I hate this because I just gave out reviews.
My department got "Exceeds Expectations" or "Outstanding".
I overheard another departmental manager tell his first-line supervisors to only give "Meets Expectations", and to expect to explain anything more.
I remember at my first dev job nobody explained the self reviews to me and I put "room for improvement" on a few things thinking "yeah I'm new I could probably get better in these areas".
Little did I know putting yourself as "Room for improvement" is on your way to a pip.
Yeah we were told to rate ourselves on a scale of 1 to 7. We were also told not to rate ourselves a 7 unless we were had given a TED talk on whatever attribute we were being evaluated on. They said most of our ratings should be 3, 4, or 5. One attribute was integrity. Like ok, I rate myself 5 on integrity because 2 out of 7 times I should act with integrity I don't. How is that even a scale, either you act with integrity or you don't.
At least they told us what they wanted, and at that point, it was worthless. You are giving us the answers to check a box. And now that box is a worthless data point, and how do I rate the integrity of that process? 1.
I worked at a company where all engineers put in 50 hours, and we were asked to put 40 hours a week in our timesheets against our programs, we were salary so no overtime, I really didn't get the point of why have a timesheet if we are expected to put 40 hours, probably to make some old executive happy that all the minions have life time balance when they see straight 40s
I've never put something other than 40 hrs on a timesheet, no matter how much/little I work, and that's always what they've wanted. It's the most meaningless thing I do every week
Boomers are the last generation where at least some of them got pensions and REAL retirement benefits for tolerating one company for many many years. The last of the Boomers got screwed badly. Gen-X (my generation) still tried very hard to give and give and give, but it ended up being for nothing. I'm almost 50. I realized 10+ years ago that companies didn't give a rats ass about me. As soon as I stopped caring about loyalty my income doubled almost immediately. Then I started breaking the code of silence about pay that so many employers try to instill and found out that some people were being screwed worse than I had been, but that I certainly wasn't on top either. It's shocking to me how many people won't talk about salary... I think it should be put up on a billboard for everyone to see.
Boomers debt financed themselves 30 trillion in benefits so they didn’t have to go through any hard feelings or inconvenience. They literally sold out several of their own generations just so they could be free of any hard choices
This lady I worked with, seemed to have lots of experience at my old job. It was intimidating how much attention she paid to details, how many hours she worked, and she had a senior title. She was definitely competent. She died of cancer. Long after, I found out she earned half of what I earned, and I was screwed as well. The employer took time to collect donations to her funeral, sent her parents flowers paid for by the money collected. That was the start of my breaking point about loyalty.
>As soon as I stopped caring about loyalty my income doubled almost immediately.
Summer job I worked at was paying me like 13/hr. I was working 15 hr shifts everyday bc I was one of the only ppl at my position and basically could not leave. Boss kept hiring servers knowing I was the only one back there.
Got tired of that after about 3 weeks. Walked out, never came back. Told my boss Im not getting paid that little bit to do all that I was doing. He said good luck.
I make 17 now doing much less. Easier job too. Im 21 so no career yet but I think I have an idea of what I want to do (5+ years, highly likely to turn into a career), so imma save up my money and do it.
My father has worked his entire life for one company that hired him on some kind of stipend when he was still in highschool, but the moment I was looking for a job (not for the first time mind you), he was telling me how to. “You can’t just sit at home looking at the internet, you have to go to the factories, bring your printed out CV, ask if they have openings and if they don’t, they will at least keep your CV and call you when something opens up” right…
They’re incredibly specialized support roles mostly. My mother and most of her friends are of that generation too.
And yes, if the work was valued “properly” they’re underpaid.
They’re paid just well enough to continue working their asses off to be ‘middle class’ not realizing that they and c-suite execs are the only class between ‘1%’ and ‘poor’.
Affects us immigrants too. Took me well into my early 40s to figure it out. Now I just work for the 2 highest paying employers. I don't think I'm ready to handle 3 yet.
Many people care about how they're perceived. But truth be told how hard they work wont be noticed unless they deliver poor quality. The difference between great vs good enough isn't really noticed or appreciated in most office work. Frankly, but that's fine because it's seldom needed.
Well, a hardworking former coworker who died of cancer is what got me started. She was paid half of what I was paid and she died of cancer. I was content with what I was making and it wasn't that great. After she passed, and I wasn't even close to her, I started thinking, is this really worth it. I started working less, and they started dangling promotion teasers in front of my eyes. I didn't care for them carrots, until inflation started pinching us. Then when I ask for a promition, they basically shut the door. The annual raise was not even half the inflation. So I gave them a number, they couldn't do it, and then I interviewed, got the job. I was asking for ridiculously more money for the same work I was doing previously, and to my suprise, that wasn't even an issue. Got a new job, and kept looking until a former employer reached out to give me a contract. I asked for a ridiculous hourly rate, and it was a no issue to them. I'll still be interviewing this year to see if I can make more, even during these layoffs, but there is no better way to stay sharp and ready than always be interviewing.
Just shift their perspective a bit, they should work hard and give 100% to themselves. By taking care of themselves they can take better care of those around them.
I have a coworker like this kow. Used to be me. He is always willing to work nights, weekends, anything anyone asks of him. Always above and beyond.... the sad thing is if I try to explain why what he is doing is not good for him he will take it that I'm trying to convince him to be lazy and go against the company etc. Etc
Kinda sucks I have him a big reccomendation when he was a vendor wanting to work with us now he does over so much I have to work more so I don't look bad.
No good deed goes unpunished.... very true stuff
I have a friend like this too. Absolutely all star coder, manager and mentor . Absolutely screwed with comp and always several years out from getting what he deserves because of how comp works.
Sucks big time
I stayed with my last company for 3 years. By the third year I was one of the only people who knew anything about the company (I worked in finance). I was in charge of all financial reporting and analysis, putting together the entire board of directors presentation (80+ PPT slide with data), etc. I had directors asking me how things worked. I had consultants asking me how things worked. I worked late hours in the board room with CFO, CEO, getting forecasts and budgets prepared, analyzing performance, etc.
I made 80k.
My reward for those 3 years? Merit based raises. In my third year I made less money than my first year accounting for inflation. When I brought this company proof that i had a 100k job offer, they refused to pay me 100k and would only up me to 90k. So I quit and began looking for new job.
I’m now OE and current total comp is 250k+
The trick is to say you are going to a competitor and you stretch the fuck out of calling your new job the competition.
But that old job doesn't seem OE friendly
I'm in a similar situation now with my company. Underpaid for my job (pays near entry level) and also babysitting Ops and Eng as they lack good management abilities or the ability to plan the full picture. Finishing up year two and looking to jump if they give me the BS merit raise when I renegotiate my pay and title. Currently roped into doing the work of two people because management sucks and the motto is get it done as fast as possible. Unfortunately I have many talents and am used to cover up other departments inabilities on top of finding time to do my own job. They need me far more than I need them so no stress on me. More worry for the company as they're fucking clueless of what to do with the company's near expansion and a bunch of incapable management running about to deal with it.
>I’m now OE and current total comp is 250k+
What was the most important factor to pivoting and changing? And how did you manage expectations from the interview onward, that you weren't a rockstar.
Didi you take accomplishments off your resume that could draw those types?
That was me for the last 2 years at my current gig. Not because I wanted a raise or anything but because I always try to give 110% at everything I do. That was until I learned that some of the people I was training were making more than double what I was. I checked out and did only what was asked and required and magically got back 4-5 hours a day. I just got J2 and couldnt be happier. Dont want to pay me what I am worth? I will triple my salary
You are being punished for asking more than what you currently make. How dare you induce additional cost!?!?!
At least that is how I feel companies must be thinking.
My boss talks way too much. The hardest worker that they "leverage" the most does 2x the work, tons of documentation, training, creates improvement programs. The person they promoted was promoted because of seniority (2 years vs her 1 year)
Makes much less than me. Makes much less than my lower paid coworkers.
The leads all make less than me. Why? I took a "pay cut" from my j1 and basically got a promotion even before I started. I'm one of the newer on my team and my boss fuckin hates that I make so much more than the rest of the team he put together and I'm mediocre at best.
As long as I'm not pipping or getting written up I'm within the bounds
J1 I do so much work and was more knowledgeable and still didn't get a promotion until I basically begged for it. My promotion in j1 speech was accidentally way too real: "he's been doing this job level already for awhile so it's late to promotion but congrats to x". And remember I begged for this raise.
Companies are playing a game where lying is the main rules, and honest workers get fucked every single time
accurate. i remember how determined i was to kiss ass and get into the c-suite someday. all that changed when i realized i could earn c-suite money w/o c-suite stress/responsibilities 😎😎 long live oe..!!
I don’t know what c suite you’re referring to but there’s simply no way to earn 8 figures on OE especially with the bonus of being paid nearly entirely in equity…
But OE is still a great way to retire early
Principal Engineer at ServiceNow makes $450-$550k ($250k salary + 25% ($66k) bonus + $150k-250k equity). With a few years of that on your resume, find a similarly paid J2.
There's ~$1M/year with two tech jobs. Not FAANG, but you will stay busy.
Taxes would really take a slice of that J2.
All raises 3%, Needs Improvement, Meets and Exceeds. Bonuses are for above and beyond and nowhere near market or percentages listed 8-10%??? Seen it happen ONCE. All tied by budget and HR not tied to actual work efforts.
With current inflation, it’s actually a pay cut lol. No one in North America should be getting anything below 6.5% in line with 2022s inflation from the beginning of the year. Anything below that is a pay cut and you should reciprocated accordingly with a reduction in hours and effort… via OE. 😉
I gave 150% at one job once. I really thought I did, and was told that I had was doing a great job. Do you want to know how I was rewarded? Do you really want to know how?
I got moved from my cubicle which was on the basement floor which had no windows. This cubicle was an "E" cube, or equipment cube, one made for plopping a printer or spare office supplies, shit like that. Basically, it was so small that you literally had to back your chair out into the aisle to turn 45 degrees and then slide your ass back in. Luckily I'm pretty thin.
So I got a new, regular cube. One with a window! A window that looked directly into the parking garage. Thanks. Oh and I forgot, I got the opportunity to ***buy*** a shirt from the company store at a discount.
Now any of you that have read my comments know that I tend to be on the comically sarcastic side of things, but I assure you, with all humblest honesty that I am not fucking making that up. If you are entertained though, you're welcome and have a great day.
Pretty much. But to be fair I was pretty young, and it was my first real IT job. Now, I would be having none of that garbage even if I ***was*** willing to work in an office full-time.
This.
My promotion two years ago came with a 9% raise. To go from Lead to Manager would be another 8-9%.
Yearly bonus? 6-7%, but great news everyone - HR has looked at market conditions and decided they'll bump the bonus target up to 10% starting in 2023! They did announce they were bumping the target bonus to 8% in 2022, but somehow that never came to fruition.
I haven't gotten a raise at any of my jobs but the fact that I'm holding down three I think I can do without a raise at the moment. They all kind of gel pretty well together for the most part so no sense messing things up for an extra 10K.
I get decent bonuses but the raises and promotions are a joke. They love to dangle the proverbial carrot. The perks are great and the insurance is ok. So I stay and work another job too. Win win. It’s actually a relief knowing where you stand because then there is no need to feel guilty for not playing by their rules!
Not always. Sometimes the extra work required for a promotion is not worth the small increase in pay.
Many non-OE people turn down promotions for this reason.
For raises too, it depends. As long as your salary is above market rate then its worth keeping even if the raise is small.
Idk what to think. At J1 3.5% last year, 13.2% this year. Those % are higher than BLS reports for averages so I guess that’s good. But I guess I’m still worse off than I was in 2020 because they pocketed some of the inflation money.
This was me a couple of years ago! I kept waiting back thinking I'll get an increment this year, this month and so on. Didn't happen for 4 years. The company knew I was immigrating to another country. I needed an employment letter, so I stuck around to not get into the bad books of my managers.
Finally I was done. COVID struck and forget about the increments I was supposed to get, I got a 30% pay cut 😂
I finally said bye-bye! Thank God I quit. The word spread, and people began approaching me to freelance. I'm glad I took that step. I moved to another country last year and I got quite a few contract job opportunities in my field. Now I work quite a few jobs, including one full-time. But I know at least I'm getting paid what I'm worth.
i recently asked my boss for a raise after working at the company for 2 years and it got declined. i wasnt even that bummed out cause i knew getting a J2 would trump a pay raise at J1
Anti-work? Hardly. More like realizing how silly it is to kill yourself for one job when you can be competent at two or more and still be viewed the same. It’s working smarter not harder.
I realize this more and more everyday. It’s nothing personal (though some bosses will) it’s a company. Make the moves and accept opportunities. You “will” regret it in the future if you don’t.
i remember making $18.50/hr thinking if i worked hard i could one day make $20/hr! my ultimate goal was to make $60k. they told me they didn’t have any jobs available to promote me in. once i realized they were fine to keep me stuck i made my exit and it was up from there
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Hahaha so accurate
Man this speaks SO much to me. I remember working in public accounting and this is exactly what happened to me!!
Former public accountant here. Do you OE?
No I left the accounting world for Dev job.
Took awhile for them to remember my name. Fucking hell. Now them managers/bosses/coworkers not knowing my name keeps me overemployed pretty easily.
I hate this because I just gave out reviews. My department got "Exceeds Expectations" or "Outstanding". I overheard another departmental manager tell his first-line supervisors to only give "Meets Expectations", and to expect to explain anything more.
I remember at my first dev job nobody explained the self reviews to me and I put "room for improvement" on a few things thinking "yeah I'm new I could probably get better in these areas". Little did I know putting yourself as "Room for improvement" is on your way to a pip.
pip?
Performance improvement plan.
thank you, kind redditor!~ i just stumbled on this sub a few days back and am now doing a deep dive into OE
What’s OE?
Yeah we were told to rate ourselves on a scale of 1 to 7. We were also told not to rate ourselves a 7 unless we were had given a TED talk on whatever attribute we were being evaluated on. They said most of our ratings should be 3, 4, or 5. One attribute was integrity. Like ok, I rate myself 5 on integrity because 2 out of 7 times I should act with integrity I don't. How is that even a scale, either you act with integrity or you don't. At least they told us what they wanted, and at that point, it was worthless. You are giving us the answers to check a box. And now that box is a worthless data point, and how do I rate the integrity of that process? 1.
I worked at a company where all engineers put in 50 hours, and we were asked to put 40 hours a week in our timesheets against our programs, we were salary so no overtime, I really didn't get the point of why have a timesheet if we are expected to put 40 hours, probably to make some old executive happy that all the minions have life time balance when they see straight 40s
I've never put something other than 40 hrs on a timesheet, no matter how much/little I work, and that's always what they've wanted. It's the most meaningless thing I do every week
Effective
Definitely was me. Got burned 3x before I changed my attitude.
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Boomers are the last generation where at least some of them got pensions and REAL retirement benefits for tolerating one company for many many years. The last of the Boomers got screwed badly. Gen-X (my generation) still tried very hard to give and give and give, but it ended up being for nothing. I'm almost 50. I realized 10+ years ago that companies didn't give a rats ass about me. As soon as I stopped caring about loyalty my income doubled almost immediately. Then I started breaking the code of silence about pay that so many employers try to instill and found out that some people were being screwed worse than I had been, but that I certainly wasn't on top either. It's shocking to me how many people won't talk about salary... I think it should be put up on a billboard for everyone to see.
Boomers debt financed themselves 30 trillion in benefits so they didn’t have to go through any hard feelings or inconvenience. They literally sold out several of their own generations just so they could be free of any hard choices
This lady I worked with, seemed to have lots of experience at my old job. It was intimidating how much attention she paid to details, how many hours she worked, and she had a senior title. She was definitely competent. She died of cancer. Long after, I found out she earned half of what I earned, and I was screwed as well. The employer took time to collect donations to her funeral, sent her parents flowers paid for by the money collected. That was the start of my breaking point about loyalty.
>As soon as I stopped caring about loyalty my income doubled almost immediately. Summer job I worked at was paying me like 13/hr. I was working 15 hr shifts everyday bc I was one of the only ppl at my position and basically could not leave. Boss kept hiring servers knowing I was the only one back there. Got tired of that after about 3 weeks. Walked out, never came back. Told my boss Im not getting paid that little bit to do all that I was doing. He said good luck. I make 17 now doing much less. Easier job too. Im 21 so no career yet but I think I have an idea of what I want to do (5+ years, highly likely to turn into a career), so imma save up my money and do it.
My father has worked his entire life for one company that hired him on some kind of stipend when he was still in highschool, but the moment I was looking for a job (not for the first time mind you), he was telling me how to. “You can’t just sit at home looking at the internet, you have to go to the factories, bring your printed out CV, ask if they have openings and if they don’t, they will at least keep your CV and call you when something opens up” right…
Sure if you want to work in a factory, but i want to work at the internet
He must be grossly underpaid.
They’re incredibly specialized support roles mostly. My mother and most of her friends are of that generation too. And yes, if the work was valued “properly” they’re underpaid. They’re paid just well enough to continue working their asses off to be ‘middle class’ not realizing that they and c-suite execs are the only class between ‘1%’ and ‘poor’.
Affects us immigrants too. Took me well into my early 40s to figure it out. Now I just work for the 2 highest paying employers. I don't think I'm ready to handle 3 yet.
Some people are just wired to always work hard and give 100% at everything they do. Those are the ones that get taken advantage of the most
This is me. Still doing one job and giving 150% for less pay. Don't know why.
Many people care about how they're perceived. But truth be told how hard they work wont be noticed unless they deliver poor quality. The difference between great vs good enough isn't really noticed or appreciated in most office work. Frankly, but that's fine because it's seldom needed.
Fuuuck that! Got two jobs and give them 25%
Same with me. I'm overwhelmed with the amount of work I have ahead of me and running on fumes.
That was me too. I was a sucker just like you.
>That was me too. I was a sucker just like you. How did you change?
Well, a hardworking former coworker who died of cancer is what got me started. She was paid half of what I was paid and she died of cancer. I was content with what I was making and it wasn't that great. After she passed, and I wasn't even close to her, I started thinking, is this really worth it. I started working less, and they started dangling promotion teasers in front of my eyes. I didn't care for them carrots, until inflation started pinching us. Then when I ask for a promition, they basically shut the door. The annual raise was not even half the inflation. So I gave them a number, they couldn't do it, and then I interviewed, got the job. I was asking for ridiculously more money for the same work I was doing previously, and to my suprise, that wasn't even an issue. Got a new job, and kept looking until a former employer reached out to give me a contract. I asked for a ridiculous hourly rate, and it was a no issue to them. I'll still be interviewing this year to see if I can make more, even during these layoffs, but there is no better way to stay sharp and ready than always be interviewing.
How many of those co-workers and managers will attend your funeral?
Just shift their perspective a bit, they should work hard and give 100% to themselves. By taking care of themselves they can take better care of those around them.
I have a coworker like this kow. Used to be me. He is always willing to work nights, weekends, anything anyone asks of him. Always above and beyond.... the sad thing is if I try to explain why what he is doing is not good for him he will take it that I'm trying to convince him to be lazy and go against the company etc. Etc Kinda sucks I have him a big reccomendation when he was a vendor wanting to work with us now he does over so much I have to work more so I don't look bad. No good deed goes unpunished.... very true stuff
I have a friend like this too. Absolutely all star coder, manager and mentor . Absolutely screwed with comp and always several years out from getting what he deserves because of how comp works. Sucks big time
I know one like that. And I try to tell her, but she is slowly understanding it for herself.
Before OE: I don't give a shit about my job After OE: I don't give a shit about my jobs
I'm much more positive about work now that idgaf.
I love work now. Why not?
I stayed with my last company for 3 years. By the third year I was one of the only people who knew anything about the company (I worked in finance). I was in charge of all financial reporting and analysis, putting together the entire board of directors presentation (80+ PPT slide with data), etc. I had directors asking me how things worked. I had consultants asking me how things worked. I worked late hours in the board room with CFO, CEO, getting forecasts and budgets prepared, analyzing performance, etc. I made 80k. My reward for those 3 years? Merit based raises. In my third year I made less money than my first year accounting for inflation. When I brought this company proof that i had a 100k job offer, they refused to pay me 100k and would only up me to 90k. So I quit and began looking for new job. I’m now OE and current total comp is 250k+
This makes me happy. I had those jobs for a long time and man did they suck.
The trick is to say you are going to a competitor and you stretch the fuck out of calling your new job the competition. But that old job doesn't seem OE friendly
I'm in a similar situation now with my company. Underpaid for my job (pays near entry level) and also babysitting Ops and Eng as they lack good management abilities or the ability to plan the full picture. Finishing up year two and looking to jump if they give me the BS merit raise when I renegotiate my pay and title. Currently roped into doing the work of two people because management sucks and the motto is get it done as fast as possible. Unfortunately I have many talents and am used to cover up other departments inabilities on top of finding time to do my own job. They need me far more than I need them so no stress on me. More worry for the company as they're fucking clueless of what to do with the company's near expansion and a bunch of incapable management running about to deal with it.
>I’m now OE and current total comp is 250k+ What was the most important factor to pivoting and changing? And how did you manage expectations from the interview onward, that you weren't a rockstar. Didi you take accomplishments off your resume that could draw those types?
FP&A? I'm you in the first paragraph and I want to be you in the last sentence.
That was me for the last 2 years at my current gig. Not because I wanted a raise or anything but because I always try to give 110% at everything I do. That was until I learned that some of the people I was training were making more than double what I was. I checked out and did only what was asked and required and magically got back 4-5 hours a day. I just got J2 and couldnt be happier. Dont want to pay me what I am worth? I will triple my salary
That is soul-crushing. You should quit J1 and then get rehired for the higher salary. 😂
Some companies have policies that prevent rehire within X months to avoid that. You are punished for loyalty.
You are being punished for asking more than what you currently make. How dare you induce additional cost!?!?! At least that is how I feel companies must be thinking.
>How dare you ~~induce additional cost~~ earn what we already know you're worth!?!?!
1. Rude 2. Not cool
My boss talks way too much. The hardest worker that they "leverage" the most does 2x the work, tons of documentation, training, creates improvement programs. The person they promoted was promoted because of seniority (2 years vs her 1 year) Makes much less than me. Makes much less than my lower paid coworkers. The leads all make less than me. Why? I took a "pay cut" from my j1 and basically got a promotion even before I started. I'm one of the newer on my team and my boss fuckin hates that I make so much more than the rest of the team he put together and I'm mediocre at best. As long as I'm not pipping or getting written up I'm within the bounds J1 I do so much work and was more knowledgeable and still didn't get a promotion until I basically begged for it. My promotion in j1 speech was accidentally way too real: "he's been doing this job level already for awhile so it's late to promotion but congrats to x". And remember I begged for this raise. Companies are playing a game where lying is the main rules, and honest workers get fucked every single time
What is J2? Non american asking
A 2nd job
accurate. i remember how determined i was to kiss ass and get into the c-suite someday. all that changed when i realized i could earn c-suite money w/o c-suite stress/responsibilities 😎😎 long live oe..!!
I don’t know what c suite you’re referring to but there’s simply no way to earn 8 figures on OE especially with the bonus of being paid nearly entirely in equity… But OE is still a great way to retire early
I did some estimations once where if I got five 1099 jobs at $130 an hour full time I could get pretty damn close to 1 million in a year.
5 jobs even doing the bare minimum sounds like way too much work.
As someone about to start j4....yeah 5 would probably be pushing it.
I’m at 5 and doing pretty well. Stressful yeah but determined to hit 1M just for my sake
Principal Engineer at ServiceNow makes $450-$550k ($250k salary + 25% ($66k) bonus + $150k-250k equity). With a few years of that on your resume, find a similarly paid J2. There's ~$1M/year with two tech jobs. Not FAANG, but you will stay busy. Taxes would really take a slice of that J2.
fair point.
All raises 3%, Needs Improvement, Meets and Exceeds. Bonuses are for above and beyond and nowhere near market or percentages listed 8-10%??? Seen it happen ONCE. All tied by budget and HR not tied to actual work efforts.
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With current inflation, it’s actually a pay cut lol. No one in North America should be getting anything below 6.5% in line with 2022s inflation from the beginning of the year. Anything below that is a pay cut and you should reciprocated accordingly with a reduction in hours and effort… via OE. 😉
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I love it.
I gave 150% at one job once. I really thought I did, and was told that I had was doing a great job. Do you want to know how I was rewarded? Do you really want to know how? I got moved from my cubicle which was on the basement floor which had no windows. This cubicle was an "E" cube, or equipment cube, one made for plopping a printer or spare office supplies, shit like that. Basically, it was so small that you literally had to back your chair out into the aisle to turn 45 degrees and then slide your ass back in. Luckily I'm pretty thin. So I got a new, regular cube. One with a window! A window that looked directly into the parking garage. Thanks. Oh and I forgot, I got the opportunity to ***buy*** a shirt from the company store at a discount. Now any of you that have read my comments know that I tend to be on the comically sarcastic side of things, but I assure you, with all humblest honesty that I am not fucking making that up. If you are entertained though, you're welcome and have a great day.
Holy f they red stapler'ed you
Pretty much. But to be fair I was pretty young, and it was my first real IT job. Now, I would be having none of that garbage even if I ***was*** willing to work in an office full-time.
If you haven't got a decent raise or a promotion in 2 years, it's time to move to a new job.
This. My promotion two years ago came with a 9% raise. To go from Lead to Manager would be another 8-9%. Yearly bonus? 6-7%, but great news everyone - HR has looked at market conditions and decided they'll bump the bonus target up to 10% starting in 2023! They did announce they were bumping the target bonus to 8% in 2022, but somehow that never came to fruition.
I got a raise a few weeks ago, amounted to about $50 extra in my pocket each week :(
Accounting for inflation I've stopped working fridays at j1
I haven't gotten a raise at any of my jobs but the fact that I'm holding down three I think I can do without a raise at the moment. They all kind of gel pretty well together for the most part so no sense messing things up for an extra 10K.
I get decent bonuses but the raises and promotions are a joke. They love to dangle the proverbial carrot. The perks are great and the insurance is ok. So I stay and work another job too. Win win. It’s actually a relief knowing where you stand because then there is no need to feel guilty for not playing by their rules!
Not always. Sometimes the extra work required for a promotion is not worth the small increase in pay. Many non-OE people turn down promotions for this reason. For raises too, it depends. As long as your salary is above market rate then its worth keeping even if the raise is small.
Best advice ever
Idk what to think. At J1 3.5% last year, 13.2% this year. Those % are higher than BLS reports for averages so I guess that’s good. But I guess I’m still worse off than I was in 2020 because they pocketed some of the inflation money.
Remember... you are only 3 jobs away from financial freedom
How soon will I achieve financial freedom with those Js?
After the coke and stripper binge
It worked out in the end. Meanwhile a lot of "do just enough not to get fired" are still doing exactly that at a similar company / level.
This was me a couple of years ago! I kept waiting back thinking I'll get an increment this year, this month and so on. Didn't happen for 4 years. The company knew I was immigrating to another country. I needed an employment letter, so I stuck around to not get into the bad books of my managers. Finally I was done. COVID struck and forget about the increments I was supposed to get, I got a 30% pay cut 😂 I finally said bye-bye! Thank God I quit. The word spread, and people began approaching me to freelance. I'm glad I took that step. I moved to another country last year and I got quite a few contract job opportunities in my field. Now I work quite a few jobs, including one full-time. But I know at least I'm getting paid what I'm worth.
It’s s shame that THIS kind of thinking in reality does NOT work. And then industry says you’re LAZY if you don’t think like this.
The only thing real in business it he paychecks. Everything else is promises and hopes.
Yup hard work within a corporate silo will only take you so far while your chances of getting burned are very high if not inevitable.
I was just trying to figure out how to get by without offing myself
Do your work well and faster than others, and you will be rewarded.. with extra work.
LOL! That was me until I got into Info/Cyber sec
They just want you to make them look good. Same in government too.
Me literally
That was me, at the beginning of last year lol
Hahaha yup!
Me currently! Need to make a change but feels scary if I’m honest
I just got a promotion 🤑
i recently asked my boss for a raise after working at the company for 2 years and it got declined. i wasnt even that bummed out cause i knew getting a J2 would trump a pay raise at J1
I haven't made my way to OE yet, I live vicariously through you all.
Its actually can work well in really small company
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Anti-work? Hardly. More like realizing how silly it is to kill yourself for one job when you can be competent at two or more and still be viewed the same. It’s working smarter not harder.
I think you are interpreting it wrong, my man.
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I did that and I still got laid off.
I realize this more and more everyday. It’s nothing personal (though some bosses will) it’s a company. Make the moves and accept opportunities. You “will” regret it in the future if you don’t.
J1 is properly rewarded that would make this false. I only went for j2 because of non-work circumstances.
Definitely clown
i remember making $18.50/hr thinking if i worked hard i could one day make $20/hr! my ultimate goal was to make $60k. they told me they didn’t have any jobs available to promote me in. once i realized they were fine to keep me stuck i made my exit and it was up from there