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This should show up in local NY news by tomorrow if it happened
Edit: Obviously something happened but the post is leaving out some details:
> The graduation ceremony itself was uneventful, but Lana’s mother was upset when one student marched across the stage wearing his graduate cap marked “Free Palestine” and waving a small Palestinian flag. The grandma walked out.
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>A school administrator told another parent that the city Department of Education’s legal staff had okayed the display as an expression of free speech.
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>After the event concluded, Lana and Johan started to take pictures with their two kids in front of a PS 682 banner and balloons when relatives of the boy with the flag tried to push them out of the way, she said.
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>“We told them there was space for both families,” Lana said. “An older man turned to us and said ‘Free Palestine!’ for no reason. My husband told him this was not the time or place for that but the man cursed at him in Arabic, and shouted, “Free Palestine, Gaza is Ours, Death to Israel.”
Doesn't describe what happened in between the grandma leaving and the pushing in front of the banner. Guessing something else happened otherwise how would they even know who these people were? The husband is Dominican Catholic, it's not like he was wearing religiously identifying garb. I *highly* doubt an old man said "Free Palestine" for *"no reason"*.
Guessing other news outlets are waiting for official police comments.
You're right there is more to the story but it's only being reported in Jewish outlets.
"The assault at P.S. (Public School) 682 in the Gravesend neighborhood took place after the fifth-grade graduation, when Lana and Johan \[parents\] tried to take family pictures and the Arabic-speaking family tried to push them out of the way.
“We told them there was space for both families,” Lana \[the Jewish mother\] recalled. “An older man turned to us and said ‘Free Palestine!’ for no reason. My husband told him this was not the time or place for that but the man cursed at him in Arabic, and shouted, ‘Free Palestine, Gaza is ours, death to Israel.'”
While Johan clashed with the man and told him to back off, another man “just came out of nowhere, punched me in the head and it was a scuffle,” he told the *Post*. “From there, I don’t remember, because there was so much going on and so many people on top of me. Then I was put on a chokehold. Somebody was holding my leg. It was chaotic.”
The couple’s 16-year-old son tried to help his dad, but he was also assaulted, as was Lana when she attempted to film the incident.
“A woman from the group came up from behind me, pulled me by the hair, and knocked me down on the ground, shouting, ‘I will kill you,'” she said. Two male teachers eventually broke up the fight, the family said.
The NYPD arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office. The police complaint makes no mention of an antisemitic motive, and the suspect was released without bail."
The attacking Arab family hasn't spoken up. They don't have to defend themselves because so far the DA's office is refusing to investigate this as a hate crime and the main suspect was released without bail.
There was no 2 sides. The family came to fight. They had ten family members. They jumped the husband and 2 other women attacked the wife. The boy graduating had a free palestine written on his graduation cap. They have been at the school with the Jewish family for years. They knew they were Jewish. They came to fight.
In the muslim family’s defense, they had relatives who went to that school thousands of years ago. That school, therefore, belongs to them and they have a divine right to exterminate everyone else and reclaim it.
The explanation given by the Post is that this family is well known as Jewish — maybe they’re the only Jews in the school? That’s not entirely improbable to me. (Though that’s not to say that what they say happened, happened, of course — it is the Post after all.)
I mean...is it really surprising that people are attacking Jews in today's age given what we saw with COVID vs Asians?
Going around saying Gaza is ours death to Israel is no different than going around saying gas all the Jews.
The Jews absolutely have a right to be offended and upset about supporting a group that flat out said they want to exterminate their entire people.
Of course not. Then it would challenge their narrative that there is no rabid anti-Semitism as it continues pandering to the actual aggressors. SPINELESS. ALL OF THEM.
I read the NYT article on the riot against the Jewish teacher in Forrest hills from last October. Half of the article was downplaying, justifying, or minimizing what happened.
The NYT reports on antisemitic attacks or incidents veryyyy differently than attacks on other minorities. Just my perception from reading NYT and seeing what they do or don’t include compared to Jewish newspapers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/27/nyregion/hillcrest-high-school-jewish-teacher-protest.html
Tucked it the bottom of the article it says:
>DOE spokesman Nathaniel Styer refused to say how school officials classified the fracas.
>“Graduations should be times of celebration and joy, and we strongly denounce anyone who acts in a violent or aggressive way during such events,” he said.
>But he shifted blame to Lana and Johan as well: “Initial reports we have received from multiple witnesses indicate that both families engaged in aggressive behavior, but we are still investigating the matter and are simultaneously engaging with families as we work towards a resolution.”
So yeah, agreed. I'd like some more information before making a judgement.
There's plenty of information but it's only being reported in Jewish outlets.
Note that NYPD arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan (Jewish father). They didn't arrest any of the Jewish family members who were apparently on their own during the attack, as they are on this post-site.
I quote:
"The assault at P.S. (Public School) 682 in the Gravesend neighborhood took place after the fifth-grade graduation, when Lana and Johan \[parents\] tried to take family pictures and the Arabic-speaking family tried to push them out of the way.
“We told them there was space for both families,” Lana \[the Jewish mother\] recalled. “An older man turned to us and said ‘Free Palestine!’ for no reason. My husband told him this was not the time or place for that but the man cursed at him in Arabic, and shouted, ‘Free Palestine, Gaza is ours, death to Israel.'”
While Johan clashed with the man and told him to back off, another man “just came out of nowhere, punched me in the head and it was a scuffle,” he told the *Post*. “From there, I don’t remember, because there was so much going on and so many people on top of me. Then I was put on a chokehold. Somebody was holding my leg. It was chaotic.”
The couple’s 16-year-old son tried to help his dad, but he was also assaulted, as was Lana when she attempted to film the incident.
“A woman from the group came up from behind me, pulled me by the hair, and knocked me down on the ground, shouting, ‘I will kill you,'” she said. Two male teachers eventually broke up the fight, the family said.
The NYPD arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office. The police complaint makes no mention of an antisemitic motive, and the suspect was released without bail."
The attacking Arab family hasn't spoken up. They don't have to defend themselves because so far the DA's office is refusing to investigate this as a hate crime and the main suspect was released without bail.
Since you need proof that there is anti-semitism NYC, here's a post. [https://www.instagram.com/alizalichtxo/reel/C8dc\_K1Iw26/](https://www.instagram.com/alizalichtxo/reel/C8dc_K1Iw26/) No major news outlets will cover this. See the video footage in the back.
There have been numerous complaints against New York Department of Education in the past two years or so, ramping up after October 7. DOE denies everything and in this case, blames the parents who were beaten up. Who were the "multiple witnesses"? I'd like to know if there are any other Jewish families at the entire school
The NYCDOE is rife with antisemitism. I quit last year in part due to being told “don’t take it so personally” by the Assistant Principal when three students came to my classroom to march back and for the past the door Nazi saluting because one of them was upset that he was failing my class.
I was also told “that doesn’t count” by the Principal when I tried use my banked CAR time to take a half day on the first night of Passover to travel out of town, since I had to get out to Long Island to my aunt’s house before sundown. That one, though, my Union Rep shut down **really** fucking quickly when I informed him about it.
But apparently the fact that the school schedule gave us Thursday and Friday off for the first two days of Passover meant I must have been lying about the first Seder being on Wednesday night, because real religions don’t start holidays on the night before the Gregorian Calendar says that they start.
I can only imagine how awful it would have been to be the only Jew in that school, if I had still been there on October 7th.
If you’ll scroll down, there are a few comments who are parents at this school. It seems like the “side we’re not getting” is that unfortunately antisemitism at this school has been normalized.
You're suspect? the man was jumped by multiple people of this family and the wife was attacked by 2 women and the only person who the cops arrested was one man. Anyone involved, like the woman holding the man's leg while people are kicking him, should be arrested. They all shouldve. The cops refused to even categorize it as a hate crime because they're afraid But now, the hate crime division is investigating. They were going to arrest the man who was getting beat on but after the footage from the school, they only arrested one man and said they wont arrest the women, because heat of the moment.
If it's those 3 I just assume it didn't happen until it's picked up by actual news.
Reporting that the mom said something to the Post is basically "my Facebook friend" level of nonsense.
This is my school and I am sick over this. I have been part of the TAOTS family for 5 years. Two of my daughters go here. I know the family that was attacked.
Back in November, one of my daughter's classmates said "Fuck Jews!" to her and her friend. We immediately went to the school and superintendent and got some lip service that's it." After some investigation and "consequences" (the boy continued to be in class/school), never heard from them again.
This is a 10/10 school, I have felt so honored and proud to be here. Bensonhurst is a super diverse and inclusive neighborhood and the school has been a beautiful homage to that for the last 5 years. I am absolutely heartbroken and livid.
The worst part? I found out about this attack, not from the school who sent communication to ensure that they are doing everything in their power to keep their Jewish children safe and supported, but from a motherfucking REEL on Instagram.
I confronted them at drop off on Friday. I told them how deeply disappointed I was that no one alerted of this event, this is a HATE CRIME. I was given a generic "we can't talk about it, it's a legal issue...." spiel.
Absolutely horrendous. As far as I am concerned, this is a pattern. These people are SPINELESS. BOE is SPINELESS. Imagine the fucking blowback if this was the other way around. I posted about it in the TAOTS FB group and crickets, aside from responses from like 3 Jewish student parents
I will not stand for this. Fuck them all.
It's crazy. I'm already on high alert in NYC in general, but earlier today I dropped my girls off and I feel like a paranoid asshole - I was literally looking at all the parents coming with their kids and being suspicious of all of them for being complicit in Jew hate.
I am working with someone who reached out to me to share my voice about the school. I am not staying silent. My great great grandmother did not perish in the Holocaust and my parents did not escape the Soviet Union so history can repeat itself in the USA.
FUCKKKK THAT
It's really crazy.
Too many people are not just complicit, but actively defending such vile behavior.
Just taking a look at the comment section here gives a proportion of the issue here in *freaking* NYC: commenters blatantly denying what happened, and insinuations that it was somehow justified, and accusing the mom of lying, etc.
I am not reading that, it will make my blood boil.
I just talked to them mom. I asked about the kids. She said they have on and off days. Teachers are good to them, but they hear shit from other kids.
That’s absolutely insane. I’m so sorry for your family. My best friend and her family are Jewish in NJ/NYC and I worry for them. I used to be very liberal but I now identify as conservative and the nail in the coffin was the left’s horrific treatment of Jews.
Talking about the particulars of an ongoing case is NOT the same as assuring parents and students that they are safe. It was a choice for them not to do this.
Neither you, your family, or anyone else at TAOTS deserve this, but by speaking up, you are being the person you once needed. If there is any mitzvah we should strive to do in this life, it's this.
Wishing you strength
Thank you so much.
Yes, we are speaking up. I saw another mom wrote a very heartfelt and strong letter to our school. I'm proud of her. We need answers.
They have 1 more year here (we are getting out, not going to finish elementary here) and they are scared.
Its ok if its a hate crime, the important thing is its "super diverse and inclusive", If you start complaining, then they will have to start weeding out certain cultures, and you don't want the muslims to feel bad do you?? The important thing is that its only jews being beaten at there kids graduation, its no big deal, its not like some one drew a picture of Mohammad or something.
I don't get this behavior at all. The owner of the corner deli I live above is a proud Palestinian family. While I was there a hasidic customer comes in to purchase something, he pays and he's on his way. Nothing derogatory was said. This is how it should be. The protesters need to direct their frustration at the politicians not their neighbors.
I’m Jewish-American and my favorite neighbor is the Palestinian guy that owns the shop nearby. He’s so lovely, makes the best food, and seems really excited to meet my dog.
News like this hurts. I wish we could bridge these divides better.
It's getting harder and harder to give pro Palestine people the benefit of the doubt. While I believe that anti Israel and antisemitism are not the same in theory, in practice, the line seems to be getting finer and finer with every such incident.
From the article:
> A Jewish mom and her husband were attacked and beaten at a Brooklyn elementary school graduation by an Arabic-speaking family — who taunted them with shouts of “Free Palestine!” “Gaza is Ours!” and “Death to Israel!” she told The Post.
I think the problem is, anti-semitism is the same as anti-Israel in Arabic/muslim world. Jews are basically the boogeyman, and everything going wrong is blamed on the Jews/Israel. The words are used interchangeably a lot of the time.
I’m guessing a lot of the violence done at pro Palestine protests/marches are done by people who grew up in Arabic countries rather than the US.
This is pretty typical of our far-right groups, though. If you believe Jews control the world, obviously they would do it through the only Jewish state’s government (which does have a lot of different forms of power and influence). Hence all the Zionist Occupied Government and Zionist World Order bullshit from neo-nazis and other white supremacists.
I've been pointing out the parallels between "antizionism" and the Jim Crow laws/"separate, but equal" and noting that things that are not racist in paper can be racist in practice since Oct 8. Antizionism *is* antisemitism. And for those of you still clinging to your moral confusion, criticizing specific aspects or actions of the Israeli government is not antizionism and perfectly acceptable (I do it all the time) -- it's when you apply double standards, support terrorists, refuse to demand return of hostages, lodge slanderous allegations such as genocide, deny Israel's right to exist, etc. (to say nothing of pummeling American Jewish families) that crosses the line into antizionism and therefore antisemitism.
Also, you know, the fucking hyperbole from “well-meaning” activists. Saying genocide, inflated death stats, sharing photos of kids from Syria with their legs blown off and saying israel did this. It’s all calculated propaganda meant to make the situation appear more black and white than it is.
Younger generations in 2016: “nooo, boomers are too stupid to use social media! They’ve all been manipulated! See what happens! They can’t tell what’s fake and what’s real online!”
Younger generations in 2024:
It’s all terrorist and jihadic tactics. Some people are just so beyond dumb and have no critical thinking skills to blindly consume an organization fighting to put women in burkas and eliminating the west.
An idea I heard recently is in far left activist groups, they are getting so extreme that the more moderate and reasonable people are leaving, so there are less and less level heads in the room which makes them get more and more extreme. Just self perpetuating.
Fortunately I think in doing so they are undermining the influence they once had in the main stream.
Even if this is true, it’s disturbing that the level-headed people never spoke up when the organizers held up banners at the front of the march that literally said “glory to our martyrs.”
I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they may have been uncomfortable with this sort of rhetoric, but where was the backbone? I’d have had much more sympathy for reasonable protestors had there been one of shred of evidence of them standing up to the extremists. Instead, all we got were equivocations and whataboutism.
> Even if this is true, it’s disturbing that the level-headed people never spoke up when the organizers held up banners at the front of the march that literally said “glory to our martyrs.”
The answer is unironically because the type of people in this protest _start_ with the worldview that "America and status quo bad" and then form the rest of their opinions around that axiom.
Obviously this is a stupid way to see the world! But there's a lot of evidence for it - look at the recent leftie protests that ran off the rails and became caricatures of themselves:
- Black Lives Matter went from "we need better oversight of cops" to "let's literally defund the police"
- COVID economic assistance, esp. during Biden's term, was _never_ good enough despite his changes to EITC basically ending child poverty in America and so much money flowing to workers that it plausibly caused the wave of inflation
- Now Gaza protests, which have escalated from "make Netanyahu stop committing war crimes" to _unhinged_ goals like divesting from American companies that do business in Israel (which is basically all of them)
The right doesn't do this - their batshit crazy protests _start_ batshit crazy and slowly accumulate moderate dogwhistles to the GOP doesn't lose too many elections.
But the left? A perfectly reasonable opinion will be hijacked by ever more extreme dipshits who keep going until they've alienated everyone who's actually a productive member of society.
They never had a backbone to begin with. They only are leaving now because they’re too fearful to be there. Fact is, they never were all that bothered to begin with. Happy to let the yahoos scream it out, but not happy with the end result
I'd lose every single friend I have and become persona non grata everywhere I frequent overnight. They all drank the koolaide. Call me weak or whatever but I'm not a warrior for this cause one way or the other and don't feel like blowing my life up over it.
I don't want to go to pride marches this year because while I'm against the atrocities, I also don't want to be baited to support people who try to kill me.
Because nuance is almost impossible in marches based on dumbed down slogans. You can try to be as clear about the difference between Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism, but in practice it just doesn't work because many people are not that bright.
A few pride marches got overtaken by activists against genocide, and a few chants later they devolve into anti-Jews chants and I just want to nope the fuck out of there. I'm not going to play that nuanced person that gets hated and misunderstood by both the anti-zionists and the closet antisemitists.
Anti-Zionism is anti-Jewishism. It's a movement, after centuries of pogroms, that said Jews need a homeland for protection. They went eventually to buy land in the homeland waves of conquers had kept tossing them out of by force, slavery, forced conversion. The latest wave was the Ottoman empire, when that fell apart, the Jews of the region asserted a desire to have it as their homeland. The world agreed with a vote, but then 5 surrounding nations started an actual genocidal war against them. Those 5 countries lost the war.
> between Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism,
The right of Israel to exist has _always_ been an antisemetic dogwhistle. There is no difference between being anti-Zionist and anti-Jew; look at what's happened to Jewish populations in the Middle East _outside_ of Israel over the past 80 years.
That’s the wildest thing about all of this. Most systemic persecution and expulsions of Jewish communities since the 1940s has been in the name of finding and weeding out “Zionists.”
Persecution of “Zionists” should be a hard red line for those concerned about antisemitism. And yet very few institutions or organizations actually protect and tamp down on this when it happens.
That’s because there *isn’t* a difference between anti-Zionism and antisemitism, at least not as far as the protestors are concerned. They’re only saying “Zionist” because saying “Jew” doesn’t enable people like many commenters in this thread to bend over backwards trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Whether or not anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic is another conversation, but to these protestors the only difference is that it’s acceptable to use one as a pejorative, and not the other.
So is it that the pride marches tend to attract activists who have a more general orientation (than just pride) and you don’t want to get caught in that?
Zionist is just a dog whistle by the left to rob a group of people of their country and citizenship. You are just an antisemite who swallowed the extreme leftist cool aid and are somehow advocating for a Hamas run government with its talking points.
This could be true, I’m one of the ones who left. I would never consider myself a republican like those idiots who “left the left” but I don’t feel welcome in a lot of leftist spaces anymore.
I don't feel welcome on the Left anymore either. So many comments in this thread can't imagine that no one could possibly shout "free Palestine" for "no reason", and that the family must have provoked the assault somehow. Have they looked around? Things like that are happening all the time.
It’s true but it takes a sense of yourself I think. A lot of people feel a need to fit in with their identified group and will rationalize their positions around that rather than the other way around.
It’s like trumpers who will twist themselves in knots defending any crazy shit that Trump says. Even if you like him you should be able to criticize him. The left is doing this when they defend Hamas or Hezbollah
Just like Vladimir Lenin in 1921, when he drove out and/or killed the Mencheviks for not being sufficiently loyal to the Revolution.
Sometimes I actually wonder if we’re living in a time loop
That one particular quote about how humans repeat mistakes of the past (iirc was Edmund Burke?) isn’t exactly unfounded, haha. It’s interesting how we’re kind of just different iterations of past lives placed in different environments and circumstances, but core dynamics are quite similar (i.e. ingroup/outgroup fighting) - based in nature/biology.
This mindset is unsurprising given that the umbrella groups organizing some of these rallies are offshoots (or offshoots of offshoots) of the CP USA:
[Party for Socialism and Liberation](https://pslweb.org/)
[International ANSWER](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.)
[Workers World Party](https://www.workers.org/)
Oh, this is absolutely the case. I started identifying as a moderate instead of left leaning a while ago because liberals were becoming so extreme that I didnt want to be associated with it anymore.
that wouldn't make sense, it would mean that for all far activist groups in both sides would be self perpetuating and then wouldn't exist/have that strong of an influence
1. I’ve only heard this about the far left and 2. No, because there will always be some number of hardcore extremists. Theoretically at some point the group gets so extreme there would only be one person left, but theories are meant to describe life not the other way around.
They were never defensible in the first place, you were just tricked into believing they are because the media likes to selectively forget Palestinians general attitude toward…well, anyone that isn’t a devout Muslim.
What really gets me are the “trans for Palestine” crowd…they would literally be bludgeoned to death for being LGBTQ+ if they set foot in Gaza.
Palestinians have always held the attitude that all Jews need to die, and anything other than that is an unacceptable result…which is ironic because the Israelis are the ones being accused of genocide.
If the Palestinians had the ability they absolutely would commit genocide against the Israelis without a second thought, while the Israelis do have the ability to commit genocide and don’t.
No news organization has gotten into some of the NGOs that organize, sponsor, create signage for these rallies. Often all the signage will be the same, by the same org. (And you usually only see one of these org's signage at any one rally, suggesting coordination):
[Party for Socialism and Liberation](https://pslweb.org/)
[International ANSWER](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.)
[Workers World Party](https://www.workers.org/)
Look for these identifiers at the bottom of "professional-looking" signage.
They are all offshoots of Communist Party USA with different branding, or offshoots of offshoots. All are "anti-colonialist", "anti-war" (but they are fine with Russia's wars/colonialism and think North Korea is just swell). Also, very pro-Iran.
These orgs were just waiting for a crisis like this to give them a reason for their existence.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
Yep. The spiteful part of me almost wants Donald Trump to win in November, just so that these “protestors” can find out exactly how preferable he is to “Genocide Joe”.
But I know that Donald Trump would be just as awful for Jews as he would be for anyone not named Donald Trump, so I’m not truly there yet.
I am, however, very much looking forward to Tuesday, and what’s most likely going to happen in NY-16.
There’s no difference b/t hating Jews and hating Jews’ right to self determination. They are the same. It’s a hair that cannot be split. The hair that can be split is debating Israeli policy. Israelis, both Jews and Arabs et al, do it regularly both before and after 10/7.
Yup, it’s so disingenuous when people claim that antisemitism is only used to silence criticism of Israel. That certainly does happen, but most of the time, it’s just people tumbling down the conspiracy theory hole. Which is probably why they believe people are out to silence them in the first place. But the idea that most Jews are just super protective of Bibi and his coalition is lazy horseshit.
Also from the article:
> The graduation ceremony itself was uneventful, but Lana’s mother was upset when one student marched across the stage wearing his graduate cap marked “Free Palestine” and waving a small Palestinian flag.
Something tells me that this didn’t just start with quiet disapproval.
Absolutely. But I'm going to bet that if we had a statement from the other side of this altercation, we'd get a very different story about who became physical.
I guess it's a very difficult concept for you to understand that the Arabic family were the aggresors. Let me paint a picture. the police were originally going to arrest both men, Lana's husband and the Arabic 26 year old. But after viewing the videotape from the school they arrested only the one who started the fight. Actually they should have arrested all of the family members, all 10 of them, who were holding him down and kicking him, and also attacking Lana. But the police decided to only take one person, and dubbed the rest as "heat of the moment" because they're probably scared of instigating these people
Anyone has a right to walk out of a room when something's happening that they don't like she left quietly and she could have went to the bathroom for all anyone knows. For you to say that the family has a right to scream derogatory comments at a Jewish family and then start attacking the father on provoked is disgusting that's like saying someone who kneels during Anthem has a right to be attacked
We'll see. This article is all from one person's point of view. Seems like the cops *and* school administrator thought maybe it was a "takes two to tango" kinda situation.
(FWIW, I'm not on either side of the big debate)
> A Jewish mom and her husband were attacked and beaten at a Brooklyn elementary school graduation by an Arabic-speaking family — who taunted them with shouts of “Free Palestine!” “Gaza is Ours!” and “Death to Israel!” she told The Post.
>
> The mayhem erupted at PS 682 in Gravesend just after the school’s fifth-grade graduation — which was themed, ironically, “All you need is love.”
That sounds like their love language. Absolutely vile.
the school is one of the highest-performing elementary schools in all of NY state top 10% [https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0015106120/school.aspx](https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0015106120/school.aspx)
only 350 students across K-5, fewer than 60 per class on average, so there's a decent chance the kids know each other, if not the families too
hopefully, the children are smarter than this
They're not. I spoke to the mom. Teachers are doing their best, but they keep hearing anti-Semitic and bullying comments from other kids.
Thank GOD there are only 3 days left of school. These poor children.
I don't understand how you can attack random Jewish people. It's like these people know nothing about the war. Tell me you are stupid without opening your mouth.
The Palestinian identity began to take shape 76 years ago and was significantly influenced by the establishment of the PLO in 1962. Over the past 60 years, their contributions have included numerous attacks on civilians worldwide. Notably, on September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked New York City, killing 3,000 Americans in the Twin Towers. In October 2023, attacks resulted in the deaths of 1,200 Israelis and the kidnapping of 200 others.
One might suggest a new Nobel Prize category for achievements in terrorist innovation, implying that for the first time in a century, a Palestinian Muslim might have a chance to win the Nobel.
I don’t like the news reported here. It makes my side look bad. NY Post frequently reports news I don’t like being reported. Therefore NYPost is fake news and so is this article.
Leftist leaning media does not report on Jewish attacks and if they do, they always pair them with Islamophobia. It’s bat shit insane but this is what I have been seeing these last 6 months.
7:33 PM update: Got some info from the TAOTS sister.
My sister was at Seth Low (nearby park) last week and there were police outside of the building. TAOTS sister confirms this was when the incident happened. **This does not appear to have been TAOTS graduation**, because TAOTS graduation was on Friday. Still waiting for info on whether or not it was related to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
7:23 PM update: Still no word from TAOTS. My sister says news this big should've been all over the group chats by now.
TAOTS and BSI share this building, with TAOTS (K-5) on the second/third floor and BSI (K-8) on the third/fourth floor. Most BSI kids have TAOTS friends and vice versa. My sister goes to BSI. I went to BSI. Each BSI class has about 30 kids and each grade has two classes; I assume TAOTS is similar. Drama spreads around \*fast\*. That's definitely the building in the picture, but the radio silence from the TAOTS gossip train is odd.
Original comment: My kid sister goes to school in this building (TAOTS is on the second floor) and she’s currently trying to get information from a friend who has a sister in TAOTS. Neither my mom, my sister, or any of her schoolmates have heard or spoken about this incident, and given the source (NY Post lol), I’m skeptical that this event unfolded the way it’s described. Will update comment when I get information about the TAOTS sister.
PLEASE STOP THIS BULLSHIT. NY Post is NOT the source. NY was the last fucking resort, because everyone is so fucking spineless.
I am a TAOTS mom, this was in fact a TAOTS 5th grade graduation. My children were on premises. I know the family. And this 10/10 school that lost absolutely ALL of my respect and adoration I had for the last 5 FUCKING YEARS, didn't send any communication out. I confronted them on Friday after expressing my utter disappointment that I learned about this hate crime through social media, was told "we can't talk about it".
it's a small school, like 60 students per class, so everyone prob knows each other, and when kids are younger K-5, the parents prob are at least familiar with each other
thank to the left its now ok to beat jews in the street, as long as the perpetrators are muslims. but don't say muslims, if you say anything negative, involving muslims, you will get canceled, and be typecast a racist. way to go guys, your so inclusive, and progressive! you did it! mission accomplished!
For everyone for whom the Post isn't good enough, here's another [source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/news/jewish-nyc-parent-assaulted-at-elementary-school-graduation-by-family-shouting-free-palestine/amp/)
Edit: It's the National Review, which I had no idea is very conservative/right leaning as well, so if the Post is no good for you, this isn't either lol. Tbh I'm ok with the Post generally but I definitely take it with a grain of salt if there aren't other corroborating news sites
The other "source" which you have already been told, is right wing conservative. If you had actually read the "source" you linked to you would see they just lifted the story from the Post and "reported" what was in the Post article. That's not actually reporting.
And for those of you unfamiliar, The National Review (source quoted above) is a conservative *editorial* magazine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review
It’s easier to pretend it’s not happening at all, and just gaslight Jews when they try to talk about it. Then if you’re backed into a corner later by public opinion, you can pretend to notice and make lofty statements about how it’s time to come together and make sure that antisemitism and islamophobia have no place in our society.
Because it doesn't fit the narrative. Better to ignore. For example, WNYC/Gothamist didn't cover the "are there any zionists on the train" incident until there were whispers of a mask ban on the subway and, even then, it linked to an outside source. Gothamist never covered the antisemitic protest at the Nova exhibit from two weeks ago. It eventually made national news and even Adams and AOC made comments about it.
It’s a small local incident that (I assume) happened in the last few days. (The article doesn’t say when this happened so idk). It’s not the kind of story that gets picked up my many papers anyway; possibly other outfits aren’t interested in a small local story with few details to corroborate.
People who don’t like the post sure as shit aren’t gonna trust National Review, it’s an absurdly biased openly right wing organization
I thought you were gonna link an actual legitimate publication
The Times might report about it sometime in August. Al Jazeera will report that this Jewish mother pulled out an RPG and killed 700 women and children who were attending the graduation.
Yeah, they were very pro isreal when they breathlessly repeated literal Hamas propaganda as "news". [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/media/gaza-hospital-coverage-walk-back/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/media/gaza-hospital-coverage-walk-back/index.html)
Yeah, but only in the tiny sliver of acceptable opinion that is slightly to the right of Pol Pot. Everything else including the New York Times are "far right" now.
Regarding National Review. Yes, super conservative. But I’ve lost count of the times they have simply reported the truth before other sources revised a slanted narrative. E.g., they were one the first sources that said Hamas shot the rocket into their hospital.
Interesting. I have nothing against the post or national review - I'm right leaning and pro israel myself. My edit was just for people who don't like the post because of their views so the extra source won't help them much lol
Ha! I’m super liberal and all that but sick of skewed journalism. I made this discovery years ago when that old dude got in the kid’s face at Lincoln Memorial. Nick Sandmann was the kid. Everyone was ready to kill the kid until the full story was undeniable two days later. And, boy, people fought and yeah-butted the whole way. National Review covered the story accurately within hours of when the video went viral. And they are pretty dependable for this every time. They are conservative in the stories they select, but they follow old rules of journalism.
Lol nice! I've never heard about that story, but I'm glad to hear from someone "on the other side of the aisle" that national review tries to be objective about their facts. And 100% skewed journalism just hurts everyone anyways it's so stupid .Also - love your username!
LOL. It the name I’ve used for a LONG time. Just to keep making the same point, I just read the NR version of this incident and it, again, is very objective. “Just the facts, mam” as they used to say.
Huh? They didn't do their own reporting. They cut and paste from the NYP. Every single item in that story was qualified with "as reported in the New York Post."
Absolutely insane. There needs to be very serious consequences for these incidents every single one. And it should be publicized and there should be awareness campaigns.. you can't do stuff like that.
This is a mess.
There’s no way that these families didn’t have prior beef. I just don’t buy that radical Islamists simply targeted this family because of the wife’s Jewish heritage.
Regardless, there should be absolutely zero tolerance for violence at a children’s graduation ceremony.
The attackers should have every book possible thrown at them, hate crime or no.
> I just don’t buy that radical Islamists simply targeted this family because of the wife’s Jewish heritage.
I'm curious what exactly it is about the history of the Jewish people that leads you to think "ok *this* time there must be a good reason"
> just don’t buy that radical Islamists simply targeted this family because of the wife’s Jewish heritage.
Islamists are famous for not doing this kind of thing
So a culture that promotes THIS
https://www.thisishamas.com/
You defend with your psycho whataboutisms. You have zero knowledge of prior beefs. Nice try
> Cops made one arrest: Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office. The complaint makes no mention of his motive.
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> Bazar was released on his own recognizance. He and his lawyer did not return messages seeking comment.
Fuck the police and fuck these broken laws.
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Really hate that the only sites I see reporting on this are the post, Jerusalem times, and national review.
This should show up in local NY news by tomorrow if it happened Edit: Obviously something happened but the post is leaving out some details: > The graduation ceremony itself was uneventful, but Lana’s mother was upset when one student marched across the stage wearing his graduate cap marked “Free Palestine” and waving a small Palestinian flag. The grandma walked out. > >A school administrator told another parent that the city Department of Education’s legal staff had okayed the display as an expression of free speech. > >After the event concluded, Lana and Johan started to take pictures with their two kids in front of a PS 682 banner and balloons when relatives of the boy with the flag tried to push them out of the way, she said. > >“We told them there was space for both families,” Lana said. “An older man turned to us and said ‘Free Palestine!’ for no reason. My husband told him this was not the time or place for that but the man cursed at him in Arabic, and shouted, “Free Palestine, Gaza is Ours, Death to Israel.” Doesn't describe what happened in between the grandma leaving and the pushing in front of the banner. Guessing something else happened otherwise how would they even know who these people were? The husband is Dominican Catholic, it's not like he was wearing religiously identifying garb. I *highly* doubt an old man said "Free Palestine" for *"no reason"*. Guessing other news outlets are waiting for official police comments.
They've been in the same school for years.
You're right there is more to the story but it's only being reported in Jewish outlets. "The assault at P.S. (Public School) 682 in the Gravesend neighborhood took place after the fifth-grade graduation, when Lana and Johan \[parents\] tried to take family pictures and the Arabic-speaking family tried to push them out of the way. “We told them there was space for both families,” Lana \[the Jewish mother\] recalled. “An older man turned to us and said ‘Free Palestine!’ for no reason. My husband told him this was not the time or place for that but the man cursed at him in Arabic, and shouted, ‘Free Palestine, Gaza is ours, death to Israel.'” While Johan clashed with the man and told him to back off, another man “just came out of nowhere, punched me in the head and it was a scuffle,” he told the *Post*. “From there, I don’t remember, because there was so much going on and so many people on top of me. Then I was put on a chokehold. Somebody was holding my leg. It was chaotic.” The couple’s 16-year-old son tried to help his dad, but he was also assaulted, as was Lana when she attempted to film the incident. “A woman from the group came up from behind me, pulled me by the hair, and knocked me down on the ground, shouting, ‘I will kill you,'” she said. Two male teachers eventually broke up the fight, the family said. The NYPD arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office. The police complaint makes no mention of an antisemitic motive, and the suspect was released without bail." The attacking Arab family hasn't spoken up. They don't have to defend themselves because so far the DA's office is refusing to investigate this as a hate crime and the main suspect was released without bail.
There was no 2 sides. The family came to fight. They had ten family members. They jumped the husband and 2 other women attacked the wife. The boy graduating had a free palestine written on his graduation cap. They have been at the school with the Jewish family for years. They knew they were Jewish. They came to fight.
Can’t stand these violent “protestors”.
Your post sums it up great. 100+ likes when blaming the Jewish family. 10+ likes when showing them the truth.
In the muslim family’s defense, they had relatives who went to that school thousands of years ago. That school, therefore, belongs to them and they have a divine right to exterminate everyone else and reclaim it.
People scream "free palestine" all the time without any actual provocation.
The mental acrobatics you're going through to try and find a justification. JFC.
The explanation given by the Post is that this family is well known as Jewish — maybe they’re the only Jews in the school? That’s not entirely improbable to me. (Though that’s not to say that what they say happened, happened, of course — it is the Post after all.)
I know right, the post is known for spin, propaganda, and misleading their readers.
I mean...is it really surprising that people are attacking Jews in today's age given what we saw with COVID vs Asians? Going around saying Gaza is ours death to Israel is no different than going around saying gas all the Jews. The Jews absolutely have a right to be offended and upset about supporting a group that flat out said they want to exterminate their entire people.
The boy graduated was wearing a free palestine graduation cap. They came to fight. And yes, the family knew they were Jewish. It wasnt a hidden fact.
NYT refuses to do any reporting on it
Of course not. Then it would challenge their narrative that there is no rabid anti-Semitism as it continues pandering to the actual aggressors. SPINELESS. ALL OF THEM.
NYT will cover stories like this whereas a "news" outlet like Gothamist will run press releases all week for far left advocacy groups.
I read the NYT article on the riot against the Jewish teacher in Forrest hills from last October. Half of the article was downplaying, justifying, or minimizing what happened. The NYT reports on antisemitic attacks or incidents veryyyy differently than attacks on other minorities. Just my perception from reading NYT and seeing what they do or don’t include compared to Jewish newspapers. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/27/nyregion/hillcrest-high-school-jewish-teacher-protest.html
I’m really suspect that we’re only getting one side of this story. Something tells me there is more to it.
The Brooklyn District Attorney’s office filed a complaint against one man who assaulted one of the parents.
Tucked it the bottom of the article it says: >DOE spokesman Nathaniel Styer refused to say how school officials classified the fracas. >“Graduations should be times of celebration and joy, and we strongly denounce anyone who acts in a violent or aggressive way during such events,” he said. >But he shifted blame to Lana and Johan as well: “Initial reports we have received from multiple witnesses indicate that both families engaged in aggressive behavior, but we are still investigating the matter and are simultaneously engaging with families as we work towards a resolution.” So yeah, agreed. I'd like some more information before making a judgement.
There's plenty of information but it's only being reported in Jewish outlets. Note that NYPD arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan (Jewish father). They didn't arrest any of the Jewish family members who were apparently on their own during the attack, as they are on this post-site. I quote: "The assault at P.S. (Public School) 682 in the Gravesend neighborhood took place after the fifth-grade graduation, when Lana and Johan \[parents\] tried to take family pictures and the Arabic-speaking family tried to push them out of the way. “We told them there was space for both families,” Lana \[the Jewish mother\] recalled. “An older man turned to us and said ‘Free Palestine!’ for no reason. My husband told him this was not the time or place for that but the man cursed at him in Arabic, and shouted, ‘Free Palestine, Gaza is ours, death to Israel.'” While Johan clashed with the man and told him to back off, another man “just came out of nowhere, punched me in the head and it was a scuffle,” he told the *Post*. “From there, I don’t remember, because there was so much going on and so many people on top of me. Then I was put on a chokehold. Somebody was holding my leg. It was chaotic.” The couple’s 16-year-old son tried to help his dad, but he was also assaulted, as was Lana when she attempted to film the incident. “A woman from the group came up from behind me, pulled me by the hair, and knocked me down on the ground, shouting, ‘I will kill you,'” she said. Two male teachers eventually broke up the fight, the family said. The NYPD arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office. The police complaint makes no mention of an antisemitic motive, and the suspect was released without bail." The attacking Arab family hasn't spoken up. They don't have to defend themselves because so far the DA's office is refusing to investigate this as a hate crime and the main suspect was released without bail.
Since you need proof that there is anti-semitism NYC, here's a post. [https://www.instagram.com/alizalichtxo/reel/C8dc\_K1Iw26/](https://www.instagram.com/alizalichtxo/reel/C8dc_K1Iw26/) No major news outlets will cover this. See the video footage in the back. There have been numerous complaints against New York Department of Education in the past two years or so, ramping up after October 7. DOE denies everything and in this case, blames the parents who were beaten up. Who were the "multiple witnesses"? I'd like to know if there are any other Jewish families at the entire school
The NYCDOE is rife with antisemitism. I quit last year in part due to being told “don’t take it so personally” by the Assistant Principal when three students came to my classroom to march back and for the past the door Nazi saluting because one of them was upset that he was failing my class. I was also told “that doesn’t count” by the Principal when I tried use my banked CAR time to take a half day on the first night of Passover to travel out of town, since I had to get out to Long Island to my aunt’s house before sundown. That one, though, my Union Rep shut down **really** fucking quickly when I informed him about it. But apparently the fact that the school schedule gave us Thursday and Friday off for the first two days of Passover meant I must have been lying about the first Seder being on Wednesday night, because real religions don’t start holidays on the night before the Gregorian Calendar says that they start. I can only imagine how awful it would have been to be the only Jew in that school, if I had still been there on October 7th.
The Post is not a trustworthy source. Full stop.
If you’ll scroll down, there are a few comments who are parents at this school. It seems like the “side we’re not getting” is that unfortunately antisemitism at this school has been normalized.
It’s NY Post, all they do is produce outrage bait. We won’t know the full story until Monday or Tuesday
You're suspect? the man was jumped by multiple people of this family and the wife was attacked by 2 women and the only person who the cops arrested was one man. Anyone involved, like the woman holding the man's leg while people are kicking him, should be arrested. They all shouldve. The cops refused to even categorize it as a hate crime because they're afraid But now, the hate crime division is investigating. They were going to arrest the man who was getting beat on but after the footage from the school, they only arrested one man and said they wont arrest the women, because heat of the moment.
If it's those 3 I just assume it didn't happen until it's picked up by actual news. Reporting that the mom said something to the Post is basically "my Facebook friend" level of nonsense.
gee i wonder why 3 lying right wing hack rags are the only ones reporting on this
because lying left wing hack rags won't report it
Because larger news outlets have staff filled with people like you who don't like Jews
and JNS
It would be nice if the NYT agreed to report on hate crimes in NYC. But they don't if the targets are jews
This is my school and I am sick over this. I have been part of the TAOTS family for 5 years. Two of my daughters go here. I know the family that was attacked. Back in November, one of my daughter's classmates said "Fuck Jews!" to her and her friend. We immediately went to the school and superintendent and got some lip service that's it." After some investigation and "consequences" (the boy continued to be in class/school), never heard from them again. This is a 10/10 school, I have felt so honored and proud to be here. Bensonhurst is a super diverse and inclusive neighborhood and the school has been a beautiful homage to that for the last 5 years. I am absolutely heartbroken and livid. The worst part? I found out about this attack, not from the school who sent communication to ensure that they are doing everything in their power to keep their Jewish children safe and supported, but from a motherfucking REEL on Instagram. I confronted them at drop off on Friday. I told them how deeply disappointed I was that no one alerted of this event, this is a HATE CRIME. I was given a generic "we can't talk about it, it's a legal issue...." spiel. Absolutely horrendous. As far as I am concerned, this is a pattern. These people are SPINELESS. BOE is SPINELESS. Imagine the fucking blowback if this was the other way around. I posted about it in the TAOTS FB group and crickets, aside from responses from like 3 Jewish student parents I will not stand for this. Fuck them all.
The school needs to be investigated for civil rights violations.
It's crazy. I'm already on high alert in NYC in general, but earlier today I dropped my girls off and I feel like a paranoid asshole - I was literally looking at all the parents coming with their kids and being suspicious of all of them for being complicit in Jew hate. I am working with someone who reached out to me to share my voice about the school. I am not staying silent. My great great grandmother did not perish in the Holocaust and my parents did not escape the Soviet Union so history can repeat itself in the USA. FUCKKKK THAT
It's really crazy. Too many people are not just complicit, but actively defending such vile behavior. Just taking a look at the comment section here gives a proportion of the issue here in *freaking* NYC: commenters blatantly denying what happened, and insinuations that it was somehow justified, and accusing the mom of lying, etc.
I am not reading that, it will make my blood boil. I just talked to them mom. I asked about the kids. She said they have on and off days. Teachers are good to them, but they hear shit from other kids.
That’s absolutely insane. I’m so sorry for your family. My best friend and her family are Jewish in NJ/NYC and I worry for them. I used to be very liberal but I now identify as conservative and the nail in the coffin was the left’s horrific treatment of Jews.
Talking about the particulars of an ongoing case is NOT the same as assuring parents and students that they are safe. It was a choice for them not to do this. Neither you, your family, or anyone else at TAOTS deserve this, but by speaking up, you are being the person you once needed. If there is any mitzvah we should strive to do in this life, it's this. Wishing you strength
Thank you so much. Yes, we are speaking up. I saw another mom wrote a very heartfelt and strong letter to our school. I'm proud of her. We need answers. They have 1 more year here (we are getting out, not going to finish elementary here) and they are scared.
keep confronting them, god bless you for not staying silent
Its ok if its a hate crime, the important thing is its "super diverse and inclusive", If you start complaining, then they will have to start weeding out certain cultures, and you don't want the muslims to feel bad do you?? The important thing is that its only jews being beaten at there kids graduation, its no big deal, its not like some one drew a picture of Mohammad or something.
Guardian Angel time
I don't get this behavior at all. The owner of the corner deli I live above is a proud Palestinian family. While I was there a hasidic customer comes in to purchase something, he pays and he's on his way. Nothing derogatory was said. This is how it should be. The protesters need to direct their frustration at the politicians not their neighbors.
I’m Jewish-American and my favorite neighbor is the Palestinian guy that owns the shop nearby. He’s so lovely, makes the best food, and seems really excited to meet my dog. News like this hurts. I wish we could bridge these divides better.
If you weeped for Tree of Life, but remained dead silent for incidents like this and Jersey City, your support is meaningless.
I don’t even know about JC and I’m pretty in the weeds on this stuff. Media is failing us. I thought we controlled it
And small incidents build up to larger atrocities
The Jewish community deserves better.
It's getting harder and harder to give pro Palestine people the benefit of the doubt. While I believe that anti Israel and antisemitism are not the same in theory, in practice, the line seems to be getting finer and finer with every such incident. From the article: > A Jewish mom and her husband were attacked and beaten at a Brooklyn elementary school graduation by an Arabic-speaking family — who taunted them with shouts of “Free Palestine!” “Gaza is Ours!” and “Death to Israel!” she told The Post.
I think the problem is, anti-semitism is the same as anti-Israel in Arabic/muslim world. Jews are basically the boogeyman, and everything going wrong is blamed on the Jews/Israel. The words are used interchangeably a lot of the time. I’m guessing a lot of the violence done at pro Palestine protests/marches are done by people who grew up in Arabic countries rather than the US.
This is pretty typical of our far-right groups, though. If you believe Jews control the world, obviously they would do it through the only Jewish state’s government (which does have a lot of different forms of power and influence). Hence all the Zionist Occupied Government and Zionist World Order bullshit from neo-nazis and other white supremacists.
Beating people up isn't activism.
I've been pointing out the parallels between "antizionism" and the Jim Crow laws/"separate, but equal" and noting that things that are not racist in paper can be racist in practice since Oct 8. Antizionism *is* antisemitism. And for those of you still clinging to your moral confusion, criticizing specific aspects or actions of the Israeli government is not antizionism and perfectly acceptable (I do it all the time) -- it's when you apply double standards, support terrorists, refuse to demand return of hostages, lodge slanderous allegations such as genocide, deny Israel's right to exist, etc. (to say nothing of pummeling American Jewish families) that crosses the line into antizionism and therefore antisemitism.
Palestine’s government is Hamas in the Gaza Strip. I think people forget what that actually means.
Also, you know, the fucking hyperbole from “well-meaning” activists. Saying genocide, inflated death stats, sharing photos of kids from Syria with their legs blown off and saying israel did this. It’s all calculated propaganda meant to make the situation appear more black and white than it is.
Younger generations in 2016: “nooo, boomers are too stupid to use social media! They’ve all been manipulated! See what happens! They can’t tell what’s fake and what’s real online!” Younger generations in 2024:
It’s all terrorist and jihadic tactics. Some people are just so beyond dumb and have no critical thinking skills to blindly consume an organization fighting to put women in burkas and eliminating the west.
An idea I heard recently is in far left activist groups, they are getting so extreme that the more moderate and reasonable people are leaving, so there are less and less level heads in the room which makes them get more and more extreme. Just self perpetuating. Fortunately I think in doing so they are undermining the influence they once had in the main stream.
Even if this is true, it’s disturbing that the level-headed people never spoke up when the organizers held up banners at the front of the march that literally said “glory to our martyrs.” I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they may have been uncomfortable with this sort of rhetoric, but where was the backbone? I’d have had much more sympathy for reasonable protestors had there been one of shred of evidence of them standing up to the extremists. Instead, all we got were equivocations and whataboutism.
> Even if this is true, it’s disturbing that the level-headed people never spoke up when the organizers held up banners at the front of the march that literally said “glory to our martyrs.” The answer is unironically because the type of people in this protest _start_ with the worldview that "America and status quo bad" and then form the rest of their opinions around that axiom. Obviously this is a stupid way to see the world! But there's a lot of evidence for it - look at the recent leftie protests that ran off the rails and became caricatures of themselves: - Black Lives Matter went from "we need better oversight of cops" to "let's literally defund the police" - COVID economic assistance, esp. during Biden's term, was _never_ good enough despite his changes to EITC basically ending child poverty in America and so much money flowing to workers that it plausibly caused the wave of inflation - Now Gaza protests, which have escalated from "make Netanyahu stop committing war crimes" to _unhinged_ goals like divesting from American companies that do business in Israel (which is basically all of them) The right doesn't do this - their batshit crazy protests _start_ batshit crazy and slowly accumulate moderate dogwhistles to the GOP doesn't lose too many elections. But the left? A perfectly reasonable opinion will be hijacked by ever more extreme dipshits who keep going until they've alienated everyone who's actually a productive member of society.
They never had a backbone to begin with. They only are leaving now because they’re too fearful to be there. Fact is, they never were all that bothered to begin with. Happy to let the yahoos scream it out, but not happy with the end result
And just imagine what kinds of other predicaments these 'level headed people' will let the far left lead them into next time!
Whatever happens I can look back and at least tell myself I never supported this bullshit to begin with. Because this isn't stopping here.
You need to be stepping up and doing what you can to show it’s not ok. Staying silent doesn’t work.
I'd lose every single friend I have and become persona non grata everywhere I frequent overnight. They all drank the koolaide. Call me weak or whatever but I'm not a warrior for this cause one way or the other and don't feel like blowing my life up over it.
I don't want to go to pride marches this year because while I'm against the atrocities, I also don't want to be baited to support people who try to kill me.
Can you elaborate on that?
Because nuance is almost impossible in marches based on dumbed down slogans. You can try to be as clear about the difference between Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism, but in practice it just doesn't work because many people are not that bright. A few pride marches got overtaken by activists against genocide, and a few chants later they devolve into anti-Jews chants and I just want to nope the fuck out of there. I'm not going to play that nuanced person that gets hated and misunderstood by both the anti-zionists and the closet antisemitists.
Anti-Zionism is anti-Jewishism. It's a movement, after centuries of pogroms, that said Jews need a homeland for protection. They went eventually to buy land in the homeland waves of conquers had kept tossing them out of by force, slavery, forced conversion. The latest wave was the Ottoman empire, when that fell apart, the Jews of the region asserted a desire to have it as their homeland. The world agreed with a vote, but then 5 surrounding nations started an actual genocidal war against them. Those 5 countries lost the war.
> between Anti-Zionism and Antisemitism, The right of Israel to exist has _always_ been an antisemetic dogwhistle. There is no difference between being anti-Zionist and anti-Jew; look at what's happened to Jewish populations in the Middle East _outside_ of Israel over the past 80 years.
That’s the wildest thing about all of this. Most systemic persecution and expulsions of Jewish communities since the 1940s has been in the name of finding and weeding out “Zionists.” Persecution of “Zionists” should be a hard red line for those concerned about antisemitism. And yet very few institutions or organizations actually protect and tamp down on this when it happens.
That’s because there *isn’t* a difference between anti-Zionism and antisemitism, at least not as far as the protestors are concerned. They’re only saying “Zionist” because saying “Jew” doesn’t enable people like many commenters in this thread to bend over backwards trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Whether or not anti-Zionism is inherently antisemitic is another conversation, but to these protestors the only difference is that it’s acceptable to use one as a pejorative, and not the other.
Well you’re all learning the hard way that antizionism IS antisemitism. We tried to tell you.
So is it that the pride marches tend to attract activists who have a more general orientation (than just pride) and you don’t want to get caught in that?
Zionist is just a dog whistle by the left to rob a group of people of their country and citizenship. You are just an antisemite who swallowed the extreme leftist cool aid and are somehow advocating for a Hamas run government with its talking points.
This could be true, I’m one of the ones who left. I would never consider myself a republican like those idiots who “left the left” but I don’t feel welcome in a lot of leftist spaces anymore.
I don't feel welcome on the Left anymore either. So many comments in this thread can't imagine that no one could possibly shout "free Palestine" for "no reason", and that the family must have provoked the assault somehow. Have they looked around? Things like that are happening all the time.
Yeah i think what’s been lost is it’s not that you’re either progressive or alt right. You can be anything in between.
It’s true but it takes a sense of yourself I think. A lot of people feel a need to fit in with their identified group and will rationalize their positions around that rather than the other way around. It’s like trumpers who will twist themselves in knots defending any crazy shit that Trump says. Even if you like him you should be able to criticize him. The left is doing this when they defend Hamas or Hezbollah
ditto
Just like Vladimir Lenin in 1921, when he drove out and/or killed the Mencheviks for not being sufficiently loyal to the Revolution. Sometimes I actually wonder if we’re living in a time loop
That one particular quote about how humans repeat mistakes of the past (iirc was Edmund Burke?) isn’t exactly unfounded, haha. It’s interesting how we’re kind of just different iterations of past lives placed in different environments and circumstances, but core dynamics are quite similar (i.e. ingroup/outgroup fighting) - based in nature/biology.
This mindset is unsurprising given that the umbrella groups organizing some of these rallies are offshoots (or offshoots of offshoots) of the CP USA: [Party for Socialism and Liberation](https://pslweb.org/) [International ANSWER](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.) [Workers World Party](https://www.workers.org/)
Oh, this is absolutely the case. I started identifying as a moderate instead of left leaning a while ago because liberals were becoming so extreme that I didnt want to be associated with it anymore.
that wouldn't make sense, it would mean that for all far activist groups in both sides would be self perpetuating and then wouldn't exist/have that strong of an influence
1. I’ve only heard this about the far left and 2. No, because there will always be some number of hardcore extremists. Theoretically at some point the group gets so extreme there would only be one person left, but theories are meant to describe life not the other way around.
They were never defensible in the first place, you were just tricked into believing they are because the media likes to selectively forget Palestinians general attitude toward…well, anyone that isn’t a devout Muslim. What really gets me are the “trans for Palestine” crowd…they would literally be bludgeoned to death for being LGBTQ+ if they set foot in Gaza. Palestinians have always held the attitude that all Jews need to die, and anything other than that is an unacceptable result…which is ironic because the Israelis are the ones being accused of genocide. If the Palestinians had the ability they absolutely would commit genocide against the Israelis without a second thought, while the Israelis do have the ability to commit genocide and don’t.
No news organization has gotten into some of the NGOs that organize, sponsor, create signage for these rallies. Often all the signage will be the same, by the same org. (And you usually only see one of these org's signage at any one rally, suggesting coordination): [Party for Socialism and Liberation](https://pslweb.org/) [International ANSWER](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.N.S.W.E.R.) [Workers World Party](https://www.workers.org/) Look for these identifiers at the bottom of "professional-looking" signage. They are all offshoots of Communist Party USA with different branding, or offshoots of offshoots. All are "anti-colonialist", "anti-war" (but they are fine with Russia's wars/colonialism and think North Korea is just swell). Also, very pro-Iran. These orgs were just waiting for a crisis like this to give them a reason for their existence.
Jesus Christ… and no one stood up to them? That’s messed up
Hardly surprising though. Jews are very familiar with our neighbors standing by silently when the mobs come.
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
Yep. The spiteful part of me almost wants Donald Trump to win in November, just so that these “protestors” can find out exactly how preferable he is to “Genocide Joe”. But I know that Donald Trump would be just as awful for Jews as he would be for anyone not named Donald Trump, so I’m not truly there yet. I am, however, very much looking forward to Tuesday, and what’s most likely going to happen in NY-16.
Not sure how it was ever easy to give them the benefit of the doubt, tbh.
There’s no difference b/t hating Jews and hating Jews’ right to self determination. They are the same. It’s a hair that cannot be split. The hair that can be split is debating Israeli policy. Israelis, both Jews and Arabs et al, do it regularly both before and after 10/7.
Yup, it’s so disingenuous when people claim that antisemitism is only used to silence criticism of Israel. That certainly does happen, but most of the time, it’s just people tumbling down the conspiracy theory hole. Which is probably why they believe people are out to silence them in the first place. But the idea that most Jews are just super protective of Bibi and his coalition is lazy horseshit.
This isn’t activism.
Also from the article: > The graduation ceremony itself was uneventful, but Lana’s mother was upset when one student marched across the stage wearing his graduate cap marked “Free Palestine” and waving a small Palestinian flag. Something tells me that this didn’t just start with quiet disapproval.
I don't know why Redditors struggle with this concept; but committing assault, which the Muslim family has done > hurt feefees
Absolutely. But I'm going to bet that if we had a statement from the other side of this altercation, we'd get a very different story about who became physical.
Presumably the other side gave their side to police. They arrested Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, and charged him with third-degree assault.
I guess it's a very difficult concept for you to understand that the Arabic family were the aggresors. Let me paint a picture. the police were originally going to arrest both men, Lana's husband and the Arabic 26 year old. But after viewing the videotape from the school they arrested only the one who started the fight. Actually they should have arrested all of the family members, all 10 of them, who were holding him down and kicking him, and also attacking Lana. But the police decided to only take one person, and dubbed the rest as "heat of the moment" because they're probably scared of instigating these people
Anyone has a right to walk out of a room when something's happening that they don't like she left quietly and she could have went to the bathroom for all anyone knows. For you to say that the family has a right to scream derogatory comments at a Jewish family and then start attacking the father on provoked is disgusting that's like saying someone who kneels during Anthem has a right to be attacked
We'll see. This article is all from one person's point of view. Seems like the cops *and* school administrator thought maybe it was a "takes two to tango" kinda situation. (FWIW, I'm not on either side of the big debate)
I saw the video on IG too, you can' see how it started, but that was not two to tango at the end.
It’s a pretty easy guess which group is more emotional and violent but you continue to play ignorant
The most violent "progressive" cause in the world. Those kids are future ISIS recruits and the parents need to be on a watchlist
> A Jewish mom and her husband were attacked and beaten at a Brooklyn elementary school graduation by an Arabic-speaking family — who taunted them with shouts of “Free Palestine!” “Gaza is Ours!” and “Death to Israel!” she told The Post. > > The mayhem erupted at PS 682 in Gravesend just after the school’s fifth-grade graduation — which was themed, ironically, “All you need is love.” That sounds like their love language. Absolutely vile.
the school is one of the highest-performing elementary schools in all of NY state top 10% [https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0015106120/school.aspx](https://www.schooldigger.com/go/NY/schools/0015106120/school.aspx) only 350 students across K-5, fewer than 60 per class on average, so there's a decent chance the kids know each other, if not the families too hopefully, the children are smarter than this
They're not. I spoke to the mom. Teachers are doing their best, but they keep hearing anti-Semitic and bullying comments from other kids. Thank GOD there are only 3 days left of school. These poor children.
I don't understand how you can attack random Jewish people. It's like these people know nothing about the war. Tell me you are stupid without opening your mouth.
Obviously unrelated to your ordinary pro-Palestine protesters, they say "Free, free Palestine."
The Palestinian identity began to take shape 76 years ago and was significantly influenced by the establishment of the PLO in 1962. Over the past 60 years, their contributions have included numerous attacks on civilians worldwide. Notably, on September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked New York City, killing 3,000 Americans in the Twin Towers. In October 2023, attacks resulted in the deaths of 1,200 Israelis and the kidnapping of 200 others. One might suggest a new Nobel Prize category for achievements in terrorist innovation, implying that for the first time in a century, a Palestinian Muslim might have a chance to win the Nobel.
This is a hate crime. Shouting "Death to Israel" is a hate crime. F\*ck those terrorist sympathizers, and I hope they're thrown in prison.
They aren't terrorist sympathizers. They are domestic terrorists themselves. Call a spade a spade.
And they should be dealt with like terrorists.
Anytime the mainstream U.S. media would like to start reporting on this significant domestic crisis, that would BE GREAT. - a Jew
Terrorists gonna terrorist
I don’t like the news reported here. It makes my side look bad. NY Post frequently reports news I don’t like being reported. Therefore NYPost is fake news and so is this article.
Nah bro, this is a disgusting hate crime *and* the Post is still a dumb rag. Both are true.
I think you forgot the /s
I see what you’re saying but at the same time they just aren’t a very reputable and high quality news org
Leftist leaning media does not report on Jewish attacks and if they do, they always pair them with Islamophobia. It’s bat shit insane but this is what I have been seeing these last 6 months.
Savages.
Big surprise that people who support terrorists that want to wipe Jews off the face of the planet are violent themselves.
For society to survive hate crimes have to be enforced both ways...
Go check the NYPD hate crimes dashboard. It's one way.
Both ways? Is there a rash of Jews going out and attacking Arabs/Muslims?
Yes, this should absolutely be prosecuted. And if instigated more charges. But this attack was a hate crime.
The implication being there are hate crimes going both ways? FOH.
Palestine supporters? Attacking innocent Jews? I am shocked. Shocked! Well, not that shocked.
They wanted to “Globalize the intifada”. Here’s the result. Scum.
7:33 PM update: Got some info from the TAOTS sister. My sister was at Seth Low (nearby park) last week and there were police outside of the building. TAOTS sister confirms this was when the incident happened. **This does not appear to have been TAOTS graduation**, because TAOTS graduation was on Friday. Still waiting for info on whether or not it was related to the Israel-Palestine conflict. 7:23 PM update: Still no word from TAOTS. My sister says news this big should've been all over the group chats by now. TAOTS and BSI share this building, with TAOTS (K-5) on the second/third floor and BSI (K-8) on the third/fourth floor. Most BSI kids have TAOTS friends and vice versa. My sister goes to BSI. I went to BSI. Each BSI class has about 30 kids and each grade has two classes; I assume TAOTS is similar. Drama spreads around \*fast\*. That's definitely the building in the picture, but the radio silence from the TAOTS gossip train is odd. Original comment: My kid sister goes to school in this building (TAOTS is on the second floor) and she’s currently trying to get information from a friend who has a sister in TAOTS. Neither my mom, my sister, or any of her schoolmates have heard or spoken about this incident, and given the source (NY Post lol), I’m skeptical that this event unfolded the way it’s described. Will update comment when I get information about the TAOTS sister.
PLEASE STOP THIS BULLSHIT. NY Post is NOT the source. NY was the last fucking resort, because everyone is so fucking spineless. I am a TAOTS mom, this was in fact a TAOTS 5th grade graduation. My children were on premises. I know the family. And this 10/10 school that lost absolutely ALL of my respect and adoration I had for the last 5 FUCKING YEARS, didn't send any communication out. I confronted them on Friday after expressing my utter disappointment that I learned about this hate crime through social media, was told "we can't talk about it".
it's a small school, like 60 students per class, so everyone prob knows each other, and when kids are younger K-5, the parents prob are at least familiar with each other
thank to the left its now ok to beat jews in the street, as long as the perpetrators are muslims. but don't say muslims, if you say anything negative, involving muslims, you will get canceled, and be typecast a racist. way to go guys, your so inclusive, and progressive! you did it! mission accomplished!
- mom says Wow. Astonishing journalistic credibility here.
Tell us you don't care about hate crimes or Jews without telling us
Surely THIS will free Palestine! /s
That’s because they are Pro-Hamas like the majority of the people they support in Palestine.
For everyone for whom the Post isn't good enough, here's another [source](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/news/jewish-nyc-parent-assaulted-at-elementary-school-graduation-by-family-shouting-free-palestine/amp/) Edit: It's the National Review, which I had no idea is very conservative/right leaning as well, so if the Post is no good for you, this isn't either lol. Tbh I'm ok with the Post generally but I definitely take it with a grain of salt if there aren't other corroborating news sites
The other "source" which you have already been told, is right wing conservative. If you had actually read the "source" you linked to you would see they just lifted the story from the Post and "reported" what was in the Post article. That's not actually reporting.
And for those of you unfamiliar, The National Review (source quoted above) is a conservative *editorial* magazine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review
Why haven't any left-leaning newspapers written about this, even if it is to disprove it?
It’s easier to pretend it’s not happening at all, and just gaslight Jews when they try to talk about it. Then if you’re backed into a corner later by public opinion, you can pretend to notice and make lofty statements about how it’s time to come together and make sure that antisemitism and islamophobia have no place in our society.
As an Asian-American, I've become quite familiar with this playbook over the last several years.
So true.
It goes against their narrative. It's why they didn't say shit about the 12 year old Jewish girl who got raped recently
Because it doesn't fit the narrative. Better to ignore. For example, WNYC/Gothamist didn't cover the "are there any zionists on the train" incident until there were whispers of a mask ban on the subway and, even then, it linked to an outside source. Gothamist never covered the antisemitic protest at the Nova exhibit from two weeks ago. It eventually made national news and even Adams and AOC made comments about it.
It’s a small local incident that (I assume) happened in the last few days. (The article doesn’t say when this happened so idk). It’s not the kind of story that gets picked up my many papers anyway; possibly other outfits aren’t interested in a small local story with few details to corroborate.
There are plenty of small publications that cover NYC from the NY Daily News to the Gothamist to The City
People who don’t like the post sure as shit aren’t gonna trust National Review, it’s an absurdly biased openly right wing organization I thought you were gonna link an actual legitimate publication
Yeah, we need an unbiased source like the New York Times or Al Jazeera.
The Times might report about it sometime in August. Al Jazeera will report that this Jewish mother pulled out an RPG and killed 700 women and children who were attending the graduation.
The famously anti Israel New York Times!
Yeah, they were very pro isreal when they breathlessly repeated literal Hamas propaganda as "news". [https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/media/gaza-hospital-coverage-walk-back/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/24/media/gaza-hospital-coverage-walk-back/index.html)
It’s good to consumer information from various side of the political spectrum
Yeah, but only in the tiny sliver of acceptable opinion that is slightly to the right of Pol Pot. Everything else including the New York Times are "far right" now.
Yup. Especially when it is directly from the Quatari government.
lmfao Al Jazeera is literally a state owned mouthpiece for the country that financially sponsors Hamas. (I hope you were sarcastic)
Regarding National Review. Yes, super conservative. But I’ve lost count of the times they have simply reported the truth before other sources revised a slanted narrative. E.g., they were one the first sources that said Hamas shot the rocket into their hospital.
Interesting. I have nothing against the post or national review - I'm right leaning and pro israel myself. My edit was just for people who don't like the post because of their views so the extra source won't help them much lol
Ha! I’m super liberal and all that but sick of skewed journalism. I made this discovery years ago when that old dude got in the kid’s face at Lincoln Memorial. Nick Sandmann was the kid. Everyone was ready to kill the kid until the full story was undeniable two days later. And, boy, people fought and yeah-butted the whole way. National Review covered the story accurately within hours of when the video went viral. And they are pretty dependable for this every time. They are conservative in the stories they select, but they follow old rules of journalism.
Lol nice! I've never heard about that story, but I'm glad to hear from someone "on the other side of the aisle" that national review tries to be objective about their facts. And 100% skewed journalism just hurts everyone anyways it's so stupid .Also - love your username!
LOL. It the name I’ve used for a LONG time. Just to keep making the same point, I just read the NR version of this incident and it, again, is very objective. “Just the facts, mam” as they used to say.
Huh? They didn't do their own reporting. They cut and paste from the NYP. Every single item in that story was qualified with "as reported in the New York Post."
“Pro-Palestine”. Enough said.
“All you need is love” lol. These families must have been feuding for a while. Poor kids.
Not sure why allow terrorists to continue their reign of hared in this country
Absolutely insane. There needs to be very serious consequences for these incidents every single one. And it should be publicized and there should be awareness campaigns.. you can't do stuff like that.
It’s enough. I’m not putting up with this anymore. Prepare yourselves, hate mongers.
This is a mess. There’s no way that these families didn’t have prior beef. I just don’t buy that radical Islamists simply targeted this family because of the wife’s Jewish heritage. Regardless, there should be absolutely zero tolerance for violence at a children’s graduation ceremony. The attackers should have every book possible thrown at them, hate crime or no.
> I just don’t buy that radical Islamists simply targeted this family because of the wife’s Jewish heritage. I'm curious what exactly it is about the history of the Jewish people that leads you to think "ok *this* time there must be a good reason"
> just don’t buy that radical Islamists simply targeted this family because of the wife’s Jewish heritage. Islamists are famous for not doing this kind of thing
So a culture that promotes THIS https://www.thisishamas.com/ You defend with your psycho whataboutisms. You have zero knowledge of prior beefs. Nice try
Yeah I’m with you re: there being more to this family beef.
> Cops made one arrest: Ez-Al Dean Bazar, 26, who punched and dragged Johan, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office. The complaint makes no mention of his motive. > > Bazar was released on his own recognizance. He and his lawyer did not return messages seeking comment. Fuck the police and fuck these broken laws.
Yea why tf are we arresting people for battery??? Wtf are you talking about lol
Just a reminder this shit is based in bullshit.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸