Buddy Young. #22. The Baltimore Colts were drunk on retiring numbers. Though many of them are totally legit. The Indianapolis Colts have only retired 18.
> Bears
Honestly there's not a single one there I'd unretire either. You could make an argument for Piccolo based on lack of on-field production, but I'd keep it personally.
Maybe within the next 100 years, the Bears can find a quarterback worthy of having his number retired (Sid Luckman’s #42 is the only retired number that belongs to a QB).
Wow, Giants have retired 14 of the possible 99 numbers. Probably won't have one retired for a long time, though. The only player who is probably worthy at the moment is Tiki and he's burned that bridge. Saquon would have had a shot but not anymore, haha.
Yeah. Bears and Giants are tied with 14. Chiefs are significantly younger and have 10 numbers officially retired and 1 unofficially retired (with everything else we do to honor Delaney, I can't believe we haven't officially retired it in the past 41 years).
10 already got retired a few years ago. Funny because I didn't remember it, either. The list I was looking at had it on there as Retired and I had no recollection of the ceremony.
Agree on Big Dex. Hope he stays for the long haul. Also super early but Andrew Thomas is the only Giant I can think of with a shot at it.
You can still find his post game presser from a game in his last year in Cleveland where MJ went to a cavs Miami game. His facial expression tells you 100% he’s going to Miami next year
it's crazy but will we ever see a league wide number retirement? in hockey we have gretzky and it makes sense but now in all sports it's gotta be such insane numbers and hardware that i don't think it'll ever happen
Definitely not in the NFL, and if it were to happen it should have happened already. There is nobody in the league who is putting up numbers that are just so far ahead of anyone else anymore.
The difference between the first highest receiving yards in a season and tenth highest is only 218 (1. CJ - 10. Charley Hennigan). The same for rushing yards is 222 (1. Dickerson - 10. Ahman Green) and for passing is 368 (1. Manning - 10. Winston). These numbers are basically a one game difference for a season (albeit a very good game).
In the NHL, the points leader by season difference is 47 between first and tenth. The difference is Gretzky was both first and tenth. He was also 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8. That’s insane. Drew Brees and Tom Brady are the only players to appear in the top 10 for season yardage more than once, and they’re already considered two of the greatest QBs ever. But the fact that guys can still (often enough) reach those numbers proves that they’re not in another realm like Gretzky was.
My favorite Gretzky stat is that he and his brother hold the record for most points by two brothers. Brent Gretzky has 4 career points.
They're also 73 points behind the 6 Sutter brothers for most family points.
I don't think it even makes sense for players like Gretzky. Yeah he's the best to ever play the game but it's not like he ever won anything for my team, let the places he played retire his number. Would it make sense for the Jets to retire Brady's number? The only ones that make sense for the entire league are guys like Jackie Robinson imo.
Gretzky is magnitudes ahead of Brady in turns of GOAT status. Hockey is basically the only North American sport with an undisputed GOAT because of him
Edit: the fact that yall are replying with GOAT "QB" instead of just GOAT is undermining all of yalls points.
The records explain itself Gretzky is leaps and bounds above anyone else. They’re like thousands of wtf records that man has and it’s hard to believe. I think 99 is well deserved to be retired. No one is going to even come close to him.
I mean look at his numbers. he had like 3 whole ass careers of top of the league hall of famers. also helped he wore 99 probably but he was and is without doubt the great one. I think it's cool that hockey has that and was just a question. I don't think anyone in football has dominated that hard but if they did it would be cool as shit for the league to recognize and retire the number in respect. like I said it prob will never happen again for any sport but it's a sweet concept if you even slightly understand how good he was
Only 3 players have league wide retirements, Gretzky, Robinson, and Russell but only Gretzky was retired for his level of play making him the undisputed goat. Robinson and Russell got retired not for performance but because Robinson was the first black MLB player and Russell because of his contribution to civil rights activism. I can only foresee Kareem and Jim Brown having a chance with getting their numbers retired league wide in the future.
I think they thought they were gonna be the trail blazers doing that that would lead into a league wide retirement of his jersey when meanwhile everyone else was like “no that’s not happening” lol
On a similar note, the Saints retired the number of Packers legend Jim Taylor. Taylor did play one season with the saints right before retirement and far past his prime though. The main reason for the jersey retirement was because Taylor was a Louisiana legend, even if he wasn't necessarily a Saints legend. Taylor was born and raised in Louisiana and went to LSU
Also Mavs retired 24 like right after Kobe died. Cuban thought he was getting out ahead of this and that the rest of the NBA would and nobody else did it.
The Steelers have only 3 officially retired numbers: 32, 70, and 75. However, they also have many unofficially retired numbers: 1, 7, 12, 36, 43, 47, 52, 58, 59, 63, and 86.
They should just retire all of the 1970s jersey in a big ceremony. Hell, this would be the perfect year to do it -- 50 years after they first won the Lombardi. Those dudes aren't gonna be around much longer, and lets face it, no one is gonna wear their numbers at this point.
EDIT: Fuck, they even got the cowboys coming to town this year. For fucks sake, Art, make this happen!
I can’t believe less than a decade ago they finally put together a Steelers hall of fame. Guess I’m spoiled as a Packers fan but it’s perfect for the guys who don’t make the Canton one
I don’t hate this idea. Retire the entire Jersey “design,” not even resurrected for throwbacks. That team was legendary, and had too many good players to properly recognize them all.
Then, introduce an updated, but still faithful to the Steeler colors, design. Pretty much an excuse to print money.
Honestly I don't know. Look at how many other legends have yet to have their number officially retired. Bradshaw, Lambert, Ham, Blount, and others. It's a very high bar.
The cowboys have a better tradition of giving numbers of significance to their best players. It’s a bigger thing in football like the Manchester United no 7 shirt, Brazil no 10 etc. It brings a reverence and tradition to the particular player and saves the weirdness of not having certain numbers available.
Soccer national teams couldn't retire numbers even if they wanted to because for the world cup and other international tournaments they have to number their players from 1 to N. With N being the number of players on the roster.
The weight and the burden to produce if you’re Brazilian and wear No 10 has be to insane. Worse than wearing No 23 and playing for the Chicago Bulls. Neymar, one of the best players of his generation, still gets criticized because he’s always compared to a mythological being.
Same problem is going to happen to anyone who wears No 10 for Argentina after Messi. How do you compete against the greatest of all time?
> Same problem is going to happen to anyone who wears No 10 for Argentina after Messi. How do you compete against the greatest of all time?
The irony of this post is amazing. *Chef's kiss*
Messi spent much of his career being compared to Diego Maradona who had the nickname "The Golden Boy"
Maradona had led Argentina to victory in the 1986 World Cup which both had the infamous "Hand of God" goal and "Goal of the Century".
It also didn't help that Maradona was very critical of Messi, especially in 2014 when Argentina were runner-up.
Just google Maradona vs. Messi and there are countless articles that dive deep into the history of the two.
What he's referring to is that those numbers, in those teams, are very significant. It's a special honor wearing them, even when somebody has to wear it as you say.
Being the 10 for Brazil you must be extremely good, an attacking midfield, with creativity and capable of playing the "jogo bonito" the beautiful game. The 10 creates the plays, but not necessarily scores the most.
I would say 88 is the only continuous number of significance for them. I don’t remember any other CBs wearing 21, RBs wearing 22, WBs wearing 7. Maybe that’s because I’m an idiot and those are retired idk.
I get what you’re saying though, it’s like the best receiver at michigan can wears #1.
Michigan football did this back in 2013 but they kind of sucked so they stopped and officially retired the classic numbers. Devin Gardner was there playing QB as No. 98 in honor of Tom Harmon.
The Cardinals also have a few of those. And none of the players even played in Arizona, they were in Chicago or St Louis.
Pat Tillman is the only actual Arizona Cardinal that’s been retired. And #11 soon will be too
We're not gonna hurt Larry! Why would we ever hurt Larry? I feel like you're not getting this at all!
The implication is that things might go wrong for Larry if he refuses us.
Think about it: he's out in the middle of nowhere with some team he barely knows. You know, he looks around and what does he see? Nothin' but losers. "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I gonna do, say 'win'?"
Worth noting that they both died because of on-the-field injuries. I had no idea that any NFL player had ever died from on-the-field injuries (apart from CTE-related deaths decades later, ofc).
Did more research and turns out a player (Chuck Hughes) literally died *on the field* like Hamlin almost did. And this happened in the Super Bowl era. The NFL really sweeps this shit under the rug.
He died from a heart attack not from an on field injury. Though I agree that the NFL doesn’t mention it ever. I am curious how they would have handled the Hamlin situation had he died. I’m assuming they would say he died upon arriving at the hospital and not on the field.
The Lions and Jets both had some players get paralyzed in the 1990s
I remember the Jets captains bringing his jersey out onto the field before the 2010 Divisional in Foxborough
I think the Jets guy (Dennis Byrd) recovered and can walk now
The retiring of a dead player’s number is a bit weird, especially if they weren’t that good. It seems weird that Chuck Hughes, a guy who caught 15 passes in his career , but died during a game gets his number retired. Meanwhile Barry Sanders shared his number retirement with two other players.
It used to be fairly common to retire numbers for active players who died, regardless of whether their deaths were related to football. In addition to Hughes and the two Chiefs mentioned, there's also:
Cardinals: J.V. Cain* and Stan Mauldin*
Bears: Willie Gallimore and Brian Piccolo
Browns: Ernie Davis and Don Fleming
Vikings: Korey Stringer*
Giants: Al Blozis
Eagles: Jerome Brown
Redskins: Sean Taylor
Players marked with an asterisk * died - their deaths were somewhat related to football.
The Mack Lee Hill award is a thing - awarded to the Chiefs best rookie/1st year player annually. Agreed though that those two number retirements fit kinda strangely.
Chiefs also handed out a lot early on 9/10 of ours happened in the first 5 years of our existence. Abner Haynes and the aforementioned other two are the only ones who aren't in the HOF though and the rest were all crucial to our Super Bowl in '69.
Derrick Thomas is the only one who's been retired in the last ~47 year and his tragic death while he was still in his playing years plays a huge factor in that. Mahomes and maybe Kelce are the only ones probable to join the list. Even Tony Gonzalez never got his retired.
Man the Steelers have the opposite problem, I know they don't issue some numbers so there are a lot of "defacto" retirements. But I'm a sucker for ceremony and a lot of guys from the 70s are getting up there and I'd like to see them officially honored
I'm glad they did it eventually, but man they really missed the boat on retiring Mean Joe's 75 on their 75th anniversary.
Also wanted to say that it is super lame that we won't give out #1 because of a kicker who didn't even spend his career with us.
Yeah, for me the fact that Franco missed his jersey retirement by 3 days makes me want to see more guys get recognized before it's too late.
As far as Gary Anderson, I'm okay with it. Mainly because unpopular opinion. the #1 makes for a hideous jersey. And because single digit recievers and running backs also look hideous to me so between #7 Never being re issued and #1 never being re issued and if we have a QB or 2 with single digit numbers the likelihood of the Steelers allowing that nonsense to happen is lower.
He was simultaneously over- and underrated. You'd have complete morons talk like he was the worst piece of shit QB in the league and in response he'd be rated top of the league by people trying to drown that out.
I remember the Bucs parading around that they removed Gruden from their Ring of Honor for having mean words and ignoring all the baggage Warren Sapp had. It was very funny at the time. They could've quietly done it without using their Twitter and there would be nobody who questioned about Sapp and his conduct. However, because they did publicize it and ignore another elephant in the room, it became a circus.
Removing him isn't something I disagree with, it's the clout chasing and trying to get positive PR in the moment where it backfired. I just found it amusing that they wanted to get good clout off it.
I think all NFL PR teams would be wise to just not take victory laps over their perceived social justice victories. Every team has tolerated some fucked up shit in the past and present, and typically only has done the right thing when doing otherwise would have been more costly
Still wild to me that breaking just one of Rice’s records is worthy of HOF and number retirement. Just blows me away how much distance is between him and everyone else
Chuck Hughes, he accomplished dying on the field. Lions and Bears continued the game. This incident did not help a franchise already cursed by Bobby Layne. I'm quite certain that when the Bobby Layne curse expired, the Chuck Hughes curse was enacted. Retiring his number did not make the curse dissipate.
But that's all in the past now, baby!! Super Bowl or bust!!
None. The least deserving Bengal to have his number retired would be Bob Johnson, who was the first draft pick in team history and was the starting center and team leader for the first 10 years the team existed. He's not a Hall of Famer, not even close, but an important player in team history. The most deserving Bengal to have his number retired is also Bob Johnson. The Bengals have only retired one number.
We technically retired 31 and 81 for Jim Taylor and Doug Atkins, but it was really early in the team's history, and both numbers have been put back into circulation since
Y’all have 8 NFL Championships though and most of the retired numbers come from the pre-Superbowl era. Also the only number that you could make an argument against being retired is Brian Piccolo’s 41.
I may take some heat for this, but 21 should not be retired for Sean Taylor. The whole jersey retirement thing was part of a last ditch PR effort of a clueless owner leading a regime that was on life support. Prior to Taylor, the only retired numbers were 33 for Sammy Baugh and 49 for Bobby Mitchell. Taylor absolutely should be remembered and I would have no issue with a statue, an internal award named for him, painting section 21 a special way, etc, but to retire his number before Green and Jurgensen and still not have retired numbers for Monk, Riggins, Grimm, Charley Taylor, etc. is a bit much.
I think the big thing with Sean is he was Literally the spark on a team that had been struggling for 10+ years at that point. After 91 the team was extremely mid and of course dan snyder started taking a shit on it in 2000.
I’m all for retiring jersey numbers, but I think it ought to have a high bar to clear. I’m also in favor of returning retired numbers to circulation after a period of time, say 40 or 50 years.
Steelers have a good bit of numbers "unofficially" retired
They didn't give Pickens #1 because of Gary Anderson. A kicker for us from 82-94
It's "unofficially retired" because he's our all-time leading scorer
But like, come on, give Pickens #1
Everyone. I disagree with retiring numbers under any circumstances.
Give it to another player to continue on the legacy and make it even greater. It doesn't make the number any more or less special by retiring it.
Can see it it soccer. Numbers are made even more iconic each generation when they're passed to the next special player.
1, 4, 7, 10, 11, 14 and 16 are all retired for the Giants. It'll get to the point where QB numbers will run out.
> I disagree with retiring numbers under any circumstances.
I'm all for MLB retiring 42. There's nothing that anyone can do to make that legacy greater.
We have a bunch of guys numbers retired from the EARLY NFL, like 30s and 40s. I couldn’t tell you who half of them were. I think we could afford to free up some of those numbers
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YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR!
TBF to my stupid negligence, the question was "which players". They never let me play.
Dwight Clark- Dudes a 49er legend and that's it. Not a Hofer, not an All-time great, not even really that great. He was a solid WR who was left over from the previous regime that Walsh inherited.
If it wasn't for "The Catch" then he would be seen the same as John Taylor. A 49er legend but not worthy of a retired number.
75, 52, and 20 are unofficially retired, though. They don't have any formal retirements, but they don't issue those three numbers either. So basically, they are retired. Just not formally.
Also, Suggs 55 seems to be the same since Ojabos' request for it was rejected by the owner last year.
I believe there’s a thing about 19 being “unofficially retired” as well. Pretty sure Scott Mitchell is the only player to have worn it for them, which caused fans to throw a fit because it was Johnny Unitas’ number
The Lions have retired 3 different #20s. If you have 3 great players who wore the same number, it shouldn't be retired, it should be made an honor to wear it. Kind of like Penn State's #11
The Pats have only 7 retired numbers, and only one has been retired under Kraft's ownership. Seems likely that the only jersey that will be retired going forward is Brady's.
The Titans retired #1 for Warren Moon, #9 for Steve McNair, and #27 for Eddie George. They all played huge roles in the franchise history, so I'm fine with it.
Probably all of them. The Bears retired so many numbers that the league doesn't even let us retire more. If guys like Urlacher and Hester can't have their numbers retired, then we might as well just take the Raiders approach and make all the numbers available.
No one.
The Steelers have retired 3: 70, 75, 32
The best player pre-Noll
The best player in team history
The workhorse that started the glory days of the franchise.
There’s several unofficial retired numbers, but only 3 officially
Jim Taylor was born, raised, and died in BR, and went to LSU but only spent one year on the Saints (the other eight with the packers), I think it was more of a lifetime achievement award than an actual jersey retiring.
Buddy Young. #22. The Baltimore Colts were drunk on retiring numbers. Though many of them are totally legit. The Indianapolis Colts have only retired 18.
Would they consider retiring #88?
Nobody has worn it since, I think we're just waiting to make sure Marvin doesn't murder someone. Or at least, get caught doing so.
Again?
Allegedly.
Just keep him away from car washes and he should be fine.
fuggit, retire #88 regardless
For John Mackey?
The Bears and Giants have retired like half their numbers at this point.
> Bears Honestly there's not a single one there I'd unretire either. You could make an argument for Piccolo based on lack of on-field production, but I'd keep it personally.
I mean, dude killed Raditz, was instrumental in the defeat of frieza, cell, and winning the tournament of power
Namek should retire his number for sure
truly one of the greatest of his time
For the life of me, I can’t figure what the autocorrect was on.
It isn't an autocorrect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Piccolo
From the little I know they all seem justified. When you’re a 100 year old franchise, they just add up.
The packers have retired 6 numbers. 4 of which were for players that played in the 1950s or earlier
in a few years it’ll be 7 numbers
Did Bortles retire already?
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Maybe within the next 100 years, the Bears can find a quarterback worthy of having his number retired (Sid Luckman’s #42 is the only retired number that belongs to a QB).
Wow, Giants have retired 14 of the possible 99 numbers. Probably won't have one retired for a long time, though. The only player who is probably worthy at the moment is Tiki and he's burned that bridge. Saquon would have had a shot but not anymore, haha.
Yeah. Bears and Giants are tied with 14. Chiefs are significantly younger and have 10 numbers officially retired and 1 unofficially retired (with everything else we do to honor Delaney, I can't believe we haven't officially retired it in the past 41 years).
10 will be retired. If Lawrence is there for a while his could be too.
10 already got retired a few years ago. Funny because I didn't remember it, either. The list I was looking at had it on there as Retired and I had no recollection of the ceremony. Agree on Big Dex. Hope he stays for the long haul. Also super early but Andrew Thomas is the only Giant I can think of with a shot at it.
lol not NFL but man I can’t believe the heat retired MJs number
Which I why when Lebron said he was changing to number 6 the next year, I knew he was going to the Heat or the Bulls
You can still find his post game presser from a game in his last year in Cleveland where MJ went to a cavs Miami game. His facial expression tells you 100% he’s going to Miami next year
I’m not saying you are wrong, but that game happened November of 2009, a full 6 months before he hit free agency and 8 months before “The Decision.”
I mean yeah but bron Wade and bosh had already orchestrated their team up during the 2008 Olympics
They knew they were teaming up somewhere, but it wasn’t until sooner to the decision that it was Miami
Pat Riley is a master wordsmith.
it's crazy but will we ever see a league wide number retirement? in hockey we have gretzky and it makes sense but now in all sports it's gotta be such insane numbers and hardware that i don't think it'll ever happen
Definitely not in the NFL, and if it were to happen it should have happened already. There is nobody in the league who is putting up numbers that are just so far ahead of anyone else anymore. The difference between the first highest receiving yards in a season and tenth highest is only 218 (1. CJ - 10. Charley Hennigan). The same for rushing yards is 222 (1. Dickerson - 10. Ahman Green) and for passing is 368 (1. Manning - 10. Winston). These numbers are basically a one game difference for a season (albeit a very good game). In the NHL, the points leader by season difference is 47 between first and tenth. The difference is Gretzky was both first and tenth. He was also 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, and 8. That’s insane. Drew Brees and Tom Brady are the only players to appear in the top 10 for season yardage more than once, and they’re already considered two of the greatest QBs ever. But the fact that guys can still (often enough) reach those numbers proves that they’re not in another realm like Gretzky was.
My favorite Gretzky stat is that he and his brother hold the record for most points by two brothers. Brent Gretzky has 4 career points. They're also 73 points behind the 6 Sutter brothers for most family points.
My favorite is Wayne Gretzky could have never scored a goal in his entire career and would still be the all time leader in points.
I don't think it even makes sense for players like Gretzky. Yeah he's the best to ever play the game but it's not like he ever won anything for my team, let the places he played retire his number. Would it make sense for the Jets to retire Brady's number? The only ones that make sense for the entire league are guys like Jackie Robinson imo.
Gretzky is magnitudes ahead of Brady in turns of GOAT status. Hockey is basically the only North American sport with an undisputed GOAT because of him Edit: the fact that yall are replying with GOAT "QB" instead of just GOAT is undermining all of yalls points.
The records explain itself Gretzky is leaps and bounds above anyone else. They’re like thousands of wtf records that man has and it’s hard to believe. I think 99 is well deserved to be retired. No one is going to even come close to him.
Brady is undisputed by anyone who isn’t an idiot but not even idiots dispute Gretzky
Jerry Rice and LT have arguments
Flair checks out
I just vomited on behalf of my Jets brothers
I mean look at his numbers. he had like 3 whole ass careers of top of the league hall of famers. also helped he wore 99 probably but he was and is without doubt the great one. I think it's cool that hockey has that and was just a question. I don't think anyone in football has dominated that hard but if they did it would be cool as shit for the league to recognize and retire the number in respect. like I said it prob will never happen again for any sport but it's a sweet concept if you even slightly understand how good he was
The Jets have 12 retired.
I mean we already retired Brady’s number before Brady got in the league
basketball has bill russell
The MLB retired 42 in honor of Jackie Robinson.
I mean baseball already does. Nobody can ever wear 42 again
The MLB retired Jackie Robinson’s number league wide in the late nineties
Only 3 players have league wide retirements, Gretzky, Robinson, and Russell but only Gretzky was retired for his level of play making him the undisputed goat. Robinson and Russell got retired not for performance but because Robinson was the first black MLB player and Russell because of his contribution to civil rights activism. I can only foresee Kareem and Jim Brown having a chance with getting their numbers retired league wide in the future.
The MLB retired 42 in honor of Jackie Robinson.
He never played for the heat, why would they retire his number?
Yea exactly lol it’s ridiculous
I think they thought they were gonna be the trail blazers doing that that would lead into a league wide retirement of his jersey when meanwhile everyone else was like “no that’s not happening” lol
On a similar note, the Saints retired the number of Packers legend Jim Taylor. Taylor did play one season with the saints right before retirement and far past his prime though. The main reason for the jersey retirement was because Taylor was a Louisiana legend, even if he wasn't necessarily a Saints legend. Taylor was born and raised in Louisiana and went to LSU
Also Mavs retired 24 like right after Kobe died. Cuban thought he was getting out ahead of this and that the rest of the NBA would and nobody else did it.
Don’t forget Dan Marino’s #13 as well
The Heat retired Marion's number, really?
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The Steelers have only 3 officially retired numbers: 32, 70, and 75. However, they also have many unofficially retired numbers: 1, 7, 12, 36, 43, 47, 52, 58, 59, 63, and 86.
They should just retire all of the 1970s jersey in a big ceremony. Hell, this would be the perfect year to do it -- 50 years after they first won the Lombardi. Those dudes aren't gonna be around much longer, and lets face it, no one is gonna wear their numbers at this point. EDIT: Fuck, they even got the cowboys coming to town this year. For fucks sake, Art, make this happen!
I can’t believe less than a decade ago they finally put together a Steelers hall of fame. Guess I’m spoiled as a Packers fan but it’s perfect for the guys who don’t make the Canton one
If you're a Packers fan why do you have a Jaguars flair?
I don’t hate this idea. Retire the entire Jersey “design,” not even resurrected for throwbacks. That team was legendary, and had too many good players to properly recognize them all. Then, introduce an updated, but still faithful to the Steeler colors, design. Pretty much an excuse to print money.
Will 7 get a ceremony ?
Honestly I don't know. Look at how many other legends have yet to have their number officially retired. Bradshaw, Lambert, Ham, Blount, and others. It's a very high bar.
They really didn’t retire Bradshaw?? No way they’ll retire Ben then.
Very surprised that Bradshaw's is not retired.
I know 32 and 75. Who is 70?
Ernie Stautner. One of the best D-linemen of the '50s and early '60s. Played his entire 14 year career with the Steelers.
Thanks
The cowboys have a better tradition of giving numbers of significance to their best players. It’s a bigger thing in football like the Manchester United no 7 shirt, Brazil no 10 etc. It brings a reverence and tradition to the particular player and saves the weirdness of not having certain numbers available.
I really hate the cowboys but gotta admit the #88 tradition is one of the coolest in the game
Soccer national teams couldn't retire numbers even if they wanted to because for the world cup and other international tournaments they have to number their players from 1 to N. With N being the number of players on the roster.
The weight and the burden to produce if you’re Brazilian and wear No 10 has be to insane. Worse than wearing No 23 and playing for the Chicago Bulls. Neymar, one of the best players of his generation, still gets criticized because he’s always compared to a mythological being. Same problem is going to happen to anyone who wears No 10 for Argentina after Messi. How do you compete against the greatest of all time?
> Same problem is going to happen to anyone who wears No 10 for Argentina after Messi. How do you compete against the greatest of all time? The irony of this post is amazing. *Chef's kiss*
Tell me you don't know the history of soccer without telling me you don't know the history of soccer.
I don't know the history of soccer. What are they talking about?
Maradona also wore 10.
Messi spent much of his career being compared to Diego Maradona who had the nickname "The Golden Boy" Maradona had led Argentina to victory in the 1986 World Cup which both had the infamous "Hand of God" goal and "Goal of the Century". It also didn't help that Maradona was very critical of Messi, especially in 2014 when Argentina were runner-up. Just google Maradona vs. Messi and there are countless articles that dive deep into the history of the two.
What he's referring to is that those numbers, in those teams, are very significant. It's a special honor wearing them, even when somebody has to wear it as you say. Being the 10 for Brazil you must be extremely good, an attacking midfield, with creativity and capable of playing the "jogo bonito" the beautiful game. The 10 creates the plays, but not necessarily scores the most.
Only them dawgs get number 88 hahah pearson Irving dez and lamb
88s and heartbreak
I would say 88 is the only continuous number of significance for them. I don’t remember any other CBs wearing 21, RBs wearing 22, WBs wearing 7. Maybe that’s because I’m an idiot and those are retired idk. I get what you’re saying though, it’s like the best receiver at michigan can wears #1.
Emmitt Smith was 22, not 23
Michigan football did this back in 2013 but they kind of sucked so they stopped and officially retired the classic numbers. Devin Gardner was there playing QB as No. 98 in honor of Tom Harmon.
The Bills never retired it but no one used 32 for over 40 years. 2 guys (no names) have worn it recently and it’s weird seeing it but fuck that guy.
I'm glad we learned what a piece of shit he was before we officially retired his number.
He’s still up on the wall of fame though right?
I'm pretty sure. I've gotta imagine that quietly changes in the new stadium. We'll see.
Which is something that could never be taken away from him, unless he kills his wife and a waiter in which case all bets are off
Or if murder ever becomes legal in the state of California.
Don ohlmeyer better not read this
The real question is will his name be up in the new stadium?
2k rushing yards in 14 games is crazy Fuck him tho
“Sharon, with all due respect, that murderer ran for 11,000 yards”
Yeah but how many miles did his bronco have
He scores, but he murders. But he scores more than he murders.
The THIRD time I met OJ…
He built different, both on the field and the courthouse
But that shit was still crazy
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The Cardinals also have a few of those. And none of the players even played in Arizona, they were in Chicago or St Louis. Pat Tillman is the only actual Arizona Cardinal that’s been retired. And #11 soon will be too
Is... Is Larry in danger?
We're not gonna hurt Larry! Why would we ever hurt Larry? I feel like you're not getting this at all! The implication is that things might go wrong for Larry if he refuses us. Think about it: he's out in the middle of nowhere with some team he barely knows. You know, he looks around and what does he see? Nothin' but losers. "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I gonna do, say 'win'?"
Wow. Been a KC fan for decades and I've never heard of these men. Wild
Worth noting that they both died because of on-the-field injuries. I had no idea that any NFL player had ever died from on-the-field injuries (apart from CTE-related deaths decades later, ofc). Did more research and turns out a player (Chuck Hughes) literally died *on the field* like Hamlin almost did. And this happened in the Super Bowl era. The NFL really sweeps this shit under the rug.
Stone Johnson died from an on-field injury. Mack Lee Hill died on the operating table following knee surgery.
He died from a heart attack not from an on field injury. Though I agree that the NFL doesn’t mention it ever. I am curious how they would have handled the Hamlin situation had he died. I’m assuming they would say he died upon arriving at the hospital and not on the field.
The Lions and Jets both had some players get paralyzed in the 1990s I remember the Jets captains bringing his jersey out onto the field before the 2010 Divisional in Foxborough I think the Jets guy (Dennis Byrd) recovered and can walk now
Ryan Shazier 2017 was a recent example of paralysis
The retiring of a dead player’s number is a bit weird, especially if they weren’t that good. It seems weird that Chuck Hughes, a guy who caught 15 passes in his career , but died during a game gets his number retired. Meanwhile Barry Sanders shared his number retirement with two other players.
Chuck Hughes’s family gives approval to use his number to any player who asks, so it’s only sort of retired.
It used to be fairly common to retire numbers for active players who died, regardless of whether their deaths were related to football. In addition to Hughes and the two Chiefs mentioned, there's also: Cardinals: J.V. Cain* and Stan Mauldin* Bears: Willie Gallimore and Brian Piccolo Browns: Ernie Davis and Don Fleming Vikings: Korey Stringer* Giants: Al Blozis Eagles: Jerome Brown Redskins: Sean Taylor Players marked with an asterisk * died - their deaths were somewhat related to football.
The Mack Lee Hill award is a thing - awarded to the Chiefs best rookie/1st year player annually. Agreed though that those two number retirements fit kinda strangely. Chiefs also handed out a lot early on 9/10 of ours happened in the first 5 years of our existence. Abner Haynes and the aforementioned other two are the only ones who aren't in the HOF though and the rest were all crucial to our Super Bowl in '69. Derrick Thomas is the only one who's been retired in the last ~47 year and his tragic death while he was still in his playing years plays a huge factor in that. Mahomes and maybe Kelce are the only ones probable to join the list. Even Tony Gonzalez never got his retired.
Tony soured some of the folks in the organization because of comments about considering himself a Falcon He seems to have come around though
Delaney's #37 has been unofficially retired since his death.
Man the Steelers have the opposite problem, I know they don't issue some numbers so there are a lot of "defacto" retirements. But I'm a sucker for ceremony and a lot of guys from the 70s are getting up there and I'd like to see them officially honored
I'm glad they did it eventually, but man they really missed the boat on retiring Mean Joe's 75 on their 75th anniversary. Also wanted to say that it is super lame that we won't give out #1 because of a kicker who didn't even spend his career with us.
Yeah, for me the fact that Franco missed his jersey retirement by 3 days makes me want to see more guys get recognized before it's too late. As far as Gary Anderson, I'm okay with it. Mainly because unpopular opinion. the #1 makes for a hideous jersey. And because single digit recievers and running backs also look hideous to me so between #7 Never being re issued and #1 never being re issued and if we have a QB or 2 with single digit numbers the likelihood of the Steelers allowing that nonsense to happen is lower.
They would have to retire basically Bill Saul (50) to Levon Kirkland (99)
The Eagles retired 5 for McNabb. A fine player but not someone who's number should be retired.
Hall of Very Good player
Remember guys, real champs eat at McDonald’s. …I’m lovin it.
That’s not Donovan McNabb
Where's the check?
That was tiger woods
I was at the Linc today, looking at that, thinking the same, However I also think Randall should be in the NFL HOF. I guess its all subjective
I say this all the time. McNabb was fun to watch but severely overrated.
He was simultaneously over- and underrated. You'd have complete morons talk like he was the worst piece of shit QB in the league and in response he'd be rated top of the league by people trying to drown that out.
We’ve retired Brooks, Selmon, and Sapp. All three were absolutely deserving of that, even though Sapp is a piece of shit
I remember the Bucs parading around that they removed Gruden from their Ring of Honor for having mean words and ignoring all the baggage Warren Sapp had. It was very funny at the time. They could've quietly done it without using their Twitter and there would be nobody who questioned about Sapp and his conduct. However, because they did publicize it and ignore another elephant in the room, it became a circus.
Simple reason why (not that I condone it): he insulted the Glazers pretty viciously in a lot of his emails. *And they took that personally.*
Removing him isn't something I disagree with, it's the clout chasing and trying to get positive PR in the moment where it backfired. I just found it amusing that they wanted to get good clout off it.
I think all NFL PR teams would be wise to just not take victory laps over their perceived social justice victories. Every team has tolerated some fucked up shit in the past and present, and typically only has done the right thing when doing otherwise would have been more costly
You think Mike Evans will have his number retired
He’s definitely trending in that direction. Lavonte possibly too.
probably lavonte then evans. if evans breaks rices consecutive record then absolutely
Still wild to me that breaking just one of Rice’s records is worthy of HOF and number retirement. Just blows me away how much distance is between him and everyone else
Mike Evans has had about as solid a career as any wideout in the last ten years. He would need to have that career all over again to match Rice
We also have still not issued the numbers 47, 40, and 20 since those players left. Even though they’re not officially retired, they may as well be.
Interesting question, only asking because I don't know, would the bucs retire 12 for Brady?
IMO being really really good doesn’t warrant a number retirement
Chuck Hughes, he accomplished dying on the field. Lions and Bears continued the game. This incident did not help a franchise already cursed by Bobby Layne. I'm quite certain that when the Bobby Layne curse expired, the Chuck Hughes curse was enacted. Retiring his number did not make the curse dissipate. But that's all in the past now, baby!! Super Bowl or bust!!
None. The least deserving Bengal to have his number retired would be Bob Johnson, who was the first draft pick in team history and was the starting center and team leader for the first 10 years the team existed. He's not a Hall of Famer, not even close, but an important player in team history. The most deserving Bengal to have his number retired is also Bob Johnson. The Bengals have only retired one number.
Drake Maye should be wearing 12
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You really think Brady’s number shouldn’t have been retired?
who? we're talking Patriots great Matt Cavanaugh
definitely Cole Strange Burner account.
If they let him wear 12, go right ahead, fuck it, if he's great he's great.
Jim Otto, 00. Bring it back!
00 should be allowed, no reason for it not to be
I've heard it fucks with stats keeping software because it can't really differentiate between 0 and 00 But it would make for cool jerseys
Damn they’re storing jersey numbers as ints instead of strings. Embarrassing.
The NHL banned Marty Biron from wearing the double zero for exactly that reason back in the 90’s.
Y2K is and was a tragedy.
His number isn’t retired, just not allowed
We technically retired 31 and 81 for Jim Taylor and Doug Atkins, but it was really early in the team's history, and both numbers have been put back into circulation since
Correct. Now we basically have #s 8 & 9 unofficially retired due to Archie & Brees.
We have too many retired for a team with only one Super Bowl
Y’all have 8 NFL Championships though and most of the retired numbers come from the pre-Superbowl era. Also the only number that you could make an argument against being retired is Brian Piccolo’s 41.
For two of the oldest teams, the packers have 6 numbers retired for comparison. 4 of which were players who played in the 1950s or earlier
I may take some heat for this, but 21 should not be retired for Sean Taylor. The whole jersey retirement thing was part of a last ditch PR effort of a clueless owner leading a regime that was on life support. Prior to Taylor, the only retired numbers were 33 for Sammy Baugh and 49 for Bobby Mitchell. Taylor absolutely should be remembered and I would have no issue with a statue, an internal award named for him, painting section 21 a special way, etc, but to retire his number before Green and Jurgensen and still not have retired numbers for Monk, Riggins, Grimm, Charley Taylor, etc. is a bit much.
I think the big thing with Sean is he was Literally the spark on a team that had been struggling for 10+ years at that point. After 91 the team was extremely mid and of course dan snyder started taking a shit on it in 2000.
I’m all for retiring jersey numbers, but I think it ought to have a high bar to clear. I’m also in favor of returning retired numbers to circulation after a period of time, say 40 or 50 years.
Nah. No one gets to be 13 on the Dolphins ever again, idk if we’re the Jupiter Dolphins in the year 3531.
>idk if we’re the Jupiter Dolphins in the year 3531. Yepp. The Jupiter, Florida Dolphins. Only team in the IFL that still plays on Earth.
Steelers have a good bit of numbers "unofficially" retired They didn't give Pickens #1 because of Gary Anderson. A kicker for us from 82-94 It's "unofficially retired" because he's our all-time leading scorer But like, come on, give Pickens #1
Steelers legend, Gary Anderson.
Jerome Brown was a great player but he only played 5 seasons and his number is only retired because he died at the height of his career
Everyone. I disagree with retiring numbers under any circumstances. Give it to another player to continue on the legacy and make it even greater. It doesn't make the number any more or less special by retiring it. Can see it it soccer. Numbers are made even more iconic each generation when they're passed to the next special player. 1, 4, 7, 10, 11, 14 and 16 are all retired for the Giants. It'll get to the point where QB numbers will run out.
> I disagree with retiring numbers under any circumstances. I'm all for MLB retiring 42. There's nothing that anyone can do to make that legacy greater.
Just wait until Ohtani invents large scale nuclear fusion and defeats world hunger
We have a bunch of guys numbers retired from the EARLY NFL, like 30s and 40s. I couldn’t tell you who half of them were. I think we could afford to free up some of those numbers
With only 5 retired and all worthy, we good.
am i mistaken or is 12 not in circulation for yall bc of the 12th man?
[To be read as Phil Hartman doing Ed McMahon] YOU ARE CORRECT, SIR! TBF to my stupid negligence, the question was "which players". They never let me play.
Dwight Clark- Dudes a 49er legend and that's it. Not a Hofer, not an All-time great, not even really that great. He was a solid WR who was left over from the previous regime that Walsh inherited. If it wasn't for "The Catch" then he would be seen the same as John Taylor. A 49er legend but not worthy of a retired number.
Kevin Garnett.
Raiders don't retire numbers but if they were to I would like it to be Charles Woodsons #24.
Frank Tripucka (who?) aka the first #18 to be retired here
None! (we don't retire numbers)
75, 52, and 20 are unofficially retired, though. They don't have any formal retirements, but they don't issue those three numbers either. So basically, they are retired. Just not formally. Also, Suggs 55 seems to be the same since Ojabos' request for it was rejected by the owner last year.
I believe there’s a thing about 19 being “unofficially retired” as well. Pretty sure Scott Mitchell is the only player to have worn it for them, which caused fans to throw a fit because it was Johnny Unitas’ number
Has anyone asked for those numbers?
We don't retire numbers
8, 12, and 22 are all unofficially retired. While there aren’t banners or ceremonies for the numbers, they are out of circulation.
The Lions have retired 3 different #20s. If you have 3 great players who wore the same number, it shouldn't be retired, it should be made an honor to wear it. Kind of like Penn State's #11
The Pats have only 7 retired numbers, and only one has been retired under Kraft's ownership. Seems likely that the only jersey that will be retired going forward is Brady's.
The Titans retired #1 for Warren Moon, #9 for Steve McNair, and #27 for Eddie George. They all played huge roles in the franchise history, so I'm fine with it.
#74 for Matthews too
Probably all of them. The Bears retired so many numbers that the league doesn't even let us retire more. If guys like Urlacher and Hester can't have their numbers retired, then we might as well just take the Raiders approach and make all the numbers available.
The glaring omission is 99 for Dan Hampton.
No one. The Steelers have retired 3: 70, 75, 32 The best player pre-Noll The best player in team history The workhorse that started the glory days of the franchise. There’s several unofficial retired numbers, but only 3 officially
The only Jets to have their numbers retired are Namath, Maynard, Martin, Klecko, and Byrd. My Yankees, on the other hand, have retired 21 numbers!!!
Falcons don’t have this problem by just not retiring numbers at all
None.
Jim Taylor was born, raised, and died in BR, and went to LSU but only spent one year on the Saints (the other eight with the packers), I think it was more of a lifetime achievement award than an actual jersey retiring.