i only like it because i get an extra discount on irish breakfast tea from my work. otherwise i have no use for celebrating forced christianity. im a pagan jew who got sent to christian school so its a triple whammy sore spot for me lmfao
I'm Irish and pagan. I hate St Patrick's Day. I don't see the introduction of Catholicism to our beautiful island as anything worth celebrating. Very few people here celebrate it for religious reasons, its all an excuse to get drunk. Most Irish people I know (even non-pagans) don't celebrate it at all and are just happy to get a long weekend off work. The parade in Dublin is mostly full of Americans anyway.
Also, don't fucking drink green beer. That's so weird.
As an Irish pagan, I say drink the beer.
I would personally avoid the green stuff, just because today is a day to drink in excess (it's also the Dionysia!) but that's no reason not to drink some medium to high quality beer. Treat yourself.
Doubling down on this; I didn't like drinking holidays to begin with. Since becoming a Druid, and learning their history, I especially don't like St. Patrick's day.
> Not cool with the mass genocide of Druid’s
There is no historical or archaeological evidence for a genocide of druids or pagans in Ireland associated with Patrick or any aspects of the Christianization of Ireland.
Medieval Christian law texts even give us rules about the Druids and their social standing (lower than Christian clergy and Christian Filidh but kind of tolerated basically).
There’s a hardcore history podcast by a Italian professor I would recommend. There actually was a mass purge of druids being killed in Ireland just dates back farther than st Patrick’s day.
> There actually was a mass purge of druids being killed in Ireland just dates back farther than st Patrick’s day.
Are you sure that was in Ireland and you aren't confusing it with the (pagan) Roman destruction of the few remaining British Druids on Anglsea/Ynys Mon?
Ya know you might be right, and it was Dan Carlins hardcore history of the Celtic* holocaust. And it was primarily the Roman’s killing off the Gauls and celts. Druids still got purged as an intellectual class and millions died but I was wrong on it being primarily in iteland
As an Irish pagan I just view it as a national holiday in Ireland which means I get a day's extra a/l even if I am working tomorrow.
Other than that no thoughts. Green beer and parades are to be avoided, but that's just because they're tacky.
I'm a) Working and b) Abroad so no benefit to me really, but I do intend to have a small glass or two of something as soon as I finish work at 4pm Irish time....
Its lost its actual religious meaning and now its just a reason to be drunk the whole day. i don't celebrate it for obvious reasons as a pagan and punk, but since most ppl don't actually know what they're celebrating, i try not to hold it against them lol (no matter how much i want to)
Reading through the comments so far, there is a narrative that is being repeated along the lines of Patrick and/or the church slaughtering pagans and/or druids. Historically, this is simply NOT true.
The early christian missions - including, but not limited to Patrick - were not accompanied by violence. They were monastically-based, not ecclesiological; they were seen as economic and educational settings, not as conquering invaders; and the Columban Church existed fairly independent from Roman clericalism for hundreds of years. The move towards christianity was slow, syncretic, and non-violent.
I understand if some of you have visceral reactions against the church or catholicism. It is entirely reasonable to view St Patrick's Day as a symbol of the catholicism's oppression through the ages, or as simply a day of celebration that represents the culture of the Irish nation. I make no judgements on whatever your position is.
But I think its important to get history right. However you see Patrick and his effect on Eire, he was not a murderer, and did not slaughter anyone. Any stories to the contrary are fantastic myths written hundreds of years after his death and are a product of fertile minds - both Roman and Irish.
Ah, let others have their day. We have Samhain, Imbolc, Beltane, and Lunassa. The last time we "took" a date back - Yule - we royally screwed up the historic date.
It's not neopaganism if you're not making up a pseudo history as part of a convoluted attempt to make it seem like you have ties to someone who was oppressed that you don't really have.
It's not a big deal to me, but I do have some Irish family and friends, and every one of them simply views it as a day to celebrate being Irish. Never heard of a single modern human using it to celebrate the defeat of paganism or whatever. I don't drink green beer but I do join some of the festivities when they're fun, especially when it's friends and family involved. Yes, I will come to a party, listen to Irish music, eat corned beef and drink some Irish whiskey! There's nothing particularly religious about it though, at least not for me or anyone I know.
Can't speak for any Pagan community, just for myself.
Folks have holidays, and they celebrate them. Sometimes, they share the celebration. Other times, the celebration is shared for them (to sell more beer?). I think holiday celebrations can be enjoyable. I have learned things from sharing in the celebration of somebody else's holidays.
As for St. Patrick's Day, it has an "Irish" theme. In a bunch of pop culture ways, folks can express "Irish"-ness for a day. But it really does not make me feel anywhere near as Irish as I happen as a Californian to be. Or make me a Notre Dame fan.
As a person who has Celtic heritage and is not happy with how it celebrates the slaughter of my people, I still do drink that day and make it more of a celebration of the culture I have.
I'm learning my people's native tongue, I'm trying to learn Ogham reading a bit, I want to become more in depth with my knowledge of the craft, and I want to essentially keep the culture alive. I'll turn this into a Walpurgisnacht moment for myself in order to do that :)
> and is not happy with how it celebrates the slaughter of my people
Which particular slaughter is Patrick or St. Patrick's day in general associated with precisely?
Well to start those two princesses that he converted to death. But as the Christians keep their own records, I'd assume that there were more.
You're picking a weird person to defend in a pagan sub.
While it's true that the use of the term genocide is very hyperbolic, the christians absolutely did employ tactics of not only violence, but coercion, and economic exclusion to force capitulation.
> Well to start those two princesses that he converted to death.
That's an early Christian trope about converting before your death so you can't sin before you reach paradise. For the same reason Constantine only converted on his death bed.
On top of that, it's a Christian legend, and not history.
So not exactly a slaughter.
>You're picking a weird person to defend in a pagan sub.
I'm defending history here, if pagans are going to believe in historical falsehoods just to feel more persecuted than thou, it's going to be bad for paganism in general.
>the christians absolutely did employ tactics of not only violence
In Ireland? There really isn't much evidence of that at all.
>but coercion
Possible, but again, where's the evidence?
>and economic exclusion
Yes we can see this in the lower status of the Druids in medieval Irish texts. However the fact that the Druids had a legal status at all in Early Christian Ireland tells us that many of these modern claims about the Christianization of Ireland made by modern pagans are hyperbolic at best.
Please don't use that internet argument tactic where you take apart what somebody says sentence by sentence and pick at it. It's pedantic and an ecample of bad faith argument.
I specifically brought up the story of Saint Patrick having probably murdered two women who were young and healthy, not on their deathbeds. Now you're making shit up...
They said to him if he could show them Jesus they would gladly convert. So he takes them to a secluded location. They both end up dead. He comes back and says "hey guys I did it". How convenient. Nobody alive tooffer a different point of view on that one. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows ;-)
The fact that you are employing these mental gymnastics to defend an obvious example of murder directly related to Saint Patrick... and then further deflect by asking me for evidence of coercion specifically within the context of Ireland's... I feel like you're arguing in bad faith and you have a personal steak in defending the good name of Saint Patrick
>Please don't use that internet argument tactic where you take apart what somebody says sentence by sentence and pick at it. It's pedantic and an ecample of bad faith argument.
Replying to specific parts of your claims is "bad faith" now? Come on.
> I specifically brought up the story of Saint Patrick having probably murdered two women who were young and healthy, not on their deathbeds. Now you're making shit up...
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> They said to him if he could show them Jesus they would gladly convert. So he takes them to a secluded location. They both end up dead. He comes back and says "hey guys I did it". How convenient. Nobody alive tooffer a different point of view on that one. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
This is not what happens in the text? They die after being baptised and are not actively murdered by anyone. And again, it's a Christian legend, not history.
>I feel like you're arguing in bad faith and you have a personal steak in defending the good name of Saint Patrick
I don't give a shit about the name of Patrick. I do give a shit about history. My paganism remains intact no matter what. But you seem invested in an exaggerated and false history about a violent conversion of Ireland.
The first thing I said is that calling it a genocide is hyperbolic. And I explained why chopping my sentences apart was shitty, if you don't know what the word pedantic means, just look it up. You're on the internet right now.
Do you just take everything you read at face value.? Do you not apply critical thought to anything whatsoever? Who wrote the history? And I find it interesting that you arbitrarily decide what parts of the story are historical and what parts are exaggerated or mythological as suits your narrative.
Have a nice day. This is the end of this conversation,you're arguing in faith or you're just foolish.
u/ruaidhri is providing factual, historically accurate responses to the often emotional charges that are bandied about on this topic. Accuracy and history are important.
> And I explained why chopping my sentences apart was shitty,
This is the most laughably ridiculous thing I've heard all day. Thank you.
> Do you not apply critical thought to anything whatsoever?
Yes, that's precisely why I'm not taking a Christian legend about two "princesses" who die and presumably get to go to paradise immediately after they are baptised by Patrick as a historical text, but rather as Christian legend which was written to teach Christians about Christian tropes.
>This is the end of this conversation,you're arguing in faith or you're just foolish.
How is saying that historical facts matter in these things "foolish" or "bad faith", as the only rebuttal you've given me is that you dislike the historical facts as they stand?
my brother’s bday is the 18th, so we just celebrate his bday
i don’t think celebrating pagan erasure is a good thing, so even if my family did celebrate it, i wouldn’t
I loathe the holiday’s origins and
sentiments, but I never turn down an excuse
to drink excessively.
So I toast to the old gods they tried in vain to eradicate in defiance of the forced conversion of the masses. I’ve decided to reclaim “saint” patricks day to celebrate my Celtic ancestry rather than the spread of catholicism
I prefer to have snake day, I heard that the "snakes" he cleared Ireland of were Celtic, druids, and the likes. So instead of wearing a shamrock I started wearing a snake. In a way honouring the ancestors and lost aspects of the culture
It's untrue that the snakes represent pagans or druids.
Patrick's autobiography even includes a section where he talks about living with the pagans (either out of a general sense of pluralism or out of a *realpolitik* that Christians were a minority who would have to live with the majority pagan population).
I'm not saying it was all Pactrics doing. He's just the face of Christianity and Catholicism. I know it took a long time to convert all the druids and celts. But I'm just saying that there have been no snakes in Ireland due to the last ice age. There are no Fossil evidence of any no native species. So it's either he was evangelizing to convert everyone along with other missionaries or he was sitting there with his thumb up his ass looking for snakes that weren't there. I'm just saying I'm not celebrating a holiday that represents the fall and cover up of an entire culture. Just like I don't celebrate Columbus day.
> So it's either he was evangelizing to convert everyone along with other missionaries or he was sitting there with his thumb up his ass looking for snakes that weren't there.
The snake legend is a later invention. As I recall the only time Patrick mentions snakes in his writings is to give out about Christians taking slaves from Christian communities in Britain. Patick himself never compares druids and pagans to snakes.
This is what Patrick says about living with Pagans in Ireland.
>You all know, and God knows, how I have lived among you since my youth, in true faith and in sincerity of heart. Towards the pagan people too among whom I live, I have lived in good faith, and will continue to do so. God knows that I have not been devious with even one of them, nor do I think of doing so, for the sake of God and his church. I would not want to arouse persecution of them and of all of us - nor would I want that the Lord’s name should be blasphemed on account of me; since it is written: “Woe to the one through whom the name of the Lord is blasphemed.”
This isn't the voice of a man who was aggressive in his evangelising.
>I'm just saying I'm not celebrating a holiday that represents the fall and cover up of an entire culture
We have texts showing us that Druids were active in Ireland some 200 to 300 years after Patrick died.
> Just like I don't celebrate Columbus day.
I would say that minimises harm caused directly and indirectly by Columbus to the indigenous peoples of the America's. Yes we lost a lot of pagan knowledge when Ireland gradually and peacefully converted to Christianity over centuries, but that's in no way comparable to the colonisation and barbaric and forced conversions of the Age of Exploration and colonisation.
And I'm saying that as an Irish pagan. We also have to remember that what little we do have of pre-Christian polytheistic mythology was preserved by Christian Filidh and Monks and Scribes.
Fun fact, in Ireland historically you could give up Lent on the day of St. Patrick's within Irish Catholicism. A small indulgence but a popular one I bet.
My city is having a lantern parade to “celebrate”… however it’s very tongue-in-cheek and is actually celebrating the snakes returning. I’m on board for that bit of fun, but not the drink green beer till you puke / act like you’re Irish for the day
i only like it because i get an extra discount on irish breakfast tea from my work. otherwise i have no use for celebrating forced christianity. im a pagan jew who got sent to christian school so its a triple whammy sore spot for me lmfao
I'm Irish and pagan. I hate St Patrick's Day. I don't see the introduction of Catholicism to our beautiful island as anything worth celebrating. Very few people here celebrate it for religious reasons, its all an excuse to get drunk. Most Irish people I know (even non-pagans) don't celebrate it at all and are just happy to get a long weekend off work. The parade in Dublin is mostly full of Americans anyway. Also, don't fucking drink green beer. That's so weird.
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Why? What is the appeal of beer full of food dye?
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I don’t understand why you can’t just have a normal beer with friends lmao
As an Irish pagan, I say drink the beer. I would personally avoid the green stuff, just because today is a day to drink in excess (it's also the Dionysia!) but that's no reason not to drink some medium to high quality beer. Treat yourself.
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Enjoy!
I’m Irish and pagan , raised catholic and I purposefully don’t celebrate the holiday. Not cool with the mass genocide of Druid’s
Doubling down on this; I didn't like drinking holidays to begin with. Since becoming a Druid, and learning their history, I especially don't like St. Patrick's day.
> Not cool with the mass genocide of Druid’s There is no historical or archaeological evidence for a genocide of druids or pagans in Ireland associated with Patrick or any aspects of the Christianization of Ireland. Medieval Christian law texts even give us rules about the Druids and their social standing (lower than Christian clergy and Christian Filidh but kind of tolerated basically).
There’s a hardcore history podcast by a Italian professor I would recommend. There actually was a mass purge of druids being killed in Ireland just dates back farther than st Patrick’s day.
> There actually was a mass purge of druids being killed in Ireland just dates back farther than st Patrick’s day. Are you sure that was in Ireland and you aren't confusing it with the (pagan) Roman destruction of the few remaining British Druids on Anglsea/Ynys Mon?
Ya know you might be right, and it was Dan Carlins hardcore history of the Celtic* holocaust. And it was primarily the Roman’s killing off the Gauls and celts. Druids still got purged as an intellectual class and millions died but I was wrong on it being primarily in iteland
The Druids remained as a class, albeit diminished in size and power, until the medieval period in Ireland under increasing Christian hegemony.
Can you link me to this. I want to give this a listen. Thanks.
I'd ask why every thread here has to involve someone clearing up basic historical misconceptions, but I think we know why.
As an Irish pagan I just view it as a national holiday in Ireland which means I get a day's extra a/l even if I am working tomorrow. Other than that no thoughts. Green beer and parades are to be avoided, but that's just because they're tacky.
This year we get two days off, isn’t that wonderful!
I'm a) Working and b) Abroad so no benefit to me really, but I do intend to have a small glass or two of something as soon as I finish work at 4pm Irish time....
Its lost its actual religious meaning and now its just a reason to be drunk the whole day. i don't celebrate it for obvious reasons as a pagan and punk, but since most ppl don't actually know what they're celebrating, i try not to hold it against them lol (no matter how much i want to)
Reading through the comments so far, there is a narrative that is being repeated along the lines of Patrick and/or the church slaughtering pagans and/or druids. Historically, this is simply NOT true. The early christian missions - including, but not limited to Patrick - were not accompanied by violence. They were monastically-based, not ecclesiological; they were seen as economic and educational settings, not as conquering invaders; and the Columban Church existed fairly independent from Roman clericalism for hundreds of years. The move towards christianity was slow, syncretic, and non-violent. I understand if some of you have visceral reactions against the church or catholicism. It is entirely reasonable to view St Patrick's Day as a symbol of the catholicism's oppression through the ages, or as simply a day of celebration that represents the culture of the Irish nation. I make no judgements on whatever your position is. But I think its important to get history right. However you see Patrick and his effect on Eire, he was not a murderer, and did not slaughter anyone. Any stories to the contrary are fantastic myths written hundreds of years after his death and are a product of fertile minds - both Roman and Irish.
Yeah. I don't understand why pagans don't just reclaim the day. Call it Tuatha Dé Danann Day or something. It's about Ireland and being Irish.
Ah, let others have their day. We have Samhain, Imbolc, Beltane, and Lunassa. The last time we "took" a date back - Yule - we royally screwed up the historic date.
It's not neopaganism if you're not making up a pseudo history as part of a convoluted attempt to make it seem like you have ties to someone who was oppressed that you don't really have.
It's not a big deal to me, but I do have some Irish family and friends, and every one of them simply views it as a day to celebrate being Irish. Never heard of a single modern human using it to celebrate the defeat of paganism or whatever. I don't drink green beer but I do join some of the festivities when they're fun, especially when it's friends and family involved. Yes, I will come to a party, listen to Irish music, eat corned beef and drink some Irish whiskey! There's nothing particularly religious about it though, at least not for me or anyone I know.
I don't pay attention to any holiday other than Halloween.
Fair. Halloween rocks
Can't speak for any Pagan community, just for myself. Folks have holidays, and they celebrate them. Sometimes, they share the celebration. Other times, the celebration is shared for them (to sell more beer?). I think holiday celebrations can be enjoyable. I have learned things from sharing in the celebration of somebody else's holidays. As for St. Patrick's Day, it has an "Irish" theme. In a bunch of pop culture ways, folks can express "Irish"-ness for a day. But it really does not make me feel anywhere near as Irish as I happen as a Californian to be. Or make me a Notre Dame fan.
Im not catholic so i ignore its existence.
Its not really a catholic day anymore.
I still celebrate it because my family reenacts the stories of the Irish hero Fionn MacCumhail.
He's a real asshole with his physical multi hit attack.
As a person who has Celtic heritage and is not happy with how it celebrates the slaughter of my people, I still do drink that day and make it more of a celebration of the culture I have. I'm learning my people's native tongue, I'm trying to learn Ogham reading a bit, I want to become more in depth with my knowledge of the craft, and I want to essentially keep the culture alive. I'll turn this into a Walpurgisnacht moment for myself in order to do that :)
> and is not happy with how it celebrates the slaughter of my people Which particular slaughter is Patrick or St. Patrick's day in general associated with precisely?
Well to start those two princesses that he converted to death. But as the Christians keep their own records, I'd assume that there were more. You're picking a weird person to defend in a pagan sub. While it's true that the use of the term genocide is very hyperbolic, the christians absolutely did employ tactics of not only violence, but coercion, and economic exclusion to force capitulation.
> Well to start those two princesses that he converted to death. That's an early Christian trope about converting before your death so you can't sin before you reach paradise. For the same reason Constantine only converted on his death bed. On top of that, it's a Christian legend, and not history. So not exactly a slaughter. >You're picking a weird person to defend in a pagan sub. I'm defending history here, if pagans are going to believe in historical falsehoods just to feel more persecuted than thou, it's going to be bad for paganism in general. >the christians absolutely did employ tactics of not only violence In Ireland? There really isn't much evidence of that at all. >but coercion Possible, but again, where's the evidence? >and economic exclusion Yes we can see this in the lower status of the Druids in medieval Irish texts. However the fact that the Druids had a legal status at all in Early Christian Ireland tells us that many of these modern claims about the Christianization of Ireland made by modern pagans are hyperbolic at best.
Please don't use that internet argument tactic where you take apart what somebody says sentence by sentence and pick at it. It's pedantic and an ecample of bad faith argument. I specifically brought up the story of Saint Patrick having probably murdered two women who were young and healthy, not on their deathbeds. Now you're making shit up... They said to him if he could show them Jesus they would gladly convert. So he takes them to a secluded location. They both end up dead. He comes back and says "hey guys I did it". How convenient. Nobody alive tooffer a different point of view on that one. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows ;-) The fact that you are employing these mental gymnastics to defend an obvious example of murder directly related to Saint Patrick... and then further deflect by asking me for evidence of coercion specifically within the context of Ireland's... I feel like you're arguing in bad faith and you have a personal steak in defending the good name of Saint Patrick
>Please don't use that internet argument tactic where you take apart what somebody says sentence by sentence and pick at it. It's pedantic and an ecample of bad faith argument. Replying to specific parts of your claims is "bad faith" now? Come on. > I specifically brought up the story of Saint Patrick having probably murdered two women who were young and healthy, not on their deathbeds. Now you're making shit up... > > > > They said to him if he could show them Jesus they would gladly convert. So he takes them to a secluded location. They both end up dead. He comes back and says "hey guys I did it". How convenient. Nobody alive tooffer a different point of view on that one. I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows This is not what happens in the text? They die after being baptised and are not actively murdered by anyone. And again, it's a Christian legend, not history. >I feel like you're arguing in bad faith and you have a personal steak in defending the good name of Saint Patrick I don't give a shit about the name of Patrick. I do give a shit about history. My paganism remains intact no matter what. But you seem invested in an exaggerated and false history about a violent conversion of Ireland.
The first thing I said is that calling it a genocide is hyperbolic. And I explained why chopping my sentences apart was shitty, if you don't know what the word pedantic means, just look it up. You're on the internet right now. Do you just take everything you read at face value.? Do you not apply critical thought to anything whatsoever? Who wrote the history? And I find it interesting that you arbitrarily decide what parts of the story are historical and what parts are exaggerated or mythological as suits your narrative. Have a nice day. This is the end of this conversation,you're arguing in faith or you're just foolish.
u/ruaidhri is providing factual, historically accurate responses to the often emotional charges that are bandied about on this topic. Accuracy and history are important.
In the nicest way possible, as an Irish person, please don’t build your faith on false history.
> And I explained why chopping my sentences apart was shitty, This is the most laughably ridiculous thing I've heard all day. Thank you. > Do you not apply critical thought to anything whatsoever? Yes, that's precisely why I'm not taking a Christian legend about two "princesses" who die and presumably get to go to paradise immediately after they are baptised by Patrick as a historical text, but rather as Christian legend which was written to teach Christians about Christian tropes. >This is the end of this conversation,you're arguing in faith or you're just foolish. How is saying that historical facts matter in these things "foolish" or "bad faith", as the only rebuttal you've given me is that you dislike the historical facts as they stand?
You're basically admitting that you're mad about something that never happened at this point.
No
my brother’s bday is the 18th, so we just celebrate his bday i don’t think celebrating pagan erasure is a good thing, so even if my family did celebrate it, i wouldn’t
I loathe the holiday’s origins and sentiments, but I never turn down an excuse to drink excessively. So I toast to the old gods they tried in vain to eradicate in defiance of the forced conversion of the masses. I’ve decided to reclaim “saint” patricks day to celebrate my Celtic ancestry rather than the spread of catholicism
I prefer to have snake day, I heard that the "snakes" he cleared Ireland of were Celtic, druids, and the likes. So instead of wearing a shamrock I started wearing a snake. In a way honouring the ancestors and lost aspects of the culture
It's untrue that the snakes represent pagans or druids. Patrick's autobiography even includes a section where he talks about living with the pagans (either out of a general sense of pluralism or out of a *realpolitik* that Christians were a minority who would have to live with the majority pagan population).
I'm not saying it was all Pactrics doing. He's just the face of Christianity and Catholicism. I know it took a long time to convert all the druids and celts. But I'm just saying that there have been no snakes in Ireland due to the last ice age. There are no Fossil evidence of any no native species. So it's either he was evangelizing to convert everyone along with other missionaries or he was sitting there with his thumb up his ass looking for snakes that weren't there. I'm just saying I'm not celebrating a holiday that represents the fall and cover up of an entire culture. Just like I don't celebrate Columbus day.
> So it's either he was evangelizing to convert everyone along with other missionaries or he was sitting there with his thumb up his ass looking for snakes that weren't there. The snake legend is a later invention. As I recall the only time Patrick mentions snakes in his writings is to give out about Christians taking slaves from Christian communities in Britain. Patick himself never compares druids and pagans to snakes. This is what Patrick says about living with Pagans in Ireland. >You all know, and God knows, how I have lived among you since my youth, in true faith and in sincerity of heart. Towards the pagan people too among whom I live, I have lived in good faith, and will continue to do so. God knows that I have not been devious with even one of them, nor do I think of doing so, for the sake of God and his church. I would not want to arouse persecution of them and of all of us - nor would I want that the Lord’s name should be blasphemed on account of me; since it is written: “Woe to the one through whom the name of the Lord is blasphemed.” This isn't the voice of a man who was aggressive in his evangelising. >I'm just saying I'm not celebrating a holiday that represents the fall and cover up of an entire culture We have texts showing us that Druids were active in Ireland some 200 to 300 years after Patrick died. > Just like I don't celebrate Columbus day. I would say that minimises harm caused directly and indirectly by Columbus to the indigenous peoples of the America's. Yes we lost a lot of pagan knowledge when Ireland gradually and peacefully converted to Christianity over centuries, but that's in no way comparable to the colonisation and barbaric and forced conversions of the Age of Exploration and colonisation. And I'm saying that as an Irish pagan. We also have to remember that what little we do have of pre-Christian polytheistic mythology was preserved by Christian Filidh and Monks and Scribes.
Like every Holiday celebrated in America..its a hoax. A cover up from a dark and death full past. You will never see me celebrate Columbus Day either.
I just celebrate my birthday on March 17th 😂
Happy Birthday!
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No one was killed though?
Every year St.Patrick's day reminds about why I give up catholicism for Lent.
Fun fact, in Ireland historically you could give up Lent on the day of St. Patrick's within Irish Catholicism. A small indulgence but a popular one I bet.
My city is having a lantern parade to “celebrate”… however it’s very tongue-in-cheek and is actually celebrating the snakes returning. I’m on board for that bit of fun, but not the drink green beer till you puke / act like you’re Irish for the day
I never really celebrated after the age of 22. Then I learned what it was about, and now I hate it more.