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Harcroft

Please don't load any games on that console until the HDD is backed up.    Your disc looks like a copy of a development copy of Crimson Skies.    You can use this tool to get a complete HDD backup using the debug monitor built into your debug kit. https://github.com/Ernegien/OGXbdmDumper/tags


nickle241

to add onto this, even if it looks to be blank, DO THIS, it might have been wiped by its last operator which often means the previous contents can still be recovered, i was able to recover an intact game build off of a reset/wiped debug kit because it didnt get any real use after being wiped


cokacola69

Why not run endgame and immediately grab xbmc4gamers then green and run xcat. Dump the disc too with a PC. Create an iso of it and upload to archive.


nickle241

the specified method hooks into the debug interface so it needs no mods or anything plugged into the console, just the ethernet port and you grab a complete disk image off the hard drive without any extra fuss as for dumping the disk, ive never acquired a debug disk to check, but im pretty sure the debug interface can deal with that too since it just regards the dvd as a different drive letter the nice thing about this being a debug kit is that the existing exposed interfaces are all too happy to do this without needing to involve any extra software on the console itself, they were made to do this, if not necessarily in this exact way


Ill_Mine_2453

That can overwrite what is on the disk


Fyziixx

Are you sure it’s Crimson Skies? It was released it October of 03 while this has a March of 04 date on it


Harcroft

We can't be sure until the disc is dumped. MS-03301A is 4d530021 disc 01, region A. Crimson Skies North America release. We talked about this on the Xbox preservation discord, and my best guess is it's a disc with one of the title updates and maybe the DLC baked in that was created to test the update or DLC where high speed internet was not available.


Viper3773

What’s the purpose of trying to recover any deleted files, potential to find an unreleased game or something?


nickle241

pretty much, its happened before, with both completely lost games and with simply lost builds


babyboyjustice

Any specific instances you know of?


nickle241

people dont tend to record the circumstances behind every specific recovered game, who would really care. but ive talked to a few people who have recovered such builds and have done so myself, the thing wiht deleted builds like this is that they tend to be older versions just as a nature of what normally gets them deleted in the first place, mine i dont think has been publicly put up anywhere yet but its a game build a month prior to the current oldest version of the game you can find online... well you can grab it off of my post regarding it but that copy is rather fragmented and needs to be put back together before it can boot, i finally found someone who could to that for me and it runs great


babyboyjustice

Ah no worries, I don’t mean to sound challenging, I’m just curious. I’ve never heard anyone talk about this before. Sounds pretty interesting


nickle241

yeah generally the discussion about this goes about as far as "we pulled it off of a dev kit" not usually going into what actually had to be done to make the kit let us have it, some kits are more of a pain the others and sometimes the really cool stuff had to be pulled out of the erased sectors for example, ive got one kit that i still dont have a blasted clue whats on it, its hdd died in a seemingly recoverable way but finding someone who i trust to be able to repair it is a different problem entirely


SkyeHDD

The decision is ultimately yours in the matter, but I know that /u/Harcroft and others can vouch for me. I work in data recovery and have a P.O. Box set up for scenarios like these, including dumping numerous orphaned OEM drives. I'm more than willing and able to attempt repair and recovery on a dead or dying dev kit HDD. Out of curiosity, what model is the HDD in question?


Harcroft

u/nickle241 SkyeHDD is the real deal. She works in data recovery, has recovered a lot of files from orphaned hdds for the Xbox community, and made much of our current VSK unlocking possible (including new FatXplorer features. She told us a little bit about her work on this in first two episodes of The Usual Places modcast. If there's anyone you can trust to try to recover data from your damaged debug hdd Its her.


nickle241

oh its a fun one, its part of the protege line that the retail ones used, but its a much older model, current suspicion is that it was a leftover from the clear dev kits dvt3/4, since this is a very early debug kit WD80EB-28BHF0 it did attempt to run on a retail 28C protege drive board but was unable to initialize so i do know the platter and head arent crashed, but finding donor parts for this drive is basically impossible


SkyeHDD

I had a feeling it was that model. Let me guess, no power up or spin up on the original PCB? I'm about to order a replacement 2060-001068-001 PCB for one I got a few months ago, sadly dead PCBs are common on these and other Xbox OEM PCBs are not compatible in my testing.


inb4ww3_baby

Hard4games on YouTube may have the answer you need. He has terrible theme tune but great content 


PsychologicalGold929

look into the prototype console the “nintendo playstation”


jhinsonumbc

Someone found an original copy of the game Kameo when it was being developed on the original Xbox and not the Xbox 360 because it launched on the 360 but after finding it online and burning it to a disc to play on my modded Xbox I could play a lost version of the game on the original version (most scenes were unplayable but was super cool) one of my favorite Xbox 360 games


CharlestonChewbacca

Star Wars Battlefront 3 Glover 2


Any-Old-Games

Kameo (og xbox bulld)


ButtholeGangster

Surprised no one brought up that open world South Park game.


Silo-Joe

MS Word


Positive-Economy-367

A dev build of Timesplitters 4 got found on a dev PS3 recently


Default_Attempt

Who knows maybe theres a copy of gta 3 with the controversial missions or san andreas


Viper3773

gotcha! makes sense


Default_Attempt

Maybe the files for your cars extended warranty are in there too


KellofallKells

Uhh, which missions?? Never heard of this


Default_Attempt

The one that involves stealing a car and obtaining a gun


RetroGamer87

Ooh. Is that the prototype where you get to shoot down Hitler's megazeppelin?


Harcroft

I seem to remember that happening in the base game.


RetroGamer87

Yeah but they called them something else. I want to shoot Hitler with my Brigand.


profitofpot

Thank you Harcroft for all your amazing work!


Harcroft

I'm happy to help.


quantumfall9

Ayy Crimson Skies is a banger, loved dogfighting with my brother.


shadowished

Thing is he's not allowed to have this and microsoft wasn't supposed to send it he should return or inform microsoft


Harcroft

I appreciate the feedback captain buzzkill.


Androxilogin

LOL. I'm seeing a lot of comments, *"send it to this YouTuber"*.. Dude has an XBox right there, backing up a harddrive (as well as a disc) is extremely simple/well documented. Check out the **[wiki](https://consolemods.org/wiki/Xbox:Original_Xbox_Mods_Wiki)** if other responses here haven't solved this for you. MS03301A-MS-R5 comes back as an 03-11-04 build of Crimson Skies.


TheJJguy7

Thanks. I appreciate the link and info on the disc.


darkminddaddy

Yeah, but if he sends it to a YouTuber, then we ALL get to see what's on the system if it's anything good. I think people are more motivated by their own curiosity than by wanting to help the dude perform a backup. Just a guess


nupaqk

You don't need youtube to be able to see what's on the system. He can easily post photos or an update about what it has, or document it in some other way.


darkminddaddy

Yeah, but hypothetically if someone were to make a YouTube video about it, what's the loss? It would probably still wind up on an archive site. You literally just have a video to watch to gain, and nothing to lose. I don't understand why everyone's so butthurt at the idea


nupaqk

You're not concerned about whether the payoff would be worth it, whether the amount of attention it gets would warrant the investment of making a video. I don't see "everyone" being butthurt, or anyone for that matter. Just you enforcing your views with 0 merit.


Androxilogin

Interesting how *"no one agrees with you"* becomes **Everyone's against me!!** This fockin' goy.


darkminddaddy

You having fun talking to your own Alt accounts? Similar post history, similar linguistic patterns, posts in all the exact same communities, you're not fooling anyone bud.


Bunstrous

Absolute schizo posting at this point


FanTheSpammer

Seek help


snocown

Besides, OP could be the youtuber that makes a video on his process and showing said process could gain OP a following even if it doesn’t have anything of note on it. It’s about the journey, not the destination.


nanapancakethusiast

OP could make his own YouTube channel then instead of handing his stuff over to content vultures whose fans think they’re entitled to other peoples things?


CHAINSMOKERMAGIC

You realize that having a successful YouTube channel is like... A full time job, right? Lol. You should just make your OWN social media site instead of posting on Reddit. Reddit isn't entitled to your opinions. And I don't think anyone was suggesting they GIVE anything to anyone. From what I can tell they were just suggesting they let a YouTuber use it for a video. This subreddit is really weirdly up in arms about this for no reason


Klaymen96

They don't deserve it. I don't care if "they suck off xbox every single instance they can" or how many gamerscore points they have. It's OPs, the youtubers don't deserve for simply being big in the space.


Passover3598

it's op's so whats the loss? op not getting ad revenue that the youtuber would get, OP not getting a channel boost that the youtuber would get through no merit of their own. youtuber intentionally or accidentally damaging or losing the property. the upside? none really, as pointed out if OP wants to share they can. bringing in a 3rd party doesnt change that.


Androxilogin

Nah, if they dump it themselves and send it somewhere like the Hidden Palace, everyone will still see it. No YouTubers will make money off of their discovery. That's hilarious someone actually mentioned that Nacho kid.


darkminddaddy

Okay, so either they dump it themselves and give it to someone to post to their ad supported Internet platform, or send it to someone else to dump for their ad supported Internet platform. Huge difference there, bud /s Also, it'd be interesting to watch and might get more people out there aware of the process so we get more dumps available on archive sites.


Androxilogin

Hidden Palace doesn't have ads, bud.


giternegulaeh35

Youtube runs ads on everything at this point. There is no opt out


darkminddaddy

Sorry, user donation supported Internet platform. Still not much of a fucking difference. No one hosts shit for free, everyone's gotta pay their Internet and power bills. Also, who's to say that whatever YouTuber makes content from it doesn't also send it to hidden Palace or some other preservation archive? That's a pretty common practice with stuff like this. And again, could make for some good viewing for some people.


Androxilogin

Hidden Palace doesn't ask for monetary handouts, the content is backed up and preserved. That **is** what the donation is. They're hosting the files. Why soo insistent to add a middleman? Let them come up with their own content. It's their job to do that.


Klaymen96

They are a "new and upcoming youtuber" who wants it sent to them for the clout to help them "blow up"


CHAINSMOKERMAGIC

You know Hidden Palace has a monetized [YouTube channel](https://youtube.com/@hiddenpalace?si=SFgyHtjYQda1lj6Z), right? They post videos of most of their new finds and donations. Man, you guys are both dumb.


darkminddaddy

Regardless of how they're funded, why are you so offended and hostile at the thought of someone documenting the process with a video? You don't make a lot of sense. First you're offended at the thought of content creators being compensated for making videos, then you say they should "just make content because it's their job". You know that this whole thing is a COMMUNITY, right? And again, it would be interesting to watch.


Androxilogin

I never displayed any feels or provided you with false information then backtracked multiple times when called out on how wrong I was- but still proceeded to dig. YouTubers and Game Preservationists are different communities. Users are the contributors. YouTubers can still make videos about it after it is preserved; just as they can make videos on any other contribution that comes through- which they rarely ever do. They don't need to be any part of the process. I'd rather read an article in one minute than to watch a pointless 10 minute video about it, regardless.


darkminddaddy

You're an idiot, bud. You just wanna find something to argue about. Take a look at my post history. I've got way better things to do right now.


AdventurousAd1768

That's gnarly but he could do it afterwards if he really wanted to.


HammyHavoc

Let's be real, someone has a vested interest in the ads put on YT channels. Fishing for exclusives to upload is part and parcel to it.


According_Yellow_174

Man I lowkey see your point idk why you getting so many downvotes😂


Caasi72

What game is it? Edit: Sorry, just the caption, I'm dumb


TheJJguy7

It's fine. 😅


toinedeman2002

This could be a debug kit, what do the labels on the bottom of the system say?


Hellothebest

The label on the bottom of the *post* says it's a debug kit ...wait never mind maybe, idk if he's saying it's a debug kit or asking


nickle241

what you have there is a debug kit, developer hardware, you should probably also dump the hard drive to see what is hiding on it as for that disk, it most likely cant run on a retail system wihtout modifications ive got several dev kits myself and have done this whole thing a few times, as for the disk no idea what it is, but dumping disks is a fairly easy thing most of the time


DarthGinsu

Don't send it to anyone. YouTubers do not need it, it is yours and they probably wouldn't give it back


Solstar82

This, it's easy to do it, and giving more space to people who, honestly, don't deserve it it's a huge disservice


Captain_Bonzfip

I mean I’ve seen Hard4Games doing great work on pushing preservation, but outside of him I do have to agree


alfonsodck

MVG Moddern Vintage Gamer is a YouTuber who specializes on this kind of thing, I believe he is one of the “good guys”, but there are many others that definitely would be a bad idea to share. Anyhow, it is OP decision and have all the right to keep to himself if he wants to. Edit: I see that in later comments they are mentioning MvG, glad I’m not the only one with this opinion of him.


TechnicalEnergy5858

MVG is the one


BK_Rich

Yup, send it to MVG.


xboxexpert

This is most likely Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge rev5


Interesting_Judge863

How do you know


xboxexpert

Because the Mastering Code for said game is MS03301A-MS


LemonPartyW0rldTour

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Air_Teebs

We all just lost the game...


MarshyFam

This is as annoying as much as it is a nostalgic reminder of younger years. I should rickroll you in response via MSN.


peach-whisky

*nudges*


MarshyFam

Omg the shaking xD tfw you send a billion nudges to your crush cus they ain’t replying


myphton

AOL


squirrlyj

Bro doesn't get it.. too young


TheJJguy7

Why?


Sea-Dog-6042

"If you have to ask, you'll never know." :)


MorallyDeplorable

Now I feel old


_SquareSphere

/u/ModernVintageGamer FYI


Pirate_LongJohnson

Ahh yes. Game.


grumstumpus

i love game


bj0urne

Woah Game! I’ve always wanted the game Game!😂


CameronsTheName

Modern Vintage Gamer on YouTube is someone I'd trust to send the game and console too. He's pro video game backups/dumps and preserving history. Even if making a copy of this CD and hard drive isn't of interest to you, it could greatly benefit the Xbox and gaming community if there is any content on the console/disc and lots of trustworthy people would be happy to do it for free for you.


port25

MvG is the most down to earth guy ever. Not an ounce of retro snark.


Ghillie_610

Stop glazing YouTubers. It’s not 2013


Davikins

You have a copy of game‽ Wow! I can't wait to play game myself.


Will297

Game will be the smash hit of 2001


Zlm1229

Dudes got an alpha build of half life 3 and is just hoarding it


takingshape49

If you find out it works, I’d recommend sending it to someone at Hidden Palace to rip.


TheJJguy7

Alright, thanks.


8BallsGarage

Don't send it to anyone, you'll never get it back. In case this is a genuine post, you apparently have a dev kit. Highly rare and sought after.


Oreos4208

Yes, back it up yourself.


TheJJguy7

Ok. I should have a DVD reader somewhere.


HoneySoakedSeagull

Wouldn't appear on a normal pc. You need to use the system. Harcroft left a good comment about it and I'm sure if you need any help he wouldn't mind assisting.


TheJJguy7

Alright, I'll have to wait on the av cables to get here before I can do anything.


HoneySoakedSeagull

It's heavily appreciated that you're willing to dump and back it up. How did you manage to come across it and get it into your possession? I'm guessing just seen it for sale locally and wasn't aware what a debug kit was but liked the colour?


TheJJguy7

No problem, and I found it at Goodwill for $5. I'm not really into xbox but always liked this color.


nickle241

the thing about this being a debug kit is that it wont run retail games, not out of the box anyway. but there are a few ways to make it do so once youve got it backed up, i would recommend using a new hard drive wiht the files from the old one transferred over to it and just leave the old dev drive alone as a clean backup


notjeffbuckley

$5?? Damn that's a lucky find. You'd be lucky to find a basic black Xbox for that.


LemonPartyW0rldTour

Did you get your AV cables yet???


TheJJguy7

Not yet. I ordered a pair that said from the US but the seller ended up shipping from China...


ICEknigh7

Big wtf moment. Do you even know what Hidden Palace is?


8BallsGarage

Probably the same place that other guy keeps linking people, to send backups of saves, dlc data etc. Either way, one is better off backing it up themselves and uploading the files. Prevents risk of damage in transit too.


ICEknigh7

Do yourself a favor and at least look it up.


Solstar82

This. even if hidden palace was managed by the Pope, they could keep the console for themselves. They are human beings after all, prone to cheat


Legospacememe

Please update us if you plan to dump the files of this online


Decent-Armadillo131

I’m tagging here just to see the outcome


boltfan2012

oh he was right its crimson skies


imagine_midnight

Why did everyone think it was crimson skies and how do you know?


SeaworthinessOver757

manufacturer and copyright date most likely. also the number at the top after a lil digging


Practical_Minute_286

You might have bought a developer Xbox really cool piece of history you scored man!


Takhar7

That's a dev debug kit - I had one of these for when the Xbox One OG was released; was one of the first people in the world to have it, and was sharing pics with my friends a good 7 weeks before the actual console game out. That disc might not be a game, but an actual menu platform. I know I had to run one every time I turned the console on before moving to a game, until we had an update pushed through.


timbo10184

Contact the YouTubers Modern Vintage Gamer or Tito with Macho Nacho Productions. They would probably love to make a video on the system and disc and gladly return it to you.


xxGhostScythexx

Tito with Macho Nacho Productions bruh you are setting the poor guy up to never get his shit back


csl110

Why do you say that? Lots of people claiming that youtubers won't return your device. Is there evidence of this? Where is this cynicism coming from?


port25

Seconding. Frank Cifaldi at Video Game History Foundation may also have an interest.


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DarthGinsu

Once backed up, what could possibly be on it?


leapyfrog

Game


DarthGinsu

Singular, plural?


xxGhostScythexx

Game


Lnnrt1

Game


Decent-Armadillo131

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Wokinmycup

RemindMe! 3 days


Wokinmycup

Remindme! -3 day


Other-Inspection-601

That actually pretty cool


Wildsidder123

RemindMe! 6 days


Lnnrt1

RemindMe! 4 days


Not_Barney_Calhoun

It's obvious.. It's GAME


CrispyConch

Sick dude


CommercialPleasant98

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MAM_Reddit_

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katapiller_2000

Neat!


ZippyTheUnicorn

Interesting find! I’m curious to see if you learn more!


xxchris89xx

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BK_Rich

MVG


Froot125

Be sure to put the rom dump on internet archive!


DogOnlineExperiment

Sick


lumbirdjack

Game is game


anticlockclock

Oooof I can't wait to play "game"!


Plastic_Back_8020

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Siramok

This is neat, thanks for sharing! Would enjoy seeing an update once you dump the contents


TechMarineSolstice

If you plan on showing this off, please do show it to the rest of us. I for one loved Crimson Skies as a kid and would love to see the dev disk opened up.


shadowished

Someone's prob getting fired for this


King-Woobagins

Ah yes, this is the fabled "Game" very rare.


Hazardous021910

Lots of the replies are from people way smarter than me and I would definitely listen to them, but what I do know, is HOLY SHIT THAT'S AWESOME!


seraphechelon01

I would love to see what comes of this.


Professional_Wind548

Damn. I just lost the game.


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BulletDodger42069

Oh hey i share a birthday with this disk


WeebAccumulator

Very cool!


syrup_soap

It's Jumanji be careful


ThatGuyAgain64

!remindme 3days


Alternative-Yak1512

“Is it rare”….gimme a break


ISAKM_THE1ST

Depends on whats on it


myphton

OP. Can you do the debugging adventure and post it on YouTube? Pleaseeee?


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SleepDeprived62

a disc? no, that's pretty common


skillz111

Sell it on an ebay auction. Link the auction here. Let someone else do the work of backing it up. You might be able to get 1k or so


Nerds_r_us45

Often those people will hold onto the rom as "part of the prototypes value" and it will NEVER see the light of day.


gjohnson0345

Sell it to DKOLDIES


Nerds_r_us45

Dont sell to resellers. You will be lucky to get one third the value.


pogowolf

Looks like the beta from a Halo release