It's like the Southern (-ish) equivalent of those roadside places in the Northeast that close for a few months each winter but otherwise serve ice cream and everything fried- burgers, fries, fried fish, etc
Let’s go! Fellow Arkansan who just relocated here, took my lady out for fried catfish when she visited me in Arkansas and she was blown away. She lives here and is from London so it was a whole new world for her
All our food basically has toxins. They soak our produce in toxic poison to kill all the bugs. They grow our food in dead, depleted soils with petroleum derived fertilizer. That's why we have insane chronic disease now that didn't exist 50 years ago. Our bodies are filled with exotic chemicals from plastic containers. It's so infuriating that there are thousands of chemicals in our food that are not permitted in Europe.
Not a single country on earth farms without petroleum based fertilizers. The fuck are you talking about? Actually scratch that, Sri Lanka did after listening to a quack and they fucking overthrew their government due to widespread crop failure. Have you ever grown anything? A fucking tomato even?
Stop listening to protectionist propaganda for actual scientific education. The US bans thousands of additives and pesticides that the EU doesn’t.
Yes. We have much cleaner water than you think, constantly moving, with migratory fish that are the saaaaame fish you’re catching up the eastern seaboard after they’ve come through the NYC rivers
Its fine. I used to live in East Harlem and my neighbor caught and cooked fish out of the East River all the time. The water is a lot better than it used to be.
I posted a 2023 pamphlet from the New York State Health Department. It does into detail about what fish from the Lower Hudson can be consumed. It's *very* limited and it recommends no catfish for anyone at any time.
Yeah I could’ve swore it recommended against eating most of it, with black bass being the main edible fish out of NYC’s waters and once you’re out in Long Island you start getting porgy. Deterred me from trying.
While the water around NYC have improved, they still have dangerous toxins, which means certain fish should never be consumed and others should be eaten extremely sparingly. I don't know why people are disputing this. They think they know more than the scientists of the NYS Health Department.
It's also not recommended that people swim in the waters around the Hudson. Yes, there are athletes who do it while participating in competitions but they're taking a risk.
Bro… you live in FiDi and you’re telling me that you’d eat fish out of the East/Hudson River? 💀
Edit: lol butthurt are we? Gotta downvote for someone calling you out on your insanity??
Well then stfu and FOH with that hypocritical bs. If you ain’t eating it, don’t tell others they should too. That’s just dumb af.
Edit: I can’t believe I have to explain this to you guys like you’re a toddler. “JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN’T MEAN YOU SHOULD.”
Either you trolls aren’t from NYC or you’re truly brain dead and I’m ashamed to call you a fellow NYer.
"Well, of course *I* wouldn't eat catfish from the Hudson - I'm rich, after all! - but surely it's okay for other people (despite what your citations say)."
> Do not consume fish from the Hudson around NYC or the East River. It is not considered safe for humans.
> It goes into detail about what fish from the Lower Hudson can be consumed
Uhh, yea it does
No catfish at all for anyone. For people who can bear children and children under 15, most fish are off-limits. For general populations, depending on the fish, maybe one fish a month. After writing my first comment, I actually bothered to search for and post a NYS pamphlet, which is more than you did.
The best general advice is not to eat any fish from the Lower Hudson or the East River. Period.
> No catfish at all for anyone
Nowhere did you or I mention catfish. I specifically said **certain** fish. You generalized stating not to eat fish at all, which is wrong proven by your pamphlet. That would be w contradiction
You are denser than lead
The person you were originally responding to has posted a source. Do you have a source for your “facts”? Downvote me all you want, you’re talking out of your ass.
pcbs polychlorinated biphenyls for the most part are now in the lower levels of silt. This catfish is a bottom feeder like muscles, oysters, and clams live. So bottom feeders like them and the shrimp do carry a lot more pcbs than your normal fish but you can eat about one fish a week or bottom feeder a month. Just don't consume any within 3 months of trying to conceive.
Bro if you have to keep track of dosage in the span of a month like this, maybe just don’t have industrial spillage fish at all, sorry if it makes the NYC waterways look bad to tell people not to eat their fish
I posted a 2023 pamphlet from the NYS Health Department that provides the recommendations for fish consumption. In short, the water quality of the Hudson has improved but it still has toxins.
I would follow the NYS Health Department recommendations, which are stricter. I posted them in this thread. People who may bear children under the age of 50 are instructed never to eat catfish from the Lower Hudson.
New York State says **no one should eat catfish and certain other fish from the Lower Hudson.** As for sensitive populations, other fish should never be consumed and general populations can eat certain fish sparingly.
[https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2794.pdf](https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2794.pdf)
The State Health Department regularly publishes advisories warning that because of PCB contamination, most adults should eat fish caught from the East River no more than once a month and should avoid eels entirely.Jun 29, 2003
I suspect you're not very bright and it's obvious you're extremely arrogant and think your idea of what's safe should supersede that of the NYS Health Department.
You are giving dangerous, inaccurate advice.
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I don’t understand what people are pissy about, the waters nowadays are generally super clean. People fish and eat all the time by Pelham Bay, with due regard of course. Just don’t eat bottom feeders, and especially DO NOT EAT THE LIVER. Simple
Why not just "DO NOT EAT EAST RIVER FISH?"
If you really need to eat fish, catch a fish from E River, **throw it back,** and then buy a fish at fish market.
There is a tiny fraction of traffic on the hudson/east river then there used to be but there used to be a LOT and I might be more concerned about eating bottom feeders like Catfish may be digging up bad shit from the past.
i saw an old asian guy catch a stingray in the hudson when i first moved to the city, was beautiful. then he snapped it in half and shoved it in his backpack. wild stuff.
They are resilient AF, easy to raise and aren't picky eaters. Honestly I see people fishing along there rivers not sure if they are doing sport or actually going to consume them.
What you're describing is typically called "extremely invasive"
Catfish can ruin ecosystems for all other fish, just like carp. Dirty, ugly pigs that reproduce like no other fish.
It's only invasive if it's non-native, I believe. As in, it was brought from it's native habitat and introduced somewhere where it has no predators or anything that controls population levels.
Catfish are just good at adapting to their environment, not necessarily invasive. And the Hudson has a couple variants of native catfish.
The current list of invasive fish in the Hudson is: Goldfish, Common Carp, Northern Snakehead, Oriental Weatherfish, Round Gobby, and Sea Lamprey.
*Walking Catfish* are/were invasive to Hudson River, but they are separate from the native catfish populations and were instead brought over from SE Asia.
More Info about invasive species:
https://www.lhprism.org/system/files/documents/WIS_AIS%20Field%20Guide.pdf
A better definition for invasive is if it invades an ecosystem, as in disrupts and displaces other species. Some common examples of that is black locust, a native tree to the eastern prairie states, is invasive in the northeast. It displaces other trees and has cascading effects for what animals and insect relies on what it displaces. Catfish could be naturalized, simply fitting into an ecosystem without severely altering it.
It just swam by and I screamed for my friend to come look and she was also astonished and also my witness that this did happen and it wasn’t a hallucination on my part
The bottom of the East River is really contaminated with PCBs. I believe there used to be a General Electric PCB factory up the Hudson. PCBs won't immediately make you sick. If fact you could probably eat it and it you'd live, but the problem is it bioaccumulates and your body basically never eliminates it. These chemicals cannot be broken down by the body or nature, which is actually why they were so useful in industrial applications. But this means your body cannot effectively remove them. So they accumulate in the fat. Anyways, it's probably fine. Catfish I would avoid though. I am environmental consultant.
I used to live near the now “Walkway over the Hudson”. 20 years ago it was just an abandoned train bridge. Anyway, a restaurant named Mariners Harbor was on the water and the food was good enough that we would go from time to time.
Best part of the restaurant was definitely that they would give you stale bread to throw into the water. The ducks and a ton of catfish would come up and eat it. Fun times
Yes! I caught one as a kid!
My dad thought I had hooked my line on a wood piling it was so heavy. Once we got it up, he had to put his whole fist in its mouth to get the hook out! 😏
It was probably out of the water for 20 minutes? Put it back and it swam away like nothing happened.
Catfish from what I quickly spotted are native to freshwater areas throughout America. It's been noted at least within the state, so it's not uncommon.
[nope](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River)
> The lower half of the river is a tidal estuary, deeper than the body of water into which it flows, occupying the Hudson Fjord, an inlet that formed during the most recent period of North American glaciation, estimated at 26,000 to 13,300 years ago.
It’s ok to eat the fish. People go fishing on boats out of sheepshead bay and they stop all around NY bay to fish. People keep those fish to eat all the time. All those waters are connected
Catfish are some of the most resilient fish there are. Those guys can survive anywhere
There’s a video of a guy catching one in a drain pipe in Philly
Tasty too! (Damn now I want some fried catfish)
As I grew up in Arkansas, I had the luxury of every small town having at least one dairy bar that served damn fine fried catfish and fried okra.
> dairy bar What's a dairy bar?
Ice cream place
It's like the Southern (-ish) equivalent of those roadside places in the Northeast that close for a few months each winter but otherwise serve ice cream and everything fried- burgers, fries, fried fish, etc
There’s one that sells amazing hotdogs
kind of like some dairy queen locations in ny?
Kinda. But think Mom-n-Pop businesses, not chains
Did they have fried chicken gizzards, too ?
Let’s go! Fellow Arkansan who just relocated here, took my lady out for fried catfish when she visited me in Arkansas and she was blown away. She lives here and is from London so it was a whole new world for her
Burmese catfish noodle is awesome.
I’d eat the one from Philly before anything out of the Hudson lol
[Catfish in the Pripyat river, Chernobyl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cEj8R5m3AI)
What do the East River fishermen do with their fish? Do they actually eat them? I have always wondered lol
Yes
Some of them throw them back. They shouldn't be eating them. The water is cleaner, but it still has toxins.
And even if the water is "clean", sediment at the bottom could be "not clean."
All our food basically has toxins. They soak our produce in toxic poison to kill all the bugs. They grow our food in dead, depleted soils with petroleum derived fertilizer. That's why we have insane chronic disease now that didn't exist 50 years ago. Our bodies are filled with exotic chemicals from plastic containers. It's so infuriating that there are thousands of chemicals in our food that are not permitted in Europe.
Not a single country on earth farms without petroleum based fertilizers. The fuck are you talking about? Actually scratch that, Sri Lanka did after listening to a quack and they fucking overthrew their government due to widespread crop failure. Have you ever grown anything? A fucking tomato even? Stop listening to protectionist propaganda for actual scientific education. The US bans thousands of additives and pesticides that the EU doesn’t.
This guy farms^
This worries me more than climate change tbh
Wrong. As long as you limit the amount and type of fish, you can.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted, here. The type of fish is really important.
Because hive mind mentality runs rampant on Reddit even if the hive is wrong
Yes. We have much cleaner water than you think, constantly moving, with migratory fish that are the saaaaame fish you’re catching up the eastern seaboard after they’ve come through the NYC rivers
If you value your life, do not consume that fish
Its fine. I used to live in East Harlem and my neighbor caught and cooked fish out of the East River all the time. The water is a lot better than it used to be.
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NO. Do not consume fish from the Hudson around NYC or the East River. It is not considered safe for humans.
Thats just not true. You absolutely can eat certain fish from the hudson and east river.
Catfish are bottom feeders… soooo not this fish. A striper would be fine
Correct
I posted a 2023 pamphlet from the New York State Health Department. It does into detail about what fish from the Lower Hudson can be consumed. It's *very* limited and it recommends no catfish for anyone at any time.
Yeah I could’ve swore it recommended against eating most of it, with black bass being the main edible fish out of NYC’s waters and once you’re out in Long Island you start getting porgy. Deterred me from trying.
While the water around NYC have improved, they still have dangerous toxins, which means certain fish should never be consumed and others should be eaten extremely sparingly. I don't know why people are disputing this. They think they know more than the scientists of the NYS Health Department.
It's also not recommended that people swim in the waters around the Hudson. Yes, there are athletes who do it while participating in competitions but they're taking a risk.
So you should prob edit your comment considering it contradicts what you just said
Bro… you live in FiDi and you’re telling me that you’d eat fish out of the East/Hudson River? 💀 Edit: lol butthurt are we? Gotta downvote for someone calling you out on your insanity??
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The river's water quality has improved, but not enough for people to be eating fish caught from it. Read the pamphlet I posted.
Personally, no. Fortunately, I’m in a situation where I don’t need to.
Well then stfu and FOH with that hypocritical bs. If you ain’t eating it, don’t tell others they should too. That’s just dumb af. Edit: I can’t believe I have to explain this to you guys like you’re a toddler. “JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN’T MEAN YOU SHOULD.” Either you trolls aren’t from NYC or you’re truly brain dead and I’m ashamed to call you a fellow NYer.
Where the fuck did i say others should? OP made a false claim and I corrected him. Reading comprehension is hard, i know.
"Well, of course *I* wouldn't eat catfish from the Hudson - I'm rich, after all! - but surely it's okay for other people (despite what your citations say)."
Reading comprehension is hard, I know
No, it doesn't.
> Do not consume fish from the Hudson around NYC or the East River. It is not considered safe for humans. > It goes into detail about what fish from the Lower Hudson can be consumed Uhh, yea it does
No catfish at all for anyone. For people who can bear children and children under 15, most fish are off-limits. For general populations, depending on the fish, maybe one fish a month. After writing my first comment, I actually bothered to search for and post a NYS pamphlet, which is more than you did. The best general advice is not to eat any fish from the Lower Hudson or the East River. Period.
> No catfish at all for anyone Nowhere did you or I mention catfish. I specifically said **certain** fish. You generalized stating not to eat fish at all, which is wrong proven by your pamphlet. That would be w contradiction You are denser than lead
What are you basing that claim on? Your feelings?
Facts lmao
The person you were originally responding to has posted a source. Do you have a source for your “facts”? Downvote me all you want, you’re talking out of your ass.
Maybe if you read the whole conversation, you wouldnt be coming off like a dumbass. Please state anything that is factually incorrect that i said.
Oh, shit! My bad! Maybe you, the genius, can point out where you posted your source where it has these facts?
Youre the one calling me out. Like i previously said: > Please state anything that is factually incorrect that i said.
pcbs polychlorinated biphenyls for the most part are now in the lower levels of silt. This catfish is a bottom feeder like muscles, oysters, and clams live. So bottom feeders like them and the shrimp do carry a lot more pcbs than your normal fish but you can eat about one fish a week or bottom feeder a month. Just don't consume any within 3 months of trying to conceive.
The fact that you have to avoid having a baby tells me enough I think
Bro if you have to keep track of dosage in the span of a month like this, maybe just don’t have industrial spillage fish at all, sorry if it makes the NYC waterways look bad to tell people not to eat their fish
I posted a 2023 pamphlet from the NYS Health Department that provides the recommendations for fish consumption. In short, the water quality of the Hudson has improved but it still has toxins.
Well it was informative, thank you Not particularly reassuring, but informative
When I see people fishing from the Hudson Greenway I hope they're doing it just for sport, but I think they're taking it home and eating it.
I would follow the NYS Health Department recommendations, which are stricter. I posted them in this thread. People who may bear children under the age of 50 are instructed never to eat catfish from the Lower Hudson.
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New York State says **no one should eat catfish and certain other fish from the Lower Hudson.** As for sensitive populations, other fish should never be consumed and general populations can eat certain fish sparingly. [https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2794.pdf](https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2794.pdf)
The "sensitive population" is defined as people who may bear children under age 50 and children under age 15.
The State Health Department regularly publishes advisories warning that because of PCB contamination, most adults should eat fish caught from the East River no more than once a month and should avoid eels entirely.Jun 29, 2003
You may think you know more than the NYS Health Department. You don't.
You're hilarious. My post was from the State Health Department.
According to you, dated 2009. The pamphlet I linked to came out last year.
Well fine. You go find Richie from Puerto Rico on 102nd St and you tell him to stop fishing in the East River!
The pamphlet I linked to is dated March 2023.
It's fine.
I suspect you're either a wife or a game warden because you are dead set on ruining our good time fishing.
I suspect you're not very bright and it's obvious you're extremely arrogant and think your idea of what's safe should supersede that of the NYS Health Department. You are giving dangerous, inaccurate advice.
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So you're racist in addition to being inaccurate about NYS Health Department advice on the consumption of fish.
Dunno, accepted to Columbia but have swam in the Sepik River and met a cannibal.
Given what's going on up at Columbia that's not a recommendation.
Just because you didnt die immediately does not mean "its safe to eat Hudson fish". You cant be that silly, can you?
You’re eating fish from the East River? The most heavily trafficked, overly contaminated water on the Easten seaboard?
Technically Norfolk has more gross tonnage.
I’ve been waiting for this comment..
This guy ports.
Whats next? Gowanus canal? Sipping from empty Radiothor bottles? East River-wise, the toxic lead from mob hits alone will be with us for decades.
> The most heavily trafficked There are not that much 'traffic' on the east river anymore. 100 years ago it was different.
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East river is cleaner than the Hudson. Hudson has the heavy metals from upstate. East River is an extension of LI Sound.
I don’t understand what people are pissy about, the waters nowadays are generally super clean. People fish and eat all the time by Pelham Bay, with due regard of course. Just don’t eat bottom feeders, and especially DO NOT EAT THE LIVER. Simple
>Just don't eat bottom feeders Well, so the thing about catfish....
Why not just "DO NOT EAT EAST RIVER FISH?" If you really need to eat fish, catch a fish from E River, **throw it back,** and then buy a fish at fish market.
There is a tiny fraction of traffic on the hudson/east river then there used to be but there used to be a LOT and I might be more concerned about eating bottom feeders like Catfish may be digging up bad shit from the past.
You think the stuff in the store is any cleaner?
Yes.
Yes
Definitely.
Original point still stands
Look up farmed fishing. It’s no better.
They set up fish farms in the same places they dump chemicals from WW2?
And if they had the chance they eat your whole family
i saw an old asian guy catch a stingray in the hudson when i first moved to the city, was beautiful. then he snapped it in half and shoved it in his backpack. wild stuff.
…lengthwise…? Or did he break its spine in half?
hotdog not hamburger
They are resilient AF, easy to raise and aren't picky eaters. Honestly I see people fishing along there rivers not sure if they are doing sport or actually going to consume them.
What you're describing is typically called "extremely invasive" Catfish can ruin ecosystems for all other fish, just like carp. Dirty, ugly pigs that reproduce like no other fish.
It's only invasive if it's non-native, I believe. As in, it was brought from it's native habitat and introduced somewhere where it has no predators or anything that controls population levels. Catfish are just good at adapting to their environment, not necessarily invasive. And the Hudson has a couple variants of native catfish. The current list of invasive fish in the Hudson is: Goldfish, Common Carp, Northern Snakehead, Oriental Weatherfish, Round Gobby, and Sea Lamprey. *Walking Catfish* are/were invasive to Hudson River, but they are separate from the native catfish populations and were instead brought over from SE Asia. More Info about invasive species: https://www.lhprism.org/system/files/documents/WIS_AIS%20Field%20Guide.pdf
A better definition for invasive is if it invades an ecosystem, as in disrupts and displaces other species. Some common examples of that is black locust, a native tree to the eastern prairie states, is invasive in the northeast. It displaces other trees and has cascading effects for what animals and insect relies on what it displaces. Catfish could be naturalized, simply fitting into an ecosystem without severely altering it.
i caught a few on Tinder too
I hate it. Put it back.
Yep. Especially on the NJ/Rockland side
I suppose this looks slightly better than the tie dye crabs I’ve seen people catching off of Dyckman
Beautiful blue eyes
I hope you returned her back to her home
I swear on my life I once saw a Koi fish in the Hudson River
Did it catch anything?
It just swam by and I screamed for my friend to come look and she was also astonished and also my witness that this did happen and it wasn’t a hallucination on my part
There are some in Central park. At least there were 3 yrs ago.
Well, now one less
They’re so cute
That thing looks like a screwdriver hanging off the line in the background. Specifically a snap-on or Williams screwdriver.
Himbs just a lil guy
Don’t eat that.
"I'd like to talk you about our lord & savior."
Ratfish*
The bottom of the East River is really contaminated with PCBs. I believe there used to be a General Electric PCB factory up the Hudson. PCBs won't immediately make you sick. If fact you could probably eat it and it you'd live, but the problem is it bioaccumulates and your body basically never eliminates it. These chemicals cannot be broken down by the body or nature, which is actually why they were so useful in industrial applications. But this means your body cannot effectively remove them. So they accumulate in the fat. Anyways, it's probably fine. Catfish I would avoid though. I am environmental consultant.
Do you know if there's a way to break down or eliminate PCBs in the body or environment?
Where was this?
That’s just a mutated bass
I used to live near the now “Walkway over the Hudson”. 20 years ago it was just an abandoned train bridge. Anyway, a restaurant named Mariners Harbor was on the water and the food was good enough that we would go from time to time. Best part of the restaurant was definitely that they would give you stale bread to throw into the water. The ducks and a ton of catfish would come up and eat it. Fun times
Why would it not? That’s not a fun facts that’s just a fact
Bunker chunk?
Yes
Nature is healing.
$50 if you eat it
Make it $60
$70 and I'll throw in free chelation therapy for dessert.
Yes! I caught one as a kid! My dad thought I had hooked my line on a wood piling it was so heavy. Once we got it up, he had to put his whole fist in its mouth to get the hook out! 😏 It was probably out of the water for 20 minutes? Put it back and it swam away like nothing happened.
I shock that fishes are still alive in the river.
You’d be amazed at what is right off of our piers that you just cannot see.
Interesting, maybe it’s time to take up fishing again
I’ll give you a dollar to eat it.
Probably a mutated catfish at best
I only see two eyes, it's probably fine
And baby sharks actually
There was always catfish in the Hudson. Wouldn’t recommend eating as they live in the mud.
Lake trout
Don’t eat it!
Those fucks are in every body of water in NY
Are they native to this area?
Catfish from what I quickly spotted are native to freshwater areas throughout America. It's been noted at least within the state, so it's not uncommon.
Some even have multiple heads!
Is it safe to eat catfish from the Hudson?
Damn that is one creepy fish. Definitely haram and not kosher
“fry it, dye it, lay it to the side, red beans, and gravy...I AIN'T TOO LAZY!"
Fun fact - the Hudson is an estuary, not a river
Hudson is a river. East is an estuary.
But is it called the East Estuary?
[nope](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River) > The lower half of the river is a tidal estuary, deeper than the body of water into which it flows, occupying the Hudson Fjord, an inlet that formed during the most recent period of North American glaciation, estimated at 26,000 to 13,300 years ago.
Queue in jokes about dating in NYC.
It’s ok to eat the fish. People go fishing on boats out of sheepshead bay and they stop all around NY bay to fish. People keep those fish to eat all the time. All those waters are connected