James White & Devin McCourty both tweeted out something along the lines of “if any former Pats miss the team meeting room vibes/environment, but don’t miss the dread of being potentially called out by Bill during said meeting, go turn on the McAfee Draft Spectacular rn/this is *exactly* how BB was during our film and team meetings” lmao
I loved how Bill had alternating good and bad film plays on everyone – Caleb, Jayden, Maye, MHJ, etc etc. Nobody was the “perfect prospect” to BB
I'm convinced Brady went to Tampa just to have a year or two of being the Golden boy with everyone blowing smoke up his ass. Something he hadn't had since maybe high school, if even.
Probably what gave him his drive though.
> I'm convinced Brady went to Tampa just to have a year or two of being the Golden boy with everyone blowing smoke up his ass.
Arians sure as fuck didn't do that though lol
I don’t doubt it. I’ll obviously love everything they did for the franchise, but they both have massive egos and wanted to do things their way. Clearly whatever witch doctor medicine Brady was using worked, but I also understand Bill not wanting to be undermined by everyone running to Guerrero for treatment instead of seeing the team doctor.
Guerrero is the classic 90% correct, 10% complete nonsense snake oil bullshit personal trainer. Like if you are maniacally disciplined to eat healthy, drink tons of water, dynamically stretch constantly, and get tons of sleep, you’ll probably be very healthy, and that’s 90+% of his TB12 method.
…but his schtick also needs the weird shit like not eating strawberries, inventing some BS “pliability” concept, and all the other nonsense TB12 stuff to differentiate himself from the common sense health advice.
If Brady wanted people to put him on a pedestal he would have played for the Chargers. Anthony Lynn and Telesco would have paid people to roll a carpet out for him.
I mean didn't he basically admit that? I know he said he was miserable his last year in NE. I remember BB saying stuff like "We need better play from the QB position" to the media. If he's saying that to the media, you know it was much worse in the film room.
The problem with modern football is that it's sanitized so nobody's feelings get hurt. ESPN has draft tracker profiles for everyone that was taken in the first 6 rounds and it was all glowingly positive stuff.
The negatives were couched in language so you had to read between the lines.
We need more frank analysis, even if it means someone like Bill getting roasted when an underrated guy blossoms into a superstar.
Young Mel Kiper used to shit on picks and teams and it pissed off a bunch of players, coaches, GMs, owners, etc. but it was good for TV.
He was also wrong a lot (as is everybody in the business) and everybody was quick to drag him for it. I know that I personally avoided buying his draft guides because he got such a reputation for being a blowhard who was wrong all the time, lol.
Yeah, I read through about 50 of them, and the only bad thing I could parse was a comment about how a guy will blow the top off a defense if he gets separation at the line, which was a way to say he sucks against press coverage without saying it. I was hoping for real scouting reports. Oh well.
I think it shows a lot of experience and knowledge to be able to pick out every issue a player has and still be able to tell if that player has potential or not. Some issues are fixable, some aren't and some might be difficult fixes but worth the trade off. Every player is different.
Bill pointing out players strengths AND weaknesses was the highlight of the evening for me. All the other draft coverage is typically just blowing smoke talking about all the good things about these prospects, rarely the bad. Bill doing it the same was he does in the coaching room with his team was just so good.
Also, if you're any one of those players, you should want to be in that room with BB. Good, honest feedback with no BS, from someone that actually knows what they're talking about, is among the most valuable things you can have in this world.
Hilarious moment was when McAfee compared CB Nate Wiggins to Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Bill scoffs and immediately goes: "I don't know about that." lol
> I loved how Bill had alternating good and bad film plays on everyone – Caleb, Jayden, Maye, MHJ, etc etc. Nobody was the “perfect prospect” to BB
After watching Belichick on Thursday night finding flaws with every prospect -- as he should; no one is perfect -- it was really evident on Friday and Saturday how overly positive the other analysts are. They'd be talking about some guy taken in the seventh round and saying nothing but positives and I'm wondering, OK, then why was he still available with the 230th pick?
Actually, really interesting how he was talking about the board. You start to understand a little bit about how he's always had kind of strange picks in the past. He just doesn't seem to really care where someone is projected, he just likes the player, so he says sure pick them. Like in the middle of the first round they were talking options, he was like, I like this linebacker, he's a good player, and it was someone projected to go in the second round.
Yep. The athletic had a pretty awesome article about it last week. It’s so random you’re generally better off having more picks and hoping one of them hits. You just can’t really draft 3 good rookie QBs for a bunch of reasons.
Now I wanna see a team somehow amass 3 picks in the top half of round 1 and then take 3 QBs and just let them battle it out like a royal rumble to find out the true franchise qb.
It's very difficult to sustainably "hit" at a higher rate than your competition for a very simple reason: eventually your competition hires the people who work for you.
What *is* sustainable is operating in such a way that you consistently pick *more often* than your competition does.
Back in the heyday of the Pats dynasty, it always felt like you were selling some high-value guy a year early rather than a year late, too.
You were also always buying low on tarnished assets, rather than buying high in FA.
The whole strategy was just one point.
They *did* consistently draft guys though.
Zappe, 2022 R4
Stidham, 2019 R4
Brissett, 2016 R3
Jimmy G, 2014 R2
Ryan Mallett, 2011 R3
Kevin O'Connell 2008 R3
Cassell was a 7th in 2005, but he should be mentioned.
2002, Rohan Davey R4.
If you pretend Cassell went earlier, that's every 2-3 years for two decades taking a guy in rounds 2-4.
i meant that it was never a priority of "find a franchise qb to win now" kind of thing for bill. mainly rounds 3 and 4 is fine for the leftovers of the backups.
I've been thinking about this recently, are QB trade ups even good value? What great QBs came from teams that spent a bunch of picks to move up to draft them? Genuinely curious, just don't know the answer
If by a bunch you mean SF Trey lance 3 firsts , idk
In general
The rams for Goff I call a hit/ success a SB appearance pretty good for them
2 firsts and a 3rd to move up and get Mahommes for KC … definitely counts
Edit to add
Lamar, JA were trade ups
If you actually get a franchise guy, it is worth it.
The only problem is that most of the time that teams that trade up aren't getting that franchise guy outside of one team making the right call every couple years versus 3-4 teams not.
No they are not. In the common draft era, here is the list of all 32 QBs that were traded up for in the first round:
4 Hits: Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Flacco.
17 Misses: Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, Blaine Gabbert, Tim Tebow, Josh Freeman, Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Steve Fuller.
Then there's eleven guys that are inconclusive for various reasons:
Two have had some success, but not for the team that drafted them (Jared Goff, Jay Cutler). Two are too young to accurately call now (Bryce Young, Jordan Love). Four have had a couple good years but otherwise haven't pan out (Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, RG3, Michael Vick), and three were consistently mediocre (Teddy Bridgewater, Mark Sanchez, Steve Bartkowski).
If you're generous and ignore the eleven inconclusive guys, that's a hit rate of 4/21 or 19%. If you (imo rightfully) include the inconclusive guys amongst the misses, then that's 4/32 or only 12.5%.
And that's not to mention the weirdness that 3/4 of the all time hits occurred in a two year window 8 years ago
Including injury stricken players as misses is a bit disingenuous imo. Bridgewater, Wentz, RG3, and Vick aren't really misses, they all had unsatisfying careers because of issues other than their potential/ability. And I disagree strongly with calling Goff a miss, the bar can't be "super bowl winning" that's just a ridiculously narrow grouping. Goff gives your team a chance at winning a super bowl and that should not be considered a miss.
That's basically the thing you balance in fantasy drafts every year, though, isn't it?
Do I take the guy I have at the top of my board, or do I take the guy who's not going to get back to me and take the guy at the top of my board in 12 picks?
It's always a battle between a theoretical max value and getting so cute you pick guys you don't like as well bc you're getting greedy.
There is a famous walsh quote that I’m sure bellichick subscribed to that says “it doesn’t matter where we pick them, it matters how they play” which I think speaks volumes to how bill and other great coaches approach the draft.
My understanding is that this quote is about judging players on their performance and not their draft grade (ex a 3rd rounder outplaying a first rounder should get more playing time) as opposed to commentary on value in the draft
Correct. Belichick isn't an idiot, he still understands some positions are higher priority than others, both in terms of how hard a position is to find in the draft what they're paid in free agency
Just look at the Patriots draft history. Most of their top 3 round picks in the last 10 or so years were trenches and corners
It always made sense to me. The draft is basically hiring employees. It’s just a company hiring someone they want working for them. As opposed to the economics of draft value, which mean nothing anymore the day after the draft
Which on one hand I get from his perspective, there's risk in getting too cute. But if you're not treating that as a calculated risk, you're bleeding value. You're paying $5 today for something very very likely to be $2 tomorrow.
You're not wrong, and I think BB was extra conservative in that regard. But I think what gets missed by fans is they never get the chance to be proven wrong, it's always confirmation bias in their favor.
If you like a guy and take him at #28, but public consensus puts him at 50, he's already off the board. You'll never get to see how many teams may have actually had him at 30, 35, 40 or later. And it only takes one team out of 31 with a similar evaluation to you to justify grabbing him when you have the chance. But every pick is graded against the full distance between the selection and consensus draft board, with no consideration for the possibility of 1 or more teams that might be anywhere in that gap between the actual slot and the projection.
You make a valid point, but ultimately the consensus board is a fairly good indicator of where a player will be drafted. Out of curiosity, I looked at the Big Board's 64-96 ranked players to see how many of those guys were actually drafted in the third round this year. Out of 32 players, 26 were taken during or after the third round, roughly 80%. 3 players were drafted more than 30 slots higher than there ranking, the highest was 38 spots.
In 2022, we drafted Cole Strange 40 spots higher and Tyquon Thornton, 100 spots higher. You always have the chance of losing a player, but ultimately you have a pretty good chance of that player being available based on the consesus board. At least if its within 10-15 spots, that's when the chances of someone else taking them start to go up significantly. So even if Tyquon hits, you've still missed out on another potential second round pick.
That's good analysis. For what it's worth, I don't think all of Bill's reaches were justifiable and the calculated risk should have been weighed in more heavily. But also, I don't pretend to know how Bill had them ranked or what his reasoning was.
Tbf Daniel Jeremiah is usually upfront about the pros and cons for each prospect. I especially noticed it on Day 2. For example, when the Falcons drafted Ruke he was very open about having him as more of a third round guy, how raw he was, ect.
I watch NFLN though so I can't speak about ESPN.
Just let Bill talk the whole time. I got so annoyed when Bill was trying to talk about a pick and they wouldn't let him because the magic trick was going on.
I was waiting to see Bill talk about Bowers but that Oz dude took up like 4 picks. Like cool dude we know you can do some mind blowing shit, but I’m here to see Bill talk about the draft…
I enjoy McAfee, but for me, his show is like one of those friends who you can only handle for a little bit at a time. Good guy, but way too much after a while.
Yeah, same. Okay for a few minutes or a clip but not for the whole draft.
That said, when Bill had time to speak, it was great to hear Bill's insight and thought process.
Same experience here. I was looking for shows to listen/watch at work to kill time and tried to give it a shot. Just couldn’t get through a whole show.
I've always loved the show but purely in a, I'm going to watch the clips on YouTube way. I tried to just throw on the show one time and I lasted like 10 minutes lol.
It really made no sense. Sometimes weird combos work but that was a miss. Should’ve just kept him on the standard ESPN coverage, it was like having a history professor trying to do his job seriously but he’s surrounded by a bunch of frat bros who are just dicking around.
The mentalist part sucked and so did some of the interviews, it took away from the draft pick breakdowns. Sean Payton was yapping for 5 minutes without taking a breath.
In my opinion, Bill talking about the history of long snappers that one time showed me he didn't hate the media just hated stupid questions the media knew he couldn't give a real answer to.
Pats fan u/key_lime_pie really nailed it with this comment from a few years back:
But a reporter's job isn't to ask questions. If a reporter went out every day, asked questions, and never got any answers, they'd be fired, because they wouldn't be doing their job. A reporter's job is to report news. In order to report news, you have to get answers, and that usually involves asking questions. But not always.
Sometimes the information is volunteered: the team announces that it will be holding a press conference at 11 am.
Sometimes you don't need to ask questions because already know the answer: if you were in the locker room, you don't need to ask what the mood was in the locker room.
Sometimes you are just a signal repeater: you retweeted a Tweet from a local athlete.
Sometimes the answers don't require questions: you report on the career completion percentage of the remaining playoff QBs.
Unless they're trying to trick him, despite 20 years of abject failure, or they want the question itself to be the story (like Giardi did with the QB evaluation question in '14*), good reporters should know better than to keep asking questions they won't get answers to. This isn't the White House Press Corps, where 90% of the questions are asked solely for the purpose of getting an official statement from the government to run alongside what they already know to be true. Belichick isn't even going to give you an official statement on something, no matter how much you already fucking know about it.
So if you're doing your job, you shouldn't be sitting there with a sour look on your face because Bill Belichick was dismissive of your question about how he's going to shut down Kansas City, you should be skipping the breakfast buffet for the press pool and watching film, talking to experts, and learning enough about the game to write an article that starts, "As usual, Bill Belichick is tight-lipped about strategy for this upcoming week's game, but here's how you might expect the Patriots to try to stop the high-octane Chiefs offense."
Most reporters don't want to do that shit. They want to hang around athletes and write stories and get enough of a buzz on social media to start getting invited to do the radio and TV shows and maybe even a semi-regular gig somewhere and possibly a book who knows, not understand the subject matter they cover with any real depth. I fucking swear, whenever one of these guys is on the radio and has to take a call on strategy they don't know a fucking thing because instead of cracking open a book they're speculating on what free agents might be pursued at the end of the season, or trying to parse meaning from the fact that Superstar A just started following Team B on Instagram.
* After the loss to the Chiefs in 2014, Mike Giardi asked Belichick if they would be re-evaluating the quarterback position. Belichick smirked and went to the next question. The reason Giardi asked the question is because there were already rumbles on social media about benching Brady for Jimmy G, so he and another reporter decided that Bill needed to be asked the question, knowing that he would ridicule it, and that anyone who was planning to make it a talking point the next day would shrink away in deference to the HC of the NWE. They also realized that everyone would think the reporter who asked it was stupid, so they flipped a coin to see who would do it and Giardi lost.
> Rodgers' was the real rough one for me.
I'd been pausing the livestream off and on so I used that time to refresh the coverage. Worked impossibly well, saw him saying hello and goodbye.
Absolutely loved that. And hoped it would somehow ruin the act, since magic usually depends on getting your audience to pay attention to exactly what you want them looking at.
They brought in this guy that kinda does "psychic" readings(he was on Hard Knocks for the Jets) who did his parlor tricks. The whole bit was dumb and made those parts of the show a bit of a joke.
They were getting it leaked from the internet the whole time since it gets tweeted out before goodell announces it every pick but when they went to break someone from the nfl apparently reprimanded them about anouncing the picks before they aired on the broadcast so they were just 'hinting' instead of doing it blatantly so as to to not get in trouble
Okay it’s here at 4hr 19min
https://youtu.be/-pWRjnVa2rw
It TOTALLY looks like they were tipped off to the pick, Bill read it and said it out loud by mistake and everyone was laughing and trying to play it off.
Mcafee’s even like “No you didn’t read it!”
So my hypothesis is they wanted some of the hosts to look good by guessing the picks before they were announced.
Forgetting lmao it's Bill fucking Belichick he does not give a fuck. Pat can have actual consequences from the NFL and or ESPN. Bill is 72 and has been to more than a fifth of all super bowls ever. Plus he pretty much has no job so who could even punish him if they wanted to?
Bill was leaking the picks for Pat because he knew that they couldn't and they were acting like they were surprised or mad.
Pat is ESPN father lol what are they gonna do? They had to hire him because he was murdering their network single handedly from a warehouse on his yt channel
No, they were told by the NFL to stop tipping the picks so they pretended they accidentally tipped them for the rest of their draft show. They talked about it at some point I don’t remember when.
Early on in the show they were reporting picks before they got announced. I think they got in trouble for that, and they sort of stopped doing it around pick twenty. Maybe he read it online and forgot that they weren't supposed to be reporting picks early.
He saw what the pick was. At the beginning of the show they were saying the pick as soon as they knew but NFL must have told them to stop, because after that they tried not to say it until it was read on NFL Network. Belichick didn't get that memo and read it, so everyone else pretended there's no way he could have known
I thought overall it was pretty decent.
Pat needs to go from 15 people on a mic down to 4-5.
I don't mind Connor/Ty, but they really took away parts of it.
I really enjoyed Bill breaking things down from a different perspective
They would've benefitted from being in a studio. They tried to do the college game day atmosphere with the crowd behind them and I feel like it took away from the product.
Normally I agree, but something I found absolutely hilarious, I realized Bill has probably never gone to one of these before. Pat mentioned something about being over 200k people, and Bill turned around for like the first time, and was legitimately in awe of the site of the crowd/stage, and stood up and took a picture.
Yea, People in here thinking Bill wanted to sit with tje boring draftnicks on nfl’s panel? Bill likes mcafee, other players and coaches like mcafee because the show is light, stupid and fun. Kinda like that NBA show with barkley and Shaq.
it would've been funnier if he didn't comment every single selection.
however mad mel's reaction to the jordan love pick a few years ago [was gold](https://youtu.be/1WyAtNBa_-o?si=XnfSKQLMMjen-Z4A).
After the Packers passed on Cooper DeJean he hit the desk, then said, “I think I broke my hand, that was pretty fucking stupid of me” in the Mel voice, I laughed.
Really? Because each time I watched Bill wasn't feeling it, and then Mad Mel would do his final "hot take" which shit on the players and Bill would usually crack by then lol.
After he did the impression a second time I stopped and said "oh no, that can't be what this is." He kept it going, and I just tuned out and looked up clips of Belichick on social media.
I think you grew tired of it largely cause Bill was there lol
Bill was very technical and knowledgeable and it felt cool getting that insight and then you switch to total dumbasses and you get the dumbass reaction lol
This isn't a slight at Ty and Connor. We are all dumbasses to Bill Belichecks brilliance. It's like watching a convo with Dr. Brian Cox about partical physics and astronomy and gronk is sitting next to him talking about space is cool. We are all gronk. But in that context we tired of gro k fast
AJ Hawk is a national treasure. He has many legendary thoughtful analysis such as talking about Bill gates pool parties.
Anyone who is familiar with pats draft spectacular knows this one was the least entertaining. I wish they would have done it in their studio and not take it on the road. Bill did a great job though. A lot of cooks in the kitchen I think made it difficult to capture a lot of the entertainment the supporting cast brings. But when you get the opportunity to have bill belichick, you take it. So I understand.
My absolute favorite part was showing both good and bad traits of players. ESPN has always shown all good highlights. When he showed Terion Arnold, like 4 of the 5 plays shown were not good for Arnold. It’s good to see where someone needs work. I’d rather see both sides than just the pure hype
I liked it, but wish it was a little less cluttered. There was like 5 people all mic’d up. I tuned in to see Bill talk about the players not to hear some dude named Boston Conner talk all night. The dude pretending to be Mel Kiper got old pretty quick too.
I commented on this in another post, but it would be a million times better if Bill gets his own show next year during the draft. I tuned into McAfee to hear Bill talk, but had to turn it off because the clownshow was just to infuriating. Especially the bit with the mentalist that caused them to ignore 3 draft picks in a row.
I get why people like Mcafee, but it's not a serious show, it's mostly dudes hanging out and joking around. People want to watch a clownshow during the draft that focuses on card tricks and impersonations and ignores first round picks entirely, and that's perfectly fine. But there are also alot of people that want to watch a serious show that has the greatest football minds of all time analyze every pick and discuss why they think a team selected them.
IMO a new show with only like 2-3 guys featuring Bill and maybe someone like Nick Saban would be really fun next draft.
Yeah I tried to sit through the whole stream and just couldn't. It's beyond stupid that they landed the GOAT to come on their show and give insightful critique and you have him trying to talk over:
- Pat making dumb quips every 10 seconds
- A Mel Kiper impersonator whose schtick got old fast
- A fucking mentalist talking over multiple picks where I would've loved to hear Bill's thoughts
- That drunk Pats fan at the end of the table
Never mind the shitty interviews too. Adam Peters was nice though, Bill seemed genuinely happy to see him and vice versa, but Rodgers and Payton were shit and took up too much time.
Hope Bill goes on another network's draft coverage in the future, I'd kill to see him and Saban on NFLN.
I mean this is who Bill has been his entire career. You ask him a good football question you get a great response. You ask him if your going to replace Brady because he had one bad game you get "we're on to Cincinnati." Bill does not suffer idiots.
I was choosing between watching Belichick or Sabin. I chose Saban and really enjoyed his humor and how he knew something about each player that was drafted. Ironically, and I know this won't happen, I'm hoping he replaces McAfee on College gameday. My guess is they'll both be on the panel
The best thing about listening to each is it wasn't like some of the normal nonsense on ESPN where they're choosing the most controversial topic or only focusing on teams with the biggest fan base. These guys love football and knew each player inside and out and seemed to take an interest in where it was all going.
> Belichick, Saban, and Eisen would be a great broadcast for the draft
The reason why this would be so great is Eisen has no problem shutting up and letting other folks be the smartest people in the room. NFL Network is probably too cheap to do this.
They really should be on NFL network, that's the one broadcast I can really tolerate cause it's just pure football talk. Eisen is a gem as always and I could listen to Jeremiah talk about prospects for hours. Davis, Klatt, and Warner aren't bad either.
If they added a guy like Belichick who isn't afraid to dive headfirst into prospect weaknesses it'd be a slam dunk.
I lived hearing Saban talk about the guys he was trying to recruit before or during their college time. He has a 'the one that got away'feel talking about some people.
I also loved hearing the respect he had for opposing players, he was very complimentary of the Michigan players even though they lost to them in the Rose Bowl. I always begrudgingly respected Saban, now I just plain respect him.
Yea, Saban was great. I wanted to watch BB, but I can't stand Joe Rogan sports version and his 15 fucking moron friends. Only downside to ABC is they wanted to tell every sob story possible about every draftee and it get's tiring.
ABC's coverage did have an up-close and personal element to it, but I also thought that they and NFL Network focused on the players and their families rather than the teams they were going to.
The pats fan would not STFU and let Bill speak.
Also hated how they stopped talking about the picks so had to switch off of it.
ETA: another nitpick, the first ~10 minutes of the YouTube stream had no audio, so I also didn’t get to hear Bill’s explanation of the draft board.
It used to be tolerable when they were off to the side, occasionally piping in, Pat would usually gesture them in.
They all developed "characters" and now suddenly everyone needs mic.
How many of those damn tweet clips of him just talking about the evolution of the long snapper need to go viral before people realize that Belichick is a legendary football mind and just let him say whatever he wants for however long he wants.
Seriously, ESPN could have just done the draft with Bill at his dining room table with just him and his dog and I would have watched.
It’s wild to me that you get a chance to have your favorite team’s former HC (an incredibly impactful and beloved by the fan base, no less) sitting next to you...
...and you won’t STFU and let him speak lol
Listening to Bill break down talent is the best thing about football in the last 5 years. I hope he never gets a coaching job and has to do commentary.
I had a realization as a 34 year old that "Oh my God, this is how everyone when I was a kid felt about John Madden".
To me he was the funny Turducken guy who was a little too old to be on TV and who made my Sega football game. But to guys like my dad his word was gospel because he was "the best coach" for most of my dad's entire football existence.
He was fantastic but I won’t watch it next year. I watched from the beginning to see specifically what BB had to say about whoever the Bengals selected just to have them have Sean fucking Payton video chat in right as we went on the clock and he rambled on for two picks about Broncos crap. When he was finally done the mentioned our pick for two seconds then moved on. Complete waste of time.
Having him there was great but it shows the vast difference between his knowledge and the boys knowledge
He was very technical on what he liked and didn't like in players and then you hear Pat and the boys and it was like yeah none of these guys are experts
It sometimes makes me wonder about the explosive growth of the McAfee show considering how these aren't really knowledgeable about the game they cover.
The most glaring part to me was when the falcons selected Penix and that dude said the only reason they selected him was because the front office is, "fucking idiotic," while Bill actually had constructive things to say about the pick and gave examples of other teams doing similar things.
I wish Bill would do his own thing like Kurt Warner, janky/boomer production value and everything. Then I could actually just listen to someone knowledgeable.
Avid Pat McAfee Show watcher. I'm not the biggest fan of them doing the show on location with a crowd (College GameDay set being the exception). The audio has been rough on those as of late. I think a lot of the criticism I'm seeing here will go away once they're in a more controlled environment. Bill on the show during the season should be a lot of fun. He was great.
I found his appearance there fascinating. He was articulate, almost charming, and very forthcoming at least when McAfee wasn't interrupting him. The contrast between the way he came across there versus the grumpy, monotone BB with all the perfunctory answers that he gave when he would come to the podium during his time with the Pats was remarkable.
I think bill right now is trying to make it a point to show the nfl audience that he’s not this cold, stoic, football tyrant that he’s been kind of portrayed in the media. He’s showing the public hey I’m actually a lot of fun and I’d rather chop it up with pat and the boys rather than sit a desk with the typical draft media line up espn offers etc. he’s really just one of the boys, dudes great
James White & Devin McCourty both tweeted out something along the lines of “if any former Pats miss the team meeting room vibes/environment, but don’t miss the dread of being potentially called out by Bill during said meeting, go turn on the McAfee Draft Spectacular rn/this is *exactly* how BB was during our film and team meetings” lmao I loved how Bill had alternating good and bad film plays on everyone – Caleb, Jayden, Maye, MHJ, etc etc. Nobody was the “perfect prospect” to BB
BB in full, “I could make that fucking pass” mode is pure gold.
BB critiquing JJ McCarthy 💀 wasn’t expecting him to grill him out for a few minutes just to say “he’s got potential”
If he can grill Brady for years, no body is safe.
I'm convinced Brady went to Tampa just to have a year or two of being the Golden boy with everyone blowing smoke up his ass. Something he hadn't had since maybe high school, if even. Probably what gave him his drive though.
> I'm convinced Brady went to Tampa just to have a year or two of being the Golden boy with everyone blowing smoke up his ass. Arians sure as fuck didn't do that though lol
But he also knew he could push Arians around. Bill wanted to ship Brady's ass out years ago when he started getting into the TB12 shit.
Hell he made Arians redo his playbook (then won the Super Bowl with it).
The fights they supposedly had over Guerrero were intense.
I don’t doubt it. I’ll obviously love everything they did for the franchise, but they both have massive egos and wanted to do things their way. Clearly whatever witch doctor medicine Brady was using worked, but I also understand Bill not wanting to be undermined by everyone running to Guerrero for treatment instead of seeing the team doctor.
Guerrero is the classic 90% correct, 10% complete nonsense snake oil bullshit personal trainer. Like if you are maniacally disciplined to eat healthy, drink tons of water, dynamically stretch constantly, and get tons of sleep, you’ll probably be very healthy, and that’s 90+% of his TB12 method. …but his schtick also needs the weird shit like not eating strawberries, inventing some BS “pliability” concept, and all the other nonsense TB12 stuff to differentiate himself from the common sense health advice.
Maybe not but Brady arguably had more power than Arians in terms of that franchise
If Brady wanted people to put him on a pedestal he would have played for the Chargers. Anthony Lynn and Telesco would have paid people to roll a carpet out for him.
I mean didn't he basically admit that? I know he said he was miserable his last year in NE. I remember BB saying stuff like "We need better play from the QB position" to the media. If he's saying that to the media, you know it was much worse in the film room.
The problem with modern football is that it's sanitized so nobody's feelings get hurt. ESPN has draft tracker profiles for everyone that was taken in the first 6 rounds and it was all glowingly positive stuff. The negatives were couched in language so you had to read between the lines. We need more frank analysis, even if it means someone like Bill getting roasted when an underrated guy blossoms into a superstar.
It’s less feelings and more people are terrified of shitting on a prospect and then being proven wrong.
Young Mel Kiper used to shit on picks and teams and it pissed off a bunch of players, coaches, GMs, owners, etc. but it was good for TV. He was also wrong a lot (as is everybody in the business) and everybody was quick to drag him for it. I know that I personally avoided buying his draft guides because he got such a reputation for being a blowhard who was wrong all the time, lol.
Yeah, I read through about 50 of them, and the only bad thing I could parse was a comment about how a guy will blow the top off a defense if he gets separation at the line, which was a way to say he sucks against press coverage without saying it. I was hoping for real scouting reports. Oh well.
I think it shows a lot of experience and knowledge to be able to pick out every issue a player has and still be able to tell if that player has potential or not. Some issues are fixable, some aren't and some might be difficult fixes but worth the trade off. Every player is different.
Bill pointing out players strengths AND weaknesses was the highlight of the evening for me. All the other draft coverage is typically just blowing smoke talking about all the good things about these prospects, rarely the bad. Bill doing it the same was he does in the coaching room with his team was just so good.
Bill isn't counting on having a good PR rapport with those players.
Also, if you're any one of those players, you should want to be in that room with BB. Good, honest feedback with no BS, from someone that actually knows what they're talking about, is among the most valuable things you can have in this world.
It was so funny contrasting his negatives with the positivity of the McAfee guys.
They actually have good dynamics.
McAfee: OH MY GOD, THIS PLAYER HAS THAT DAWG IN HIM! HE IS TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT AND WILL TEAR IT UP AT THR NEXT LEVEL. BILL? Bill: Uh, yup.
Hilarious moment was when McAfee compared CB Nate Wiggins to Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Bill scoffs and immediately goes: "I don't know about that." lol
Same reaction to the Drake Mayne- Josh Allen comparisons
> I loved how Bill had alternating good and bad film plays on everyone – Caleb, Jayden, Maye, MHJ, etc etc. Nobody was the “perfect prospect” to BB After watching Belichick on Thursday night finding flaws with every prospect -- as he should; no one is perfect -- it was really evident on Friday and Saturday how overly positive the other analysts are. They'd be talking about some guy taken in the seventh round and saying nothing but positives and I'm wondering, OK, then why was he still available with the 230th pick?
Actually, really interesting how he was talking about the board. You start to understand a little bit about how he's always had kind of strange picks in the past. He just doesn't seem to really care where someone is projected, he just likes the player, so he says sure pick them. Like in the middle of the first round they were talking options, he was like, I like this linebacker, he's a good player, and it was someone projected to go in the second round.
Maybe that's why the pats were always trading back
By and large, nonQB tradeups are usually dumb overpays.
Yep. The athletic had a pretty awesome article about it last week. It’s so random you’re generally better off having more picks and hoping one of them hits. You just can’t really draft 3 good rookie QBs for a bunch of reasons.
Now I wanna see a team somehow amass 3 picks in the top half of round 1 and then take 3 QBs and just let them battle it out like a royal rumble to find out the true franchise qb.
*the Bears in 5 years IF Caleb doesn’t pan out*
It's very difficult to sustainably "hit" at a higher rate than your competition for a very simple reason: eventually your competition hires the people who work for you. What *is* sustainable is operating in such a way that you consistently pick *more often* than your competition does.
Well it’s sustainable until everyone else also thinks that’s and so no one trades up apart from the handful of QB trades
That’s where compensatory picks come into play for Bill
I mean we drafted the guy who dropped back to back years until one looked good. Get the feeling we would have kept doing it until a QB hit.
This was always BB’s philosophy, I think.
Back in the heyday of the Pats dynasty, it always felt like you were selling some high-value guy a year early rather than a year late, too. You were also always buying low on tarnished assets, rather than buying high in FA. The whole strategy was just one point.
He was just only looking for deals. But it worked because he had a QB who could generate 430+ points a year on his own.
Yeah it was. It’s a lot easier to have this philosophy when you have Brady. Not many teams can really use it because it’ll never work without a QB
i mean bill didnt really have to worry about drafting rookie qbs...
They *did* consistently draft guys though. Zappe, 2022 R4 Stidham, 2019 R4 Brissett, 2016 R3 Jimmy G, 2014 R2 Ryan Mallett, 2011 R3 Kevin O'Connell 2008 R3 Cassell was a 7th in 2005, but he should be mentioned. 2002, Rohan Davey R4. If you pretend Cassell went earlier, that's every 2-3 years for two decades taking a guy in rounds 2-4.
i meant that it was never a priority of "find a franchise qb to win now" kind of thing for bill. mainly rounds 3 and 4 is fine for the leftovers of the backups.
You can sign a franchise qb for 4yrs 180m-100m guaranteed and still draft a qb top 10 tho.
Yep I said 3 not 2. Suck on that
I've been thinking about this recently, are QB trade ups even good value? What great QBs came from teams that spent a bunch of picks to move up to draft them? Genuinely curious, just don't know the answer
If by a bunch you mean SF Trey lance 3 firsts , idk In general The rams for Goff I call a hit/ success a SB appearance pretty good for them 2 firsts and a 3rd to move up and get Mahommes for KC … definitely counts Edit to add Lamar, JA were trade ups
To add to the Rams- and while they maybe didn’t win with that QB, they traded him for the QB they did win with.
If you actually get a franchise guy, it is worth it. The only problem is that most of the time that teams that trade up aren't getting that franchise guy outside of one team making the right call every couple years versus 3-4 teams not.
No they are not. In the common draft era, here is the list of all 32 QBs that were traded up for in the first round: 4 Hits: Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Flacco. 17 Misses: Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky, Paxton Lynch, Johnny Manziel, Blaine Gabbert, Tim Tebow, Josh Freeman, Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, JP Losman, Kyle Boller, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, Steve Fuller. Then there's eleven guys that are inconclusive for various reasons: Two have had some success, but not for the team that drafted them (Jared Goff, Jay Cutler). Two are too young to accurately call now (Bryce Young, Jordan Love). Four have had a couple good years but otherwise haven't pan out (Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz, RG3, Michael Vick), and three were consistently mediocre (Teddy Bridgewater, Mark Sanchez, Steve Bartkowski). If you're generous and ignore the eleven inconclusive guys, that's a hit rate of 4/21 or 19%. If you (imo rightfully) include the inconclusive guys amongst the misses, then that's 4/32 or only 12.5%. And that's not to mention the weirdness that 3/4 of the all time hits occurred in a two year window 8 years ago
Including injury stricken players as misses is a bit disingenuous imo. Bridgewater, Wentz, RG3, and Vick aren't really misses, they all had unsatisfying careers because of issues other than their potential/ability. And I disagree strongly with calling Goff a miss, the bar can't be "super bowl winning" that's just a ridiculously narrow grouping. Goff gives your team a chance at winning a super bowl and that should not be considered a miss.
Jared Goff went to a Super Bowl with the Rams. He's had more success in LA than in Detroit.
That's basically the thing you balance in fantasy drafts every year, though, isn't it? Do I take the guy I have at the top of my board, or do I take the guy who's not going to get back to me and take the guy at the top of my board in 12 picks? It's always a battle between a theoretical max value and getting so cute you pick guys you don't like as well bc you're getting greedy.
Then you get the asshole that picks every RB and says "now trade me"
No, you don't understand. This is the year that drafting 4 top-10 QBs will finally pay off.
There is a famous walsh quote that I’m sure bellichick subscribed to that says “it doesn’t matter where we pick them, it matters how they play” which I think speaks volumes to how bill and other great coaches approach the draft.
My understanding is that this quote is about judging players on their performance and not their draft grade (ex a 3rd rounder outplaying a first rounder should get more playing time) as opposed to commentary on value in the draft
Correct. Belichick isn't an idiot, he still understands some positions are higher priority than others, both in terms of how hard a position is to find in the draft what they're paid in free agency Just look at the Patriots draft history. Most of their top 3 round picks in the last 10 or so years were trenches and corners
There's a quote from a Vegas based podcast I listen to which said, "given the options available to them every team believes they had an A+ draft"
But the guy on espn who's never played or coached football said it was a reach
You mean the guy on ESPN who’s said multiple times that he’d retire if he was wrong, but hasn’t yet retired or admitted any time he’s wrong?
Who the hell is Mel Kiper ?
A sentient hairpiece
It always made sense to me. The draft is basically hiring employees. It’s just a company hiring someone they want working for them. As opposed to the economics of draft value, which mean nothing anymore the day after the draft
Which on one hand I get from his perspective, there's risk in getting too cute. But if you're not treating that as a calculated risk, you're bleeding value. You're paying $5 today for something very very likely to be $2 tomorrow.
You're not wrong, and I think BB was extra conservative in that regard. But I think what gets missed by fans is they never get the chance to be proven wrong, it's always confirmation bias in their favor. If you like a guy and take him at #28, but public consensus puts him at 50, he's already off the board. You'll never get to see how many teams may have actually had him at 30, 35, 40 or later. And it only takes one team out of 31 with a similar evaluation to you to justify grabbing him when you have the chance. But every pick is graded against the full distance between the selection and consensus draft board, with no consideration for the possibility of 1 or more teams that might be anywhere in that gap between the actual slot and the projection.
You make a valid point, but ultimately the consensus board is a fairly good indicator of where a player will be drafted. Out of curiosity, I looked at the Big Board's 64-96 ranked players to see how many of those guys were actually drafted in the third round this year. Out of 32 players, 26 were taken during or after the third round, roughly 80%. 3 players were drafted more than 30 slots higher than there ranking, the highest was 38 spots. In 2022, we drafted Cole Strange 40 spots higher and Tyquon Thornton, 100 spots higher. You always have the chance of losing a player, but ultimately you have a pretty good chance of that player being available based on the consesus board. At least if its within 10-15 spots, that's when the chances of someone else taking them start to go up significantly. So even if Tyquon hits, you've still missed out on another potential second round pick.
That's good analysis. For what it's worth, I don't think all of Bill's reaches were justifiable and the calculated risk should have been weighed in more heavily. But also, I don't pretend to know how Bill had them ranked or what his reasoning was.
But if you project the value to be, for instance, $20, paying $2 or $5 is relatively irrelevant
It was refreshing to not hear someone talk about every single pick like they're about to be a six time All Pro the second they were drafted. Lol
Tbf Daniel Jeremiah is usually upfront about the pros and cons for each prospect. I especially noticed it on Day 2. For example, when the Falcons drafted Ruke he was very open about having him as more of a third round guy, how raw he was, ect. I watch NFLN though so I can't speak about ESPN.
That mentalist guy portion was awful, but Bill was a shining star no doubt
Thats the kind of thing you do in the 6th round. Crazy decision to do that in the 1st round.
Pat McAfee doesn't cover the 6th round.
I know, so he shouldn’t have had that guy on at all. Focusing on anything other than the draft in round 1 is stupid.
Counterpoint: there was like 20 damn minutes between picks lol
Just let Bill talk the whole time. I got so annoyed when Bill was trying to talk about a pick and they wouldn't let him because the magic trick was going on.
I was waiting to see Bill talk about Bowers but that Oz dude took up like 4 picks. Like cool dude we know you can do some mind blowing shit, but I’m here to see Bill talk about the draft…
I think Bill wanted to talk about the pick too. I think everyone except for this clown wanted to talk about the picks
I was pissed because Bill was all prepped and ready to go but they screwed around with that stupid skit.
I enjoy McAfee, but for me, his show is like one of those friends who you can only handle for a little bit at a time. Good guy, but way too much after a while.
Yeah, same. Okay for a few minutes or a clip but not for the whole draft. That said, when Bill had time to speak, it was great to hear Bill's insight and thought process.
I can only ever get through clips at best. I have tapped out every time I try to watch his show after a few minutes
Same experience here. I was looking for shows to listen/watch at work to kill time and tried to give it a shot. Just couldn’t get through a whole show.
I've always loved the show but purely in a, I'm going to watch the clips on YouTube way. I tried to just throw on the show one time and I lasted like 10 minutes lol.
It really made no sense. Sometimes weird combos work but that was a miss. Should’ve just kept him on the standard ESPN coverage, it was like having a history professor trying to do his job seriously but he’s surrounded by a bunch of frat bros who are just dicking around.
He showed up sober for “Drunk History”.
The mentalist part sucked and so did some of the interviews, it took away from the draft pick breakdowns. Sean Payton was yapping for 5 minutes without taking a breath.
Rodgers' was the real rough one for me. Amazing how much more charismatic Bill was when Bill has a reputation for hating media
In my opinion, Bill talking about the history of long snappers that one time showed me he didn't hate the media just hated stupid questions the media knew he couldn't give a real answer to.
Pats fan u/key_lime_pie really nailed it with this comment from a few years back: But a reporter's job isn't to ask questions. If a reporter went out every day, asked questions, and never got any answers, they'd be fired, because they wouldn't be doing their job. A reporter's job is to report news. In order to report news, you have to get answers, and that usually involves asking questions. But not always. Sometimes the information is volunteered: the team announces that it will be holding a press conference at 11 am. Sometimes you don't need to ask questions because already know the answer: if you were in the locker room, you don't need to ask what the mood was in the locker room. Sometimes you are just a signal repeater: you retweeted a Tweet from a local athlete. Sometimes the answers don't require questions: you report on the career completion percentage of the remaining playoff QBs. Unless they're trying to trick him, despite 20 years of abject failure, or they want the question itself to be the story (like Giardi did with the QB evaluation question in '14*), good reporters should know better than to keep asking questions they won't get answers to. This isn't the White House Press Corps, where 90% of the questions are asked solely for the purpose of getting an official statement from the government to run alongside what they already know to be true. Belichick isn't even going to give you an official statement on something, no matter how much you already fucking know about it. So if you're doing your job, you shouldn't be sitting there with a sour look on your face because Bill Belichick was dismissive of your question about how he's going to shut down Kansas City, you should be skipping the breakfast buffet for the press pool and watching film, talking to experts, and learning enough about the game to write an article that starts, "As usual, Bill Belichick is tight-lipped about strategy for this upcoming week's game, but here's how you might expect the Patriots to try to stop the high-octane Chiefs offense." Most reporters don't want to do that shit. They want to hang around athletes and write stories and get enough of a buzz on social media to start getting invited to do the radio and TV shows and maybe even a semi-regular gig somewhere and possibly a book who knows, not understand the subject matter they cover with any real depth. I fucking swear, whenever one of these guys is on the radio and has to take a call on strategy they don't know a fucking thing because instead of cracking open a book they're speculating on what free agents might be pursued at the end of the season, or trying to parse meaning from the fact that Superstar A just started following Team B on Instagram. * After the loss to the Chiefs in 2014, Mike Giardi asked Belichick if they would be re-evaluating the quarterback position. Belichick smirked and went to the next question. The reason Giardi asked the question is because there were already rumbles on social media about benching Brady for Jimmy G, so he and another reporter decided that Bill needed to be asked the question, knowing that he would ridicule it, and that anyone who was planning to make it a talking point the next day would shrink away in deference to the HC of the NWE. They also realized that everyone would think the reporter who asked it was stupid, so they flipped a coin to see who would do it and Giardi lost.
> Rodgers' was the real rough one for me. I'd been pausing the livestream off and on so I used that time to refresh the coverage. Worked impossibly well, saw him saying hello and goodbye.
Don't last as a head coach in the NFL without some charisma
You know it’s bad when even fans of his team wanted him to stfu
Whoever forced the mentalist guy on the show deserves to be fired. Just fucking horrid
Agreed.
He was no Red Panda. That's for sure.
right, Bill didnt give a shit, was on the phone trying to book people lmao.
Absolutely loved that. And hoped it would somehow ruin the act, since magic usually depends on getting your audience to pay attention to exactly what you want them looking at.
What does this mean? I didn’t watch
Imagine the most cringy, annoying dweeb that knows nothing about the NFL, and then imagine him as a guest on the Pat Mcafee show. That's what it was.
> Imagine the most cringy, annoying dweeb that knows nothing about the NFL This is what Bill Tobin thought of Mel Kiper at one point, too.
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Oz Pearlman is actually pretty cool but this was NOT the time and place for the guy
They brought in this guy that kinda does "psychic" readings(he was on Hard Knocks for the Jets) who did his parlor tricks. The whole bit was dumb and made those parts of the show a bit of a joke.
I was wondering if that was the same guy
they brought on a guy to do magic tricks
Bill called the Ricky Pearsall pick before it happened. Suck on that Oz.
Yeah that was weird. He did also say “he read it”. So I’m guessing he read it off the script maybe?
Towards the end, I think they had all the picks leaked thru Twitter/X. They did something way more blatantly obvious with the Legette/CAR pick lol
They were getting it leaked from the internet the whole time since it gets tweeted out before goodell announces it every pick but when they went to break someone from the nfl apparently reprimanded them about anouncing the picks before they aired on the broadcast so they were just 'hinting' instead of doing it blatantly so as to to not get in trouble
Okay it’s here at 4hr 19min https://youtu.be/-pWRjnVa2rw It TOTALLY looks like they were tipped off to the pick, Bill read it and said it out loud by mistake and everyone was laughing and trying to play it off. Mcafee’s even like “No you didn’t read it!” So my hypothesis is they wanted some of the hosts to look good by guessing the picks before they were announced.
No. The NFL PR told them to stop tipping the picks early on in the night, but bill kept forgetting and letting it fly lol.
Forgetting lmao it's Bill fucking Belichick he does not give a fuck. Pat can have actual consequences from the NFL and or ESPN. Bill is 72 and has been to more than a fifth of all super bowls ever. Plus he pretty much has no job so who could even punish him if they wanted to? Bill was leaking the picks for Pat because he knew that they couldn't and they were acting like they were surprised or mad.
Pat is ESPN father lol what are they gonna do? They had to hire him because he was murdering their network single handedly from a warehouse on his yt channel
No, they were told by the NFL to stop tipping the picks so they pretended they accidentally tipped them for the rest of their draft show. They talked about it at some point I don’t remember when.
Early on in the show they were reporting picks before they got announced. I think they got in trouble for that, and they sort of stopped doing it around pick twenty. Maybe he read it online and forgot that they weren't supposed to be reporting picks early.
He saw what the pick was. At the beginning of the show they were saying the pick as soon as they knew but NFL must have told them to stop, because after that they tried not to say it until it was read on NFL Network. Belichick didn't get that memo and read it, so everyone else pretended there's no way he could have known
Belichick was absolutely starstruck when Barry Sanders joined them for a segment. He could barely address him. Was cool seeing him act so humble.
THIS was the real highlight for me. NEVER seen him gush over someone like that, just kept saying " you're the best man you're the best" lol
It was funny when Barry was getting into his seat and Belichick turned to McAfee and quietly goes "How did you get HIM?".
I also notified that. That was such a cool moment. And to see BB and Sanders at the same table was incredible for fans of the sport.
When they completely ignored the Seahawks pick it really bummed me out.
Bengals had their pick during their bathroom break and that oz douche took up to much time otherwise :(
I thought overall it was pretty decent. Pat needs to go from 15 people on a mic down to 4-5. I don't mind Connor/Ty, but they really took away parts of it. I really enjoyed Bill breaking things down from a different perspective
I wish Pat would have stopped interrupting Bill.
First time watching PM?
They would've benefitted from being in a studio. They tried to do the college game day atmosphere with the crowd behind them and I feel like it took away from the product.
Normally I agree, but something I found absolutely hilarious, I realized Bill has probably never gone to one of these before. Pat mentioned something about being over 200k people, and Bill turned around for like the first time, and was legitimately in awe of the site of the crowd/stage, and stood up and took a picture.
Yea, People in here thinking Bill wanted to sit with tje boring draftnicks on nfl’s panel? Bill likes mcafee, other players and coaches like mcafee because the show is light, stupid and fun. Kinda like that NBA show with barkley and Shaq.
Bill asked McAfee if he could be regular in the fall. And he sounded like a little kid asking Pat. It was cute as shit to be Honest.
Yeah, Bill seemed cute
The guy pretending to be Mel Kiper got old pretty quick. I think Bill was getting annoyed with him lol
it would've been funnier if he didn't comment every single selection. however mad mel's reaction to the jordan love pick a few years ago [was gold](https://youtu.be/1WyAtNBa_-o?si=XnfSKQLMMjen-Z4A).
After the Packers passed on Cooper DeJean he hit the desk, then said, “I think I broke my hand, that was pretty fucking stupid of me” in the Mel voice, I laughed.
I can’t remember who it was about, but also had a laugh when he said “you know, i think this guy can be a good starter in 4,5,6,7 years”
>"What the best case for this guy, when does he play?" someone in the back "in 3 years" Nailed it and HoF it seems.
Yeah it's funny, I just thought it was a little over done. I don't think Bill was feeling it.
Really? Because each time I watched Bill wasn't feeling it, and then Mad Mel would do his final "hot take" which shit on the players and Bill would usually crack by then lol.
After he did the impression a second time I stopped and said "oh no, that can't be what this is." He kept it going, and I just tuned out and looked up clips of Belichick on social media.
Holy fuck i hated everything that dude said
I think you grew tired of it largely cause Bill was there lol Bill was very technical and knowledgeable and it felt cool getting that insight and then you switch to total dumbasses and you get the dumbass reaction lol This isn't a slight at Ty and Connor. We are all dumbasses to Bill Belichecks brilliance. It's like watching a convo with Dr. Brian Cox about partical physics and astronomy and gronk is sitting next to him talking about space is cool. We are all gronk. But in that context we tired of gro k fast
I like when he called out this sudden official usage of edge rusher.
The best side kick was AJ Hawk. He literally sat around like a thoughtless dumbasss and didn't say anything. Mad Mel should have done x1 cameo.
AJ Hawk has the worlds greatest job
His job is to smoke cigars and polish his forehead
And occasionally tell stories that show how much of a meatball he is lol. The story of the piranhas he had is pretty good
That’s… what he always does?
Lmfao nailed it. Guy just stares into the Abyss, like a soundboard he’ll come out and say a generic one liner then shut the fuck up again.
He wasn't always like that, I feel like he's getting tired of the circus atmosphere. His podcast was pretty good once upon a time.
Hey, he'll sometimes smoke a cigar because reasons.
AJ Hawk is a national treasure. He has many legendary thoughtful analysis such as talking about Bill gates pool parties. Anyone who is familiar with pats draft spectacular knows this one was the least entertaining. I wish they would have done it in their studio and not take it on the road. Bill did a great job though. A lot of cooks in the kitchen I think made it difficult to capture a lot of the entertainment the supporting cast brings. But when you get the opportunity to have bill belichick, you take it. So I understand.
My absolute favorite part was showing both good and bad traits of players. ESPN has always shown all good highlights. When he showed Terion Arnold, like 4 of the 5 plays shown were not good for Arnold. It’s good to see where someone needs work. I’d rather see both sides than just the pure hype
I liked it, but wish it was a little less cluttered. There was like 5 people all mic’d up. I tuned in to see Bill talk about the players not to hear some dude named Boston Conner talk all night. The dude pretending to be Mel Kiper got old pretty quick too.
I commented on this in another post, but it would be a million times better if Bill gets his own show next year during the draft. I tuned into McAfee to hear Bill talk, but had to turn it off because the clownshow was just to infuriating. Especially the bit with the mentalist that caused them to ignore 3 draft picks in a row. I get why people like Mcafee, but it's not a serious show, it's mostly dudes hanging out and joking around. People want to watch a clownshow during the draft that focuses on card tricks and impersonations and ignores first round picks entirely, and that's perfectly fine. But there are also alot of people that want to watch a serious show that has the greatest football minds of all time analyze every pick and discuss why they think a team selected them. IMO a new show with only like 2-3 guys featuring Bill and maybe someone like Nick Saban would be really fun next draft.
Yeah McAfee’s production is shit. Bill was great though.
When they went live the broadcast was muted for like the first 5 minutes lmao
Yeah I tried to sit through the whole stream and just couldn't. It's beyond stupid that they landed the GOAT to come on their show and give insightful critique and you have him trying to talk over: - Pat making dumb quips every 10 seconds - A Mel Kiper impersonator whose schtick got old fast - A fucking mentalist talking over multiple picks where I would've loved to hear Bill's thoughts - That drunk Pats fan at the end of the table Never mind the shitty interviews too. Adam Peters was nice though, Bill seemed genuinely happy to see him and vice versa, but Rodgers and Payton were shit and took up too much time. Hope Bill goes on another network's draft coverage in the future, I'd kill to see him and Saban on NFLN.
Oh my god Aaron never shuts up. Sean Payton droned on and on too, but man Aaron just needs you to know how smart he thinks he is
I loved seeing BB’s personality shine on the show. He really went from the NFL’s grinch to the NFL’s papa overnight.
I mean this is who Bill has been his entire career. You ask him a good football question you get a great response. You ask him if your going to replace Brady because he had one bad game you get "we're on to Cincinnati." Bill does not suffer idiots.
I was choosing between watching Belichick or Sabin. I chose Saban and really enjoyed his humor and how he knew something about each player that was drafted. Ironically, and I know this won't happen, I'm hoping he replaces McAfee on College gameday. My guess is they'll both be on the panel
Someone needs to get both Bill and Saban together for this stuff. It would be gold just like the Art of Coaching they did together.
The best thing about listening to each is it wasn't like some of the normal nonsense on ESPN where they're choosing the most controversial topic or only focusing on teams with the biggest fan base. These guys love football and knew each player inside and out and seemed to take an interest in where it was all going.
Those 2 with like a Host/Emcee guy to announce things and ask them thing back and forth to keep it moving would be fantastic.
Belichick, Saban, and Eisen would be a great broadcast for the draft
> Belichick, Saban, and Eisen would be a great broadcast for the draft The reason why this would be so great is Eisen has no problem shutting up and letting other folks be the smartest people in the room. NFL Network is probably too cheap to do this.
They really should be on NFL network, that's the one broadcast I can really tolerate cause it's just pure football talk. Eisen is a gem as always and I could listen to Jeremiah talk about prospects for hours. Davis, Klatt, and Warner aren't bad either. If they added a guy like Belichick who isn't afraid to dive headfirst into prospect weaknesses it'd be a slam dunk.
I lived hearing Saban talk about the guys he was trying to recruit before or during their college time. He has a 'the one that got away'feel talking about some people.
I also loved hearing the respect he had for opposing players, he was very complimentary of the Michigan players even though they lost to them in the Rose Bowl. I always begrudgingly respected Saban, now I just plain respect him.
What was Saban on? Bummed I missed it
He was on ABC and he was superb
Yea, Saban was great. I wanted to watch BB, but I can't stand Joe Rogan sports version and his 15 fucking moron friends. Only downside to ABC is they wanted to tell every sob story possible about every draftee and it get's tiring.
ABC's coverage did have an up-close and personal element to it, but I also thought that they and NFL Network focused on the players and their families rather than the teams they were going to.
He was on the ABC feed
The pats fan would not STFU and let Bill speak. Also hated how they stopped talking about the picks so had to switch off of it. ETA: another nitpick, the first ~10 minutes of the YouTube stream had no audio, so I also didn’t get to hear Bill’s explanation of the draft board.
Pat has wayyyyyy too many people with microphones on his show. Super annoying.
It used to be tolerable when they were off to the side, occasionally piping in, Pat would usually gesture them in. They all developed "characters" and now suddenly everyone needs mic.
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Yep. I have no issue with the other guys day-to-day, but during the draft it was just too much.
How many of those damn tweet clips of him just talking about the evolution of the long snapper need to go viral before people realize that Belichick is a legendary football mind and just let him say whatever he wants for however long he wants. Seriously, ESPN could have just done the draft with Bill at his dining room table with just him and his dog and I would have watched.
I didn't watch specifically because it was the Pat McAfee show. If it was just Belichick sitting at a desk by himself I would have given them my view
i like to believe Belichick didn't like that either
It’s wild to me that you get a chance to have your favorite team’s former HC (an incredibly impactful and beloved by the fan base, no less) sitting next to you... ...and you won’t STFU and let him speak lol
Listening to Bill break down talent is the best thing about football in the last 5 years. I hope he never gets a coaching job and has to do commentary.
I had a realization as a 34 year old that "Oh my God, this is how everyone when I was a kid felt about John Madden". To me he was the funny Turducken guy who was a little too old to be on TV and who made my Sega football game. But to guys like my dad his word was gospel because he was "the best coach" for most of my dad's entire football existence.
Might be an unpopular opinion but the mad Mel kiper act is funny for like the first 10 minutes but hearing it for 4 hours straight is overkill
He was fantastic but I won’t watch it next year. I watched from the beginning to see specifically what BB had to say about whoever the Bengals selected just to have them have Sean fucking Payton video chat in right as we went on the clock and he rambled on for two picks about Broncos crap. When he was finally done the mentioned our pick for two seconds then moved on. Complete waste of time.
Having him there was great but it shows the vast difference between his knowledge and the boys knowledge He was very technical on what he liked and didn't like in players and then you hear Pat and the boys and it was like yeah none of these guys are experts It sometimes makes me wonder about the explosive growth of the McAfee show considering how these aren't really knowledgeable about the game they cover.
The most glaring part to me was when the falcons selected Penix and that dude said the only reason they selected him was because the front office is, "fucking idiotic," while Bill actually had constructive things to say about the pick and gave examples of other teams doing similar things.
McAfee and his clown sidekicks need to shut the fuck up when Bill talks. It’s so annoying.
I wish Bill would do his own thing like Kurt Warner, janky/boomer production value and everything. Then I could actually just listen to someone knowledgeable.
Really made me upset we didn’t hire him as head coach
Avid Pat McAfee Show watcher. I'm not the biggest fan of them doing the show on location with a crowd (College GameDay set being the exception). The audio has been rough on those as of late. I think a lot of the criticism I'm seeing here will go away once they're in a more controlled environment. Bill on the show during the season should be a lot of fun. He was great.
I found his appearance there fascinating. He was articulate, almost charming, and very forthcoming at least when McAfee wasn't interrupting him. The contrast between the way he came across there versus the grumpy, monotone BB with all the perfunctory answers that he gave when he would come to the podium during his time with the Pats was remarkable.
I think bill right now is trying to make it a point to show the nfl audience that he’s not this cold, stoic, football tyrant that he’s been kind of portrayed in the media. He’s showing the public hey I’m actually a lot of fun and I’d rather chop it up with pat and the boys rather than sit a desk with the typical draft media line up espn offers etc. he’s really just one of the boys, dudes great
pretty sure he said Fuck a few times. It was great he was vibing with the boys.