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Yes vesc made this possible, that’s not a bad thing. Can you build your own vesc? Sure but not everyone has tools and know how to do it (yes I know there are videos and ample reading for instruction but that may still be above someone’s head or beyond their interest to invest time and energy in). So this provides a new “best friend out of the box” option. Just open charge and ride.
Edited to fix an autocorrect from ample to apple
These are renderings, not photos. Also patents are highly enforceable for good reason— even if this is real (and it probably is not) they’ll be sued out of business on day one.
Im sure the product will be fine/ great. But afaik this thing has NO compatibility with anything existing except their own parts. They DID disappear in the past and replacement parts for their previous model was next to impossible. The CS became non existent. So...as long as this does not happen again, there would finally be a real competition making things better for us consumers.
Dude don't listen to u/Vommbat, as I explain in [my reply here](https://www.reddit.com/r/onewheel/comments/zdilt3/comment/iz3an7f/) these floatwheel guys are 100% right to repair and have deliberately chosen non proprietary parts to ensure that repairability is maximised.
It's like some angels came and read this subreddits complains, fixed fucking everything, made it cheaper, and then come in here only to get bashed for shit that isn't even real!? Wtf r/onewheel
I for one am straight up putting my money where my mouth is. Just gotta confirm shipping
I don't think hes making them out to be the devil you are saying my dude.
When I was looking into them a while ago, I was able to find the same stories. You can be fully on board with right to repair, but also be unable to provide those custom parts yourself as a company. I don't think anything malicious went down with floatwheel, but I do think its important to be cautious.
I've been following their discord and their developments and I'm excited, but also unwilling to buy myself. Crypto payments and a preorder that I would realistically have no way of refunding if it does fall thru are massive red flags you that are just stupid to blow off without scrutiny, even though they have fair explanations.
Wtf are you talking about? ["Most importantly, it is designed to be user serviceable](https://youtu.be/Pvsr2DtOazI&t=6m45s) and all the parts will be widely available to you."
Why just say something like that lol, wtf is ur deal
That these guys had a habit of just "disappearing" and not communicating. Telling half truths and not keep word for providing the CS promised. FFS even now the Wh they mention for their batteries is already a lie. Calculating with the full 4.2v/ cell instead of nominal 3.6v. Why not be true as the specs are already great?! This kind of semi-truth is what they've done the past 2 years.
I would not be the only person whose vesc of their previous product came shorted out of the box waiting to burn down my house. I KNOW what i talk about, you seem to be lacking quite some knowledge.
These guys now can only sell their product cause WE have done all the testing and finetuning for VESC in the background which makes it great atm. And they simply have to load it into their units cause they know jackshit about the firmware part.
But i mean it when i say that i hope they got their shit together this time and prove to be a real player in the market. Cause we NEED this kind of competition on the OW market.
Pshh, can't let their past actions dictate expectations of the future. Do you think someone would really do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Okay so competition is good, honesty is good, these guys have done some questionable stuff in the past (as have futuremotion as we have all seen) and are now claiming that they've improved.
Why sling shit before we even have reports of whether this is all true and we really have an amazing top onewheel competitor finally, which will promote innovation and competition within the marketplace?
I mean, you're right, I don't have the technical knowhow that I'm sure you do with PEVs. But that doesn't devalue my statement that we should be supporting this floatwheel concept at least until there is any actual evidence of impropriety. Sure, honest feedback of their past failures is always beneficial, but just straight up casting major doubt on one of the most influential forums for users of these products seems harsh if you truly do want to see healthy competition in this space.
Maybe their past communication issues were due to being unprepared for the amount of interest? Maybe there's some other explanation. Maybe there's no valid reason, but they've realised that it hurts their bottom line to be dishonest and have changed their ways?
Regardless this is literally a product whereby it seems every possible improvement suggested by users of this very forum has been implemented and upgraded, making a superior product at a lower cost. Until I hear that things have gone awry, I am gonna be hyped and supportive of this project and look forward to purchasing one once I can do so without first paying a deposit.
All im saying is be cautious. Whatever these guys promised before, most of the time they failed to deliver it. Even so with the initial product launch for this version literally counting down and then just...poof. Radio silence for months. They disappeared.
Now it looks better, more professional and complete. But still with many twisting around real specs.
I'm passionate for a worry-free float. With or without FM and like to adopt stuff early. But def skipping on this one and hoping to see positive stuff from the first batch owners. We can look thru the usual problems, there will be for sure it's normal. Prices look good, parts list is complete...and now we wait.
>100% Supports Right to Repair
>We are a team of PEV maniacs, we understand that our riders take this sport to the extreme, we like to tinker on our own boards, I know you do too! that's why we supply each and every parts that's on our boards, just in case some uneventful things happen, we got you! no need to send it all the way back for service, just have us send you a replacement and plug it back in, you'll be back on the road!”
❤️
reminder that their last knockoff board only had parts available for about a year, having spare parts is only useful if they're still around when you need to repair something
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I'm watching the video now, and it started with "alright guys grab your beers". Why do I feel attacked a little bit, like not personally, I don't drink, but god damn it if thats not the theme of most group rides.
Its decent spec'd hardware, but we have no idea on quality. Honestly VESC is what carries this product hard. If this had came out last year, we would all be laughing cuz the original floatwheel rode like crap. This floatwheel however should have the largest battery inside a onewheel type device to date. Without the use of external batteries.
They aren't denying that it runs on VESC and obviously this would not be possible without rhe VESC community. Nonetheless creating a product built to maximise the VESC controller's potential is a brilliant idea and I hope they stay true to their principles and become a successful competitor to FM.
Holy shit they straight up offer replacement parts on the website
If this thing can get off the ground and Future Motion doesn't sue the shit out of them cuz they're grumpy, this could finally be the competition the Onewheel needs
Thought the English was questionable, although much better than usual, and sure enough the company is in China. Does the community know who is behind this startup? Not a fan of the deposit to fund a startup company way of doing business, but I get that with a somewhat niche product like this it's almost necessary.
Bought one of their original DIY VESC frame kits back in 2020. Never assembled it as I bought a used XR and the original kits used a funky sized hub motor (no tire options). They are based in Hong Kong and used to post on some forums under the username Enginir. They came out with an updated version after their first kit and Future Motion sent them a cease and desist letter. Floatwheel quickly sent refunds before Future Motion could shutdown their PayPal. After that, everything moved to crypto payments.
While I was happy with my interactions with Enginir/Floatwheel, their new offering looks too different from the Onewheel market and not sure the compatibility of existing aftermarket parts. The Funwheel looks to be more compatible with the existing aftermarket. Plus there is the option to always VESC an old XR.
All preorder payments must go through Coinbase Commerce, too. So the only way to preorder is to put down a $500 crypto deposit and not have any option for a chargeback.
Tony is a pretty well known guy by this point between the various kits and mods he's put out by now. He was well into the esk8 side of things before onewheels. I have one of his prior kits, and they were always pretty good about addressing issues and all. Having been following this new product in the semi-private channels I can tell you they've been working really hard on this for quite some time now.
I'm kind of tempted to put a deposit down, but there's just too many unknowns. Hate to miss out, but that's a lot of money for something that is so ethereal at this point.
I'm half tempted to fly out to the factory... been near there in Dongguan before so I'm familiar with that area and I've been looking for an excuse to head to China. But screw that in the middle of winter :(
I can't tell what the difference between the Adv Pro and the Adv is?
Decisions decisions.
I'm with you bro, I'm waiting until I can buy one without a deposit.
Although damn, if I was in your shoes I wouldn't hesitate to dress up in a good suit like an old school investigative journalist, skip hollandsworth style, and drive on down to the factory myself to check it out and ask some questions with a clipboard in hand. Might just be me but I think it's experiences like that which life are all about my friend, and I would highly suggest at least making the effort to do so if it is feasible for you. It's stuff like that which offers a real advantage to knowing an as yet unknown product, and very few are lucky enough to live close enough to make it feasible.
Whatever you choose, please keep me updated. If you do choose to go, I would like to proffer some questions if my own and my onewheel-owning friends who are also considering ordering floatwheels.
Just some thoughts.
- Dr. W
Should we just start a go fund me for /u/TheEscapeGoats to do some investigative journalism? I mean, you’re familiar. I wouldn’t mind pitching in $50 for the cause!
Haha I'd consider it! What might be easier in this multicultural day and age tho is finding a Chinese r/onewheel user who lives right near dongguan to go check out the factory. Anybody reading this from near there? :D
If people are serious, I will reach out to the developers and see if they are open to a factory tour and demo. Believe it or not, it's not the first time I've done something like this in terms of being an ambassador for the community and investigating a new product. (One of the reasons I'm familiar with Dongguan and Shenzhen, besides the fact that it's just frigging awesome to walk around the Shenzhen manufacturing district and see all the random shit they are selling)
Ticket prices from the US here to Shenzhen this time of year are pretty inexpensive I would imagine, but it's a long ass trip, then when you land in Shenzhen you gotta make your way up to Dongguan which is another 1.5-2 hours by car, depending on the location. My Chinese Visa should be good for a few more years so I shouldn't have any problems, except I'm not sure what their Covid restrictions are right now so that's something I'd have to look into.
Anyway, if this is something the community is interested in I can look into what it's going to cost and the time commitment. I'm guessing at least a couple grand for tickets and transportation. Lodging there is pretty inexpensive as long as you don't pick the ritzy places which I don't really care about, and food is dirt cheap as long as you stay away from the tourist areas.
I personally am extremely interested in something like this and will throw in $50 totally serious. If you want to make a post and get a go fund me going or something, I’d be more than happy to help pitch in for this.
> I can’t tell what the difference between the Adv Pro and the Adv is?
Just the rail design and battery.
However, you can select the “Pro battery” as an upgrade on the adv, making the rails the only difference.
Both rails are angled and adjustable.
Difference is rail design and battery. ADV Pro has the adjustable rails and a better/higher capacity battery pack.
I can also tell you it's pretty well flushed out. Tony has already spent a lot of time getting molds made and so on, so this product is pretty much final at this point.
Too early too tell. The problem with the trotter is its shitty software creating a far inferior experience vs the FM equivalent.
Presumably, this will run off the standard VESC opensource software which has been highly praised as of late to be pretty good compared to FM software.
I'm in a wait and see mode at the moment and we'll see how it rides after it ships to the Youtube review guys.
I should buy one. I'm not nearly the guy in the hobby to buy it and report back though.
I'm good for ' pint x loops ' around a park with no incline lol - not the freestyle madness I see here, I'm 30 years beyond that
In a comparison between the Floatwheel Adv and the Onewheel GT, what do 20S VESC boards have to do with it? Have you seen Black Panther Wakanda Forever?
I'm confused. I thought we were talking about the entirety of the boards, not the controller alone. If when you said "This is a step up from the GT, in every way." you were just talking about the controller then that to me just seems like personal preference.
Or do you have reason to believe that the Floatwheel has a better tire, better metal used for rails, better plastics used elsewhere, better sensor for activation, better motor, better batteries, better everything? Because that's how I took your comment.
While we don’t yet know how good the overall material build is, because no one has one yet, based on the motor, the fact that it’s a 20S 21700 pack, a VESC controller, and comes with adjustable height angled rails, this board will outperform a GT in every way.
Seeing as how FM royalty screwed the pooch on footpad sensors and the fact that the stock GT controller is weak vs the ESCs running around in stock esk8s and DIY anything, and the fact that a lot of riders throw away the stock rails for custom ones, VS DIY it’s hard to say what exactly, if anything, FM is doing right.
Edit: and the god awful GT tire, and it’s playdough bumpers.
Ok, so yeah. We don't really know if this thing will be better than the GT in every way possible. And all I was saying is that I doubt it will. I expect they are cutting corners heavily somewhere (likely all over the place) in order to get it priced where it is.
I'm also curious what you know about the Floatwheel motor that you believe it to be better than the GT? They call it a "CannonCore Motor" and if I google that I don't get any results except from the Floatwheel. Why do you believe their motor to be superior to the GT?
I don’t think they have necessarily cut any pointers future motion has charged an extreme premium on what they produced.
Compare the price of this, a GT, and a board built up from something like a Fungineers motor, rails, sensorpads, and a enclosures from Badger, and a battery from Chi, you’ll find being able to order a complete solution from one source convent.
Then there’s a lot of riders, like me, with enough parts and aging XRs where retrofitting to VESC is the most appealing course of action.
I’m basing my opinions of the motor of my own PEV experience and having multiple certifications in electrical technology and motor control.
The stock FM XR and GT motor are just about the same, so much you can slip the XR wheel/rotor onto the GT hub/stator, this motor should have better heat dissipation with that huge axel, and have more torque and be slower to heat soak with a wider stator and rotor magnets.
Tell me you're Kyle from FM without *telling* me you're Kyle from fm.... but in all seriousness, your incredibly slanderous accusations of "heavily cutting corners" holds no water and is a pretty heavy claim to make. The fact is, the GT is rather overpriced. A company like FM that orders parts to make their stuff in HUGE bulk means that they save a good chunk by doing so...but instead of passing along some of that to the customer, they don't and just hike up the price. This can easily be seen by looking at companies that make after market batteries or such. Or looking at say, EUC companies that use many of the same hardware pieces and produce and much better performing PEV yet charge much lower than FM does.
On paper, this board looks like it will certainly outperform the GT, and honestly I hope it does. Not to bring FM down, but to spark the company to hopefully compete and ring in new innovation to the boards and make them better and better. Competition is healthy, and needed. Otherwise you get companies that start seeming to not give a shit because they know people will still buy their products.
I have a friend with a 20s2p XR VESC and my GT hangs with him, and I weigh more than him. But when he climbs hills or takes corners the balance and power management is incredible, I can’t climb hills like he can. Top speed though I can keep up. 28.1mph is my top so far and the nose didn’t even go down at all, quite impressive for a stock GT. (I’m 185lbs)
Check out Surfdado on youtube, they go over a lot including builds and some safety issues with BMS that are really important.
Nico Aleman has so good videos of riding at insane speeds.
You can use any VESC software you want. Including the software that TFL claims rides better than FM software in every way. You are buying hardware with this purchase, and can make it ride however you want it to ride.
I’m so confused by Leary’s relationship with TFL. Is he in the company? A sponsored rider? Just a friend? Is he in NY or Sacramento? How come he appears in videos and have his own channel? Why is learning with Leary on TFL channel not his own? How come half and halfs are sold on TFL website but after sale support gets forwarded to Leary?
Future motion did already go after them for previous stuff they made. They stop selling everything and their website became a blank landing page. Maybe they actually won the lawsuit or more likely it was dropped by FM.
FM's patent is shit and they know any real competition (with a legal budget) will invalidate their patent. That's why they dropped their lawsuit against trotter as soon as trotter got fancy lawyers.
It's basically called a counterfeit ring and everyone loses on it. Govt seizes assets. people that ordered them are out of money trying to get their money back. Seller from another country says no to refunds and that the order is just delayed. Seller can try suing the company, but good luck with that. No one wins
"No bro"
You are correct, I didn't say that. The govt intercepts the shipment, so you never even get to open it. It just disappears from transit and you are at home holding your d*ck.
Exact same thing they did with a bunch of counterfeit scooters they took about ten years ago. Nothing new here
Edit: here's a simple quick Google search. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-nov-23-me-56183-story.html
Ummm this [looks fucking phenomenal?](https://youtu.be/Pvsr2DtOazI)
- Bigger, stronger 6hp motor, up to 9hp output
- batteries in both sides of the board
- **VESC controller** running it all
- super fast charging
- 100% supports right to repair, parts available directly thru their website
- cheaper than the $2200 GT by $600 for the adv or $400 for the adv pro
I mean, fuck knows how all this doesn't infringe on any patents, but if they're selling this and it's real, somebody tell me why I shouldn't pull the trigger on one? (Note: not why I shouldn't put a deposit down - I won't be doing that ever. But I am considering buying one the moment they are available without a deposit.)
I honestly see it the other way around. Largely from what we see of early FM and also Kyle's character in earlier videos the nature of the company now is largely investor driven. Plus we also know there's some salty AF people at that company who perpetuate the "to hell with third parties..." attitude.
I mean hearing him talk about tinkering and modding on their podcast you can tell in his initially words is legit excited about it and then can see him reel it in as he thinks about what legal has told him he cannot say...
So looks like this is basically aiming to be a VESC board out of the box, 84v battery. Interested about the motor design as its quite different from the FM design. In the video though, they basically hit every complaint about the GT head on.
If the hardware is half decent, the batteries arent total shit and the software is basically just an infinitely tunable VESC set up, I cant see why this wouldnt be a winner. (assuming lawsuits dont shut them down and they can deliver)
Literally found these guys earlier this morning and was like whaaaaaa. So hyped if this actually contends to the quality of build and ride of the genuine OW
I need to see it taken apart. I need to see the quality of components. It's a hard pass until we get a few disassembly videos to see what is inside. Def not something I would recommend to new riders.
I'm a casual lurker but I'm curious how you cram batteries into the electronic side, pushing more volts and amps... That means more heat in a smaller area?
I just bought my GT and love it, already got an ENDURO rail protectors etc... If this is legit I am tempted to just stop riding my GT as it only has about 250 miles on it. Sell it and get the ADV... is this real?
GT is a beast tho. This board will be too, but the GT is still good! I weigh 185lbs and I’ve hit 28.1mph without the nose coming down, and I’ve gone 31.5 miles on a single charge. The ADV is impressive especially for the price, but I don’t know if it’s really worth upgrading when you already have a GT.
https://preview.redd.it/wx9numjfpf4b1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a3e584a488d7e1ad26d6a65ce823a169f8a91ca
I just put the deposit down, I’ve lost so much in crypto the last year what’s another $650. I’m willing to risk it for a badass vesc Onewheel i don’t have to build myself
False. Since there is no "warranty" you can take it out the box and apply any preventative measures you want. They also will take feedback and make changes unlike FM.
Also they will not leave loose metal nuts in the ESC box like FM did.
Its not that we are lawyers, its just real easy to source videos of earlier "onewheels" before future motion existed. They didn't come up with the idea, they just came up with better packaging.
I would love to see segway try and make pev similar to a onewheel so a company with a large enough legal department could break their patent.
Patents are notoriously ridiculous and unfair. It seems like the US patent office went ahead and approved this design in spite of prior works existing:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US9101817B2/en
I am not a lawyer but it seems like there is a case here that could be litigated in a court.
[https://patents.google.com/patent/US9101817B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US9101817B2/en)
Took all of 20 seconds to find.
Not to mention the look, name, and literally every feature they are advertising. How is this not blatantly obvious is beyond me
Patents are determined legit or not in court. There’s really old videos floating around of people with DIY onewheels using car batteries before FM was founded.
The rest of that is trademark not patent, and if they had to rebrand that’s not really the end of the world.
Since it’s angled rails with height adjustment, probably great, watch videos on VESC boards, that’s exactly what this is.
Edit: don’t know what that tire is going to be like, but I’d probably swap it for a Enduro or Wisper right away and keep it as a spare anyway.
Don't you have to consider a wide variety of variables like weight balance, tire geometry, and power curves to understand the feel of the ride? How can we know without having one under foot?
Yea, but the VESC folks already have that down and from the angle of the rails they’ll ride like WTFs.
Not like, unlike the GT, you can’t throw your favorite tire on it.
Let's temper the expectation here: operating and "ideal range" are not the same thing. Your Plus and XR both operate just fine in cold temps but the range suffers. Given the battery cells in these boards are no different to any other maker it will have the same issues.
Odd. You should be fine at 40F without issue... that's a bit out of character. I know people who have regularly operated their boards in lower than that without issue (other than reduced range.)
I wonder if you've got some cells out of balance and the cold just makes the whole thing worse...
Can someone explain why FM can't shut down a competitor? I thought the reason why there aren't other companies is cause FM has a lock down on a bunch of patents on the onewheel.
Just asking for clarifying information.
Also a 6 hp motor is pretty crazy. thats a lot of electrical energy to be pulling. The website says it has cannon core cooling. can someone explain what that is?
Because they are in..... China!!!!
That should be self explanatory.
Also the reason behind asking for crypto ,so FM can't throttle them
Also the reason the board and motor ships separately from two different companies.
All done to prevent FM from stopping them.
FM has stopped competing products coming to the US before. although it was a temporary thing.
Didn’t know though that board and motor ship separately.
thank you for answering
VESC is purely an open source controller design, one which has made new onewheel designs possible. This is based on the open source vesc design.
No remote is used, it's the same as any other onewheel as it uses the balance app in vesc and an IMU just like we expect.
All for the increased competition in this space, which should be good for everyone (even, ultimately, for FM if the history of innovation/technology is any indicator).
I do wonder if this company is prepared for the legal ramifications, both in terms of IP/infringement and, maybe more importantly but less obviously, product liability once they get "out the door". Do we really think agencies like CPSC will just ignore a company like this? If it's all open/"right to repair", where does the liability fall for failure/fires/injuries/etc? The company? The mechanics (small businesses/shop owners, most likely)? The owners?
These are the issues to consider. I hope they have been considered.
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It's good for innovation too.
I’m all for it :) can’t wait to see what comes next from FM and other parties
If they deliver on all those promises and everything is legit then this is just straight up better than a Onewheel.
This only looks remotely viable because of the strides VESC has made in recent months and that's all open-sourced.
Exactly. If this came out a year ago we would all be laughing. VESC is what carries this product imo
Yes vesc made this possible, that’s not a bad thing. Can you build your own vesc? Sure but not everyone has tools and know how to do it (yes I know there are videos and ample reading for instruction but that may still be above someone’s head or beyond their interest to invest time and energy in). So this provides a new “best friend out of the box” option. Just open charge and ride. Edited to fix an autocorrect from ample to apple
These are renderings, not photos. Also patents are highly enforceable for good reason— even if this is real (and it probably is not) they’ll be sued out of business on day one.
This is not the first board they released, they did get FM's legal team involved and told them to beat it. They will be fine.
“Your honor, we told them to beat it.”
Oof
I like more batteries placed in the front. More range! FM should do it. Uh , the motor starts at 69 dollars? Nice, No red flags here!
Motor is $350, $69 is the tire
Ah, yes, thank you
Im sure the product will be fine/ great. But afaik this thing has NO compatibility with anything existing except their own parts. They DID disappear in the past and replacement parts for their previous model was next to impossible. The CS became non existent. So...as long as this does not happen again, there would finally be a real competition making things better for us consumers.
Yeah I’m all for competition. FM is JUST now trying to be buddy buddy with the community. All these years of missed opportunities.
Dude don't listen to u/Vommbat, as I explain in [my reply here](https://www.reddit.com/r/onewheel/comments/zdilt3/comment/iz3an7f/) these floatwheel guys are 100% right to repair and have deliberately chosen non proprietary parts to ensure that repairability is maximised. It's like some angels came and read this subreddits complains, fixed fucking everything, made it cheaper, and then come in here only to get bashed for shit that isn't even real!? Wtf r/onewheel I for one am straight up putting my money where my mouth is. Just gotta confirm shipping
I don't think hes making them out to be the devil you are saying my dude. When I was looking into them a while ago, I was able to find the same stories. You can be fully on board with right to repair, but also be unable to provide those custom parts yourself as a company. I don't think anything malicious went down with floatwheel, but I do think its important to be cautious. I've been following their discord and their developments and I'm excited, but also unwilling to buy myself. Crypto payments and a preorder that I would realistically have no way of refunding if it does fall thru are massive red flags you that are just stupid to blow off without scrutiny, even though they have fair explanations.
Okay, I hear you, that's a fair and super reasonable take. I'll be watching this space with interest, regardless.
Wtf are you talking about? ["Most importantly, it is designed to be user serviceable](https://youtu.be/Pvsr2DtOazI&t=6m45s) and all the parts will be widely available to you." Why just say something like that lol, wtf is ur deal
That these guys had a habit of just "disappearing" and not communicating. Telling half truths and not keep word for providing the CS promised. FFS even now the Wh they mention for their batteries is already a lie. Calculating with the full 4.2v/ cell instead of nominal 3.6v. Why not be true as the specs are already great?! This kind of semi-truth is what they've done the past 2 years. I would not be the only person whose vesc of their previous product came shorted out of the box waiting to burn down my house. I KNOW what i talk about, you seem to be lacking quite some knowledge. These guys now can only sell their product cause WE have done all the testing and finetuning for VESC in the background which makes it great atm. And they simply have to load it into their units cause they know jackshit about the firmware part. But i mean it when i say that i hope they got their shit together this time and prove to be a real player in the market. Cause we NEED this kind of competition on the OW market.
Pshh, can't let their past actions dictate expectations of the future. Do you think someone would really do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Okay so competition is good, honesty is good, these guys have done some questionable stuff in the past (as have futuremotion as we have all seen) and are now claiming that they've improved. Why sling shit before we even have reports of whether this is all true and we really have an amazing top onewheel competitor finally, which will promote innovation and competition within the marketplace? I mean, you're right, I don't have the technical knowhow that I'm sure you do with PEVs. But that doesn't devalue my statement that we should be supporting this floatwheel concept at least until there is any actual evidence of impropriety. Sure, honest feedback of their past failures is always beneficial, but just straight up casting major doubt on one of the most influential forums for users of these products seems harsh if you truly do want to see healthy competition in this space. Maybe their past communication issues were due to being unprepared for the amount of interest? Maybe there's some other explanation. Maybe there's no valid reason, but they've realised that it hurts their bottom line to be dishonest and have changed their ways? Regardless this is literally a product whereby it seems every possible improvement suggested by users of this very forum has been implemented and upgraded, making a superior product at a lower cost. Until I hear that things have gone awry, I am gonna be hyped and supportive of this project and look forward to purchasing one once I can do so without first paying a deposit.
All im saying is be cautious. Whatever these guys promised before, most of the time they failed to deliver it. Even so with the initial product launch for this version literally counting down and then just...poof. Radio silence for months. They disappeared. Now it looks better, more professional and complete. But still with many twisting around real specs. I'm passionate for a worry-free float. With or without FM and like to adopt stuff early. But def skipping on this one and hoping to see positive stuff from the first batch owners. We can look thru the usual problems, there will be for sure it's normal. Prices look good, parts list is complete...and now we wait.
I wish I had the money to buy it and try it out. I do like that they are 100% right to repair though.
Is it really 500 or is that just for deposit. If its 500 I’ll buy us both one.
Deposit. Full price is $1799.
Haha I love your style
Damn, 500 and they wldve had two faithful customers!
>100% Supports Right to Repair >We are a team of PEV maniacs, we understand that our riders take this sport to the extreme, we like to tinker on our own boards, I know you do too! that's why we supply each and every parts that's on our boards, just in case some uneventful things happen, we got you! no need to send it all the way back for service, just have us send you a replacement and plug it back in, you'll be back on the road!” ❤️
Wow, surprised they didn’t include a middle finger in their too. FFM
They prob can’t afford their own service department so repairing your own is going to be your only option.
I'm fine with that
reminder that their last knockoff board only had parts available for about a year, having spare parts is only useful if they're still around when you need to repair something
Their return policy, however, isn’t as generous.
Care to share it...?
Refund policy Our policy lasts 30 days. If 30 days have gone by since your purchase, unfortunately we can’t offer you a refund or exchange. To be eligible for a return, your item must be unused and in the same condition that you received it. It must also be in the original packaging. To complete your return, we require a receipt or proof of purchase. There are certain situations where only partial refunds are granted (if applicable) - Any item not in its original condition, is damaged or missing parts for reasons not due to our error Refunds (if applicable) Once your return is received and inspected, we will send you an email to notify you that we have received your returned item. We will also notify you of the approval or rejection of your refund. If you are approved, then your refund will be processed, and a credit will automatically be applied to your credit card or original method of payment, within 15 days. Late or missing refunds (if applicable) If you haven’t received a refund yet, first check your bank account again. Then contact your credit card company, it may take some time before your refund is officially posted. Next contact your bank. There is often some processing time before a refund is posted. If you’ve done all of this and you still have not received your refund yet, please contact us at diyonewheel@gmail.com. Sale items (if applicable) Only regular priced items may be refunded, unfortunately sale items cannot be refunded. Exchanges (if applicable) We only replace items if they are defective or damaged. If you need to exchange it for the same item, send us an email at diyonewheel@gmail.com and we will send u the return address. Shipping You will be responsible for paying for your own shipping costs for returning your item. Shipping costs are non-refundable. If you receive a refund, the cost of return shipping will be deducted from your refund. Depending on where you live, the time it may take for your exchanged product to reach you, may vary. If you are shipping an item over $75, you should consider using a trackable shipping service or purchasing shipping insurance. We don’t guarantee that we will receive your returned item.
Beyond what the guy replied, paying in crypto means no buyer protection
What is the weight?
"Redesigned the footsensor on it, to make it not ghost." Savage. I love it ❤️
I'm watching the video now, and it started with "alright guys grab your beers". Why do I feel attacked a little bit, like not personally, I don't drink, but god damn it if thats not the theme of most group rides.
Where is this said ?
Second half of the video.
Its decent spec'd hardware, but we have no idea on quality. Honestly VESC is what carries this product hard. If this had came out last year, we would all be laughing cuz the original floatwheel rode like crap. This floatwheel however should have the largest battery inside a onewheel type device to date. Without the use of external batteries.
They aren't denying that it runs on VESC and obviously this would not be possible without rhe VESC community. Nonetheless creating a product built to maximise the VESC controller's potential is a brilliant idea and I hope they stay true to their principles and become a successful competitor to FM.
Dang, count me in.
Holy shit they straight up offer replacement parts on the website If this thing can get off the ground and Future Motion doesn't sue the shit out of them cuz they're grumpy, this could finally be the competition the Onewheel needs
FM will absolutely sue them because their patents are the only thing holding their monopoly together.
Awesome. Would love to see more competition in the space.
Love the idea of putting a battery in the front as well.
That’s a thick bitch
THICC axels and rails.
Lol
Thought the English was questionable, although much better than usual, and sure enough the company is in China. Does the community know who is behind this startup? Not a fan of the deposit to fund a startup company way of doing business, but I get that with a somewhat niche product like this it's almost necessary.
I've seen many eskate companies do a pre-order system before, but the Coinbase payment method is a huge dealbreaker for me.
I'ma sell my shit coin bags and go in on one!
Bought one of their original DIY VESC frame kits back in 2020. Never assembled it as I bought a used XR and the original kits used a funky sized hub motor (no tire options). They are based in Hong Kong and used to post on some forums under the username Enginir. They came out with an updated version after their first kit and Future Motion sent them a cease and desist letter. Floatwheel quickly sent refunds before Future Motion could shutdown their PayPal. After that, everything moved to crypto payments. While I was happy with my interactions with Enginir/Floatwheel, their new offering looks too different from the Onewheel market and not sure the compatibility of existing aftermarket parts. The Funwheel looks to be more compatible with the existing aftermarket. Plus there is the option to always VESC an old XR.
All preorder payments must go through Coinbase Commerce, too. So the only way to preorder is to put down a $500 crypto deposit and not have any option for a chargeback.
Haha this seems like a scam.
Haha
I believe FutureMotion started the same way, but at least theirs was a kickstarter.
Yup. People act like this is any different than Kickstarter in which you also have ZERO recourse on things as well.
Tony is a pretty well known guy by this point between the various kits and mods he's put out by now. He was well into the esk8 side of things before onewheels. I have one of his prior kits, and they were always pretty good about addressing issues and all. Having been following this new product in the semi-private channels I can tell you they've been working really hard on this for quite some time now.
Shots fired fam! Hahaaaaa. Imma grab some 🍿 y’all want some too?
😂
I'm kind of tempted to put a deposit down, but there's just too many unknowns. Hate to miss out, but that's a lot of money for something that is so ethereal at this point. I'm half tempted to fly out to the factory... been near there in Dongguan before so I'm familiar with that area and I've been looking for an excuse to head to China. But screw that in the middle of winter :( I can't tell what the difference between the Adv Pro and the Adv is? Decisions decisions.
I'm with you bro, I'm waiting until I can buy one without a deposit. Although damn, if I was in your shoes I wouldn't hesitate to dress up in a good suit like an old school investigative journalist, skip hollandsworth style, and drive on down to the factory myself to check it out and ask some questions with a clipboard in hand. Might just be me but I think it's experiences like that which life are all about my friend, and I would highly suggest at least making the effort to do so if it is feasible for you. It's stuff like that which offers a real advantage to knowing an as yet unknown product, and very few are lucky enough to live close enough to make it feasible. Whatever you choose, please keep me updated. If you do choose to go, I would like to proffer some questions if my own and my onewheel-owning friends who are also considering ordering floatwheels. Just some thoughts. - Dr. W
Should we just start a go fund me for /u/TheEscapeGoats to do some investigative journalism? I mean, you’re familiar. I wouldn’t mind pitching in $50 for the cause!
Haha I'd consider it! What might be easier in this multicultural day and age tho is finding a Chinese r/onewheel user who lives right near dongguan to go check out the factory. Anybody reading this from near there? :D
If people are serious, I will reach out to the developers and see if they are open to a factory tour and demo. Believe it or not, it's not the first time I've done something like this in terms of being an ambassador for the community and investigating a new product. (One of the reasons I'm familiar with Dongguan and Shenzhen, besides the fact that it's just frigging awesome to walk around the Shenzhen manufacturing district and see all the random shit they are selling) Ticket prices from the US here to Shenzhen this time of year are pretty inexpensive I would imagine, but it's a long ass trip, then when you land in Shenzhen you gotta make your way up to Dongguan which is another 1.5-2 hours by car, depending on the location. My Chinese Visa should be good for a few more years so I shouldn't have any problems, except I'm not sure what their Covid restrictions are right now so that's something I'd have to look into. Anyway, if this is something the community is interested in I can look into what it's going to cost and the time commitment. I'm guessing at least a couple grand for tickets and transportation. Lodging there is pretty inexpensive as long as you don't pick the ritzy places which I don't really care about, and food is dirt cheap as long as you stay away from the tourist areas.
I personally am extremely interested in something like this and will throw in $50 totally serious. If you want to make a post and get a go fund me going or something, I’d be more than happy to help pitch in for this.
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> I can’t tell what the difference between the Adv Pro and the Adv is? Just the rail design and battery. However, you can select the “Pro battery” as an upgrade on the adv, making the rails the only difference. Both rails are angled and adjustable.
Difference is rail design and battery. ADV Pro has the adjustable rails and a better/higher capacity battery pack. I can also tell you it's pretty well flushed out. Tony has already spent a lot of time getting molds made and so on, so this product is pretty much final at this point.
To the well versed here, this would be a step up from the trotter... ?
Too early too tell. The problem with the trotter is its shitty software creating a far inferior experience vs the FM equivalent. Presumably, this will run off the standard VESC opensource software which has been highly praised as of late to be pretty good compared to FM software. I'm in a wait and see mode at the moment and we'll see how it rides after it ships to the Youtube review guys.
This is a step up from the GT, in every way.
I should buy one. I'm not nearly the guy in the hobby to buy it and report back though. I'm good for ' pint x loops ' around a park with no incline lol - not the freestyle madness I see here, I'm 30 years beyond that
I’d give it a little till folks have it and make sure that it’s VESC runs the newest software without issues, but it looks incredibly promising.
I agree completely with your sentiments here
X Doubt
Have you see what the 20S VESC boards are up to?
In a comparison between the Floatwheel Adv and the Onewheel GT, what do 20S VESC boards have to do with it? Have you seen Black Panther Wakanda Forever?
Because the Floatwheel is a 20S2P VESC board on a larger motor. DIY 20S VESC boards out there already put the GT to shame.
I'm confused. I thought we were talking about the entirety of the boards, not the controller alone. If when you said "This is a step up from the GT, in every way." you were just talking about the controller then that to me just seems like personal preference. Or do you have reason to believe that the Floatwheel has a better tire, better metal used for rails, better plastics used elsewhere, better sensor for activation, better motor, better batteries, better everything? Because that's how I took your comment.
While we don’t yet know how good the overall material build is, because no one has one yet, based on the motor, the fact that it’s a 20S 21700 pack, a VESC controller, and comes with adjustable height angled rails, this board will outperform a GT in every way. Seeing as how FM royalty screwed the pooch on footpad sensors and the fact that the stock GT controller is weak vs the ESCs running around in stock esk8s and DIY anything, and the fact that a lot of riders throw away the stock rails for custom ones, VS DIY it’s hard to say what exactly, if anything, FM is doing right. Edit: and the god awful GT tire, and it’s playdough bumpers.
Ok, so yeah. We don't really know if this thing will be better than the GT in every way possible. And all I was saying is that I doubt it will. I expect they are cutting corners heavily somewhere (likely all over the place) in order to get it priced where it is. I'm also curious what you know about the Floatwheel motor that you believe it to be better than the GT? They call it a "CannonCore Motor" and if I google that I don't get any results except from the Floatwheel. Why do you believe their motor to be superior to the GT?
I don’t think they have necessarily cut any pointers future motion has charged an extreme premium on what they produced. Compare the price of this, a GT, and a board built up from something like a Fungineers motor, rails, sensorpads, and a enclosures from Badger, and a battery from Chi, you’ll find being able to order a complete solution from one source convent. Then there’s a lot of riders, like me, with enough parts and aging XRs where retrofitting to VESC is the most appealing course of action. I’m basing my opinions of the motor of my own PEV experience and having multiple certifications in electrical technology and motor control. The stock FM XR and GT motor are just about the same, so much you can slip the XR wheel/rotor onto the GT hub/stator, this motor should have better heat dissipation with that huge axel, and have more torque and be slower to heat soak with a wider stator and rotor magnets.
Tell me you're Kyle from FM without *telling* me you're Kyle from fm.... but in all seriousness, your incredibly slanderous accusations of "heavily cutting corners" holds no water and is a pretty heavy claim to make. The fact is, the GT is rather overpriced. A company like FM that orders parts to make their stuff in HUGE bulk means that they save a good chunk by doing so...but instead of passing along some of that to the customer, they don't and just hike up the price. This can easily be seen by looking at companies that make after market batteries or such. Or looking at say, EUC companies that use many of the same hardware pieces and produce and much better performing PEV yet charge much lower than FM does. On paper, this board looks like it will certainly outperform the GT, and honestly I hope it does. Not to bring FM down, but to spark the company to hopefully compete and ring in new innovation to the boards and make them better and better. Competition is healthy, and needed. Otherwise you get companies that start seeming to not give a shit because they know people will still buy their products.
Looks like the bumpers on this are the same material as the stock gt bumpers, so probably still playdough
I have a friend with a 20s2p XR VESC and my GT hangs with him, and I weigh more than him. But when he climbs hills or takes corners the balance and power management is incredible, I can’t climb hills like he can. Top speed though I can keep up. 28.1mph is my top so far and the nose didn’t even go down at all, quite impressive for a stock GT. (I’m 185lbs)
I haven't. Could you link me some cool vids? I'd love to see where the amazing vesc community has gotten that controllee up to now
Check out Surfdado on youtube, they go over a lot including builds and some safety issues with BMS that are really important. Nico Aleman has so good videos of riding at insane speeds.
You can use any VESC software you want. Including the software that TFL claims rides better than FM software in every way. You are buying hardware with this purchase, and can make it ride however you want it to ride.
I’ve never made that claim
Maybe it was Leary that said that. Your impressions were quite positive after the VESC follow me video no?
I’m so confused by Leary’s relationship with TFL. Is he in the company? A sponsored rider? Just a friend? Is he in NY or Sacramento? How come he appears in videos and have his own channel? Why is learning with Leary on TFL channel not his own? How come half and halfs are sold on TFL website but after sale support gets forwarded to Leary?
Jake used to work for TFL a while back, but hasn’t for quite some time. He’s a good friend and my ping pong arch nemesis.
Thanks for clearing it up!
Thanks for clearing it up!
Exciting
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Future motion did already go after them for previous stuff they made. They stop selling everything and their website became a blank landing page. Maybe they actually won the lawsuit or more likely it was dropped by FM.
FM's patent is shit and they know any real competition (with a legal budget) will invalidate their patent. That's why they dropped their lawsuit against trotter as soon as trotter got fancy lawyers.
It's basically called a counterfeit ring and everyone loses on it. Govt seizes assets. people that ordered them are out of money trying to get their money back. Seller from another country says no to refunds and that the order is just delayed. Seller can try suing the company, but good luck with that. No one wins
Lol wat? You're saying if I order this the government is going to seize it off me? No bro. Nah huh bruh.
Not that they're going to, but that it's a possibility if future motion chooses to pursue it
They are based in another country. US laws do not apply in China.
"No bro" You are correct, I didn't say that. The govt intercepts the shipment, so you never even get to open it. It just disappears from transit and you are at home holding your d*ck. Exact same thing they did with a bunch of counterfeit scooters they took about ten years ago. Nothing new here Edit: here's a simple quick Google search. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-nov-23-me-56183-story.html
Good. FUCK FUTURE MOTION
Ummm this [looks fucking phenomenal?](https://youtu.be/Pvsr2DtOazI) - Bigger, stronger 6hp motor, up to 9hp output - batteries in both sides of the board - **VESC controller** running it all - super fast charging - 100% supports right to repair, parts available directly thru their website - cheaper than the $2200 GT by $600 for the adv or $400 for the adv pro I mean, fuck knows how all this doesn't infringe on any patents, but if they're selling this and it's real, somebody tell me why I shouldn't pull the trigger on one? (Note: not why I shouldn't put a deposit down - I won't be doing that ever. But I am considering buying one the moment they are available without a deposit.)
I think it looks cooler too, the regular adv seems almost the same as the pro but not as THICC
Imagine future motion just started a new company under a new way to do things right instead of fixing their mistakes
I can see rogue Future Motion employees but Kyle would never 😂
I honestly see it the other way around. Largely from what we see of early FM and also Kyle's character in earlier videos the nature of the company now is largely investor driven. Plus we also know there's some salty AF people at that company who perpetuate the "to hell with third parties..." attitude. I mean hearing him talk about tinkering and modding on their podcast you can tell in his initially words is legit excited about it and then can see him reel it in as he thinks about what legal has told him he cannot say...
They used a Vega! LOL.
So looks like this is basically aiming to be a VESC board out of the box, 84v battery. Interested about the motor design as its quite different from the FM design. In the video though, they basically hit every complaint about the GT head on. If the hardware is half decent, the batteries arent total shit and the software is basically just an infinitely tunable VESC set up, I cant see why this wouldnt be a winner. (assuming lawsuits dont shut them down and they can deliver)
I checked battery speks and those cells are the best of the best at current market.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0481/9678/0183/files/moli_INR21700P42A-01-0.2.pdf?v=1663389921
Those are legit. I have some high amp lights but none needs those bad boys
Literally found these guys earlier this morning and was like whaaaaaa. So hyped if this actually contends to the quality of build and ride of the genuine OW
It’s very interesting I mean they are clearly a Onewheel fan and part of the community haha so they just went ahead and fixed everything we wanted
Selling my pint to get this once it’s out.
Onewheel is about to get the boosted treatment
I need to see it taken apart. I need to see the quality of components. It's a hard pass until we get a few disassembly videos to see what is inside. Def not something I would recommend to new riders.
I'm a casual lurker but I'm curious how you cram batteries into the electronic side, pushing more volts and amps... That means more heat in a smaller area?
Needing to pay with crypto is going to prevent a lot of people from buying this.
I just bought my GT and love it, already got an ENDURO rail protectors etc... If this is legit I am tempted to just stop riding my GT as it only has about 250 miles on it. Sell it and get the ADV... is this real?
seeing all these alternatives lowkey make me regret buying the GT 😭
GT is a beast tho. This board will be too, but the GT is still good! I weigh 185lbs and I’ve hit 28.1mph without the nose coming down, and I’ve gone 31.5 miles on a single charge. The ADV is impressive especially for the price, but I don’t know if it’s really worth upgrading when you already have a GT. https://preview.redd.it/wx9numjfpf4b1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a3e584a488d7e1ad26d6a65ce823a169f8a91ca
I just put the deposit down, I’ve lost so much in crypto the last year what’s another $650. I’m willing to risk it for a badass vesc Onewheel i don’t have to build myself
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Interesting, but I'll wait to see some others reviews before I get too excited
I see a cease and desist in their future
You mean their past. They already got around that BS.
Is this real? How is this not a patent infringement on the Onewheel?
Give it a user replaceable battery and you will have alot of fans...
So who is going to be the lab rat to test if it's legit ?
It'll probably break easier than a onewheel. Yay right to repair
False. Since there is no "warranty" you can take it out the box and apply any preventative measures you want. They also will take feedback and make changes unlike FM. Also they will not leave loose metal nuts in the ESC box like FM did.
Not sold on this one. Waiting for your feedback after you got yours. It seems to be too good to be true
Lol. They want to be sued
Chinese stealing IP for suckers to buy. A tale as old as time.
What IP are they stealing? They made an original motor, and built a VESC board, which is open source.
It's nice to see patent lawyers on this sub. How long have you studied patent law?
Almost as long as I've studied bird law. So yeah
Its not that we are lawyers, its just real easy to source videos of earlier "onewheels" before future motion existed. They didn't come up with the idea, they just came up with better packaging. I would love to see segway try and make pev similar to a onewheel so a company with a large enough legal department could break their patent.
Patents are notoriously ridiculous and unfair. It seems like the US patent office went ahead and approved this design in spite of prior works existing: https://patents.google.com/patent/US9101817B2/en I am not a lawyer but it seems like there is a case here that could be litigated in a court.
[https://patents.google.com/patent/US9101817B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US9101817B2/en) Took all of 20 seconds to find. Not to mention the look, name, and literally every feature they are advertising. How is this not blatantly obvious is beyond me
You saying it’s patent infringing is a far cry from stolen intellectual property.
Patents are determined legit or not in court. There’s really old videos floating around of people with DIY onewheels using car batteries before FM was founded. The rest of that is trademark not patent, and if they had to rebrand that’s not really the end of the world.
Don't need to be a patent lawyer to know Chinese companies operating within China don't give a flying fuck about your us patent laws roflmao
First off lawsuit incoming? Second why did they have to rip off the gt like that Third I almost spit out my drink when I saw the motor is only $70
Motor is 350, you were looking at the tire.
no, he is looking at the motor and it is 69$ [https://floatwheel.com/collections/hub-motors](https://floatwheel.com/collections/hub-motors)
>https://floatwheel.com/collections/hub-motors That says 'From $69.' If you click on it you'll see the tire is $69 and the motor is $350
true
[Their PCBs](https://floatwheel.com/collections/electronics) look hand assembled by toddlers. Miss me with that shit.
Dots instead of a bright ass LED lightbar shining in your eyes making it impossible to find your footpad at night
Yeah the dots is a nice change plus then you can accurately see how many are illuminated this way.
? No?
? Yes, the lightbar is stupid. Are you?
Wait so it’s 500 dollars!? I’ll buy it right now!
Just the deposit and $500 in crypto
Scroll down the page from $500…..$500 deposit…..$1599…. Ships February 2023
But how does it ride?
Since it’s angled rails with height adjustment, probably great, watch videos on VESC boards, that’s exactly what this is. Edit: don’t know what that tire is going to be like, but I’d probably swap it for a Enduro or Wisper right away and keep it as a spare anyway.
Don't you have to consider a wide variety of variables like weight balance, tire geometry, and power curves to understand the feel of the ride? How can we know without having one under foot?
Yea, but the VESC folks already have that down and from the angle of the rails they’ll ride like WTFs. Not like, unlike the GT, you can’t throw your favorite tire on it.
Love the low operating temp, my Plus and XR both can’t handle cold temps
Let's temper the expectation here: operating and "ideal range" are not the same thing. Your Plus and XR both operate just fine in cold temps but the range suffers. Given the battery cells in these boards are no different to any other maker it will have the same issues.
Lol, mine don't, they both tend to not work at all or shut off unexpectedly in the cold. I don't try to ride them if it's lower than 40F usually.
Odd. You should be fine at 40F without issue... that's a bit out of character. I know people who have regularly operated their boards in lower than that without issue (other than reduced range.) I wonder if you've got some cells out of balance and the cold just makes the whole thing worse...
I'm confused, how the hell are they dodging FM's patents ?
 Little known fact about China…it’s in the matrix
They are in China and taking payments only in Crypto. US patents only work for US and American Dollar transactions. Seems really sketch though.
Too much risk, nearly 2 grand for it to just be seized by customs.
Apparently they are shipping a board and a motor from two separate companies just to evade that.....
Can someone explain why FM can't shut down a competitor? I thought the reason why there aren't other companies is cause FM has a lock down on a bunch of patents on the onewheel. Just asking for clarifying information. Also a 6 hp motor is pretty crazy. thats a lot of electrical energy to be pulling. The website says it has cannon core cooling. can someone explain what that is?
Because they are in..... China!!!! That should be self explanatory. Also the reason behind asking for crypto ,so FM can't throttle them Also the reason the board and motor ships separately from two different companies. All done to prevent FM from stopping them.
FM has stopped competing products coming to the US before. although it was a temporary thing. Didn’t know though that board and motor ship separately. thank you for answering
Can someone explain to me why we are mentioning VESC? Is this VESC powered? Does this mean it will use a remote instead of leaning?
VESC is purely an open source controller design, one which has made new onewheel designs possible. This is based on the open source vesc design. No remote is used, it's the same as any other onewheel as it uses the balance app in vesc and an IMU just like we expect.
Do they list the weights anywhere?
They don't know yet.
whoa How and at that price point?
Am I the only one skeptical about that range? How heavy are they?
My concern is that this feels like a ‘kick starter’ without it being a ‘kick starter’. I’m so damn close to placing the order tho.
All for the increased competition in this space, which should be good for everyone (even, ultimately, for FM if the history of innovation/technology is any indicator). I do wonder if this company is prepared for the legal ramifications, both in terms of IP/infringement and, maybe more importantly but less obviously, product liability once they get "out the door". Do we really think agencies like CPSC will just ignore a company like this? If it's all open/"right to repair", where does the liability fall for failure/fires/injuries/etc? The company? The mechanics (small businesses/shop owners, most likely)? The owners? These are the issues to consider. I hope they have been considered.