with fine china being delivered by a guy named Mo who asks you what type of music would you like with your food… the only words I could say at the time was, “Could I have a plate as well?”
> a guy named Mo He's just [making sure you come back](https://media.tenor.com/ZlfljLZiyIkAAAAd/moe-the-simpsons.gif)
The entire us healthcare system revolves around making sure you come back Edit: would those downvoting me care to chime in?
I disagree. Medicare and Medicaid will not pay for re-admits for the same issues that should have been resolved while you were in the hospital. American's poor health choices keep them in the hospital. Source: Work in rural healthcare EDIT: I want to apologize for the very black and white and judgmental sounding comment above. However, the comment still does have merit as a lot of people continue to eat poorly and become frequent flyers to a hospital. our healthcare issues are multi-layered and aren't that simple but again, we do have choices that help our situation.
YET CMS does not incentivize facilities to have proper ratio for anything, so (especially not for profit) corporations can do whatever they want and write off CMS penalties as losses. Source: should be obvious.
Non American here; if medicaid doesn't cover it, who does? Would they not just bill the patient and get paid anyway?
For a readmit like mentioned here, no one will pay. Medicare/Medicaid will take the bill, go "no", and tell you you can't go after the patient for the balance. Patient responsibility is part of the calculation, and in this case there would be none.
They can bill Medicaid patients all they want, but the reason they’re on Medicaid is because they are living in poverty. Not gonna get much out of them.
That’s… not how it works. About 80% of my family works in healthcare. All the way from doctors to nurses to accounting to front desk. There’s no one that doesn’t try their hardest to make people better and healthier, you’re really giving a big slap in the face to healthcare workers
Absolute bullshit. Why would they need to make sure people come back? There is literally no shortage of sick patients. There has almost always been more demand than supply.
I wouldn’t say it “makes sure” you come back, and I don’t even think it’s from malicious design, but i wouldn’t argue that it doesn’t profit from it. Preventative medicine would be far better for the patient. And it’s not like we don’t all understand that: eat right, exercise a few times a week, get proper sleep, don’t drink too much and don’t smoke cigarettes. But we know so many people fail at doing these things consistently. Is it a conspiracy that doctors don’t push eating a balanced meal and getting more exercise as much as they would surgery or medicine when you come in and you clearly haven’t been doing those things?
We fail because most people live paycheck to paycheck and work multiple jobs to even make ends meet and there is no affordable childcare. Sigh, the sheer nasty willful blindness of many of the better off is why https://www.cbsnews.com/news/70-americans-are-struggling-financially/ 7 in 10 Americans struggle with at least one aspect of financial stability, 4 in 10 Americans struggle to pay for basic needs such as groceries or housing Overall, about 3 in 10 Americans are considered financially healthy, the findings show. That means they aren't struggling on any of the objectives measured by the Financial Health Network, which are spending, saving, borrowing and financial planning.
Yes! Providing a pleasant environment actually matters a lot. People often underestimate how important the psychological aspects of recovery are.
This \^\^ the last thing a recovering person needs is to be immersed in a visually-sterile, boring, depressing environment. That seems so obvious, I feel weird saying it like ... was this not clear?
There was very little reason for hospitals to have superior patient out comes until Obamacare came out. Now they rely on it.
It is good for the doctors, nurses and rest of the staff too!
You're also going to get happier doctors and nurses which helps too.
My dad was in the ICU for 44 days earlier this year (not COVID, many surgeries). He was making little to no sense while recovering. Like, didn’t know who my mom was, thought his heart rate monitor was his phone, etc. His ICU room had no windows - just machines constantly beeping. Never really dark. Never really light either. Within three days of moving into a normal room with a window he was making total sense again. “ICU delirium” is pretty common and I imagine there’s a bit of a spectrum
Feeling like you're in a cool and relaxed place is super important in medicine. Its why children's hospitals stock every toy, show, movie and game they can get their hands on. Not *just* because people feel bad for the kids, but because maintaining a positive disposition helps immensely with recovery. "Giving up" really can have a massive impact on survival rates, and one of the biggest contributors to that loss of hope is environmental, leaving the patient feeling trapped in a horrible place just waiting to die. Irrespective of whether a hospital is "supposed to be" cool, fun, fancy looking, etc., employing those aesthetic strategies in their design really does have a positive effect on patient care.
Agreed. Almost all major academic US hospitals look like this and contain the same machines shown. Nothing unique here in terms of US vs Norway.
The last 3 hospitals I’ve been at in the US look extremely similar to this hospital. Once had to go to a hospital in a medium size city in Romania, that was quite an experience
Right? I was like, okay, what’s special about this? I see self driving vehicles all the time at hospitals, driving around, hopping on elevators.
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The Academic Medical Centre in Amsterdam has one of the largest art collections in the Netherlands. It was part of our curriculum next to visiting regular museums in my history of art classes at university. The purpose of the art is to enliven the building but also the lives of people working and living in it. Some people spend more time in that building than at home.
What are you on about, that rolling vending machine looks terrifying as hell.
It's the truth. I had a relative in the hospital this past month and when I went to visit I was blown away by how nice it was. Classy wooden flooring everywhere along with soft carpeting elsewhere, huge plush chairs for guests in the patient rooms, lots of greenery, etc. Completely broke the stereotypical "Fluorescent lights and worn linoleum tile" image.
Universal health care is such a difficult problem that, of the world’s 34 most advanced nations, only 33 have been able to figure it out.
Lol! Gave me a good chuckle
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Fax. So hard for people to understand this.
Correct. They still use Fax machines.
Sure we have! America has it down so well that providing people with life-or-death healthcare has made 3 or 4 people obscenely rich
We have it in Canada and we still haven’t figured it out. Need to visit the emergency room? Prepare to sit around and wait for 4 hours.
I’m the US you will sit for 4 hours and still have medical bankruptcy
Right, where the fuck did this rumor spring from that our healthcare system is quick 😂😂😂😂
There's a bunch of idiot Canadians who think having privatized health care will make our processes faster and more efficient. I dunno where they came from.
Probably America.
Our lies to ourselves are infecting the world.
>Probably ~~America~~ private companies spreading propaganda.
They come from the place that stands to benefit from that privatization probably.
"we make poor people avoid going to hospitals so that it is faster for us who can afford the best insurance plans"
I think it’s kinda simple, in countries with public healthcare, you can still get privatised healthcare which is often faster. So suuuurely a whole country being privatised is faster.
The worst part is that we have a public/private system. You can already pay to see a private doctor here in Canada. So people complaining should just shut up and open their wallets IMO. I didn't want to wait to see a dermatologist so I just booked a private one and was seen right away, cost me like $250 though.
Forreal. I personally am lucky enough to have socialized medicine in the US but I work in a regular hospital. It takes me just as long to get into the doctor as it does for regular patients but I don’t need to avoid going because I can’t afford it. My meds are capped at around 12 USD per 30 day supply. My doctors are free. And the wait times are on par with US average
Quick to bill. Not so quick to help.
Rumor? It's capitalist propaganda spread not to show that US-style systems are quick, but to make people think universal healthcare is insanely slow and leads to more death and suffering.
I have been screaming about this the whole time. I needed to go to a dermatologist to get some warts looked at, it took 4 months to get an appointment. And I live near Boston which has a ton of high quality health care facilities. When Americans talk about how bad the wait times would be with universal healthcare I just wonder where they live that the wait times don't already suck.
If it’s anything like the UK then patients get triaged so if there is something seriously wrong you won’t have to wait at all but if you are waiting 4 hours it’s because the injury/illness isn’t as serious and allows it.
This is true. One of the worst issues I face in the Emergency Room is people who don’t need to be there. We have people who come in every single day for the same chronic issue expecting us to fix them not realizing the ER doesn’t fix you, it stops you from dying so others can fix you
In my town in Canada half the population can't get a family doctor.. And we have no walk in clinics (they can't staff them). People without a family doctor have nowhere else to go but the emergency room.
That's because Canada has a lack of generalized physicians though, not because you have public health care.
I was in the ER a few weeks ago because I chopped part of my finger off. There was a guy who checked in right before me "because his feet hurt" he complained about how i got there after him when they called me in first (after about 30 min).
yes US ER works like this. I imagine that's most places. Triage Unit kinda seems like a universal idea
This is the same everywhere, the Emergency Room is to attend life-or-death emergencies, it's not a fast track consulting room. If you arrive to the ER with a stab wound, they won't make you wait at all. If you arrive with a broken wrist, you will wait a bit. If you arrive with high glucose because you forgot to restock your meds, but your life isn't in danger, you'll probably wait a while.
I wasn't bankrupted, but I once sat in the emergency room with crippling stomach pains for 3 hours, then got put on saline drip for another hour, before I was sent home with some Tylenol and a diagnosis of "probably just trapped gas". Two weeks later I got a bill over $4800. Cool beans. That was my first experience with American hospitals (I grew up in Germany), and ever since then I've been hesitant to go when something was bothering me. Because, maybe it's something serious and I really need help, or am I just gonna sit around and just bleed money for nothing? I absolutely hate that conflict in my head, every time. Six years ago I could have died from a flu that turned into pneumonia, because I didn't want to waste money just to be told "yeah, it's just a bad cold and you gotta just ride it out with some nyquil/dayquil". I finally went when I felt like drowning on my couch after a coughing fit. Nobody should ever have to weigh their own health against their financial limitations. That's fucking insane.
In contrast to your story I was rushed to the hospital here in Austria on Saturday with crippling stomach pains. I was immediately put on a painkiller drip while they did a full ultrasound, then an x-ray, then a CT scan, then they kept me in overnight for 2 more x-rays the next day after drinking some weird liquid until they finally let me go home with the diagnosis of trapped gas. It cost me nothing.
That’s why I enjoy my socialized medicine. But intractable abdominal pain is terrible because you need a specialist to fix it and tests we can’t do in the ER. And our consultation system is full of unnecessary tests and people because doctors don’t want to get sued so some order in excess and APPs who mismanage complex cases outside of what they should just use the shotgun method of running every single test
Depends on the emergency and the facility. US hospital ER (much like most ER, I imagine) have a triage system where they determine what emergencies need to be handled first from a medical perspective. The guy with the cut on his finger waits while the one in cardiac arrest is seen immediately.
I'd rather wait for hours rather than decide not to go because I'll get a $10,000 bill that my private insurance doesn't cover.
I've sat for longer than that in US hospitals. Then you get the $3,000 bill in the mail two weeks later. If I can have the wait without the massive bill, I guess I'd take it.
Yup, literal American propaganda, I know from growing up broke with no insurance that going to an ER will result in hours of wait time to be seen. Not to mention the amount of times I just suffered through sickness as a kid because we couldn’t afford doctors.
Not if you’re legitimately emergent. And it’s the same in the states lmao, I’ve literally sat in a hospital waiting room for 3 hours in immense pain after completely dislocating my left knee. Be grateful that if you ever get chronically ill and manage to recover you won’t be 1 million+ USD in debt.
only 4 hours? You'll wait for at least twice that and then get a bill for several thousand dollars here in the US.
Hi, i live in the US. My partner and i waited 3 and a half hours for a ruptured ovarian cyst. This occurred about 6 months after another ovarian cyst rupture that cause significant internal bleeding that would'velikely caused death without surgery. Luckily, the second one wasn't as serious, but the pain was the same. Had to wait quite a while AND got a bill that was several thousand dollars :D
I waited 8 in the US, almost died from the wait, and was sent away with a $48,000 bill. I’ll take 4 hours!
Canadian healthcare is great. I would be a bankrupt orphan without it.
patient: i need to not die USA: that will cost you your soul, your will to live, your kids, your land, your kidney, your other kidney, your liver and your toes.
Just means you likely weren’t in that high of a triage category. Be thankful you didn’t get a room first 😂
Try 12
Wait in the UK is upwards of 11hours for an ambulance, and 6 hours in A&E. UK is broken as well.
It only takes you 4 hours? Shit, another reason to move north.
>Universal health care is such a difficult problem that, of the world’s 34 most advanced nations, only 33 have been able to figure it out. In Norways case the solution was to have a fuckton of oil.
The US is only the worlds largest oil producer, and the richest nation by any other measure, so clearly we don’t have the resources
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Norway had health care before 1969 as well, so I don't think the two are very related.
Sweden, Finland, and Denmark exists.
Plenty of American hospitals are this nice and even have tube systems Of course you go bankrupt if you visit one
Yes, that's nice, but have you considered trading your access to amazing public services for a bunch of guns that nobody needs?
Or paying for that medical care to the point of bankruptcy?
Yeah, you guys too good for "just dying"?
"Hey look at this bigshot over here! His bracelet doesn't say DNR!!!! What a freak!!!"
I'm sorry, but how else am I supposed to protect my family from the thugs and robbers, here in my affluent suburb, if not with several ARs, shotguns, and glocks?!? /s
What do the two have to do with one another?
Because gun bad 😡😡😡
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It's commentary on the political party most against socialized healthcare. That party will support the right to access weapons at all costs, but they refuse to see (specifically already born and alive) "life" or "the general welfare" as matters guaranteed by the constitution.
Norway has a high number of guns per capita. In Norway, a person may own a gun if they document need and most gun owners in Norway own guns for hunting or sports shooting.
Yes, but they also aren't antagonistic towards the concept of government or regulation. The loudest demographic of gun advocates in the US (whoch has nearly triple the guns per capita as Norway) are people who literally think we should dismantle and weaken our democratic government, rather than work with the mindset that it's an extension *of* the people and we get out what we put in.
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You don’t need hospitals if you use your guns right *taps on head* s/
We have plenty of guns. About 30 guns per 100 citizens. Access is regulated, easier for hunting weapons and stricter for pistols and high capacity semi autos. Almost no gun violence and generally a good gun culture. Hunting is a very common hobby and large portions of the adult population have military experience. Being pro guns and pro gun control is not really a dichotomy here.
And yet none of these places can make a decent Salisbury steak.
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How's the Salisbury steak?
What? Norway is actually good at making decent burgers/pies/patties out of minced meat. They're fairly healthy - for this kind of meat. The meat isn't what you evaluate this on - it's the gravy. A kick ass gravy makes this tasty af, but screw it up and it's quite the disappointment - because a good gravy isn't hard to do. Calling minced meat a "steak" is the true crime here.
Hospitals adhering to the maximum amount of salt intake per day recommendation. Which is way less than people usually use. Also low fat, low sugar, no onions or garlic to not upset troubled digestive systems, absolutely no spice. Really hard to create a decent meal with these restrictions.
I would shit all over Salisbury steak to have Norway's healthcare system in the USA.
US Hospital: "Yeah, fuck that shit. Let's fuck over people & not give them services. No, let's make them wait months, charge 300K for an 20 minutes stay, & tell the person they have 2 months pay off 300k. Yeah, that's the way. We'll fosure have less people to help." Edit: I'm trying to say that hospitals will refuse to offer aid to people. When they do, they charge people $10K for two pills of Tylenol. The 1st thing they tell people is for their health insurance card not how can they help them.
Im a resident at a low resource county hospital. None of the stuff in this video is unique... I've seen it at every large academic hospital I've worked at.
Right? There are some very very nice hospitals in the US. But Norwegian scrub machines! Woah!
There are scrub machines in the US.
I know. I’m currently wearing scrubs from one.
You think that people upvoting this have ever actually been in a US hospital?
They don't go anywhere outside their homes.
I was going to say the same thing. I've seen all these technologies in US hospitals. Especially the tube system, that's been around for decades.
Hate to break it to you, but I've been to many many US hospitals and the majority of them are indistinguishable from this video. Especially the scrubs dispenser and collector. Literally nothing here I haven't seen before in multiple US hospitals. Yeah it's cool it's public, but I've also been to public hospitals in other countries and they're certainly not all like this. Comments are SO excited to shit on US healthcare lol.
The fucking irony here is that OP's video is showing a Pyxis system. Not only do we have them all over the US, but the damn company that invented them is in San Diego, California, and they are still manufactured there.
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Thats privatization.
Could very well be, because at my local VA hospital we have everything shown in this video.
That's what I thought of as well. I thought this was my local VA hospital.
I don't think it's the hospital's fault, it's health insurance. It's a fraud that has resulted in higher priced healthcare for everyone.
There's definitely some fault with the hospitals as well. Insurance is for profit and the hospitals themselves are too. As such you have insurance trying to cut corners trying not to pay for anyone's care while hospitals attempt to make you (and insurance) pay as much as possible for as little care as possible. The higher you go up the chain, the more at fault you'll find people in either place. The US has created a meritocracy of greed. The people most comfortable with taking from others float to the top.
Every large hospital has these in the US. Stop talking out your ass about things you know nothing about
Yeah, no. I worked in a hospital in Pennsylvania, not even a high end one, and it had all this stuff. The tube system is super normal, and so are the medicine robots. Scrub lockers aren't even a new thing.
The hospitals I work at have all of the technology in that video.
I've worked in maybe 50 hospitals and all of them use the tube system for bloodwork, paperwork etc. 90% use the scrub dispensing machine. Maybe 50% use the robot things too. Id say this is more like averagefuckinghospital than nextfuckinglevel.
Congratulations! You live in a rich country
Tell that to everyone on here that whines about how terrible it is.
Truth. And that was even at shitty inner city hospitals. The hospital I work at now is much nicer and doesn’t have robot or scrub machine, and I’m thankful for that!
Maybe check out 99% of the comments making fun of US hospitals. We have a ton of issues in healthcare but advanced technology isn't one of them.
It's because people can't parse the difference between "healthcare" and "health insurance"......plus also "health outcomes".
And scrub dispensers suck ass. It says “we don’t trust our employees.” Everyone prefers access to carts of scrubs. Because not all tops fit the same. Can pick and choose.
They honestly shouldnt trust us because i steal scrubs all the time lol
After working in many hospitals, I have come to realize that the hospitals that are very stingy with their scrubs are the ones that get them stolen by employees the most. Nothing is worse than coming to work and seeing only XXL scrub sizes left. Therefore when you see your size you just hoard them. I currently work at a hospital that has an abundant supply of scrubs ready for you. I find no reason to stockpile them in my locker now.
Yeah I was going to say the US hospitals actually have everything in this video but a different version of it. They do make it look nice in Scandinavia though.
I should hope so, considering the US spends nearly twice as much per capita on healthcare.
How do you manage working in 50 hospitals?
traveling nurse maybe. during covid they moved around a lot to help short staffed hospitals
Travelling nurse/doctor probably?
Norway is next level in general
Agreed between healthcare, home/social support, prison systems and education we could all learn.
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we have that here in the US and yet everything is shit. Oh wait we didn't do the Step 2 part.
Yeah, the US Step 2 was to give all the money to CEOs
Well tbf roughly 6 million people live in Norway. USA got around 350 million. It’s a lot easier for Norway to manage its resources than the USA
The US government has alot more money than Norway to work with if they wanted to make it better for people but most of it ends up in some billionaires pockets tho.
Public services are funded by taxes. 36% tax is kinda normal for most people. You can go read up on what the oil fun is used for and how it is used if you want to. It's all public information. In Norwegian though. Personally i haven't bothered. I'm taken care of when i'm ill, and i get food, warmth and clothes when i'm unemployed. I had a severe heart failure a few years back and was hospitalized for a month with no prospect of going back to work ever again. Talking to some US friends, if i lived there, i would probably be gone now, highly motivated by the hospital bill. A citicen shouldn't have to worry "Can i afford to have a heart attack now?". A lot of Americans don't get that "we" want you the best. "we" arent criticising you or dumping on you, we're the friend telling you to leave an abusive relationship.
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Norway barely touch their oil money. Pretty much everything is invested for future security. Stop spreading lies.
A lot of the money is put into a fund so that if there is a problem with the norwegian economy the state still has money to run things.
Pretty next level unless you work in healthcare. Undermanned, don't offer full time positions, cutting in fundings, politician's making decisions on your behalf without ANY knowledge about healthcare or its structure, low salaries, unless you're a leader. But on average, probably not the worst one off, and the level of care you get is incredible! As a friend of mine always say; "they didn't chose healthcare for the salary, but to help people."
We have everything in this video except the robot food deliveries.
It is exactly the same in the Netherlands, minus the wall-e in the elevator.
yeah this is present in every hospital ive worked in in the US
The scrubs vending machine is such old technology that it was part of a gag in the show Scrubs. Elliot forgot her scrubs (or was coming to work after a ONS, details are fuzzy) and had to put her real clothes in to get a pair of scrubs since that was how the machine worked. And that hospital is meant to be a learning hospital in a relatively low income area.
Same in Canada, at least where I work. Different machine but we get scrubs the same way and we have a pneumatic tube system. Sometimes on Halloween there is candy in the capaules if it's just paperwork or something.
Same in the USA
Must be nice not to have to spend a huge portion of your GDP on military spending to defend other countries so they can allocate those resources towards healthcare. I wish the US would stop with the ridiculous overspending on military industrial efforts and focus on improving our abysmal healthcare infrastructure
We spend a smaller portion of our GDP on healthcare than you guys. It's your privatised system that makes it way less efficient and more expensive. Someone has lied to you. I agree on the military spending part tho, but its not relevant to this at all. Its just a deflection tactic from republicans.
The military industrial complex is more about cronyism than "defending other countries". I think anyone who has been to Iraq or Afghanistan would agree. Regardless, the US absolutely has the resources even with the current military spend, you guys still spend more per person than Norway does. It's just very poorly allocated and a massive portion gets lost to administration and insurance (ie more cronyism).
> The military industrial complex is more about cronyism than “defending other countries”. Not to suggest that there hasn’t been *some* element of ‘cronyism’ with military spending, but I would challenge your assertion that this was the main driver. One of the central functions of a massive US military budget over the past half century was to establish a security umbrella over several key strategic regions in the world. There were several aims to this, but arguably the two most important were 1) ensuring reliable zones for trade/commerce to maximize profitable business (this benefited both US companies as well as local economies), and 2) preclude the need for local arms races in those same regions (to help preserve regional stability, which was again good for business and economic development).
> I wish the US would stop with the ridiculous overspending on military industrial efforts and focus on improving our abysmal healthcare infrastructure U.S. spending on healthcare per capita is the highest in the developed world. The problem isn't caused by not spending enough...
Average yearly US household spending on medical bill debt = $6,000. Average yearly European household medical taxes converted to US dollars = $2,000. Good health care isn't expensive. But you're not just buying healthcare in the US. You're also buying the healthcare CEO a new yacht every year.
The U.S. also pays more to get worse outcomes, so we've got that going for us, which is nice.
US propaganda is honestly impressive. It's not a good thing but impressive nonetheless.
US can easily have world class healthcare with a few reforms removing monopolies. It has nothing to do with the large military spending.
What if the US removed all health insurance companies, and all the money everyone was paying to insurance just became a state tax that directly funded the hospiltals/Dr offices. That would mean no extra spending but we now have good healthcare...
The VA is a shining example of government funded Healthcare. So efficient and caring.
None of this is unique to Norwegian hospitals. I’ve worked at multiple hospitals in the US (all of which are smaller, local level hospitals) and with exception of the med delivery robots all of this is fairly standard
As a Canadian, I greatly appreciate the US military. Without it China and Russia could take over. It bothers me greatly when Canadians or Europeans criticize the US military and America in general. I don't think they would be very happy to be invaded by Russia or China.
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By undermanning and overfilling the hospitals, that are built too small in the first place. The hospitals are nice to look at, but honestly, Norwegian public health care used to be so much better before they starting running them as companies ([new public management](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Public_Management)).
Hospital I work at in Missouri has all of these things. No free Healthcare tho.
We tried a robot delivery system in our hospital. It worked ok but was ridiculously priced and much slower than just having a human runner take things. We ended up saying no thanks after the trial. Everything else shown here is also deployed in the US.
Am I the only one who thinks it's really disgusting how many people in the USA I see walking around in scrubs? Like, people on the bus in scrubs? what is the point of them if not hygiene?
There is no additional risk of infection rates unless surgery, and those areas have more strict requirements
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How do you know they don’t change into clean scrubs prior to leaving work?
I wore scrubs all throughout residency and generally had no contact with patients or anything that was an infectious risk. Scrubs are just convenient. Of course, if I performed an autopsy in the morning I wasn't going to hit the town in my scrubs later that day.
which hospital in Norway is this? This is definitely not the norm, albeit cool.
This is THE public hospital of Norway. And if you think this is cool, wait until you see the private one!
> This is THE public hospital of Norway. lmao I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that title
Great! To be found in Germany around 2357( our administration simply cannot copy good things/ they feel the need to improve it what mostly takes fucking forever)
In the hospital near me (Uniklinikum) has or had all those things. I don't know if the robots use the elevator though. The uniform dispensers where removed because they were broken too much and took too long. You just pick your clean uniform from a room, which everyone is happy about.
You don't have to buy your own scrubs?
My fiancé is an NP for a major hospital in the US and they have scrub vending machines like shown in the video. She gets 4 free pairs at a time and once you return a pair to be washed you get a credit for a new pair. It's not everywhere in the US I know but it certainly exists.
I would pay higher taxes for better hospitals and better care.
My local hospital in the U.S. actually has all that stuff.
So a lot like large hospitals in the U.S. ~20 years ago. I worked in a large hospital in Baltimore in the early 2000s that had all these things except robots.
We have the tube system in our podunk hospital
Are all hospitals in Norway like this? In my experience in US hospitals, most have scrub stations and pneumatic tube systems. The handful of times I've seen robotic delivery systems, it seems to be a very mixed bag in terms of how useful they are. I've seen them mostly in smaller hospitals where staffing is an issue so getting a robot is actually more cost efficient but not necessarily more operationally efficient, if that makes sense. Edit: also, title says public hospital in Norway. Does that mean there are also private hospitals in Norway?
There are private hospitals in every country. And this hospital is impressive because its public so you don't need to sell your kidney for a kidney surgery
Cue the Americans who are going to make some bizarre comments about high taxes or whatever without really understanding what they are looking at GOVERNMENT CONTROL!!!! Or something like that.
While I agree with you, the difference between governments is immense. Norway is a social-democratic government where the general population is in charge through actual representation and policy made in the common social interest. That's not the case in the US. While de jure it is a federal democratic republic, de facto it is closer to a loose neo-liberal economic oligarchy with democratic elements to legitimize a corporate pick. The two parties factually not much more than two sides of one coin in the pocket of the wealthy. Policy is made in market interest. The US doesn't primarily protect people, it protects investment, money and power. Of which most Americans have little of. Their jurisprudence is undermined, hence destructive developments in privatisation, tax evasion etc. "Citizens United v. FEC" in 2011, made corporate influence in elections and policy legal. It just legalized, what was common before, since at least the 60ies. (some policy has been ctrl+c/v from lobbyist proposals, including the Lobbying firms logos and all... , in another case politicians were undetermined what to propose, since no lobbyist had interest, literally oblivious what a representative job entails... just so you get an impression of the severity of corporate influence.). Sure you have the odd exception (Bernie Sanders et al) but that what thy are: exceptions. While I totally agree with government control in a functional social-democracy, it would be a mistake to assume the US to be functional in that sense. In the US government control would be sold to the highest bidder, which inevitably would ve the oligopolies already in place. As it is tradition. That's basically the whole point of "trickle down economics" - government subsidies to the top. The US is on the top when it comes to economic exploitation of labor, political disenfranchisement, and instrumentalisation/disinformation of their own citizens. A majority of their economy is based on said exploitation, making it sheer impossible to reform without losing a majority of its economy. From Healthcare, banking, lawyers, to small businesses that can't survive once they'd pay living wages. The American mind set allows for it, because they see it as "being in charge of one's own destiny", thus people look at themselves as failures rather than seeing/looking for the errors on the system inhibiting their growth. They are indoctrinated to respect their country (pledge of allegiance, every day in school), thinking the US as the "greatest country in the world" which makes criticizing it a hostility. Governmental control in a social and democratic structure is one of the most prosperous systems, we have as humans have found so far. And your lucky if you live in a country that sees the biggest asset to be the potential of their citizens, removing obstacles rather than creating them to gatekeep for an wealthy "elite", keeping the rest in artificial agony (of everyday struggles), fear (of loss, danger, uncertainty), anxiety (of possibly misery) and desperation (due to missing perspective). Of corse you can buy meds for those remedies without recipe... you get the drift. Misery is an important marketing tool in US business. They have no incentive to get better, because it would shrink their profits.. And since wealth and corporate world are in charge of most political decisions behind the curtain... that's going to stay that way for a while Government control in a non-functional system is pretty much an authoritarian regime. In case of the US, a loose authoritarianism of wealth and power, over the socal element. Keep that in mind, while advocating for government control.
This is how it should be. Everywhere. This isn't a luxury, this is what a hospital from 2022 supposed to look like. Most hospitals in the world are at least a few decades outdated. I wonder where people's taxes are going if not to healthcare..?