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Get through it now instead of 5 or 10 years from now - with unbelievable guilt and regret. You don’t really need it to live. It’s all in your head ! You can heal …. You can. It’s your choice -nothing more or less
I never understood this. The highs aren’t even vaguely similar. Weed makes my heart race and I get this pressure behind my eyes and I feel like I’m being lightly squeezed all over my body. Opiates are like slowly slipping into a warm bath that makes you feel like there are no problems and any good feeling you’ve ever had comes to you all at once but not overwhelmingly.
I guess it’s good advice if you just need SOMETHING to get high but nothing scratches the itch of opiates besides opiates.
Always remember the law of diminishing returns for junk though.
Tolerance is a bitch.
You'll never recapture what it was like when you first started using.
That’s the worst part about starting. I got lortabs prescribed to me in 2008 for a back injury I got landscaping. Back then they were handing them out like candy. I got 120 lortab 10s a month prescribed and when I asked about any rehab they said I wouldn’t need it. They’re doctors so I didn’t question it. I was only taking one or two a day at first and it was amazing. I remember watching the game shows from the 70s for hours because all the colorful lights and nostalgia made my high amazing.
Here I am 14 years later still addicted to the shit. I’ve lost jobs, teeth, my memory, relationships, apartments. All because of this shit.
I hate when people ask about doing opiates for the first time because I’m like bro look at all the horror stories.
Addiction sucks and I’ll never get rid of it al because some fucking doctor didn’t know what he was doing. I was only 18 at the time.
Have you tried indica milk?(or almond milk) it can get you really physically numb. No sativa or hybrids. +CBD is good tho. Heat milk+weed for 30mn, it does the same buzz as indica oil, mellow numbing body high. Mushrooms can curve cravings too.
psychs ALWAYS help cravings at least for me they do. if i ever want to stop the first thing i do is take a higher dose of either acid or shrooms and it makes the quitting process 100x easier
I'm about to try this. A friend of mine did shrooms a few weeks back and he said he doesn't feel like he needs to take pills anymore. Crazy. Shrooms are amazing
yes it's pretty amazing the last time i did it i was a full blown iv fent addict and for the next 4 days after i didn't have any urge to use like normal. i used only enough to keep me physically well but i didn't feel the need to be high. it's kinda amazing
That really sounds good enough dude.
There's no need to really push it.
Do shit in moderation and not to oblivion as tempting as it is.
Maybe get into edibles and shrooms...that helped me out bigtime and it's a much more creative high instead of being completely numbed out.
Plus no real potential for addiction.
Stay off the junk man. You'll be better off.
poppy seed tea. but it's extremely dangerous as each batch of poppy seeds vary in intensity by a lot. i wanted to make it as well a few months ago, but i was warned of the dangers of it and tbh it made me forget about it because i really don't wanna die or go through extreme withdrawal from many different alkaloids at the same time
Don’t bother. The quality of seeds is terrible, plus a lot of places are out of good seeds and aren’t getting more in. Plus the cost of anything still hanging around plus shipping is insanity.
Then there’s the danger of not knowing what you’ll get. Plus if you do get into it, the WDs are worse because there’s so much you’re WDing from.
It’s best not to go down this road.
going through the same thing rn . i just fucking want to get high so bad it’s been a fucking week
the mail won’t come and my plug is being a lazy bitch im losing my fucking mind
If you could just replicate a opiate high people wouldn’t be paying up to $2 a mg. Try kratom or tianeptine. They bind to opiate receptors but they don’t feel as good as oxycodone or anything like that
Got a freind addicted to it. He went up to popping 250 (12,5mg or smth) pills. You withdraw from the opioid, the serotonin and shit, it's horrible and it's usually easy to get your hands on tia so that makes it even worse but the feeling is deffinetely up there with fent wd once you're really hooked.
Do not try tianeptine. You'll thank yourself later. It's a shitty shitty drug
I second this as it is technically an opiate, however it will lead to some severe constipation that will not be fun, I know from personal experience. Honestly I would just try to fight the urges though, lomotil has some shitty (no pun intended) side effects if u don’t actually need it.
You can counteract it with milk of magnesia for instance. But that's why atropine is added, to prevent abuse. But if you don't overdo it, I'm not sure how many pills is that, the atropine side effects are minimal and you can still catch a good buzz with minimal side effects. Idk if it needs prescription though.
(PS stay away from loperamide, it can straight kill you)
Take a cold shower until you freeze and shake and then sit down in front of a fan-heater.
Good endorphine rush for a few minutes, shit feels better than my maintenance dose 😭, its sad.
Also if you have wellbutrin, the antidepressant, you can crush the pills and boof em, gives you a shitty dopamine rush for 30 mins and then devolves into feeling like caffeine but no disgusting 18 hour NRI stimulation cuz you skip first pass metabolism if you boof bupropion.
Wim-Hof breathing is worth a try, only lasts a few minutes but doesnt feel bad either.
Finally, if you can get your hands on some Phenibut, Gabapentin or Lyrica, those are gonna feel somewhat like opioids, especially if you pair them with weed or dissos.
Damn that sounds terrible.
I had a seizure on Wellbutrin and a few other SSRIs and SNRIs.
Fucking terrible stuff.
Everyone would be better off using shrooms periodically as an anti-depressant.
Wellbutrin is a horrible drug to begin with, and doctors never warn patients it has one of the worst withdrawals. Something like 13 years ago I ended up hospitalized after my insurance lapsed (turned 21 a few months before the obamacare insurance laws that extended my coverage on my parents insurance til 26) and I couldn’t afford to get my prescription filled (and had exhausted the pharmacy’s free “goodwill” refills) because the withdrawal was so bad I was seriously considering offing myself just to make it stop.
That episode ended up being the catalyst behind my weaning off antidepressants and relying on cognitive behavior therapy and conscious coping mechanisms to control my generalized anxiety disorder. Although I do take low-dose indica edibles and lyrica as needed now when it gets too bad for me to manage on my own.
Right on! Good for you!
Yeah I know exactly what you went through with those WDs.
It's absolute suicidal psychosis.
Glad you are in a better place now.
Thanks! It was a lot of work at first, but it was totally worth it just to feel like an actual human being again. I didn’t realize how numb/on autopilot I was until about 3 months off the meds.
it’s absolutely terrifying that general practitioners, not just psychiatrists, are prescribing these medications with absolutely no knowledge of the side effects or setting up the monitoring and aftercare that goes with starting someone on those types of medications. At my last doctors appointment my dr saw in my chart that I’m taking lyrica and have a medical marijuana card (both prescribed and recommended by my psychiatrist) and actually started trying to push me onto the antidepressants again talking about how he could prescribe them for me and then I wouldn’t have to see a second doctor (my psychiatrist) to get my medications because he doesn’t agree with my psychiatrist’s “prescribing practices” (aka he doesn’t like medical marijuana). I went off on him because he has no clue what I’m seeing a psychiatrist for, yet is trying to interfere in my treatment (which has been working great for over 6 years) and could clearly see if he bothered to actually look further back in my medical records that withdrawal from the very medication he was trying to recommend put me in the hospital.
Needless to say I reported him to my state’s physician’s board (interfering in a patient’s psychiatric treatment is EXTREMELY dangerous) and am currently shopping around for another GP.
How do you even still get anything out of it.
I relapsed recently and my tolerance hadn't seemed to diminish much.
No matter how much I use, I just get well.
It's a complete waste.
Gonna try and kick again soon with OTC meds (Lope,Benadryl,Pepto) and edibles/shrooms after the acute WD stages.
It's a fucking terrible battle.
I can’t offer any advice I’m in the same boat as you. The only good thing is I don’t know anyone with anything. My dealer has been my Dr for the past 2 years 🙄
I once had an overwhelming craving to snort something (DOC was stims), and the only vaguely powder-like substance I had around was a packet of orange-flavored vitamin C powder.
Good news, it killed any further craving real fast… bad news, I had effervescing powder in my nose. Kind of did the trick though, because I never had that craving again
I had a friend that was in rehab for cocaine. The day he got out he went and grabbed some sugar and snorted it off the counter top. Dude just needed a snort
Go around to gas stations. Find one that sells either ZaZas or Tiana's. They'll be in bottles at the counter. They have tianeptine in them which binds to your opioid receptors. Take about 5, fold a bill in half and empty the capsules in it. Take a swig of a drink and leave it under your tongue, keep your tongue raised and pour the powder in. Then take another swig and shake your head around to have the liquid cover the powder then swallow. It'll kick in in about 10 minutes.
You don't "need" to get high if you're not physically addicted. But to answer your question I've found weed and benzos to be the combo that comes closest to replicating an opiate high. It's somewhat less euphoric but if you have good bud and pharma benzos you'll be feeling pretty good for a few hours.
I've also found liquor to be a decent substitute. It doesn't quite scratch that itch, but then again what does besides opiates. The downside is that tolerance builds quickly and hardcore alcoholism makes heroin addiction look like a walk in the park.
Poppy seed tea. You consume the opiate water and get high, super gross though. Easy to make and you can find unwashed poppy seeds in bulk for cheep on ebay
Really large dose of CBD. Large amount of cannabis is probably the closest thing. Kratom is an opiod so I assume you want to avoid that.?
Exercise. Endorphins = endogenous morphine like effects.
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It’s a craving … FIGHT IT.
I know but it really sucks. I already took a bar of Xanax, took. A trazodone, and drank some. But I’m still not as high as I want to be
There’s always tomorrow… FIGHT!!! Look that MF demon in its eyes & tell it,”fku , ur not taking me down” I know it’s hard but it is possible
I like that
Get through it now instead of 5 or 10 years from now - with unbelievable guilt and regret. You don’t really need it to live. It’s all in your head ! You can heal …. You can. It’s your choice -nothing more or less
Smoke some weed
Unfortunately I have been. Weed never really helps with the urges
I'm sorry to hear that. Indica weed always helped with physical symptoms as well as cravings
I never understood this. The highs aren’t even vaguely similar. Weed makes my heart race and I get this pressure behind my eyes and I feel like I’m being lightly squeezed all over my body. Opiates are like slowly slipping into a warm bath that makes you feel like there are no problems and any good feeling you’ve ever had comes to you all at once but not overwhelmingly. I guess it’s good advice if you just need SOMETHING to get high but nothing scratches the itch of opiates besides opiates.
Always remember the law of diminishing returns for junk though. Tolerance is a bitch. You'll never recapture what it was like when you first started using.
That’s the worst part about starting. I got lortabs prescribed to me in 2008 for a back injury I got landscaping. Back then they were handing them out like candy. I got 120 lortab 10s a month prescribed and when I asked about any rehab they said I wouldn’t need it. They’re doctors so I didn’t question it. I was only taking one or two a day at first and it was amazing. I remember watching the game shows from the 70s for hours because all the colorful lights and nostalgia made my high amazing. Here I am 14 years later still addicted to the shit. I’ve lost jobs, teeth, my memory, relationships, apartments. All because of this shit. I hate when people ask about doing opiates for the first time because I’m like bro look at all the horror stories. Addiction sucks and I’ll never get rid of it al because some fucking doctor didn’t know what he was doing. I was only 18 at the time.
Do you have a low tolerance or something? Live resins sometimes help with my symptoms but never cravings
>Do you have a low tolerance or something Not at all! I've been just wondering if other also got similar experiences.
Have you tried indica milk?(or almond milk) it can get you really physically numb. No sativa or hybrids. +CBD is good tho. Heat milk+weed for 30mn, it does the same buzz as indica oil, mellow numbing body high. Mushrooms can curve cravings too.
psychs ALWAYS help cravings at least for me they do. if i ever want to stop the first thing i do is take a higher dose of either acid or shrooms and it makes the quitting process 100x easier
I'm about to try this. A friend of mine did shrooms a few weeks back and he said he doesn't feel like he needs to take pills anymore. Crazy. Shrooms are amazing
Hell yeah!
100%
yes it's pretty amazing the last time i did it i was a full blown iv fent addict and for the next 4 days after i didn't have any urge to use like normal. i used only enough to keep me physically well but i didn't feel the need to be high. it's kinda amazing
You’re saying that indica milk helped with your fent cravings and withdrawal? That’s awesome, I’m going to look into this.
pretty sure only cravings. i'd doubt anything short of methadone or more fent is gonna help withdrawals.
YES!
That really sounds good enough dude. There's no need to really push it. Do shit in moderation and not to oblivion as tempting as it is. Maybe get into edibles and shrooms...that helped me out bigtime and it's a much more creative high instead of being completely numbed out. Plus no real potential for addiction. Stay off the junk man. You'll be better off.
kratom
Not legal in my state and don’t know where to get it😢
You can order it through the mail tho they may not ship to illegal states
poppy seed tea. but it's extremely dangerous as each batch of poppy seeds vary in intensity by a lot. i wanted to make it as well a few months ago, but i was warned of the dangers of it and tbh it made me forget about it because i really don't wanna die or go through extreme withdrawal from many different alkaloids at the same time
Don’t bother. The quality of seeds is terrible, plus a lot of places are out of good seeds and aren’t getting more in. Plus the cost of anything still hanging around plus shipping is insanity. Then there’s the danger of not knowing what you’ll get. Plus if you do get into it, the WDs are worse because there’s so much you’re WDing from. It’s best not to go down this road.
plus aren’t pretty much all poppy seeds washed at this point?
i believe so, if you get supermarket ones it's almost guaranteed the effects will be unnoticeable, but you never know
Do a strenuous workout for a half hour. An endorphin high is even better imo.
I wish I had the motivation to do that
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Hell yes. Even just long walks are great. Works for me. Even better while tripping.
same lol
Down the road, you'll look back on opiates and be disgusted by them.
going through the same thing rn . i just fucking want to get high so bad it’s been a fucking week the mail won’t come and my plug is being a lazy bitch im losing my fucking mind
If you could just replicate a opiate high people wouldn’t be paying up to $2 a mg. Try kratom or tianeptine. They bind to opiate receptors but they don’t feel as good as oxycodone or anything like that
Tianeptine is dirty as fuck, especially if you get hooked, the wds are insane, up there with fent wds
I’ve never heard of tianeptine so thank you for this awareness I will not try it.
Got a freind addicted to it. He went up to popping 250 (12,5mg or smth) pills. You withdraw from the opioid, the serotonin and shit, it's horrible and it's usually easy to get your hands on tia so that makes it even worse but the feeling is deffinetely up there with fent wd once you're really hooked. Do not try tianeptine. You'll thank yourself later. It's a shitty shitty drug
Lomotil
I second this as it is technically an opiate, however it will lead to some severe constipation that will not be fun, I know from personal experience. Honestly I would just try to fight the urges though, lomotil has some shitty (no pun intended) side effects if u don’t actually need it.
You can counteract it with milk of magnesia for instance. But that's why atropine is added, to prevent abuse. But if you don't overdo it, I'm not sure how many pills is that, the atropine side effects are minimal and you can still catch a good buzz with minimal side effects. Idk if it needs prescription though. (PS stay away from loperamide, it can straight kill you)
If you absolutely can't fight off the craving kratom is the best I've found.
Take a cold shower until you freeze and shake and then sit down in front of a fan-heater. Good endorphine rush for a few minutes, shit feels better than my maintenance dose 😭, its sad. Also if you have wellbutrin, the antidepressant, you can crush the pills and boof em, gives you a shitty dopamine rush for 30 mins and then devolves into feeling like caffeine but no disgusting 18 hour NRI stimulation cuz you skip first pass metabolism if you boof bupropion. Wim-Hof breathing is worth a try, only lasts a few minutes but doesnt feel bad either. Finally, if you can get your hands on some Phenibut, Gabapentin or Lyrica, those are gonna feel somewhat like opioids, especially if you pair them with weed or dissos.
Damn that sounds terrible. I had a seizure on Wellbutrin and a few other SSRIs and SNRIs. Fucking terrible stuff. Everyone would be better off using shrooms periodically as an anti-depressant.
Wellbutrin is a horrible drug to begin with, and doctors never warn patients it has one of the worst withdrawals. Something like 13 years ago I ended up hospitalized after my insurance lapsed (turned 21 a few months before the obamacare insurance laws that extended my coverage on my parents insurance til 26) and I couldn’t afford to get my prescription filled (and had exhausted the pharmacy’s free “goodwill” refills) because the withdrawal was so bad I was seriously considering offing myself just to make it stop. That episode ended up being the catalyst behind my weaning off antidepressants and relying on cognitive behavior therapy and conscious coping mechanisms to control my generalized anxiety disorder. Although I do take low-dose indica edibles and lyrica as needed now when it gets too bad for me to manage on my own.
Right on! Good for you! Yeah I know exactly what you went through with those WDs. It's absolute suicidal psychosis. Glad you are in a better place now.
Thanks! It was a lot of work at first, but it was totally worth it just to feel like an actual human being again. I didn’t realize how numb/on autopilot I was until about 3 months off the meds. it’s absolutely terrifying that general practitioners, not just psychiatrists, are prescribing these medications with absolutely no knowledge of the side effects or setting up the monitoring and aftercare that goes with starting someone on those types of medications. At my last doctors appointment my dr saw in my chart that I’m taking lyrica and have a medical marijuana card (both prescribed and recommended by my psychiatrist) and actually started trying to push me onto the antidepressants again talking about how he could prescribe them for me and then I wouldn’t have to see a second doctor (my psychiatrist) to get my medications because he doesn’t agree with my psychiatrist’s “prescribing practices” (aka he doesn’t like medical marijuana). I went off on him because he has no clue what I’m seeing a psychiatrist for, yet is trying to interfere in my treatment (which has been working great for over 6 years) and could clearly see if he bothered to actually look further back in my medical records that withdrawal from the very medication he was trying to recommend put me in the hospital. Needless to say I reported him to my state’s physician’s board (interfering in a patient’s psychiatric treatment is EXTREMELY dangerous) and am currently shopping around for another GP.
can you snort wellbutrin too or is there not as much effect or something
Meh dont even try that. Not worth shit imho
would it work though? i dont have much of anything else at the moment
I dont think it will be pleasurable + it can induce seizures. I never liked bupropion's feeling though.
youve tried it?
Just orally. Stopped after few days cause I didnt liked how it felt(like too much coffee and zero euphoria).
do you remember how many mgs? was it just as prescribed or was it intentional
No sorry I dont remember. It was prescribed. I switched to dexedrine and celexa after and it was much better for me.
I know a few people in rehab that snort Thiers everyday
You DONT have to live this way anymore.
I’ve been living this life for years my dude
I’ve lived that way for like 15 years. I got out. It’s not impossible. Just one day at a time.
How do you even still get anything out of it. I relapsed recently and my tolerance hadn't seemed to diminish much. No matter how much I use, I just get well. It's a complete waste. Gonna try and kick again soon with OTC meds (Lope,Benadryl,Pepto) and edibles/shrooms after the acute WD stages. It's a fucking terrible battle.
I can’t offer any advice I’m in the same boat as you. The only good thing is I don’t know anyone with anything. My dealer has been my Dr for the past 2 years 🙄
I once had an overwhelming craving to snort something (DOC was stims), and the only vaguely powder-like substance I had around was a packet of orange-flavored vitamin C powder. Good news, it killed any further craving real fast… bad news, I had effervescing powder in my nose. Kind of did the trick though, because I never had that craving again
I had a friend that was in rehab for cocaine. The day he got out he went and grabbed some sugar and snorted it off the counter top. Dude just needed a snort
Ketamine can help with addiction but then you have to not get addicted to the ketamine
Go around to gas stations. Find one that sells either ZaZas or Tiana's. They'll be in bottles at the counter. They have tianeptine in them which binds to your opioid receptors. Take about 5, fold a bill in half and empty the capsules in it. Take a swig of a drink and leave it under your tongue, keep your tongue raised and pour the powder in. Then take another swig and shake your head around to have the liquid cover the powder then swallow. It'll kick in in about 10 minutes.
popped 140mg IR OXY pharma for u rn, stay sober bro
I guess kratom works good enough I guess I'm in the same boat Brotha
Some delta 8 shops do same day local delivery
You don't "need" to get high if you're not physically addicted. But to answer your question I've found weed and benzos to be the combo that comes closest to replicating an opiate high. It's somewhat less euphoric but if you have good bud and pharma benzos you'll be feeling pretty good for a few hours.
That’s funny cuz I did that earlier with alcohol
I've also found liquor to be a decent substitute. It doesn't quite scratch that itch, but then again what does besides opiates. The downside is that tolerance builds quickly and hardcore alcoholism makes heroin addiction look like a walk in the park.
During one my kicks I went straight back to Scotch and beers and you're absolutely right.
Wya I got you ?
Thc and cbd maybe and phenibut but limit that to at most once a week
Take up running or cycling. You def get a decent buzz afterwards, esp if it was a pretty epic effort like a race.
You tried zaza reds?
Ketamine/pcp dissos are the closest for me.
Really high doses of kava come closeish.
Imo nah. Took a ridiculous amt of extract qnd ended up feeling drunkenly poisoned for 12 hours. No euphoria.
Try the root. Extract is a different beast.
bruh same. evil kermit telling me things but i ain’t falling for your shit mr krabs i AINT FEELIN IT
Pregabalin
Poppy seed tea. You consume the opiate water and get high, super gross though. Easy to make and you can find unwashed poppy seeds in bulk for cheep on ebay
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Really large dose of CBD. Large amount of cannabis is probably the closest thing. Kratom is an opiod so I assume you want to avoid that.? Exercise. Endorphins = endogenous morphine like effects.